The 360 Arcade is a complete rip off, ESPECIALLY for gamers

An actually good argument for not buying a Arcade. If this is all true then it is terrible. I would be calling Msoft post haste to see if they are deving a patch.

kuu2

I thought there was that leak of a 250GB HDD add-on so presumably you could get that if and when it comes out - although the price in the rumor/leak was US$129.

shinrabanshou

why would you want to play ODST?

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

I thought there was that leak of a 250GB HDD add-on so presumably you could get that if and when it comes out - although the price in the rumor/leak was US$129.

Skittles_McGee

The profit margin on an Elite is higher than an Arcade, so perhaps this is a deliberate disincentive to get people who know about it to buy the Elite.

And for people who don't... sorry, here buy this overpriced HDD - providing an even greater profit margin. It's somewhat bait and switchish.

why would you want to play ODST?

dovberg

Because he likes Halo?>_>

why would you want to play ODST?

dovberg

I'm glad you could test it out before me so I didn't make the same mistake. After having an older PS3 and not happy about what a dust magnet the glossy system was I wanted to get thekinect 4gb system but now I see I have to get the kinect 250gb system...so sad.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

I thought there was that leak of a 250GB HDD add-on so presumably you could get that if and when it comes out - although the price in the rumor/leak was US$129.

The profit margin on an Elite is higher than an Arcade, so perhaps this is a deliberate disincentive to get people who know about it to buy the Elite.

And for people who don't... sorry, here buy this overpriced HDD - providing an even greater profit margin. It's somewhat bait and switchish.

why would you want to play ODST?

dovberg

I know you weren't supporting it. I just enjoy some good sarcasm.Skittles_McGee

I do like how this thread is basically in direct contrast to that thread just yesterday (?) about how great the 4GB model is.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]I know you weren't supporting it. I just enjoy some good sarcasm.shinrabanshou

I do like how this thread is basically in direct contrast to that thread just yesterday (?) about how great the 4GB model is.

I have a 360 Elite, soon to have a Limited Edition Halo Reach console.

When I bought my Elite, the guy at Gamestop warned me that the Arcade was more prone to technical problems and that alot more people turned in Arcades than Elites. I'm very happy with the 360.

[QUOTE="dovberg"]

why would you want to play ODST?

Skittles_McGee

I wish I had a font to symbolize sarcasm.

In the back of the Halo 3 and ODST box, it clearly shows "optimized for hard drive". The arcade models does not have hard drives. Sometimes you have to do some research first. That is all.

gago-gago

[QUOTE="2Chalupas"]I thought if you got a 4GB you could add USB drive that acts as a HDD in addition to the 4GB? Damn. I was thinking of getting the 4GB as a second system. (waiting for holiday sales). If you are "blocked" from online features for no apparant reason then that is BS. I thought them going back to allowing USB hard drives solved all of this...Skittles_McGee

[QUOTE="gago-gago"]

In the back of the Halo 3 and ODST box, it clearly shows "optimized for hard drive". The arcade models does not have hard drives. Sometimes you have to do some research first. That is all.

danjammer69

I have a 360 Elite, soon to have a Limited Edition Halo Reach console.

When I bought my Elite, the guy at Gamestop warned me that the Arcade was more prone to technical problems and that alot more people turned in Arcades than Elites. I'm very happy with the 360.

MathMattS

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] I could kindly take a screenshot if you like, or you may feel free to ask The_Game21x and Skinny_man_69 who were both there. Co-op, Firefight, saving films, map variants, etc. all required that I have a hard drive to use them, despite having more than enough space for all of those combined.Skittles_McGee

I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but I wouldn't be surprised if MS did it on purpose. After all, the Halo series is pretty big, and I'm sure it got many people to buy HDDs. RogueShodown

Although it should specifically state somewhere that a hard drive is required for the game - that's where things get ethically murky.

And if it says somewhere that the Arcade will play all 360 games - that's also somewhat ethically ambiguous - technically though it still wouldn't say "all 360 games in their entirety," and no 360 does that without Live Gold though anyway.

This is like buying the 20gb PS3 and finding out it doesn't have wifi.

gago-gago

The 360 is great for:

1. Casuals who just want to play a few games a year

2. PS3 and Wii owners who just want to play a few exclusives

3. People who aren't sure if they want to invest in the 360

4. Kids

Just because it does not meet your needs does not mean that it is horribly gimped. Geez.

I have a 360 Elite, soon to have a Limited Edition Halo Reach console.

When I bought my Elite, the guy at Gamestop warned me that the Arcade was more prone to technical problems and that alot more people turned in Arcades than Elites. I'm very happy with the 360.

MathMattS

[QUOTE="gago-gago"]

This is like buying the 20gb PS3 and finding out it doesn't have wifi.

jasonharris48

Nope. Unless I want to break it open, I guess. Or something. The only HDDs that I've found, are the top loading ones, which there's no slot for.Skittles_McGee

Dunno if it was posted, but you can buy it at Gamestop.com, assuming you live in the States. The price is crazy ridiculous though :|

Don't know what to say other then just get a hard drive.:)

The 360 is great for:

1. Casuals who just want to play a few games a year

2. PS3 and Wii owners who just want to play a few exclusives

3. People who aren't sure if they want to invest in the 360

4. Kids

Just because it does not meet your needs does not mean that it is horribly gimped. Geez.

dc337

But it is horribly gimped. Think about how much it would cost them to add a 10-20GB HDD. It still wouldn't be so much that you wouldn't ever need a bigger HDD, but at least you wouldn't need one right away. The way it is now, you can't do much without having to go out and buy a 250GB. There's no reason to have the Arcade as an option if you're not able to do the simplest of things.

Minus a couple gems, i've always thought that Live Arcade was lame

But it is horribly gimped. Think about how much it would cost them to add a 10-20GB HDD. It still wouldn't be so much that you wouldn't ever need a bigger HDD, but at least you wouldn't need one right away. The way it is now, you can't do much without having to go out and buy a 250GB. There's no reason to have the Arcade as an option if you're not able to do the simplest of things.

RogueShodown

I'm assuming it's done deliberately to get people to either buy a 250 GB or find out later they'll need to shell out $129 extra for an HDD - bringing the cost of their Arcade to $329.

[QUOTE="RogueShodown"]

But it is horribly gimped. Think about how much it would cost them to add a 10-20GB HDD. It still wouldn't be so much that you wouldn't ever need a bigger HDD, but at least you wouldn't need one right away. The way it is now, you can't do much without having to go out and buy a 250GB. There's no reason to have the Arcade as an option if you're not able to do the simplest of things.

shinrabanshou

I'm assuming it's done deliberately to get people to either buy a 250 GB or find out later they'll need to shell out $129 extra for an HDD - bringing the cost of their Arcade to $329.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="dovberg"]

why would you want to play ODST?

dovberg

I wish I had a font to symbolize sarcasm.

Could use this:

[QUOTE="RogueShodown"]

But it is horribly gimped. Think about how much it would cost them to add a 10-20GB HDD. It still wouldn't be so much that you wouldn't ever need a bigger HDD, but at least you wouldn't need one right away. The way it is now, you can't do much without having to go out and buy a 250GB. There's no reason to have the Arcade as an option if you're not able to do the simplest of things.

shinrabanshou

I'm assuming it's done deliberately to get people to either buy a 250 GB or find out later they'll need to shell out $129 extra for an HDD - bringing the cost of their Arcade to $329.

makes sense, doubt anyone would buy the $300 model if MS released a 80gb for $200

ive had 2 arcade units. sold one and gave one away once i got my 250 gig 360.

i already had a 120 gig HD to slap on it. had years of fun with my rip off 360 arcade, tons more than with my 40 gig PS3 which is a dust magnet right now since the release of god of war 3.

now someone else is enjoying the crap out of my so called rip off 360 arcade.

this is why the 360 has such repeat business and a loyal fanbase vs that other system i own that i probably couldnt give away.

360 arcade was the best $200 bucks ive ever spent.

i would call the TC's post an epic fail, but ill get modded, so ill just say..i beg to differ with the T.C'S incisive judgement.

I wonder if this will be the same case with Reach.:?

flash drive will fix your problem.ReachandKinect

I wonder if this will be the same case with Reach.:?

sanim02

The Arcade is good, the problem is that for some reason even with enough memory it is blocked in Halo 3. They really should fix that, games like Ninjga Gaiden 2 for example have no problem on an Arcade. Halo 3 is weird in many ways, such as installing increases load times... SaltyMeatballs

seriously, Skittles, do you have your old 360 HDD (that is, if you had one before the slim)? your old HDD will work in a slim. you just have to do an, ahem, modification. don't worry, it won't void your warranty.

I wonder if this will be the same case with Reach.:?

sanim02

seriously, Skittles, do you have your old 360 HDD (that is, if you had one before the slim)? your old HDD will work in a slim. you just have to do an, ahem, modification. don't worry, it won't void your warranty.clone01

There wasn't much I valued on the HDD that I couldnt get back, so I sold that with it. But I am still slightly intrigued by this, I'd just rather not break open my brand new console.

I do not. I sold my old 360 to get this new one. I figured, lets not mince words, it's over 3 years old, its gonna break eventually. Let it be someone else's problem :P There wasn't much I valued on the HDD that I couldnt get back, so I sold that with it. But I am still slightly intrigued by this, I'd just rather not break open my brand new console.Skittles_McGee

[QUOTE="dc337"]

The 360 is great for:

1. Casuals who just want to play a few games a year

2. PS3 and Wii owners who just want to play a few exclusives

3. People who aren't sure if they want to invest in the 360

4. Kids

Just because it does not meet your needs does not mean that it is horribly gimped. Geez.

RogueShodown

But it is horribly gimped. Think about how much it would cost them to add a 10-20GB HDD. It still wouldn't be so much that you wouldn't ever need a bigger HDD, but at least you wouldn't need one right away. The way it is now, you can't do much without having to go out and buy a 250GB. There's no reason to have the Arcade as an option if you're not able to do the simplest of things.

[QUOTE="sanim02"]

I wonder if this will be the same case with Reach.:?

Skittles_McGee

The Arcade is good, the problem is that for some reason even with enough memory it is blocked in Halo 3. They really should fix that, games like Ninjga Gaiden 2 for example have no problem on an Arcade. Halo 3 is weird in many ways, such as installing increases load times... SaltyMeatballs

Lesson to all, when you try to cut corner on buying a 360 the corner cut you!

That sucks, this is the reason why I don't own a 360 anymore. MS would suck you dry and leave you to rot. Currently own a pc and ps3 and never looking back.