The 3DS has been nothing but a series of disasters so far...

OPh, I think it has a fair shot at living up to the legacy of the Galaxy games. They seem to be getting everything right with this game. In any case, a Mario game is always hyped- it's one of the few constants in the industry. To suggest that we not hype a Mario game is ridiculous.charizard1605

I don't think they can do that in 1.5 years developmen time, and with the scope of Mario 3DS (short, action packed, pure platforming levels)

It has 90% plusminus ~3 on sight!.. Which is awesome.

And yeah not hyping it because it's not a 10/10 masterpiece is ridiculous. Still one of the best games of 2011.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] Too bad the lack luster slow gameplay video proved the "idea" was not as exciting as what they actually put out there. Its a strange hybrid between new super mario bros. and mario 64. Bread_or_Decide

But then again given your history I never really expected you to be wowed by this, regardless of how it looked

Charizard bashing the 3DS? :o

I thought I would never see the day.

[spoiler] It will do fine [/spoiler]

Star Fox 64 3D is coming out a few days earlier than expected (presumably to not have a plane combat game come out on 9/11). That's not a disaster :P.

Im guessing that Mario 3DS will fail to sell 3 million 3DS units

Im guessing that Mario 3DS will fail to sell 3 million 3DS units

EggHeadMan

Star Fox 64 3D is coming out a few days earlier than expected (presumably to not have a plane combat game come out on 9/11). That's not a disaster :P.

catfishmoon23

[QUOTE="thatisfalse"]

[QUOTE="soulitane"] Because that is the opposite of what they're saying, so if they ignore it they can keep saying all it's games a ports/remakes. Then they turn around and hype LBP and MNR :Pcharizard1605

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="thatisfalse"]Three Mario games? jeez... and that Kid Icarus game is hideous (just throwing that out there). Also, LBP on the Vita is a big deal, it's graphics are jaw dropping, and the way it utilizes all the Vita's features, such as th the touch screen, is pretty damn impressive. It's not some tacked on console experience, it's its own awesome game.

thatisfalse

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] Lackluster? :lol: Okay...whatever you say. If you want to keep finding any excuse you can to discredit good looking 3ds games, be my guestShinobishyguy

But then again given your history I never really expected you to be wowed by this, regardless of how it looked

Fact of the matter is every system becomes worth owning at some point in their life time and I'm sure the 3DS will be the same. I know this is SW but a system doesn't have to be "teh best evar!!1!!" to have fun games and a good buy.

[QUOTE="thatisfalse"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] So you will simply disregard all 3DS games, but continue to arbitrarily hype up Vita ones? Okay.charizard1605

I didn't say Icarus will be a bad game, just saying its graphics are on the ugly side. LBP on the Vita be awesome in every way is what I'm saying. It's graphics alone are almost unbelievable.

] I guess you're just easily impressed. Bread_or_Decide

Or like you said earlier, he's entitled to his own opinion, lol.

I think Super Mario 3DS looks great, a nice blend of different Mario titles from the past. Most of the gaming press seemed to enjoy it at E3 as well. It's my most anticipated 3DS game this year definitely, along with Mario Kart 3D.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="thatisfalse"]I'm just not big on the fact you're getting three games from one franchise in such a short time. I would be be underwhelmed and not very enthusiastic, might find the idea a little boring seeing the same guy again and again. Also, Icuras is hidieous. And I have nice things to say about LBP on the Vita because it's very different, and the people who've tried it out say it's a great game that stands on its own.

thatisfalse

I didn't say Icarus will be a bad game, just saying its graphics are on the ugly side. LBP on the Vita be awesome in every way is what I'm saying. It's graphics alone are almost unbelievable.

[QUOTE="thatisfalse"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] But we're not getting three games from the same franchise. Paper Mario, Super Mario and Mario Kart are DIFFERENT franchises, but with the same starring character. And btw, what you said about LBP is exactly what people say about Icarus as well...charizard1605

I didn't say Icarus will be a bad game, just saying its graphics are on the ugly side. LBP on the Vita be awesome in every way is what I'm saying. It's graphics alone are almost unbelievable.

and Icarus is a hideous game.

Virtual Boy all over again.

kuu2

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]] I guess you're just easily impressed. Haziqonfire

Or like you said earlier, he's entitled to his own opinion, lol.

Virtual Boy all over again.

kuu2

Doesn't really bother me that much to see Nintendovation fail.

and Icarus is a hideous game.

thatisfalse

Okay, before we proceed, let me just set the record straight: in case you didn't know already, I'm one of the few 'true' sheep on this forum. I love Nintendo, and I got the 3DS within a month of its launch. Nintendo has never had a failed handheld yet, and I trust(ed) that that won't change anytime soon now.

Having said that, let's have a look at the gross mishandling the 3DS has received so far:

• The battery life sucks. I can eek out 4-5 hours on average, but considering that we were promised DSi levels of battery life (which would be about 8-9 hours), and that battery life has been a traditional strength of Nintendo handhelds, this is just plain inexcusable.
• The price: why price it at $250? Especially considering that the cost of manufacturing is roughly $110? The 3DS's price seems even more inexcusable considering the much more technologically endowed Vita costs exactly the same.
• The launch: seriously, barring maybe the PS3, this was probably the most botched launch of any game system in history. The 3DS launched with most of its functionality disabled, which was only added in later via firmware updates, and is in fact still being added in. This gave the entire system the impression of being rushed to launch. And let's not forget about the games. Which brings me to...
• The launch lineup. Nintendo promised us 'the best launch lineup' for the 3DS. We were promised top tier titles like Animal Crossing, Kid Icarus: Uprising, Star Fox 64 3D, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D, Super Street Fighter IV, Resident Evil: Mercenaries and Nintendogs+Cats for the launch lineup. Of these, only two were actually released with the system, and while both of them sold in excess of a million units each, none of them were must haves.
• Games: Okay, so the 3DS is getting an incredible upcoming lineup. We know this. However, third parties increasingly seem to be losing confidence in the system. Games for the 3DS which have been cancelled so far include, but are not limited to, Crush 3D, Megaman Legends 3, Assassin's Creed: Lost Legacy, Saint's Row Drive By, My Garden and DJ Hero 3. This displays a worrying lack of confidence by third parties in the system- something that was never an issue with the original DS, even at the time of that system's similarly rocky launch.
• Marketing and perception: Seriously, this is perhaps the biggest blunder on Nintendo's part. The marketing for the 3DS fails on so many levels, it's not even funny. The adds fail to convey the simple message that the 3DS is an altogether new system, not an upgrade to the existing DS line. They focus too much on the 3D, as opposed to the other functionality the 3DS includes, including its persistent online, it's power boost, it's analog slider, it's 3D camera, it's multimedia capabilties, and more. The outcome of this is that the 3DS is seen by almost everybody as a DS 3D, or a 3D DS- just another new iteration, which definitely does not warrant a $250 dollar purchase.

Seriously, I love Nintendo, and I love their handhelds. I've owned every single one of their handhelds starting the Gamebiy Color, and so far, they have never disppointed me. So far, I have managed to convince myself that the problems with the DS echo some similar problems that the DS faced about the time of its launch, but there is simply too much that is going wrong, and I'm beginning to panic now, and wonder if I spent those $250 a bit too soon.

I still think the situation can be salvaged- the upcoming lineup for the system this year is nothing short of awesome, with Mario Kart, Super Mario, Shinobi, Rayman Origins, Sonic Generations, Kid Icarus: Uprising, Paper Mario, Star Fox 64 3D, Tales of the Abyss, Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor and Metal Gear Solid 3D. Along with new colors, a price drop and some bundles, as well as some increased marketing, the 3DS can be yet saved, and consolidated before the Vita's launch.

But it seriously makes me think, just WTF is Nintendo doing right now?

charizard1605

Stop taking SW seriously, it's just for the lulz...

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

Okay, before we proceed, let me just set the record straight: in case you didn't know already, I'm one of the few 'true' sheep on this forum. I love Nintendo, and I got the 3DS within a month of its launch. Nintendo has never had a failed handheld yet, and I trust(ed) that that won't change anytime soon now.

Having said that, let's have a look at the gross mishandling the 3DS has received so far:

• The battery life sucks. I can eek out 4-5 hours on average, but considering that we were promised DSi levels of battery life (which would be about 8-9 hours), and that battery life has been a traditional strength of Nintendo handhelds, this is just plain inexcusable.
• The price: why price it at $250? Especially considering that the cost of manufacturing is roughly $110? The 3DS's price seems even more inexcusable considering the much more technologically endowed Vita costs exactly the same.
• The launch: seriously, barring maybe the PS3, this was probably the most botched launch of any game system in history. The 3DS launched with most of its functionality disabled, which was only added in later via firmware updates, and is in fact still being added in. This gave the entire system the impression of being rushed to launch. And let's not forget about the games. Which brings me to...
• The launch lineup. Nintendo promised us 'the best launch lineup' for the 3DS. We were promised top tier titles like Animal Crossing, Kid Icarus: Uprising, Star Fox 64 3D, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D, Super Street Fighter IV, Resident Evil: Mercenaries and Nintendogs+Cats for the launch lineup. Of these, only two were actually released with the system, and while both of them sold in excess of a million units each, none of them were must haves.
• Games: Okay, so the 3DS is getting an incredible upcoming lineup. We know this. However, third parties increasingly seem to be losing confidence in the system. Games for the 3DS which have been cancelled so far include, but are not limited to, Crush 3D, Megaman Legends 3, Assassin's Creed: Lost Legacy, Saint's Row Drive By, My Garden and DJ Hero 3. This displays a worrying lack of confidence by third parties in the system- something that was never an issue with the original DS, even at the time of that system's similarly rocky launch.
• Marketing and perception: Seriously, this is perhaps the biggest blunder on Nintendo's part. The marketing for the 3DS fails on so many levels, it's not even funny. The adds fail to convey the simple message that the 3DS is an altogether new system, not an upgrade to the existing DS line. They focus too much on the 3D, as opposed to the other functionality the 3DS includes, including its persistent online, it's power boost, it's analog slider, it's 3D camera, it's multimedia capabilties, and more. The outcome of this is that the 3DS is seen by almost everybody as a DS 3D, or a 3D DS- just another new iteration, which definitely does not warrant a $250 dollar purchase.

Seriously, I love Nintendo, and I love their handhelds. I've owned every single one of their handhelds starting the Gamebiy Color, and so far, they have never disppointed me. So far, I have managed to convince myself that the problems with the DS echo some similar problems that the DS faced about the time of its launch, but there is simply too much that is going wrong, and I'm beginning to panic now, and wonder if I spent those $250 a bit too soon.

I still think the situation can be salvaged- the upcoming lineup for the system this year is nothing short of awesome, with Mario Kart, Super Mario, Shinobi, Rayman Origins, Sonic Generations, Kid Icarus: Uprising, Paper Mario, Star Fox 64 3D, Tales of the Abyss, Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor and Metal Gear Solid 3D. Along with new colors, a price drop and some bundles, as well as some increased marketing, the 3DS can be yet saved, and consolidated before the Vita's launch.

But it seriously makes me think, just WTF is Nintendo doing right now?

ShadowMoses900

Stop taking SW seriously, it's just for the lulz...

Agreed, but that doesn't change the fact that Nintendo is messing up the 3DS launch as badly as Sony messed up the PS3 launch.charizard1605

LOL.

Sorry had to get that out of the way. Now to the question, do you think 3DS has a stronger 1st year lineup than DS?