An alternative to higher frame rates is a display that only displays each from for a fraction of the time that frame is current in the game. Such as how a CRT functions. I wouldn't mind finding a 1600x1200 (basically 1080P) flat CRT where the frame rate has an equivalent smoothness of an LCD running at 3x the frame rate. So 60FPS content on that CRT would look smoother, with less blur than 144hz LCDs. The benefit of this is it's a hell of a lot easier for the GPU to achieve that level of smoothness as well.
There are also CRT monitors that go up to like 2048x1536 which is basically 2K.
Not to mention HDR levels of light contrast and OLED levels of color.
@goldenelementxl: What graphics cards can handle better resolution at 120fps? 5% of the ones available, maybe 10%? And, how much do those GPUs cost, if you can even find them?
@goldenelementxl: What graphics cards can handle better resolution at 120fps? 5% of the ones available, maybe 10%? And, how much do those GPUs cost, if you can even find them?
That's not the issue. How many PC gamers are playing 144-240+ FPS at a resolution higher than 1440P? How many even try 4K? Folks expected 4K/120FPS with these new consoles for some reason. The problem is console games don't offer enough options for the players, yet. The performance and quality modes are a HUGE step in the right direction, though.
Putting GPU's vs consoles is a silly argument. But falling for console marketing is even sillier. Marketing these boxes as "120FPS" and "8K" is dumb. Because we already know they aren't hitting native 4K outside of a few exceptions, and they aren't hitting 120 FPS in most cases either. And when the FPS does get high, the resolution is dropping to what was deemed as unacceptable in Gen 8.
RDNA 2 is a dud AMD GPU tech still holding back progress $500 boxes still aren't magic
Console marketing hype has always been an issue since early Gen 4 when the Genesis/Mega Drive and the SNES duked it out. I didn't buy Nintendo consoles for power, I bought them because I always loved their first party games. Sony's first party are okay, they're a graphical showcase for what they can tap out, as for Microsoft, well their games are going on PC and can really shine on my RTX 3080
How is this troll thread still alive? Again, it's because FPS Boost only boosts FPS. It doesn't boost resolution.
TC claims "Folks expected 4K/120FPS" but who are these "folks" exactly?.. I bet he can't name a single person on this forum that claimed 4K/120fps will be the norm this generation..
so yeah, a troll thread wrapped in fake concern is about what this amounts to.. not surprising given the source..
wtf kind of a question is that? Just getting to 90fps it makes a massive difference in comparison to 60fps, and when you're close to 144fps, its only much better.
wtf kind of a question is that? Just getting to 90fps it makes a massive difference in comparison to 60fps, and when you're close to 144fps, its only much better.
wtf kind of a question is that? Just getting to 90fps it makes a massive difference in comparison to 60fps, and when you're close to 144fps, its only much better.
On a 60 hertz display?
The LG OLEDs that everyone keeps talking about support 120hz.
The LG OLEDs that everyone keeps talking about support 120hz.
At 1080p?
Its not like the consoles can handle more P's at 120fps 😂 But i think they can run at 1440p/120hz. I remember reading about this while raging at sony for not supporting native 1440p.
How is this troll thread still alive? Again, it's because FPS Boost only boosts FPS. It doesn't boost resolution.
TC claims "Folks expected 4K/120FPS" but who are these "folks" exactly?.. I bet he can't name a single person on this forum that claimed 4K/120fps will be the norm this generation..
so yeah, a troll thread wrapped in fake concern is about what this amounts to.. not surprising given the source..
Speaking of trolls...
Oh wait, that was the One X... Well how do you explain this?!?! That thread is a @Antwan3K goldmine.
As for your list of folks, I'll come up with something in due time...
How is this troll thread still alive? Again, it's because FPS Boost only boosts FPS. It doesn't boost resolution.
TC claims "Folks expected 4K/120FPS" but who are these "folks" exactly?.. I bet he can't name a single person on this forum that claimed 4K/120fps will be the norm this generation..
so yeah, a troll thread wrapped in fake concern is about what this amounts to.. not surprising given the source..
Speaking of trolls...
Oh wait, that was the One X... Well how do you explain this?!?! That thread is a @Antwan3K goldmine.
As for your list of folks, I'll come up with something in due time...
Who, aside from dedicated PC gamers, care about 120fps for anything? 30fps is good for most games except the most demanding fast input games, and 60fps is good for those on consoles.
120fps is just nerdy, PC propaganda against console gaming.
I honestly think people that feel 30fps is fine are just console gamers that have only played on 30fps so that is all they know. If the only type of steak a person ate was chop steak then they would not think a ribeye is a big deal. There is a big difference from 30 to 60 and then 60 to 120.
Who, aside from dedicated PC gamers, care about 120fps for anything? 30fps is good for most games except the most demanding fast input games, and 60fps is good for those on consoles.
120fps is just nerdy, PC propaganda against console gaming.
I honestly think people that feel 30fps is fine are just console gamers that have only played on 30fps so that is all they know. If the only type of steak a person ate was chop steak then they would not think a ribeye is a big deal. There is a big difference from 30 to 60 and then 60 to 120.
The best way to describe console-only gamers: "beggars can't be choosers". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
if its native 4k. i dont see it having the uhd badge... that set the bar for consumer 4k content...... and general agree to standard used around the world.... oh yeah no game dev follow a dam standard..... other the windows......
@goldenelementxl said:
@Antwan3K said:
@techhog89 said:
How is this troll thread still alive? Again, it's because FPS Boost only boosts FPS. It doesn't boost resolution.
TC claims "Folks expected 4K/120FPS" but who are these "folks" exactly?.. I bet he can't name a single person on this forum that claimed 4K/120fps will be the norm this generation..
so yeah, a troll thread wrapped in fake concern is about what this amounts to.. not surprising given the source..
Speaking of trolls...
Oh wait, that was the One X... Well how do you explain this?!?! That thread is a @Antwan3K goldmine.
As for your list of folks, I'll come up with something in due time...
Who, aside from dedicated PC gamers, care about 120fps for anything? 30fps is good for most games except the most demanding fast input games, and 60fps is good for those on consoles.
120fps is just nerdy, PC propaganda against console gaming.
I honestly think people that feel 30fps is fine are just console gamers that have only played on 30fps so that is all they know. If the only type of steak a person ate was chop steak then they would not think a ribeye is a big deal. There is a big difference from 30 to 60 and then 60 to 120.
Probably. As I've said many times on here before, 30fps WAS okay but with the change in technology for displays multiplying the perceived motion blur, it's not anymore. Not only does it look bad when your screen goes blurry every time you move the camera, but controls just won't be as smooth and responsive, especially if playing with a mouse where you're not simply controlling the rate of rotation of an axis, but instead directly controlling the movement of the screen.
no worries, apparently i've beaten this guy down so much he's still living in 2016.. screencaps with no context are virtually meaningless and i'm not desperate enough to go back and show everyone exactly why he can't seem to let Project Scorpio go.. everyone around at that time already knows exactly why he's so butthurt so there's no point in trying to re-write history like he's so desperately trying to do..
at any rate, i've already decided to take it a bit easier on him during his last year or so posting on this forum so no more major back-and-forths from me.. he's suffered enough..
Who, aside from dedicated PC gamers, care about 120fps for anything? 30fps is good for most games except the most demanding fast input games, and 60fps is good for those on consoles.
120fps is just nerdy, PC propaganda against console gaming.
I honestly think people that feel 30fps is fine are just console gamers that have only played on 30fps so that is all they know. If the only type of steak a person ate was chop steak then they would not think a ribeye is a big deal. There is a big difference from 30 to 60 and then 60 to 120.
Its a known fact. Many Console plebs have evolved in the last few years, tho, so there's less "60fps is not needed and 120fps+ is for fat nerds, guys". shady is a very casual gamer that mains Angry Birds as his go-to title, so you need to understand his situation.
no worries, apparently i've beaten this guy down so much he's still living in 2016.. screencaps with no context are virtually meaningless and i'm not desperate enough to go back and show everyone exactly why he can't seem to let Project Scorpio go.. everyone around at that time already knows exactly why he's so butthurt so there's no point in trying to re-write history like he's so desperately trying to do..
at any rate, i've already decided to take it a bit easier on him during his last year or so posting on this forum so no more major back-and-forths from me.. he's suffered enough..
no worries, apparently i've beaten this guy down so much he's still living in 2016.. screencaps with no context are virtually meaningless and i'm not desperate enough to go back and show everyone exactly why he can't seem to let Project Scorpio go.. everyone around at that time already knows exactly why he's so butthurt so there's no point in trying to re-write history like he's so desperately trying to do..
at any rate, i've already decided to take it a bit easier on him during his last year or so posting on this forum so no more major back-and-forths from me.. he's suffered enough..
I am opening the flood gates. You're allowed to do what needs to be done.
Who, aside from dedicated PC gamers, care about 120fps for anything? 30fps is good for most games except the most demanding fast input games, and 60fps is good for those on consoles.
120fps is just nerdy, PC propaganda against console gaming.
I honestly think people that feel 30fps is fine are just console gamers that have only played on 30fps so that is all they know. If the only type of steak a person ate was chop steak then they would not think a ribeye is a big deal. There is a big difference from 30 to 60 and then 60 to 120.
Its a known fact. Many Console plebs have evolved in the last few years, tho, so there's less "60fps is not needed and 120fps+ is for fat nerds, guys". shady is a very casual gamer that mains Angry Birds as his go-to title, so you need to understand his situation.
@hardwenzen: This isn’t about 2016, or Scorpio. This is about certain members of a certain faction habitually falling for PR hype, and then catching a case of amnesia when the facts come out. We went from “no doubt the majority of games will be 4K/60,” “all first party titles will be native 4K” and “there are over 60 announced games that will be native 4K” to silence after the One X launched. You’d think expectations would be tempered after that debacle. Then we come out this gen with RDNA 2 being the “game changer” of the generation. “The tools” were late, and now claiming performance victories because of the PS5’s lack of comprehensive backwards compatibility. We STILL aren’t native 4K, but that doesn’t seem to matter anymore. I wonder why... 1080p/90-120FPS is cool just as long as the PS5 is at 60. We also were led to believe that boost mode and enhancements would, “just work” when in fact there’s a team dedicated to making this work. Then again, these folks in this faction said One X games didn’t need patches because of GFWL. You can’t make this stuff up.
Now we can’t discuss the oddly low resolution of the 120fps modes because it’s seen as being “mean” to Xbox. Cows don’t even get the option, yet ‘twan has an issue with anyone being critical of the Xbox performance. It’s better than nothing at all! But the point of the thread still stands. We are getting 120fps sometimes, and at resolutions folks like ‘twan made fun of not that long ago. He took a hard stance on things, and has been spinning in circles ever since.
@goldenelementxl: the point is that literally noone on this forum was saying that 4K/120fps was going to be the norm.. I think it was common knowledge that 4K/60fps is the intended target along with maybe 1080p/120fps options.
You made a pointless thread to combat what "folks" are saying when these people you're referring to apparently only exist in your imagination.. You're so bent out of shape trying to fight PR hype that you're creating PR hype where none exists..
You're like an arsonist who's trying to get praise for putting out his own fires..
@goldenelementxl: no, you created this thread.. you show me where 4K/120fps via FPS Boost was the expectation..
But that’s not the point of this thread. This thread was created to show how demanding 120fps is and the effect it has on resolution. This isn’t a FPS boost bashing thread. I’ve said multiple times that the PS5 doesn’t even have an answer at this point, so why even bring them up? The option isn’t even there. It’s over. Xbox wins there. And even if the PS5 had the feature in place for backward compatibility, it wouldn’t perform as well as the Series X. The specs make that obvious
Now off topic, I can show you entire threads discussing 120fps on next gen consoles. There are threads comparing the consoles to higher-end RTX cards. These consoles don’t hit those marks. They also don’t hit native 4K in any significant way. And my point there is that these consoles aren’t even hitting the hype YOU were spreading for the SCORPIO. At some point you will have to answer to that. You wanna talk about how I was wrong about the performance and quality modes in Forza. It may not have been used it Forza, but those mode options are damn near industry standard now. Still waiting on native 4K to be standard. Even for 1st party that you claimed would all be native 4K...
Folks expected 4K/120FPS with these new consoles for some reason.
again, who are these folks?.. this is you revealing the true point of this thread..
everyone already knew that 120fps was demanding and noone expected 4K/120fps games as a norm, especially from FPS Boost.. so, again, your pointless thread is pointless..
just an attempt to get credit for exposing these imaginary "folks" by using the absolute worst case scenario of FPS Boost as your ammo.. as stated before, a troll thread wrapped in fake concern..
@Antwan3K: There were more than a few folks in this thread hyping 4K/120FPS in general, not just with BC. This thread features @tormentos of all people trying to talk sense into people. Oh, and RonBot adding flames to the overhype fire. Luckily for you, you refrained from the hype train... This time...
There are more 120 FPS threads out there. I can keep going if you like
@Antwan3K: There were more than a few folks in this thread hyping 4K/120FPS in general, not just with BC. This thread features @tormentos of all people trying to talk sense into people. Oh, and RonBot adding flames to the overhype fire. Luckily for you, you refrained from the hype train... This time...
There are more 120 FPS threads out there. I can keep going if you like
your intellectual dishonestly knows no bounds..
the TC in that thread posted an article that even he thought was click-bait.. beyond that, people were talking about 120fps in general, PSVR, TV capabilities, and etc.. not the idea "4K/120fps" will be the new standard.. not even Ron's gibberish was saying that.. just a year old click-bait article touting the magical SSD..
and of course, you know that which is why you didn't actually post any quotes.. there was one statement in there that mentioned 4K/120fps and even that wasn't definitive.. jeez dude, just stop.. absolutely noone is buying what you're selling anymore..
You're just a fountain of bad takes lately and everyone sees it.. your next thread should be titled "the cost of 8K!!" in your vain attempt to regain credibility.. and why stop there, you should follow the 8K thread up with "Grass is green!!"..
at the end of the day, nobody expected 4K120fps to be the standard this generation.. so, again, just stop embarrassing yourself..
@Antwan3K: But you expected native 4K with the One X. You’re on record all over the place stating as much. Are you ever going to address that? Are you disappointed that the Series X isn’t native 4K? If you expected it out of the One X, you must have expected it here, right?
And there were other 120fps threads. I’ll give you your quotes once you answer my question.
@goldenelementxl: *sigh* since you can't seem to let go, this is what i said: (sorry, @hardwenzen, this guy just won't quit)
This is what you're obsessing about.. this was my stance back in 2016 before the console even launched and still, i even addressed dynamic titles and how all games would not be 60fps..
And most (if not all) Microsoft 1st party titles released after the Xbox One X launched hit native or dynamic 4K.. now those games include the likes of Crackdown 3, Halo Wars 2, and Forza Motorsports (FM certainly came in at native 4k/60fps as i stated) so there wasn't a ton of 1st party content releasing to be honest.. games like Sea of Thieves, Gears, and Halo 5 got updated to 4K, again some native and some dynamic.. but even the dynamic titles maintained 4K without many dips..
So in some cases it fell short, but for the most part the console delivered.. dynamic 4K seems to be where consoles in general have settled.. and since you asked, i'm very satisfied with my Series X..
Now with all that said, i still don't see why you're still so obsessed with Project Scorpio and refuse to let 2016 go.. it's likely because you pissed away all your "unbiased" credibility on conspiracy theories that Digital Foundry was paid off for positive Project Scorpio coverage, you saying the next Forza game wasn't going to be able to do 4K/60fps without a quality and performance mode, claiming that "everyone" was saying all games were going to 4K/60fps on Ultra settings when virtually noone was saying that (especially after the specs were finally revealed), and the list goes on..
The bottonline is that no matter how hard you try: 1) the people who were around during that time saw right through you and haven't forgot and 2) the people who weren't paying attention then certainly don't give a sh!t about that now.. so who exactly are you trying to convince other than yourself?
So i hope you can just drop it but i highly doubt it.. you're going still try (and fail) to salvage how much you owned yourself during that period of time.. and you'll just continue to make it worse.. but feel free.. this is the last time i'm going to address anything concerning Project Scorpio dude.. you're looking really sad that this is still bothering you so much.. nothing you say will change the past so just stop trying..
Back on topic, do you honestly believe that there was a significant amount of people saying that all games this gen will be 4K/120fps?.. just stop for one damn second and be honest with yourself.. we all come to this forum everyday and it's easy to get a feel for what people are saying.. and despite whatever one-off crap you find like you presented earlier, NOBODY was running around here making threads and posts saying that 4K/120fps is the new standard for consoles.. your pointless fake concern thread is still a pointless fake concern thread..
get a grip and step away from the keyboard.. this is your opportunity to try and turn things around for yourself before you lose this bet and can't post here anymore..
@Antwan3K: Almost none of what you just typed is true. I feel like we’ve done this dance 100 times, yet you spout the same bullshit over and over.
Your little screen grab from 4 years ago is cute, but I have others that are far more spicy and less flattering to your image. We can keep this going, and it will make you look worse and worse as we go. Or you can admit to being wrong, more wrong than I ever was, and we can move on. If not, that’s ok too. I’m the king of petty shit, and can drag this on for as long as it takes.
And me and my account aren’t going anywhere. You’re cockiness is going to make this bet even sweeter.
WE know the consoles always need to make a sacrifice, I'd rather they be aware they can give up some resolution quality for a better framerate. Since one has a more dramatic impact on both gameplay and how something looks. I play mostly on PC at 144hz these days, **** going back to 30 frames, I bitch now when I have to go back to a 60 frames game lol.
The best part is the gloating we can do against the diehard console people that thought they were magically going to get 4k 120 fps. A bud of mine(who hates PC gaming with a passion) thought he was going to get 4k 120 fps in all of his games because they listed 4k 120 hz, and I kept telling him to temper his expectations. Once he finally lands a Series X and finds out that his current RTX 2060 PC is almost as powerful, he's going to throw his new Series X through the wall, lol.
The best part is how he has a capable gaming PC with a Ryzen 2600 and an RTX 2060(I helped him build it for streaming), but he still plays crossplay games on his Xbox instead of the PC and then constantly bitches about how PC players get FoV and high frames. I think he's just a masochist or something.
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