The greatest gaming series of all time, Metal Gear Solid

Oh, but laying on the ground with automatic octocamo and tranqing everything in your path is stealth?AAllxxjjnn

Yes it is. Too bad you can't tranq everyone.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] Oh, but laying on the ground with automatic octocamo and tranqing everything in your path is stealth?Aku101

Yes it is. Too bad you can't tranq everyone.

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] Oh, but laying on the ground with automatic octocamo and tranqing everything in your path is stealth?thepwninator

Yes it is. Too bad you can't tranq everyone.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

Yes it is. Too bad you can't tranq everyone.

g0ddyX

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="Nedemis"] and that's enough to know how the series is. If it's not, then that is quite possibly the worst overall conceived story in the world. Nedemis

According to your reasoning, if people ahve only seen Episodes 1 and 2 of Star Wars then that's enough to know how the series is :lol:

If you're going to play by order then play the first Metal Gear, but even then you can play MGS 1 and 2 and have a grasp of the story like most people do. It sounds like you were a bit disappointed at how many questions were raised and unanswered with MGS 1 and 2, the answers to those questions come in MGS 3 and 4. It's called playing the whole series :roll:

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[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] Oh, but laying on the ground with automatic octocamo and tranqing everything in your path is stealth?thepwninator

Yes it is. Too bad you can't tranq everyone.

I have played Splinter Cell Chaos theory but not thief. I do know t hat the goggles are used so the player knows where Sam is but hey how convenient is that of an excuse to get around the fact that guards don't notice the green lights on his head.

Octo-camo while tranqing is one way to beat the game and you can neutralize the enemies without them alerting HQ, so it IS STEALTH

You can also beat every MGS game without alerting the enemy of your presence or even killing them or heck even knocking them unconscious.

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

According to your reasoning, if people ahve only seen Episodes 1 and 2 of Star Wars then that's enough to know how the series is :lol:

Aku101

If you're going to play by order thenPlay the first Metal Gear, but even then you can play MGS 1 and 2 and have a grasp of the story like most people do. It sounds like you were a bit disappoitned at how many question were raised and unanswered with MGS 1 and 2, the answers to those questions come in MGS 3 and 4. It's called playing the whole series :roll:

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] By calling that "stealth", you have just demonstrated that you have played neither Splinter Cell nor Thief. Congratulations.thepwninator

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

Yes it is. Too bad you can't tranq everyone.

Aku101

I have played Splinter Cell Chaos theory but not thief. I do know t hat the goggles are used so the player knows where Sam is but hey how convenient is that of an excuse to get around the fact that guards don't notice the green lights on his head.

Octo-camo while tranqing is one way to beat the game and you can neutralize the enemies without them alerting HQ, so it IS STEALTH

You can also beat every MGS game without alerting the enemy of your presence or even killing them or heck even knocking them unconscious.

And, yes, I have heard that you can beat every MGS game without alerting the enemy to your presence. Never done it myself, but I know it can be done. Simply because it can be done does not mean that it is the most effective way to go about playing through the games. In games like Splinter Cell and Thief, it is extremely encouraged that you not set any alarms or alert anyone-in Thief, you are extremely weak at combat, and in Splinter Cell, you have so little health that if more than one person finds out about you, you're pretty much screwed. MGS doesn't focus on the stealth quite as strictly as either.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

Yes it is. Too bad you can't tranq everyone.

Aku101

I have played Splinter Cell Chaos theory but not thief. I do know t hat the goggles are used so the player knows where Sam is but hey how convenient is that of an excuse to get around the fact that guards don't notice the green lights on his head.

Octo-camo while tranqing is one way to beat the game and you can neutralize the enemies without them alerting HQ, so it IS STEALTH

You can also beat every MGS game without alerting the enemy of your presence or even killing them or heck even knocking them unconscious.

did you like the Halo series? btw, the "solid" franchise holds basic storyline similarities with Metal Gear, but it also started a whole new franchise for Konami.Nedemis

I have a 360 but I don't own any Halo games. I've only played the multiplayer and it was similar to UT. Seeing as I've never played the SP of Halo I can't really comment.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] Oh, but laying on the ground with automatic octocamo and tranqing everything in your path is stealth?Aku101

Yes it is. Too bad you can't tranq everyone.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

You could say assasains creed is stealth.g0ddyX

I simply don't think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread like many of the people here do.

They could have made sam fisher detectable by the player by some other means such as an outline of his body but whatever I digress. Of course MGS is not the greatest thing since sliced bread and it is not the best gaming series since there is NO greatest gaming series. It will always be different for everyone. But for me it is the best.

But saying that it's story is garbage like some did while saying that Mario and Zelda storylines were better is complete and utter ignorance.

They could have made sam fisher detectable by the player by some other means such as an outline of his body but whatever I digress. Of course MGS is not the greatest thing since sliced bread and it is not the best gaming series since there is NO greatest gaming series. It will always be different for everyone. But for me it is the best.

But saying that it's story is garbage like some did while saying that Mario and Zelda storylines were better is complete and utter ignorance.

Aku101

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

They could have made sam fisher detectable by the player by some other means such as an outline of his body but whatever I digress. Of course MGS is not the greatest thing since sliced bread and it is not the best gaming series since there is NO greatest gaming series. It will always be different for everyone. But for me it is the best.

But saying that it's story is garbage like some did while saying that Mario and Zelda storylines were better is complete and utter ignorance.

thepwninator

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

They could have made sam fisher detectable by the player by some other means such as an outline of his body but whatever I digress. Of course MGS is not the greatest thing since sliced bread and it is not the best gaming series since there is NO greatest gaming series. It will always be different for everyone. But for me it is the best.

But saying that it's story is garbage like some did while saying that Mario and Zelda storylines were better is complete and utter ignorance.

g0ddyX

Planescape: Tourment is often compared to a Tolkien book.

Not to mention that the only reason as to why MGS 4 is called a "movie" is because of it's big cutscene/gameplay ratio

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

They could have made sam fisher detectable by the player by some other means such as an outline of his body but whatever I digress. Of course MGS is not the greatest thing since sliced bread and it is not the best gaming series since there is NO greatest gaming series. It will always be different for everyone. But for me it is the best.

But saying that it's story is garbage like some did while saying that Mario and Zelda storylines were better is complete and utter ignorance.

g0ddyX

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] I never said Mario and Zelda storylines were better :? As a matter of fact, I don't think anyone did. I did, however, say that games like Deus Ex and Planescape: Torment have significantly superior storylines, but that's because, in my world, those two, along with a few others, are just on an entirely different plane of existence from pretty much everything else :Pst1ka

Planescape: Tourment is often compared to a Tolkien book.

Not to mention that the only reason as to why MGS 4 is called a "movie" is because of it's big cutscene/gameplay ratio

[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

So you like your games, and we like our games, end of.

Whichever game meant more to you on a plotwise level, then i guess thats your game.
But not everyone has played planescape torment or even heard of it.

Mgs is a highly rated and popular series. So much that it gets called a 'movie', no other game is called that, hence why mgs is the best story game.

blue_hazy_basic

Planescape: Tourment is often compared to a Tolkien book.

Not to mention that the only reason as to why MGS 4 is called a "movie" is because of it's big cutscene/gameplay ratio

It has to do with the sheer ammount of text you have to read in the game

I haven't played Planescape: Torment, but first off even if it's plot is better, that still doesn't change the fact that MGS excels in a number of diferent categories, story, production values, soundtrack, gameplay, characters, boss fights, graphics. MGS is as good of a candidate as any other top franchise for the best of the best. Ofc this will always be subjective. And jugding but metacritic MGS1 came out 1 year earlier and has a 94 while Planescape: Torment has a 91, and if I read correctly Planescape: Torment is a rpg? The fact that MGS an action/stealth game pulls off such an amazing storyline is very impressive, there are plenty of rpg's with great plot's, but action/stealth games? I can't even remember any atm.Eddie-Vedder

I agree that the greatest gaming series of all time is subjective which makes this whole thread an instant fail. As for the storyline i personally don't think that metal gear solid has a good story line.

I agree that it could be seen as a strong candidate for many people.... but not by me

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

Planescape: Tourment is often compared to a Tolkien book.

Not to mention that the only reason as to why MGS 4 is called a "movie" is because of it's big cutscene/gameplay ratio

st1ka

It has to do with the sheer ammount of text you have to read in the game

So true. But the text was usually just so awesome.

I haven't played Planescape: Torment, but first off even if it's plot is better, that still doesn't change the fact that MGS excels in a number of diferent categories, story, production values, soundtrack, gameplay, characters, boss fights, graphics. MGS is as good of a candidate as any other top franchise for the best of the best. Ofc this will always be subjective. And jugding but metacritic MGS1 came out 1 year earlier and has a 94 while Planescape: Torment has a 91, and if I read correctly Planescape: Torment is a rpg? The fact that MGS an action/stealth game pulls off such an amazing storyline is very impressive, there are plenty of rpg's with great plot's, but action/stealth games? I can't even remember any atm.Eddie-Vedder

edit....btw, I don't think Halo is even that great of a series.

[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] I can't see why Torment would be compared to Tolkien (which I love BTW), other than it had swords and sorcery, as stylistically they are completely different. Maybe as an epic masterpiece I guess. As a video game its story is simply on a different plateau to anything else I've ever played. While a bit buggy, it holds up against any game on the market today.thepwninator

It has to do with the sheer ammount of text you have to read in the game

So true. But the text was usually just so awesome.

i wouldn't know, i never got to play the game i'm afraid

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]I haven't played Planescape: Torment, but first off even if it's plot is better, that still doesn't change the fact that MGS excels in a number of diferent categories, story, production values, soundtrack, gameplay, characters, boss fights, graphics. MGS is as good of a candidate as any other top franchise for the best of the best. Ofc this will always be subjective. And jugding but metacritic MGS1 came out 1 year earlier and has a 94 while Planescape: Torment has a 91, and if I read correctly Planescape: Torment is a rpg? The fact that MGS an action/stealth game pulls off such an amazing storyline is very impressive, there are plenty of rpg's with great plot's, but action/stealth games? I can't even remember any atm.Nedemis

edit....btw, I don't think Halo is even that great of a series.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

It has to do with the sheer ammount of text you have to read in the game

st1ka

So true. But the text was usually just so awesome.

i wouldn't know, i never got to play the game i'm afraid

[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] :lol:

So true. But the text was usually just so awesome.

thepwninator

i wouldn't know, i never got to play the game i'm afraid

pfft it isnt even close, not even in the top 2

heck it isnt even the best game this gen yet alone of all time

pfft it isnt even close, not even in the top 2

heck it isnt even the best game this gen yet alone of all time

Stiggsx

Metal Gear Solid is not a single game, but a series that spans over multiple gens ;) And I'd have to say MGS is pretty damn good and deserves to be at least within the top 10 series of all time.

It's no contest. Each game has amazing graphics, amazing story, amazing gameplay and the best and most clever boss battles in the histroy of gaming. Metal Gear solid 4 And Metal Gear Solid Subsistance are the greatest games ever imo. You can keep your Gears of war, Zelda's, Half life's none of them touch Kojima's masterpieces.

Half-Life is by far a superior series.InternetKraken

Half-Life is by far a superior series.InternetKraken

Metal Gear series and Zelda series...the old resident evils wasnt that great neither gta's...also mario series are great but they are a little bit overhyped

MGS could have been the greatest ever if MGS2 never existed.

MGS3 > MGS > MGS4 > MGS2 IMO.

Someone post a pic of the Big Boss salute!