System Wars Myths/Arguments That Need to Die - Complete Edition with bonus

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Grenade-V"][This message was deleted at the request of a moderator or administrator]HarlockJC

wow. that's a ban.

See that should not be allowed...Now we all have to see here and wonder what was said.

How about politics in system wars regarding racism, particularly in RE5. Thats something that needs to die. I don't know if it is an offence to talk about stuff like that, but most of the arguments of thread starters on the subject appear to be doing it for a joke so I don't know if they are threads I can post in, as some sound serious.

Basically, its boring and not SW.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Grenade-V"][This message was deleted at the request of a moderator or administrator]Jandurin

wow. that's a ban.

See that should not be allowed...Now we all have to see here and wonder what was said.

It would not have matter has much if he had not of pointed out the fact that he was banned over it....So it makes you wonder what could he have said....

But either way I love number 21

24. Skittles is not the best candy. -no. you're wrong. it is.

Just gained a few points in my book. BTW, though I haven't seen them in stores, they recently re-released Tart and Tangy skittles with the sour powder on the outside. Called Double Sour in cananda. Can't remember the stupid american name.

I think he should have kept his "opinions" regarding the #1,2,3 sales leaders, to himself. It's not part of his job as a moderator to say whether he thinks the Ps3 will end up in the first, second, or third spot this generation.ChiefFreeman

this thread has nothing to do with me being a mod.

I think he should have kept his "opinions" regarding the #1,2,3 sales leaders, to himself. It's not part of his job as a moderator to say whether he thinks the Ps3 will end up in the first, second, or third spot this generation.ChiefFreeman

That's messed up.

Great post but you've sold the Wii short, right? Missing two AA launch games - Rayman and Madden.

I apologize if this has already been noted to you and you do have some reason for not including them, but hopefully you'll understand if I couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread.

Edit: And apparently Mercury Meltdown Revolution is AA as well!?

Great post but you've sold the Wii short, right? Missing two AA launch games - Rayman and Madden.

I apologize if this has already been noted to you and you do have some reason for not including them, but hopefully you'll understand if I couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread.

SwollenFridge

i left out multiplats.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]That wasn't my point that I was arguing. All I was arguing is that it is wrong to count all PC's as gaming machines and adding up their total sales to say they win SW in sales. If people want this rule to apply then the Mobile Phone argument can be presented to them.Jandurin

I think mobile phones can EASILY be counted against handhelds, just no one chooses to... as they would get laughed at. They would technically be correct.

I'm just wondering whether board games are in competition with video games. I'm not really arguing anything, just wandering in and out of threads aimlessly.

# 24 is so biased and unsubtantiated that it's not even funny all the devs agree that starburst>>>>>skittles :roll:cyprus646

You're all nooblets.

Salt > Sugar

Caramel > Fruit candy

Chocolate > Fruit candy

Cake > Pie

[QUOTE="cyprus646"]# 24 is so biased and unsubtantiated that it's not even funny all the devs agree that starburst>>>>>skittles :roll:Jandurin

You're all nooblets.

Salt > Sugar According to people with diabetes :lol:

Caramel > Fruit candy The sales dont lie fruit candy blows Cowmel candy out of the water

Chocolate > Fruit candy Choclate is SOOOOOOOOOOO last gen have fun with your outdated herseys Bar while Im chewing on longer lasting Starburst and gummy worms :lol:

Cake > Pie I agree with that cake does >>>>>>>>>>>pie

Salt > Sugar According to people with diabetes :lol:

Aww, come on now. Kettle Chips > Candy. End of story. Diabetes notwithstanding (which I don't have).

Caramel > Fruit candy The sales dont lie fruit candy blows Cowmel candy out of the water

Sales? Great. Because sales = quality.

Chocolate > Fruit candy Choclate is SOOOOOOOOOOO last gen have fun with your outdated herseys Bar while Im chewing on longer lasting Starburst and gummy worms :lol:

A perfect example of hypocrisy! Suddenly,what you like is being outsold, and now it's "last-gen" or"doesn't count". Because "mine (or yours) is better than the thing that is selling better".

Cake > Pie I agree with that cake does >>>>>>>>>>>pie

Cake ftw!

You are obviously a biased Choclate lover just like casey :roll:cyprus646

[QUOTE="cyprus646"]Salt > Sugar According to people with diabetes :lol:

Aww, come on now. Kettle Chips > Candy. End of story. Diabetes notwithstanding (which I don't have).

Caramel > Fruit candy The sales dont lie fruit candy blows Cowmel candy out of the water

Sales? Great. Because sales = quality.

Chocolate > Fruit candy Choclate is SOOOOOOOOOOO last gen have fun with your outdated herseys Bar while Im chewing on longer lasting Starburst and gummy worms :lol:

A perfect example of hypocrisy! Suddenly,what you like is being outsold, and now it's "last-gen" or"doesn't count". Because "mine (or yours) is better than the thing that is selling better".

Cake > Pie I agree with that cake does >>>>>>>>>>>pie

Cake ftw!

You are obviously a biased Choclate lover just like casey :roll:Jandurin

"yeah choclate is sooooooo last gen (last gen being 100 years ago :lol: ) Gummy candy is the new gen and should e embraced by every one."

Are you calling willy wonka a liar ??

[QUOTE="ChiefFreeman"]I think he should have kept his "opinions" regarding the #1,2,3 sales leaders, to himself. It's not part of his job as a moderator to say whether he thinks the Ps3 will end up in the first, second, or third spot this generation.Jandurin

That's messed up.

You have to admit, whatever his says people will take it as fact or that how it should be. You can't deny he has that influcence on most of the people here.

[QUOTE="cyprus646"]# 24 is so biased and unsubtantiated that it's not even funny all the devs agree that starburst>>>>>skittles :roll:Jandurin

You're all nooblets.

Salt > Sugar

Caramel > Fruit candy

Chocolate > Fruit candy

Cake > Pie

Cake > Pie but Pizza Pie > Cake

Pizza Pie > Cakethew13

I even stated Salt > Sugar, and pizza would fall under salt, I would say. ... it's not just for chips, anymore. :P

You have to admit, whatever his says people will take it as fact or that how it should be. You can't deny he has that influcence on most of the people here.IbukiNinja

We give these people power over our accounts, not our minds and opinions. If someone is willing to sheepishly follow someone because they have a police badge or a moderator tag, that's their problem.

[QUOTE="ChiefFreeman"]I think he should have kept his "opinions" regarding the #1,2,3 sales leaders, to himself. It's not part of his job as a moderator to say whether he thinks the Ps3 will end up in the first, second, or third spot this generation.CaseyWegner

this thread has nothing to do with me being a mod.

Then why is it stickied? It should be left to live on it's own if you are going to create posts like this.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="ChiefFreeman"]I think he should have kept his "opinions" regarding the #1,2,3 sales leaders, to himself. It's not part of his job as a moderator to say whether he thinks the Ps3 will end up in the first, second, or third spot this generation.Bgrngod

this thread has nothing to do with me being a mod.

Then why is it stickied? It should be left to live on it's own if you are going to create posts like this.

read the very first line in this thread.

[QUOTE="IbukiNinja"]You have to admit, whatever his says people will take it as fact or that how it should be. You can't deny he has that influcence on most of the people here.Jandurin

We give these people power over our accounts, not our minds and opinions. If someone is willing to sheepishly follow someone because they have a police badge or a moderator tag, that's their problem.

You speak wisdom my friend, but reality people are easily persuaded by authority figures. I forget the famous psychologist who did the study.

[QUOTE="thew13"]Pizza Pie > CakeJandurin

I even stated Salt > Sugar, and pizza would fall under salt, I would say. ... it's not just for chips, anymore. :P

You have to admit, whatever his says people will take it as fact or that how it should be. You can't deny he has that influcence on most of the people here.IbukiNinja

We give these people power over our accounts, not our minds and opinions. If someone is willing to sheepishly follow someone because they have a police badge or a moderator tag, that's their problem.

very good list, good job!justiceboy13

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="IbukiNinja"]You have to admit, whatever his says people will take it as fact or that how it should be. You can't deny he has that influcence on most of the people here.IbukiNinja

We give these people power over our accounts, not our minds and opinions. If someone is willing to sheepishly follow someone because they have a police badge or a moderator tag, that's their problem.

You speak wisdom my friend, but reality people are easily persuaded by authority figures. I forget the famous psychologist who did the study.

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="ChiefFreeman"]I think he should have kept his "opinions" regarding the #1,2,3 sales leaders, to himself. It's not part of his job as a moderator to say whether he thinks the Ps3 will end up in the first, second, or third spot this generation.CaseyWegner

this thread has nothing to do with me being a mod.

Then why is it stickied? It should be left to live on it's own if you are going to create posts like this.

read the very first line in this thread.

I just don't think it's very professional of a moderator to start a thread like this. It should have been kept in a blog. Just putting in my 2 cents.

I just don't think it's very professional of a moderator to start a thread like this. It should have been kept in a blog. Just putting in my 2 cents.

ChiefFreeman

why is it unprofessional?

[QUOTE="ChiefFreeman"]

I just don't think it's very professional of a moderator to start a thread like this. It should have been kept in a blog. Just putting in my 2 cents.

CaseyWegner

why is it unprofessional?

It's better than what a lot of people post here.

This list kinda makes me wonder what would fanboys do if the PS3, Xbox360, PC gaming (not the PC itself coz we all know whether there are PC games or not we would own one) or Wii tanked in the market. Would they hold parties because their system of choice won / believe the world would stop spinning because their system of choice flopped?

25. CaseyWegner is a Lemming. - no. This is a fallacy. It's mostly fanboys that persist in believing this, he is NOT a lemming.

[spoiler] Uh-oh. The sticky to end all wars? More like the sticky to get 'em all started again. :P [/spoiler]

Jandurin

Lies! He is one.

The Wii appeals to a different market than traditional consoles, this is absolutely impossible to deny no matter how hard the original poster tries. Nintendo has been muscled out of the hardware war by monster companies and that is also a fact. Nintendo just cant afford losing money per console like Sony and MS are doing, period. So hence we have the Wii, a console aimed ALMOST exclusively at casual and untapped non-gamer markets, and thats an OBVIOUS fact that the original poster also denies.

The PS3 made what historically have been "system dooming" choices. Starting with the much criticized price tag and the fact that the price tag is NOT justified at all by the features. The much touted graphic engineisyet to show that it'smore powerful than that of the 360.The only reason that the people like the original poster haven't completely disregarded Sony is ONLY because of the success of the PS2, otherwise it'd be another Jaguar, 3DO or Dreamcast... no effin doubt.

I certainly appreciate the original poster's attitude. He wants to be some sort of peacemaker amongst trolls. The problem is that he is doing it in the "system wars" forum" and that fact just renders his John Lennon impersonation moot.

The Wii appeals to a different market than traditional consoles, this is absolutely impossible to deny no matter how hard the original poster tries. Nintendo has been muscled out of the hardware war by monster companies and that is also a fact. Nintendo just cant afford losing money per console like Sony and MS are doing, period. So hence we have the Wii, a console aimed ALMOST exclusively at casual and untapped non-gamer markets, and thats an OBVIOUS fact that the original poster also denies.

The PS3 made what historically have been "system dooming" choices. Starting with the much criticized price tag and the fact that the price tag is NOT justified at all by the features. The much touted graphic engineisyet to show that it'smore powerful than that of the 360.The only reason that the people like the original poster haven't completely disregarded Sony is ONLY because of the success of the PS2, otherwise it'd be another Jaguar, 3DO or Dreamcast... no effin doubt.

I certainly appreciate the original poster's attitude. He wants to be some sort of peacemaker amongst trolls. The problem is that he is doing it in the "system wars" forum" and that fact just renders his John Lennon impersonation moot.

schitzonix

Didn't you read the "Leaving Fact Town" notice? He stated that it was just his opinion (a good, fairopinion. in mine, but still an opinion). He does not impose it on anyone.

That being said, it's a good list based on mostly logic (I'm referring to No. 24 :).) I suppose this is a democracy based on free speech, but it still would be niceto mod people who insist on following such fallacies.

"kid friendly" that means kiddyLimbutus

The PS3/360/PC has kid friendly games too. Guess they're kiddy.

"kid friendly" that means kiddyLimbutus

"kid friendly" that means kiddyLimbutus

No. Kid friendly, in terms of movies or television shows, means that it would have a G or PG rating. Are you telling me that all G and PG movies are for kids only?

The Wii appeals to a different market than traditional consoles, this is absolutely impossible to deny no matter how hard the original poster tries. Nintendo has been muscled out of the hardware war by monster companies and that is also a fact. Nintendo just cant afford losing money per console like Sony and MS are doing, period. So hence we have the Wii, a console aimed ALMOST exclusively at casual and untapped non-gamer markets, and thats an OBVIOUS fact that the original poster also denies.

The PS3 made what historically have been "system dooming" choices. Starting with the much criticized price tag and the fact that the price tag is NOT justified at all by the features. The much touted graphic engineisyet to show that it'smore powerful than that of the 360.The only reason that the people like the original poster haven't completely disregarded Sony is ONLY because of the success of the PS2, otherwise it'd be another Jaguar, 3DO or Dreamcast... no effin doubt.

I certainly appreciate the original poster's attitude. He wants to be some sort of peacemaker amongst trolls. The problem is that he is doing it in the "system wars" forum" and that fact just renders his John Lennon impersonation moot.

schitzonix

Actually, those statements are completely false.

Wii games published by Nintendo.

Hardcore games announced

1. Twilight Princess
2. Fire Emblem
3. Super Paper Mario
4. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
5. Super Mario Galaxy
6. Super Smash Bros. Brawl
7. Excite Truck
8. Battalion Wars 2
9. Disaster: Day of Crisis
10. Mario Kart Wii
11. Generic Kirby game
12. Project H.A.M.M.E.R. (maybe)
13. Mario Strikers Charged




Casual games announced

1. Wii Sports
2. Wii Play
3. WarioWare: Smooth Moves
4. Mario Party 8
5. Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree
6. Donkey Kong: Barrel Blast
7. Endless Ocean
8. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games
9. Wii Fit
10. Wii Music
11. Animal Crossing Wii
12. Pokémon Battle Revolution

[QUOTE="schitzonix"]

The Wii appeals to a different market than traditional consoles, this is absolutely impossible to deny no matter how hard the original poster tries. Nintendo has been muscled out of the hardware war by monster companies and that is also a fact. Nintendo just cant afford losing money per console like Sony and MS are doing, period. So hence we have the Wii, a console aimed ALMOST exclusively at casual and untapped non-gamer markets, and thats an OBVIOUS fact that the original poster also denies.

The PS3 made what historically have been "system dooming" choices. Starting with the much criticized price tag and the fact that the price tag is NOT justified at all by the features. The much touted graphic engineisyet to show that it'smore powerful than that of the 360.The only reason that the people like the original poster haven't completely disregarded Sony is ONLY because of the success of the PS2, otherwise it'd be another Jaguar, 3DO or Dreamcast... no effin doubt.

I certainly appreciate the original poster's attitude. He wants to be some sort of peacemaker amongst trolls. The problem is that he is doing it in the "system wars" forum" and that fact just renders his John Lennon impersonation moot.

Tylendal

Actually, those statements are completely false.

Wii games published by Nintendo.

Hardcore games announced

1. Twilight Princess
2. Fire Emblem
3. Super Paper Mario
4. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
5. Super Mario Galaxy
6. Super Smash Bros. Brawl
7. Excite Truck
8. Battalion Wars 2
9. Disaster: Day of Crisis
10. Mario Kart Wii
11. Generic Kirby game
12. Project H.A.M.M.E.R. (maybe)
13. Mario Strikers Charged




Casual games announced

1. Wii Sports
2. Wii Play
3. WarioWare: Smooth Moves
4. Mario Party 8
5. Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree
6. Donkey Kong: Barrel Blast
7. Endless Ocean
8. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games
9. Wii Fit
10. Wii Music
11. Animal Crossing Wii
12. Pokémon Battle Revolution

Funny how 90% or more of those games feature cartoony children-friendly graphics... although that wasn't my point at all. I'm just going to dismiss you since you're someone who believes that "Excite Truck", "Mario Strikers", "Generic Kirby Games" and even good old "Mario Kart" that has been the same since 1992 are "hardcore" games. Clearly a hardcore game for you is a shallow, simplistic rehash of another equally bad game.

To make things worse you put the most complex and, next to Galaxy, most compelling game of the lot (Animal Crossing) along with the "casual" list. Good job. You posted 25 games out of which6 can be considered to be geared towards the more hardcore lot (Galaxy, Fire Emblem, Disaster, Brawl, Zelda, Metroid and Animal Crossing). At some point gamers will stop buying into some Nintendo franchises that are WAY burnt out (read: im not against sequels, but these have been going on for more than 15 years, even 20 for zelda and mario).

Older gamers like myself that have been around since the original NESstill enjoy the tired franchises but CERTAINLY wish for something fresh, and the only fresh material that Nintendo is delivering does not appeal to my age group AT ALL, say what you like... but Pokemon is not exactly my cup of tea, and if you're 27 years old and like it, then you have other issues that are better discussed with your shrink during serious therapy.

Also note that I'm not even gonna bother mentioning the Wii's graphic engine at this point since its pointless. From a raw software standpoint there is simply very litte there and as long as the big corporations can dish out large chunks of cash to keep their exclusives while Nintendo can't, all we're gonna see are more Mario/Zelda/Metroid/MarioKart remakes that have the exact same concepts from 20 years ago.

Again, if you're young or just missed out on all the early NES/SNES/N64 Nintendo titles, which probably means you just woke up from a coma or were stranded on an island for the past 15 years or so, then by all means run out and get them! They're ****cs and the new versions of those play nearly identical, just 3d rendered and a different POV.

In fact, I'll take that back right now, just go play all the NES/SNES games from those franchises, they're far better. Then with the money you savedgo get a REAL next generation console, or just upgrade your current PC if its within your reach. That way you won't miss out on REAL next gen games.

*disclaimer: This is written exclusively from the point of view of a 27 year old jaded gamer who has played every console imaginable since 1985. I don't pretend to share the same take on the issue as a teenager or less.

[QUOTE="Limbutus"]"kid friendly" that means kiddyithilgore2006

I believe it can be agreed that this is correct.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="schitzonix"]

The Wii appeals to a different market than traditional consoles, this is absolutely impossible to deny no matter how hard the original poster tries. Nintendo has been muscled out of the hardware war by monster companies and that is also a fact. Nintendo just cant afford losing money per console like Sony and MS are doing, period. So hence we have the Wii, a console aimed ALMOST exclusively at casual and untapped non-gamer markets, and thats an OBVIOUS fact that the original poster also denies.

The PS3 made what historically have been "system dooming" choices. Starting with the much criticized price tag and the fact that the price tag is NOT justified at all by the features. The much touted graphic engineisyet to show that it'smore powerful than that of the 360.The only reason that the people like the original poster haven't completely disregarded Sony is ONLY because of the success of the PS2, otherwise it'd be another Jaguar, 3DO or Dreamcast... no effin doubt.

I certainly appreciate the original poster's attitude. He wants to be some sort of peacemaker amongst trolls. The problem is that he is doing it in the "system wars" forum" and that fact just renders his John Lennon impersonation moot.

schitzonix

Actually, those statements are completely false.

Wii games published by Nintendo.

Hardcore games announced

1. Twilight Princess
2. Fire Emblem
3. Super Paper Mario
4. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
5. Super Mario Galaxy
6. Super Smash Bros. Brawl
7. Excite Truck
8. Battalion Wars 2
9. Disaster: Day of Crisis
10. Mario Kart Wii
11. Generic Kirby game
12. Project H.A.M.M.E.R. (maybe)
13. Mario Strikers Charged




Casual games announced

1. Wii Sports
2. Wii Play
3. WarioWare: Smooth Moves
4. Mario Party 8
5. Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree
6. Donkey Kong: Barrel Blast
7. Endless Ocean
8. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games
9. Wii Fit
10. Wii Music
11. Animal Crossing Wii
12. Pokémon Battle Revolution

Funny how 90% or more of those games feature cartoony children-friendly graphics... although that wasn't my point at all. I'm just going to dismiss you since you're someone who believes that "Excite Truck", "Mario Strikers", "Generic Kirby Games" and even good old "Mario Kart" that has been the same since 1992 are "hardcore" games. Clearly a hardcore game for you is a shallow, simplistic rehash of another equally bad game.

To make things worse you put the most complex and, next to Galaxy, most compelling game of the lot (Animal Crossing) along with the "casual" list. Good job. You posted 25 games out of which6 can be considered to be geared towards the more hardcore lot (Galaxy, Fire Emblem, Disaster, Brawl, Zelda, Metroid and Animal Crossing). At some point gamers will stop buying into some Nintendo franchises that are WAY burnt out (read: im not against sequels, but these have been going on for more than 15 years, even 20 for zelda and mario).

Older gamers like myself that have been around since the original NESstill enjoy the tired franchises but CERTAINLY wish for something fresh, and the only fresh material that Nintendo is delivering does not appeal to my age group AT ALL, say what you like... but Pokemon is not exactly my cup of tea, and if you're 27 years old and like it, then you have other issues that are better discussed with your shrink during serious therapy.

Also note that I'm not even gonna bother mentioning the Wii's graphic engine at this point since its pointless. From a raw software standpoint there is simply very litte there and as long as the big corporations can dish out large chunks of cash to keep their exclusives while Nintendo can't, all we're gonna see are more Mario/Zelda/Metroid/MarioKart remakes that have the exact same concepts from 20 years ago.

Again, if you're young or just missed out on all the early NES/SNES/N64 Nintendo titles, which probably means you just woke up from a coma or were stranded on an island for the past 15 years or so, then by all means run out and get them! They're ****cs and the new versions of those play nearly identical, just 3d rendered and a different POV.

In fact, I'll take that back right now, just go play all the NES/SNES games from those franchises, they're far better. Then with the money you savedgo get a REAL next generation console, or just upgrade your current PC if its within your reach. That way you won't miss out on REAL next gen games.

*disclaimer: This is written exclusively from the point of view of a 27 year old jaded gamer who has played every console imaginable since 1985. I don't pretend to share the same take on the issue as a teenager or less.

This list is made by what market Nintendo is aiming for. You cannot deny that a game like Animal Crossing was targeted towards children. Also, if you've played games as much as you say you have, you woudn't call Kirby a "Shallow, simplistic, rehash, of a bad game" Mario Kart is one of the most popular racing games there is, with huge tournements, while Excite Truck is greatly challenging. Finally, I didn't create this list myself. Other System Wars posters helped me sort these games into the two categories. On top of that, all those games you dissed? Are you telling me that you'd never want to play them?

and if you're 27 years old and like it, then you have other issues that are better discussed with your shrink during serious therapy.

schitzonix

I fail to see what those are, really.