The Cost of 120 FPS on the New Consoles? Resolution. And It's UGLY

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@jasonofa36 said:

lol people defending 30 fps. Raise those standards. That's why you're getting screwed by these companies by releasing underpowered shit.

It's stupid to expect people to want something they don't want, because you like something different.

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@pyro1245 said:
@eoten said:
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Who, aside from dedicated PC gamers, care about 120fps for anything? 30fps is good for most games except the most demanding fast input games, and 60fps is good for those on consoles.

120fps is just nerdy, PC propaganda against console gaming.

30fps hasn't been god enough since the rise of LCD where the motion blur is about double that of a CRT at any given frame rate. You have to run twice the frame rate today for games to look as smooth as they were 20 years ago.

Funny to think that desks are still the same depth. I guess we got rid of the keyboard tray after getting all that new free space.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

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@shadyacshuns said:
@jasonofa36 said:

lol people defending 30 fps. Raise those standards. That's why you're getting screwed by these companies by releasing underpowered shit.

It's stupid to expect people to want something they don't want, because you like something different.

Because you're ingrained to like something bad lol

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@jasonofa36 said:
@shadyacshuns said:
@jasonofa36 said:

lol people defending 30 fps. Raise those standards. That's why you're getting screwed by these companies by releasing underpowered shit.

It's stupid to expect people to want something they don't want, because you like something different.

Because you're ingrained to like something bad lol

I can't believe this video is getting more relevant now.

Consoles are not bad, and you're not better for preferring expensive hardware over cheap hardware. If anything, you're projecting because no one cares about your elitism in something so trite as a hobby.

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@jasonofa36: If coming across as an elitist A-hole is what you're going for, then congrats on making it lol.

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@shadyacshuns said:
@jasonofa36 said:
@shadyacshuns said:
@jasonofa36 said:

lol people defending 30 fps. Raise those standards. That's why you're getting screwed by these companies by releasing underpowered shit.

It's stupid to expect people to want something they don't want, because you like something different.

Because you're ingrained to like something bad lol

I can't believe this video is getting more relevant now.

Consoles are not bad, and you're not better for preferring expensive hardware over cheap hardware. If anything, you're projecting because no one cares about your elitism in something so trite as a hobby.

I never said consoles are bad, but game makers always prefer eye candy over framerate. There are console games that hit 60 fps easily, but you console elitists are so ingrained to like 30 FPS, that major game devs wouldn't care to hit 60 FPS because you guys don't care lol. It's not about elitism, it's about raising your standards.

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@jasonofa36: If coming across as an elitist A-hole is what you're going for, then congrats on making it lol.

Hey, what can I do if I have the brains and money to build a real gaming system? lol

30 FPS will and always be shite, no matter the game.

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@jasonofa36 said:
@shadyacshuns said:
@jasonofa36 said:
@shadyacshuns said:
@jasonofa36 said:

lol people defending 30 fps. Raise those standards. That's why you're getting screwed by these companies by releasing underpowered shit.

It's stupid to expect people to want something they don't want, because you like something different.

Because you're ingrained to like something bad lol

I can't believe this video is getting more relevant now.

Consoles are not bad, and you're not better for preferring expensive hardware over cheap hardware. If anything, you're projecting because no one cares about your elitism in something so trite as a hobby.

I never said consoles are bad, but game makers always prefer eye candy over framerate. There are console games that hit 60 fps easily, but you console elitists are so ingrained to like 30 FPS, that major game devs wouldn't care to hit 60 FPS because you guys don't care lol. It's not about elitism, it's about raising your standards.

Think very carefully about that last sentence you spouted. That very much is elitism. And for the love of all things holy, stop blaming consoles and console players for your woes in the industry.

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@shadyacshuns said:
@jasonofa36 said:
@shadyacshuns said:
@jasonofa36 said:
@shadyacshuns said:

It's stupid to expect people to want something they don't want, because you like something different.

Because you're ingrained to like something bad lol

I can't believe this video is getting more relevant now.

Consoles are not bad, and you're not better for preferring expensive hardware over cheap hardware. If anything, you're projecting because no one cares about your elitism in something so trite as a hobby.

I never said consoles are bad, but game makers always prefer eye candy over framerate. There are console games that hit 60 fps easily, but you console elitists are so ingrained to like 30 FPS, that major game devs wouldn't care to hit 60 FPS because you guys don't care lol. It's not about elitism, it's about raising your standards.

Think very carefully about that last sentence you spouted. That very much is elitism. And for the love of all things holy, stop blaming consoles and console players for your woes in the industry.

That's not saying consoles are bad. Because with underpowered shit, they can still release 60 FPS games, albeit at a lower graphical fidelity. Also shit = stuff. Get in with the times.

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@jasonofa36: Like i said congrats.

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@jasonofa36: Like i said congrats.

If you can only do insults, don't reply to me lol

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@jasonofa36 said:
@shadyacshuns said:

Think very carefully about that last sentence you spouted. That very much is elitism. And for the love of all things holy, stop blaming consoles and console players for your woes in the industry.

That's not saying consoles are bad. Because with underpowered shit, they can still release 60 FPS games, albeit at a lower graphical fidelity. Also shit = stuff. Get in with the times.

Stop telling me to do this or do that. Grow the **** up and quit being an asshole to people over things like toys ffs.

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@shadyacshuns said:
@jasonofa36 said:
@shadyacshuns said:

Think very carefully about that last sentence you spouted. That very much is elitism. And for the love of all things holy, stop blaming consoles and console players for your woes in the industry.

That's not saying consoles are bad. Because with underpowered shit, they can still release 60 FPS games, albeit at a lower graphical fidelity. Also shit = stuff. Get in with the times.

Stop telling me to do this or do that. Grow the **** up and quit being an asshole to people over things like toys ffs.

Stop telling me what to do too lmfao. Also this is System Wars. It's meta to make fun of your standards lol

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@jasonofa36: Yeah the truth does hurt i get that, but you put yourself in it, again congrats.

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@jasonofa36: Yeah the truth does hurt i get that, but you put yourself in it, again congrats.

You're just spouting insults and not adding anything. That's not saying the truth. Then again, you're the most asshole person in this board lol.

People can attest to that.

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@jasonofa36 said:
@shadyacshuns said:

Stop telling me to do this or do that. Grow the **** up and quit being an asshole to people over things like toys ffs.

Stop telling me what to do too lmfao. Also this is System Wars. It's meta to make fun of your standards lol

Look dude, I'm about to have surgery and I might not survive past next Friday. I'm an enthusiast just like you, and I've done nothing to deserve this kind of treatment just because I'm a game hobbyist. You should really consider how you treat people, and if you want a dark spot on your soul for treating people badly over something so petty.

Telling people they have low standards is not much different than making fun of their race, their age, their religion, their sexuality or gender. It's taking things to far and not the least bit civil.

I mean technically, yeah, you gaming on PC and looking down on console players and telling them "to get higher standards" means you are superior I guess, but your lack of humanity says something about you and how you view others and likely, how they treat you in real life.

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@joebones5000: Couldn't have said it better myself. Seems like most PC gamers choose 1080p over higher resolution to hit a higher fps anyways. OP expecting consoles to do 4k 120? Lol

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#68  Edited By LAtech84  Online
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@shadyacshuns: Can't we all just get along?

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@latech84: Don't you think you should be addressing that to your fellow hermit instead?

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#70  Edited By LAtech84  Online
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@i_p_daily: yeah I should have/should be, but I did not want to fight with anyone, I was just trying to support the person feeling mistreated. I am more passive these days, just don't have the energy for too much conflict. I meant/intended that in a supportive way, sorry if it came across wrong.

I am sorry I said anything, I should have just stayed out of it. I wish I had now, but not a huge deal.

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@shadyacshuns said:
@jasonofa36 said:
@shadyacshuns said:

Stop telling me to do this or do that. Grow the **** up and quit being an asshole to people over things like toys ffs.

Stop telling me what to do too lmfao. Also this is System Wars. It's meta to make fun of your standards lol

Look dude, I'm about to have surgery and I might not survive past next Friday. I'm an enthusiast just like you, and I've done nothing to deserve this kind of treatment just because I'm a game hobbyist. You should really consider how you treat people, and if you want a dark spot on your soul for treating people badly over something so petty.

Telling people they have low standards is not much different than making fun of their race, their age, their religion, their sexuality or gender. It's taking things to far and not the least bit civil.

I mean technically, yeah, you gaming on PC and looking down on console players and telling them "to get higher standards" means you are superior I guess, but your lack of humanity says something about you and how you view others and likely, how they treat you in real life.

Yeah, because you know me in real life lmfao.

Jeez, dude. Don't mix anything personal into this board. I never even insulted your humanity, and now you say I lack humanity and I view others and look down on other people?

Shit, please stop. This is a gaming board AND system wars. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

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@shadyacshuns said:

Look dude, I'm about to have surgery and I might not survive past next Friday. I'm an enthusiast just like you, and I've done nothing to deserve this kind of treatment just because I'm a game hobbyist. You should really consider how you treat people, and if you want a dark spot on your soul for treating people badly over something so petty.

Telling people they have low standards is not much different than making fun of their race, their age, their religion, their sexuality or gender. It's taking things to far and not the least bit civil.

I mean technically, yeah, you gaming on PC and looking down on console players and telling them "to get higher standards" means you are superior I guess, but your lack of humanity says something about you and how you view others and likely, how they treat you in real life.

Genuinely, you are taking this far too seriously.

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@jasonofa36 said:
@shadyacshuns said:
@jasonofa36 said:
@shadyacshuns said:

Stop telling me to do this or do that. Grow the **** up and quit being an asshole to people over things like toys ffs.

Stop telling me what to do too lmfao. Also this is System Wars. It's meta to make fun of your standards lol

Look dude, I'm about to have surgery and I might not survive past next Friday. I'm an enthusiast just like you, and I've done nothing to deserve this kind of treatment just because I'm a game hobbyist. You should really consider how you treat people, and if you want a dark spot on your soul for treating people badly over something so petty.

Telling people they have low standards is not much different than making fun of their race, their age, their religion, their sexuality or gender. It's taking things to far and not the least bit civil.

I mean technically, yeah, you gaming on PC and looking down on console players and telling them "to get higher standards" means you are superior I guess, but your lack of humanity says something about you and how you view others and likely, how they treat you in real life.

Yeah, because you know me in real life lmfao.

Jeez, dude. Don't mix anything personal into this board. I never even insulted your humanity, and now you say I lack humanity and I view others and look down on other people?

Shit, please stop. This is a gaming board AND system wars. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

God bless your soul and keep livin'. :)

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wants to play flight sim 2020 in 4k local storage... i dont got lambo money... sadly....

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#75  Edited By deactivated-63d2876fd4204
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@i_p_daily: I’m not shitting on next gen hardware. I’m shitting on their marketing. (And the gullible saps that fall for it) 120fps?!?! 4K?!?! 8K?!?!

Nintendo doesn’t do that silly stuff. They just make great games and deliver on new hardware functionality. Xbox and PlayStation are marketed like they’re trying to be a PC. Their problem? AMD and the $500 price tag. Every gen, these two are hyped to the moon, and the fanboys are the ones left defending the shortcomings

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@shadyacshuns said:

Who, aside from dedicated PC gamers, care about 120fps for anything? 30fps is good for most games except the most demanding fast input games, and 60fps is good for those on consoles.

120fps is just nerdy, PC propaganda against console gaming.

I hope this is satire lol.

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@goldenelementxl: Just think how much worse it would be on the PS5

This post reeks of insecurity. Also the last time I checked, both machines were on par. Grow up and stop with the hyperbole Ducky.

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@goldenelementxl: Excuses, excuses, either add Nintendo or continue being a clown.

And of course Nintendo isn't going to claim 4k or 120fps can it can't do either on any game, so that would be an outright lie.

I think Sony/MS marketing is fucking stupid, but they're not claiming every game reaches those targets, so its not a lie, and its not the entire truth, but if a game hits the target then they can claim it, its marketing 101.

Its just that a select few fanboys on here get you all whipped up into a frenzy, and to be honest its funny that you can't resist, that you still bring up Xbox One X every now & then, let it go man lol.

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@jasonofa36 said:

lol people defending 30 fps. Raise those standards. That's why you're getting screwed by these companies by releasing underpowered shit.

Gamers? Raising standards? Are we talking about the same gamers who buy crappy tinny sounding headsets, sit in the least comfortable office chairs, and drink g-fuel because someone said these things were all made for gaming? Gamers cannot raise their standards when so few have any standards to begin with.

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#80  Edited By Pedro
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"LOL peasants gaming at 30FPS."

"LOL peasants gaming at 1080p"

"LOL peasants gaming at 60FPS"

It is as if there is a pattern. 🤔

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#81 Eoten
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PC gamers spend more money on hardware, they could easily afford 4K screens to game on if they wanted them. The fact they actually have the choice and choose frame rate over resolution hype should tell you something. I know quite a few people with 2080TIs that disable ray tracing and play on 1080P so they can sustain a stable 144hz. I have yet to meet a single person with a 2080TI who has decided to game on a 4K monitor. If there was, most other gamers would probably laugh at them.

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#83  Edited By BassMan
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@Pedro said:

"LOL peasants gaming at 30FPS."

"LOL peasants gaming at 1080p"

"LOL peasants gaming at 60FPS"

It is as if there is a pattern. 🤔

Indeed, the consoles keep failing and provide ammunition for the PCMR.

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Lol....man, this thread is pure gold.

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@BassMan said:

Indeed, the consoles keep failing and provide ammunition for the PCMR.

Only idiots sub to the PCMR mantra. Oops!🤭

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@BassMan said:
@Pedro said:

"LOL peasants gaming at 30FPS."

"LOL peasants gaming at 1080p"

"LOL peasants gaming at 60FPS"

It is as if there is a pattern. 🤔

Indeed, the consoles keep failing and provide ammunition for the PCMR.

And yet you buy consoles because they have better games not on PC, i guess we know that console gamers are the real master race, and we know your kind as the port beggar race lol.

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@i_p_daily said:

Its just that a select few fanboys on here get you all whipped up into a frenzy, and to be honest its funny that you can't resist, that you still bring up Xbox One X every now & then, let it go man lol.

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@goldenelementxl said:
@i_p_daily said:

Its just that a select few fanboys on here get you all whipped up into a frenzy, and to be honest its funny that you can't resist, that you still bring up Xbox One X every now & then, let it go man lol.

Gonna have to call you the sheep version of tormeltdownos, enjoy living in the past lol.

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@eoten said:
@jasonofa36 said:

lol people defending 30 fps. Raise those standards. That's why you're getting screwed by these companies by releasing underpowered shit.

Gamers? Raising standards? Are we talking about the same gamers who buy crappy tinny sounding headsets, sit in the least comfortable office chairs, and drink g-fuel because someone said these things were all made for gaming? Gamers cannot raise their standards when so few have any standards to begin with.

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#90  Edited By deactivated-63d2876fd4204
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@i_p_daily: That was 3 years ago! Tormentos is living in 2006.

And let’s not act like the 2020 Lems aren’t exactly a carbon copy of their 2017 counterparts. Fell for resolution talk and PC comparisons both times. Ron got y’all twice! Now ‘Twan is back from hiatus, playing misdirection with a subscription service...

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the only people who care about 120 is PC gamers and TV companies who are trying to convince gamers to upgrade their already perfect fine tv, to a FPS that no one really cares about.

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#92  Edited By BassMan
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@daredevils2k said:

the only people who care about 120 is PC gamers and TV companies who are trying to convince gamers to upgrade their already perfect fine tv, to a FPS that no one really cares about.

I use my PC on my TV which supports 4K/120hz with G-Sync and VRR. These are amazing features that have been on PC for a while. Console gamers should be embracing them whenever possible as the newer HDMI 2.1 TVs are really good.

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#93 hardwenzen
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Imagine knowing your fanbase is so fucking dumb, that you can market your systems with the magical "4k/120fps", offer 810p/120fps (and barely any games are even able to get to those frames) and have no backlash of people calling your ass out for bs'ing. I wish gamers were bitching as much as do. Those companies wouldn't be able to bullshit at all.

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@goldenelementxl said:

@i_p_daily: That was 3 years ago! Tormentos is living in 2006.

And let’s not act like the 2020 Lems aren’t exactly a carbon copy of their 2017 counterparts. Fell for resolution talk and PC comparisons both times. Ron got y’all twice! Now ‘Twan is back from hiatus, playing misdirection with a subscription service...

3yrs ago is long in the past, and you will probably still bring it up in another 5yrs if this site last that long lol.

When did Ron get me once let alone twice? sorry but don't be a fool that lumps everyone together, that only works for cows, i don't care for frames/resolution, never have as im a gamer.

There is always a village idiot or two in every faction, that basically believes most things corporates say.

Have no idea who 'Twan is and don't care, but you sure have this person on your mind, like i said there's a few fanboys on here that get under your skin.

In the end i hope when using current gen consoles to shit on you add the Switch to ya bitching lol.

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#95 Eoten
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@girlusocrazy said:

I guess they can laugh at me. When I play a PC game it is on my TV at 4k. Some run at 120fps and some at 30. As long as it doesn't struggle to get 30 I don't care.

Unless you're playing Solitaire, or something a decade old or older, you ain't running jack shit at 4K120, not even with a 3090. I'll call bullshit on that all day long. Unlike console fanboys, PC gamers actually know better.

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#96 Eoten
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@hardwenzen said:

Imagine knowing your fanbase is so fucking dumb, that you can market your systems with the magical "4k/120fps", offer 810p/120fps (and barely any games are even able to get to those frames) and have no backlash of people calling your ass out for bs'ing. I wish gamers were bitching as much as do. Those companies wouldn't be able to bullshit at all.

Of course they wouldn't. If gamers as a whole, especially console gamers were a bit more educated and a bit more intelligent on the topic, they wouldn't have to be in here defending the big three console makers and pretending their shit don't stink. Their egos are way too invested in for-profit corporations they've for some reason unknown to me they've decided to align themselves with and take any criticism of anything either of them do as some kind of personal insult.

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@remiks00 said:

Lol....man, this thread is pure gold.

It's solid gold baby!! lol :P

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#100 Eoten
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Figures, because 3080s are struggling to reach 30fps with a lot of next gen titles at 4K. That's why most developers fake it with built in upscaling or "dynamic resolution" so the usual citizens of the idiocracy don't piss and moan that they're not actually getting 4K for their new TV. It's comical how strong the placebo effect is with next gen gaming that people don't even realize they're not getting 4K, yet will swear up and down they see a difference.