The implications of a new PS4 and how can it take away some fans from PC.

@casharmy Wrong video? The settings are at 1440p and barely cut it. 4K will push it down below 30fps. Also, these games are several years old.

Neo will have the horsepower to drive many games at 4K and 30fps using the equivalent to medium settings. I doubt devs will want that. They'll probably choose 1080p/60fps/max settings over that.

@casharmy 4k is known to punish fps. on gpu bound games 1440p is posible but 4k is very very tough.

@casharmy: I can't see the 380X benchmark video.. Can you link it to me?

Are you implying that PC-only gamers will pay more for less?

@casharmy: your faboyism blinds you my friend. It a brand new console hardware wise ) it's two times more powerful than ps4. You have been duped by Sony. They abondoned you. Games that will be made for the new Neo will be barely runnable on PS4. The difference will be like between PS2 and PS3. When ps3 was realesed they kept making ps2 ports for a while, but one could barely call those ports playable )

I'd still rather play on PC. That's my reaction.

1. Who said performance wise its 390x?

2. Even so i cant wait to see that mighty jaguar CPU keep up with a GPU 2-3x better than whats already in ps4 and we all see how good it copes with that let alone a polaris 10 GPU

3. Why should it take away pc gamers. If the new ps4 is $400 it means the new GPU will launch at a $200-250 price tag to consumers ( what the 7850 was going at ps4 launch ). So exactly why should any pc gamer with any semi respectable pc will fork at least $400 for a console with barely any worth while exclusives so far and not just upgrade their pc for nearly half the price?

Looks like SONY will continue roiling LARGE in gen 8.

@Heil68: Well technically we should call it a Gen 9 now XD

Nope, not until NX releases. Any upgrades SONY or MS get will be revisions within the gen 8 time period.

"Roiling", you say :P

Any new catchphrases that I should learn from you while I was away, Heil?

Its stupid and wrong?

Hmm lets see .... going from PC, to a console limited by a controller that makes shooters a chore to play ... far more limited genres ... no mods... extortionate prices ..... less exclusives...

Yea totally... ahardware bump that will still be behind PC games is soooo going to attract PC gamers.

hahha, none that I can think of, but depends how long you were gone for. XD

Didnt Sony recently state they might not do a PS5?

I'm pretty certain PC gamers will look at the new consoles and see how few exclusives they get, and then determine that they get way more variety and gameplay experiences on PC as they always have.

Because despite the fact that the Xbox 360, PS3, Xbox One, and PS4 are trying their hardest to mimic PC and equal their power, PC gaming is more popular than ever. It's more popular than the consoles themselves.

Nobody's going to give up PC gaming for what the PS4 v2 and the Xbox Two have.

@Heil68: And NX releases this year, right? So Nintendo releases a new console and Sony releases a new console by the end of the year. Sounds like the start of Gen 9 to me.

Nope

Around two months..

I guess I should stick to the good ol' Live, Learn and Love! #SDC

From the comment sections and forums I read, there are more people talking about switching to PC gaming because of this. Not the other way around. After the NEO whats next? Buying a PS5 in a couple of years after? With those costs you might as well build a PC.

why use BF which uses a 60fps benchmark for consoles making it easier to hit higher frames?

Is BF5 going to be 30fps on consoles now?

Since when Resolution is a job of the CPU.?

Second unless the games is heavily CPU bound i don't see a problem,and that is if we ignore the PS4 is modify for compute,which mean many of those process could be offloaded to GPU and free CPU time,i don't think sony will put a Polaris 10 GPU inside the PS4 to do proper 1080p,now before the whole confirmation of the GPU i was expecting something weaker or 4k for video,and not 4k gaming at all so is not like i am inventing this on hype.

That Polaris GPU demo ran Hitman at 1440p max out faster than the 980ti did which is quite something man,and that one is 800mhz the one inside the PS4 is 911mhz actually faster.

If the specs hold and in fact the PS4 has a Polaris GPU with 911mhz speed i don't see why it should not hit 4k at least at 30FPS,resolution isn't a job of the CPU at all.

Yes and i am concert to,but i know the PS4 is not running windows level abstraction either,so 7 cores at 2.1ghz may work for reaching at least 30FPS on 4k.

Now if the spec change that is another 2 cents but i find hard to believe that sony will use a Polaris 10 GPU which has performance more or less like a R9 Fury,you don't chose those GPU for 1080p,that GPU is perfect for 1440p and optimal for 4k as well.

On the GPU side i am more than sure you can,on the CPU side it would probably get lower number of units.

A console with a GPU like the R9 Fury would probably be more powerful than 95% PC out there,you apparently know nothing about PC,most people on PC don't own those GPU,most people on PC don't own a damn 7870 let alone that GPU.

Lets take a stroll down memory lane...

We do commend NVIDIA for getting product out there before launching it. But now we move on to the least pleasant side of this launch: price. The GeForce 7800 GTX will cost a solid $600. Of course, we do expect retailers to charge a premium for the early adopters. Prices we are seeing at launch are on the order of $650. This means those who want to build an SLI system based on the GeForce 7800 GTX will be paying between $1200 and $1300 just for the graphics component of their system.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/1717

That is what the 7800GTX cost when it came on 2005.

The Intel Pentium Processor Extreme Edition 840 is priced at $999 and the Intel 955X Express Chipset is priced at $50 in 1,000-unit quantities.

http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/2005/20050418comp.htm

Intel let loose the dual cores.

Price of the 840? $1,000 in quantities of 1,000 you know what that means right.?

A dual core PC was $2.k or 3k depending on the model.

So we have all this ^^ high prices on 2005,yet the xbox 360 had a more powerful GPU than the 7800gtx a 3 core CPU and was sold for $400 and $300.

You people should stop,sony will not pay even close to $600 for putting that GPU inside the PS4,because they buy parts in MILLIONS not thousands Millions,so they get a huge ass discount,sure they can lose something who knows,the Xenos cost MS like $120 per chip back on 2005,the X1800 from AMD was $550 alone so you can see how huge the difference is.

Hell sony sold a video game console that was more powerful than the 360 + a $1,000 Blu-ray player for $600 on 2006.

You can't simple slap a retail price on those cards and think sony will pay even close to what you would on store.

So just because the witcher 3 and Fallow have problem that mean 100% of the games will not run.?

Hell the Witcher is one of the worst example it was a fu** up game full of performance problems,and on PS4 it was even hold back by them even more,to the point were months latter it was getting patches,so a few games not running fine on 4k mean nothig,alto like everything not all games most be 4k,which is why i put an example.

But 4K is possible on a GPU with that level of power so yeah it is possible.

Ok lets do this FIND me a 36 computer unit GPU on AMD side and i will use it,even Digital Foundry claim the best fit is Polaris 10 which has 36CU and 800mhz and was able to run Hitman ultra at 1440p faster than the 980ti.

So instead of making bad arguments find me a GCN with 36CU and i will use it,other wise the only GPU from AMD fitting the description on the so call papers is Polaris 10 which has similar performance to a R9 Fury on Hitman.

The only thing that would make me flock to either upgraded console is some actual dam games that i cant get on PC. So far PS4 had been a huge waste. Only have 3 games for it

Lol, nah, free online is a selling point for me.

and then they encountered the tablet class CPU.....

More than likely this^^

and consoles will just be imitations of PCs if they somehow get better.

The only logical reason to buy a PS 4.5 is still the same as why you would want to buy the PS 4.0. Exclusive games. (which is miniscule compared to PC)

Why would I pay for another PS 4 just to play the same games that run and look better on PC? If its a multiplatform game, then I'll buy it on PC.

A distant second justifiable reason is because of friends. Which is not the case for me since majority of mine are PC gamers, almost exclusively.

As someone who owns a very powerful PC, this "Neo" is meaningless for me. It does not and will not have the grunt to play games at 4K whilst maintaining a respectable frame rate. If anything, I'd expect this new machine to be able to play current and furture PS4 games at 60FPS, 1080p because remember most people still have a 1080p TV and at settings that are hitting close to max with a decent amount of AA.

I'll buy one yes but thats because I have money to burn and I'm a sucker for new gadgets. As for taking from gamers from PC, I think Sony will have to work hard to convince people to get this Neo device.

PC gamers switching to Neo? LOL, you got to be fuckin kidding me. PC gamers may pick it up to make the exclusives less painful to play, but there is no way in hell we would consider this as a primary platform.

@tormentos PS3 wasn't exactly more powerful than the 360. 256MB of RAM for OS and another 256MB for games. 360 had 512MB unified and from what I remember it also had a faster GPU. PS3 had a much faster CPU. Overall, it was a wash.

Also wait, why are you mentioning the Fury? Nothing like that is gonna be inside the Neo. You also must not forget Sony and Microsoft were selling their consoles at a huge loss for the first few years and apparently, Microsoft never actually made profits back with software sales. The 360 was an endeavor that costed them more money than it brought. Sony will not risk selling a console at a lost of 120$/unit like they did with the PS3.

Last thing, comparing what was going on in 2005 to today is flawed. The landscape has completely changed.

It's pushing me more towards pc actually. I've always bought all the consoles, but I think I'm done with that now.

@casharmy: A 5930K and 16GB of RAM? I don't think the Neo will have that.

4K with that CPU bottleneck? lolno.

It's a good GPU for the price (R9 380-380X according to DF) but it looks to me like the console was designed with 1080p and solid framerates in mind than 4K (which I'm happy with).

The new line of GPUs this summer will leave it in the dust so I doubt hardcore hermits will be pulled to this especially when it's so easy to upgrade your specs on PC.

Start's off saying this *bold* and then proceeds to post a rant of irony lol

sweet mother of blind hypocrisy batman, this guy just went full tin foil hat fanboy mode on this one.

lol you can feel the anger and emotion off this one.

@flyincloud1116 I think you are on to something, I think PC fanboys are frightened their master race status will be challenged because the main game related arguments they have is playing multiplats at 1080p at 60fps.

This new version of PS4 looks to be capable of achieving just that and these guys are scared sh*tless. Their once proud argument about superior multiplats will fall flat unless they are running 4k capable rigs and they butthurt because PS4 neo will do it cheaper than rigs they have heavily invested into.

@casharmy These are 1440p benchmarks. Not 4K...

@casharmy:

What are you trying to prove with those videos?

The 380x is significantly less powerful than the 390x he was talking about first of all, so thank you for reiterating my point. Second of all, 4 CU's short doesn't mean that the inferior clock speeds and boosting from inadequate cooling won't make that a wash. If each CU on a 380x is 15%-20% better than the ones found in the PS4K, I'm not sure you have an advantage here. Even so, clearly the 380x isn't a 4K video card, it couldn't max Crysis 3 (a three year old game optimized for AMD hardware) at 1080p at an average of 60. You think it's going to run future multiplats at 4K?

Also, stop using benchmarks of high end cards paired with intel high end CPU's. They make a difference.

Curiosity - do you own a high end computer?

980GTX In fact depending on the game that GPU inside the PS4 can beat the 980ti which is a close to $700 GPU.

This is a benchmark of Hitman running on PC the 980ti doesn't get 60FPS max out on 1440p,but the R9 Fury does and the R390X does 59FPS,the only benchmark we have of Polaris 10 is that it was shown running Hitman at 1440p max out at 60FPS which basically put it on par with the R9 Fury.

http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/gpu_displays/amd_polaris_10_engineering_sample_pictured/1

Hahahaa...........

Let start by the obvious..

Sony is very keen on developers supporting both systems simultaneously, and is motivating developers to ensure that there is Neo support in all PS4 titles from Q4 onwards this year. It's also firm on unifying the platforms with little or no exceptions:

• Neo-only or PS4-only games are not permitted (remember that Neo can still run unenhanced titles - developers are simply prohibited from locking out audiences of either console).
• All games you purchase, whether via disc or from the PlayStation Store, should offer both PS4 and Neo functionality with no extra costs associated in running titles on a different console.
• All new titles with Neo support use unified packages that run on both platforms. The CPU binary is identical, while three GPU binaries (shared, PS4-specific and Neo-specific) are all contained in the same package.
• All DLC and additional content is entirely cross-platform. Unified downloads are used for both this, and basic game patches.
• Neo support for old games is allowed via 'forward compatibility' patching - but this will not be allowed for new titles.
• Developers cannot supply exclusive gameplay features for Neo owners. If the game has a split-screen mode, it must be available on both systems. However, modes can be enhanced - so a two-player split-screen mode on PS4 could be expanded to allow a four-player variant on Neo.
• Developers cannot add exclusive content to either PS4 or Neo systems.
• If there's a bug in Neo-specific code, developers are not allowed to divert Neo owners to the PS4 codepath. The game must be fixed.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-how-playstation-4k-neo-and-the-original-ps4-will-co-exist

And just like i claim there is no segregation,fragmentation or any crap like that PERIOD.

So lets start by highly that i was Right and you and quite a few lemmings are hermits were wrong.

Dude Neo PS4 will carry one of those new age GPU,the GPU inside the PS4 Neo is say to be Polaris which is AMD new line of GPU it isn't even out,in fact the one on PS4 is say to be Polaris 10 which has 36 CU that is basically a top of the ling GPU and over mid range quite easy.

That is funny here we are talking about a PS4 that will come with a top of the line GPU and rumor to cost $400 and you are complaining about it..lol

Yes i know but i am sure that for $400 dollar you will not be getting a complete PC with one of those.

Well the xbox does true 1080p just not on all games.

Wait wasn't this what you were waiting for.? Weren't you mad because some how consoles were weak sauce so you move to PC were you pretend to be a hermit but get anal about anything having to do with the xbox.? Hahahaa

Come on man a 36CU GPU inside the PS4 neo for $400 just for laughs what GPU you have on your PC.?

You mean like they falsely claim it would split the userbase and we have information prove them wrong.?

But what do you care aren't you a console only gamer.? Oh wait is Pro PS4 so you most complain about it and try to downplay it...lol

So again i most expose you fanboy hypocrite self on how you are when the same upgrade was picture for the xbox..lol

This is your attitude when he upgrade in question is for the XBO...

Wait maybe i don't comprehend what you are saying there either,damn this comprehension problem of mine.

Considering you are an alter of possibly some butthurt lemming we should take any crap you say with a truck load of salt.

That is funny because last gen the xbox 360 did have a $600 GPU inside and a 3 core CPU when a dual core PC was 2k to 3k..lol

Wells the gpu in the ps4k is better than the one in my pc so I'm leaning towards ps4k over upgrading my gpu. Would get more bang for my buck. I'm still upgrading my gpu in the future but it will be far future.

@tormentos Seriously bro? You're gonna use Hitman a game which makes heavy use of AC(something NVIDIA cards weren't made for) and say the PS4 GPU will compare to what a 980 Ti? How about 99% of game where a 980 Ti demolishes every card not named Fury X? That's intellectually dishonest and you're purposely misleading people.

It's spec is ok... not great, and that CPU is leaving no bragging rights, but most true PC gamers will never jump ship as it's far more than hardware or graphics, controls are far superior.

I don't know all of the technical aspects of the PS4, but they are not happy with you. You are definitely hitting a nerve.

I don't want to toot the master race horn. What I will say is that you're only as much of a peasant as you let yourself be. A peasant lets themselves get worked over, perpetually trading in the short term rather than planning the long game out. Now, for some a set-top box is really attractive. For others, the idea of not having to fuss about periodic upgrades is a great simplification in meeting their entertainment needs.

With this re-release business both console makers have put themselves in the ugly position of taking away that convenience and the convenience developers gained of guaranteed hardware arrangements. Now a console is a PC with a relatively low buy-in cost and no assembly needs in exchange for much higher costs in library building, no options for aftermarket parts and massive walls gating in choice of software use. Technically this has been true for years but now it's official.

If you're not yet into gaming and want to seriously give it a go I sincerely recommend getting in touch with a friend who is good with electronics, do some research on line, and build a computer that's right for your needs. There's no reason to subsidize Sony and Microsoft's impatience, greed and lack of foresight.

C'mon Tormentos, I usually agree with you most of the time but you're making completely baseless claims with this thread.

D: Stop it bro, you're making us cows look bad!

The new GPU is more in line with an R9 380 or R9 380X. That's definitely not a card designed with gaming in 4K in mind, it's designed for 1080p which is good enough. The PS4 will be able to upscale games to 4K I'm sure and that will keep all of us happy in the time being.Comparing it to a PC with a GTX 980 is just lolworthy.

@tormentos:

LOL when did I say anything about splitting the userbase? Point that out to me? Once again your comprehension is in question cause you love to take 1 sentence out of a whole paragraph and form your own wrong conclusion LOL. And you love to call someone "lemming" and "butthurt" like some 12 year old and I've stated time and time again I game on the Playstation and Xbox and Wii U so there's no game you can play that I can't so what am I getting "butthurt" about LOL.

Yeah he's really going all out. There is no chance in hell the Neo will have anything close to a 980 Ti.

And this is coming from a Playstation fan LOL. When they start turning on you then you know you have a problem LOL.