The 360 sort of fails at delivering truly exclusive experiences.

Their most critically acclaimed exclusives are a third person shooter (Gears of War), a first person shooter (Halo), and a racing game (Forza).

FPS the most overused genre this generation. Third person shooters are everywhere. Racing games are pretty generic. It just seems like you can get a great first person shooting experience anywhere, and there are so many great third person shooters out there, and lots of good racing games.

With PC, you have RTS games, MMO's, and tons of other exclusives that you just can't get anywhere else, not even similar experiences. There's nothing else out there like Metal Gear Solid 4, or Uncharted with the platforming, puzzles and 3rd person shooting combination with the verticality. Games like LittleBigPlanet differentiate themselves from everything else, as do games like Heavy Rain. Games like Skyward Sword and Super Mario Galaxy are unlike anything else out there, multi-plat or exclusive.

It just seems like the critically acclaimed exclusives on PC, PS3 and Wii offer experiences you can't get anywhere else, while the critically acclaimed exclusives on 360 are very generic, and the experiences are very similar to tons of exclusives on competing platforms as well as many multi-platform games. They don't even have the dialog like a Metal Gear Solid 4 to differentiate themselves.

I know that Kinect is unique, but it sure isn't critically acclaimed.

It fails at everything if you ask me

Their most critically acclaimed exclusives are a third person shooter (Gears of War), a first person shooter (Halo), and a racing game (Forza).

FPS the most overused genre this generation. Third person shooters are everywhere. Racing games are pretty generic. It just seems like you can get a great first person shooting experience anywhere, and there are so many great third person shooters out there, and lots of good racing games.

With PC, you have RTS games, MMO's, and tons of other exclusives that you just can't get anywhere else, not even similar experiences. There's nothing else out there like Metal Gear Solid 4, or Uncharted with the platforming, puzzles and 3rd person shooting combination with the verticality. Games like LittleBigPlanet differentiate themselves from everything else, as do games like Heavy Rain. Games like Skyward Sword and Super Mario Galaxy are unlike anything else out there, multi-plat or exclusive.

It just seems like the critically acclaimed exclusives on PC, PS3 and Wii offer experiences you can't get anywhere else, while the critically acclaimed exclusives on 360 are very generic, and the experiences are very similar to tons of exclusives on competing platforms as well as many multi-platform games. They don't even have the dialog like a Metal Gear Solid 4 to differentiate themselves.

I know that Kinect is unique, but it sure isn't critically acclaimed.

arkephonic

Wasn't Kameo exclusive? It was pretty good.

Wasn't Kameo exclusive? It was pretty good.

verbtex

Yeah, I have it.

Xbox is pretty horrendous at everything right now.

Everybody knows that already. MS can't really compete with Nintendo and Sony when it comes to exclusive experiences. I have enjoyed quite a bit of exclusives on 360, but Wii and PS3 do a better job when it comes to exclusives. I do think the 360 is a great console regardless though, and I dont regret buying one. Everybody is looking for different things or are in different situations, ya know. So if the 360 isnt doing it for you thats fine. Just get rid of it if you have one or avoid it if you dont.cloudff7tm

Yeah.

Sorry for dissing your system, 360 is nice.

Just wish it had more stuff like the early days and didn't focus on Kinect.

Everybody knows that already. MS can't really compete with Nintendo and Sony when it comes to exclusive experiences. I have enjoyed quite a bit of exclusives on 360, but Wii and PS3 do a better job when it comes to exclusives. I do think the 360 is a great console regardless though, and I dont regret buying one. Everybody is looking for different things or are in different situations, ya know. So if the 360 isnt doing it for you thats fine. Just get rid of it if you have one or avoid it if you dont.cloudff7tm

I actually like the 360 quite a bit. I have around 40 games for it, and I don't sell games or consoles anymore, so I'm stuck with the 360 for the long haul whether I like it or not.

I'm just pointing out that it doesn't really have anything to differentiate itself.

or Uncharted with the platforming, puzzles and 3rd person shooting combination with the verticality.

arkephonic

[QUOTE="cloudff7tm"]Everybody knows that already. MS can't really compete with Nintendo and Sony when it comes to exclusive experiences. I have enjoyed quite a bit of exclusives on 360, but Wii and PS3 do a better job when it comes to exclusives. I do think the 360 is a great console regardless though, and I dont regret buying one. Everybody is looking for different things or are in different situations, ya know. So if the 360 isnt doing it for you thats fine. Just get rid of it if you have one or avoid it if you dont.ZombieKiller7

Yeah.

Sorry for dissing your system, 360 is nice.

Just wish it had more stuff like the early days and didn't focus on Kinect.

[QUOTE="cloudff7tm"]Everybody knows that already. MS can't really compete with Nintendo and Sony when it comes to exclusive experiences. I have enjoyed quite a bit of exclusives on 360, but Wii and PS3 do a better job when it comes to exclusives. I do think the 360 is a great console regardless though, and I dont regret buying one. Everybody is looking for different things or are in different situations, ya know. So if the 360 isnt doing it for you thats fine. Just get rid of it if you have one or avoid it if you dont.arkephonic

I actually like the 360 quite a bit. I have around 40 games for it, and I don't sell games or consoles anymore, so I'm stuck with the 360 for the long haul whether I like it or not.

I'm just pointing out that it doesn't really have anything to differentiate itself.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]or Uncharted with the platforming, puzzles and 3rd person shooting combination with the verticality.

cain006

Yes, it doesn't necessarily do them as well as Uncharted, but you are technically correct. (The best kind of correct)

Just wondering, can you actually name a shooter that plays like halo on consoles?soulitane

I think Kinect is entirely the reason. I don't think Kinect is any good. They're putting all their time, money and resources into Kinect, and for what? What do they have to show for it? I don't see any good games coming out for it. None of the games are getting good reviews. I haven't seen any game go off-rails yet and be successful. Rise of Nightmares goes off rails, and all the reviewers say that the controls for it are clunky and not precise at all.

That's my number 1 complaint with Kinect. I do not believe that you can make a game for it that is off rails, and have it be good, the controls just aren't advanced enough. I don't think Kinect 2, 3, 4 or 5 will be good enough to go off rails either. The things it asks of you to do in order to move around in an off-rail game are just so clunky. Put your foot forward to move forward. Lean forward to go faster, turn your shoulders to turn, and it doesn't even register properly.

I think Kinect is entirely the reason. I don't think Kinect is any good. They're putting all their time, money and resources into Kinect, and for what? What do they have to show for it? I don't see any good games coming out for it. None of the games are getting good reviews. I haven't seen any game go off-rails yet and be successful. Rise of Nightmares goes off rails, and all the reviewers say that the controls for it are clunky and not precise at all.

That's my number 1 complaint with Kinect. I do not believe that you can make a game for it that is off rails, and have it be good, the controls just aren't advanced enough. I don't think Kinect 2, 3, 4 or 5 will be good enough to go off rails either. The things it asks of you to do in order to move around in an off-rail game are just so clunky. Put your foot forward to move forward. Lean forward to go faster, turn your shoulders to turn, and it doesn't even register properly.

arkephonic

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

I think Kinect is entirely the reason. I don't think Kinect is any good. They're putting all their time, money and resources into Kinect, and for what? What do they have to show for it? I don't see any good games coming out for it. None of the games are getting good reviews. I haven't seen any game go off-rails yet and be successful. Rise of Nightmares goes off rails, and all the reviewers say that the controls for it are clunky and not precise at all.

That's my number 1 complaint with Kinect. I do not believe that you can make a game for it that is off rails, and have it be good, the controls just aren't advanced enough. I don't think Kinect 2, 3, 4 or 5 will be good enough to go off rails either. The things it asks of you to do in order to move around in an off-rail game are just so clunky. Put your foot forward to move forward. Lean forward to go faster, turn your shoulders to turn, and it doesn't even register properly.

SpruceCaboose

That game is on rails, isn't it?

And lets not forget how Gears has influenced games more than any other game this gen. Revolutionized and popularized cover systems: After Gears of War nearly every 3rd person shooter since has emulated this mechanic. Standardized survival mode: After Gears of War 2 nearly every single shooter has implemented some short of survival/horde mode; even pouring over to other genres like RTS.AcidSoldner

That's just reinforcing my point, though. It spawned tons of games just like it, making it a not very unique experience.

It fails at everything if you ask me

finalstar2007

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

I think Kinect is entirely the reason. I don't think Kinect is any good. They're putting all their time, money and resources into Kinect, and for what? What do they have to show for it? I don't see any good games coming out for it. None of the games are getting good reviews. I haven't seen any game go off-rails yet and be successful. Rise of Nightmares goes off rails, and all the reviewers say that the controls for it are clunky and not precise at all.

That's my number 1 complaint with Kinect. I do not believe that you can make a game for it that is off rails, and have it be good, the controls just aren't advanced enough. I don't think Kinect 2, 3, 4 or 5 will be good enough to go off rails either. The things it asks of you to do in order to move around in an off-rail game are just so clunky. Put your foot forward to move forward. Lean forward to go faster, turn your shoulders to turn, and it doesn't even register properly.

arkephonic

That game is on rails, isn't it?

[QUOTE="AcidSoldner"]And lets not forget how Gears has influenced games more than any other game this gen. Revolutionized and popularized cover systems: After Gears of War nearly every 3rd person shooter since has emulated this mechanic. Standardized survival mode: After Gears of War 2 nearly every single shooter has implemented some short of survival/horde mode; even pouring over to other genres like RTS.arkephonic

That's just reinforcing my point, though. It spawned tons of games just like it, making it a not very unique experience.

Just wondering, can you actually name a shooter that plays like halo on consoles?soulitane

Or is as good on anything?

[QUOTE="AcidSoldner"]And lets not forget how Gears has influenced games more than any other game this gen. Revolutionized and popularized cover systems: After Gears of War nearly every 3rd person shooter since has emulated this mechanic. Standardized survival mode: After Gears of War 2 nearly every single shooter has implemented some short of survival/horde mode; even pouring over to other genres like RTS.SpruceCaboose

Notice how I didn't say created/invented. Read the bold. Reading comprehension FTL.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="AcidSoldner"]And lets not forget how Gears has influenced games more than any other game this gen. Revolutionized and popularized cover systems: After Gears of War nearly every 3rd person shooter since has emulated this mechanic. Standardized survival mode: After Gears of War 2 nearly every single shooter has implemented some short of survival/horde mode; even pouring over to other genres like RTS.AcidSoldner

Notice how I didn't say created/invented. Read the bold. Reading comprehension FTL.

[QUOTE="AcidSoldner"]And lets not forget how Gears has influenced games more than any other game this gen. Revolutionized and popularized cover systems: After Gears of War nearly every 3rd person shooter since has emulated this mechanic. Standardized survival mode: After Gears of War 2 nearly every single shooter has implemented some short of survival/horde mode; even pouring over to other genres like RTS.arkephonic

That's just reinforcing my point, though. It spawned tons of games just like it, making it a not very unique experience.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="AcidSoldner"]And lets not forget how Gears has influenced games more than any other game this gen. Revolutionized and popularized cover systems: After Gears of War nearly every 3rd person shooter since has emulated this mechanic. Standardized survival mode: After Gears of War 2 nearly every single shooter has implemented some short of survival/horde mode; even pouring over to other genres like RTS.AcidSoldner

That's just reinforcing my point, though. It spawned tons of games just like it, making it a not very unique experience.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="AcidSoldner"]And lets not forget how Gears has influenced games more than any other game this gen. Revolutionized and popularized cover systems: After Gears of War nearly every 3rd person shooter since has emulated this mechanic. Standardized survival mode: After Gears of War 2 nearly every single shooter has implemented some short of survival/horde mode; even pouring over to other genres like RTS.AcidSoldner

That's just reinforcing my point, though. It spawned tons of games just like it, making it a not very unique experience.

Yeah, actually it does. If the game scores well, you'll be able to get an Uncharted like experience somewhere else besides PS3.

I have yet to see someone else emulate an experience like Metal Gear Solid 4, LittleBigPlanet, Heavy Rain, Super Mario Galaxy or Skyward Sword. The list goes on and on for PC exclusive games.

Halo Reach is a terrible example, because you can find great first person shooters on every platform.

Yeah, actually it does. If the game scores well, you'll be able to get an Uncharted like experience somewhere else besides PS3.

I have yet to see someone else emulate an experience like Metal Gear Solid 4, LittleBigPlanet, Heavy Rain, Super Mario Galaxy or Skyward Sword. The list goes on and on for PC exclusive games.

Halo Reach is a terrible example, because you can find great first person shooters on every platform.

arkephonic

[QUOTE="AcidSoldner"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] You mean the cover system WinBack did on the N64?SpruceCaboose

Notice how I didn't say created/invented. Read the bold. Reading comprehension FTL.

It did really. it was the best implementation of it in a game, with good magnetism and feedback, great design and subtle things that made it so influential. If WinBack had done it so well, how come it wasn't widely used in video games at the time?

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="AcidSoldner"] Oh yeah, totally... :roll:

Notice how I didn't say created/invented. Read the bold. Reading comprehension FTL.

OB-47

It did really. it was the best implementation of it in a game, with good magnetism and feedback, great design and subtle things that made it so influential. If WinBack had done it so well, how come it wasn't widely used in video games at the time?

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="AcidSoldner"] Oh yeah, totally... :roll:

Notice how I didn't say created/invented. Read the bold. Reading comprehension FTL.

OB-47

It did really. it was the best implementation of it in a game, with good magnetism and feedback, great design and subtle things that made it so influential. If WinBack had done it so well, how come it wasn't widely used in video games at the time?

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]It didn't revolutionize it, its the same system, exactly. Popularized maybe.SpruceCaboose

It did really. it was the best implementation of it in a game, with good magnetism and feedback, great design and subtle things that made it so influential. If WinBack had done it so well, how come it wasn't widely used in video games at the time?

I've never enjoyed a FPS as much as I enjoy Halo. The only game that came close was the first Crysis.

MS may not have that many exclusives, but with the crazy amount of quality games released these days does it really matter? I know some PS3 only guys are probably shaking in their panties in rage ready to tell me yes, yes it does. I'm here to tell you that my favorite games on my 360 and on my PC are almost always multiplats. On the Wii I prefer Nintendo's first-party fare. On my iPhone I've been playing a mix of exclusives and older ports, so a bit of Chaos Rings and a bit of Final Fantasy III, etc.

There are so many games released all the time right now that you honestly should not give a sh*t what platform you're playing on or if the game is exclusive. There are too many backwards ass cavemen that think in the old ways, but it doesn't matter. No one's going to care if your favorite game is Deus Ex Human Revolution, Skyrim, Halo or Uncharted. Exclusive, multiplat, whatever, there's just so much quality available now as third-party exclusives are disappearing(not the crap finalstar tells people about though) that it really doesn't matter. Choose a game and play it, there's something out there to enjoy for everyone. We're reaching a point where it doesn't matter what you're playing on, but justwhat gameyou're playing. There will always be exclusives, but with the vast majority of titles being third-party we're going to reach a point finally where it's about the game and less about the hardware, as it should have always been.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="OB-47"]

It did really. it was the best implementation of it in a game, with good magnetism and feedback, great design and subtle things that made it so influential. If WinBack had done it so well, how come it wasn't widely used in video games at the time?

AcidSoldner

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]or Uncharted with the platforming, puzzles and 3rd person shooting combination with the verticality.

[QUOTE="AcidSoldner"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]It did. Metal Gear and kill.switch stole the mechanic a couple years before Gears did it, and then Gears did it with some over the top gore and Cliffy B and everyone saw how "edgy" it was. SpruceCaboose

There's a difference between MGS and Gears' cover system. MGS' cover system sucks.

It fails at everything if you ask me

finalstar2007

Seems fine to me.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

[QUOTE="AcidSoldner"]No games these days use the cover mechanic that Winback and MGS used, they all follows the Gears template. They're almost completely different.NeonNinja

There's a difference between MGS and Gears' cover system. MGS' cover system sucks.

I've never enjoyed a FPS as much as I enjoy Halo. The only game that came close was the first Crysis.

MS may not have that many exclusives, but with the crazy amount of quality games released these days does it really matter? I know some PS3 only guys are probably shaking in their panties in rage ready to tell me yes, yes it does. I'm here to tell you that my favorite games on my 360 and on my PC are almost always multiplats. On the Wii I prefer Nintendo's first-party fare. On my iPhone I've been playing a mix of exclusives and older ports, so a bit of Chaos Rings and a bit of Final Fantasy III, etc.

There are so many games released all the time right now that you honestly should not give a sh*t what platform you're playing on or if the game is exclusive. There are too many backwards ass cavemen that think in the old ways, but it doesn't matter. No one's going to care if your favorite game is Deus Ex Human Revolution, Skyrim, Halo or Uncharted. Exclusive, multiplat, whatever, there's just so much quality available now as third-party exclusives are disappearing(not the crap finalstar tells people about though) that it really doesn't matter. Choose a game and play it, there's something out there to enjoy for everyone. We're reaching a point where it doesn't matter what you're playing on, but justwhat gameyou're playing. There will always be exclusives, but with the vast majority of titles being third-party we're going to reach a point finally where it's about the game and less about the hardware, as it should have always been.

NeonNinja

I agree, but remember, this is System Wars, and topics like this are why this forum exists.

Honestly, I don't even really care in the slightest, but I just thought it would be funny to make another anti-360 thread because I get a kick out of it.

Exclusives only matter in the beginning of the gen to build up support and customer base.

After that it doesn't matter, everybody's playing Skyrim.

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Or exactly the same. You know, since it is a simple "press button to enter cover, shoot from cover, press button to exit cover". Not terribly complicated. The only difference is the rhode run, which isn't really the cover system so much as Gears compromise for people who wanted a sprint button. Gears was the better game, but it came out 7 years later. If it makes you feel better, the PS2/3's MGS took the laser sight from Winback as well...

SpruceCaboose

There's a difference between MGS and Gears' cover system. MGS' cover system sucks.

Not arguing that. I hardly think a cover system is innovation, so really I don't give a crap where it was from. Even if a game doesn't have a cover system I freaking take cover by crouching behind a rock or something. Gears gets a ton of credit for the cover system when Rainbow Six Vegas had just as good a cover system and was released a week after Gears of War, so the praise is iffy, the innovation is nonexistent, the quality and influence are undeniable.

Halo Reach is a terrible example, because you can find great first person shooters on every platform.

arkephonic

A lengthy campaign with and emphasis on sandbox gameplay mixed with a focused linear progression/story.
A fully customizable survival mode with more modes and variations than any other.
A multiplayer suite with with tons of playlists as well as completely customizable custom games that is still supported heavily a year and a half after release.
Forge 2.0, a fully featured map and gametype editor. Giant sandbox where you can literally create anything.
Theatre mode where you can record, save, upload, and take screenshots from any angle that you damn well please.

And it's all extremely high quality content. Find me a PS3, PC, or Wii game like that.

R6 Vegas had the best cover system of any game I've played even until today.