@AzatiS said:
@tormentos: Roflcopter ! I repeat , will be PS4 lossing people to PC and not the other way around. Your links and overall logic proving nothing since all you link are ... PC PARTS specially when there are new GPUs around the corner that you know nothing about.
I mean man , CPU and RAM wise ill be eating PS4 neo alive with my already 4 years old PC. Stop comparing PC parts to PS4 , theres nothing to be compared and theres no one in a million for PS4 NEO to make PC gamers change platform just because of outdated CPU/RAM with some clock boosts and a new GPU.
1-So in other words you refuse to admit you are wrong fine be on denial links are posted and you have nothing.
2-The PS4 Neo GPU will have one of those new parts Polaris is new.
3-Unless you have a polaris GPU,980ti or Fury X i don't think so specially a 4 year GPU which is what 7970 at best.? No way in hell you will beat a polaris 10 with that GPU,a 7950 will do even worse.
Let agree to disagree,but i already won the first round there is no fragmentation and unless you have a link proving so you have nothing.
@quadknight said:
Yea I'm a Sony fan but I like to keep things real. I know the limitations of my consoles that's why I own a gaming PC.
I'm definitely buying a PS4 Neo but I'm not under some kind of illusion that it will replace gaming PCs.
You are not keeping it real at all,you are just playing a drama queen times change so do strategies i am more piss with sony for charging me freaking $50 for online play,and i heard you say nothing bout that.
And just because you know your limitation does that mean every one most be stock for another 8 years with old ass hardware.?
No now there is an option no one is forcing you to buy it,at all so there is no point in crying about it,when is not mandatory like online play freaking is and we have to forcefully pay for it.
WTF all that crying to end up saying i will buy one.? There is no illusion and i also own a damn PC and i have being gaming on PC since the mid 90's before that i was a mac gamer,i didn't started playing yesterday nor i am new to gaming on PC.
@wizard said:
@tormentos:
Witcher 3 and Fallout 4 are modern multiplatform titles that are performance demanding. As others have said, this isn't the last generation anymore stop hiding behind the "optimization" shield, the PS4 and the PC are almost apples to apples performance wise - x86 and GCN.
You're not understanding my point. When is the PS4K coming out, late next year? You think games are going to become easier to run? Hell no, especially when DX12 hits the mainstream and the Playstation has to work around all of the lighting implementations and features that come with it.
When did I say anything about the PS4K not using Polaris 10?
Why should I care about the extra CU's!? We know it is 4(ish)TFLOPs, we are working from there based on evidence. That doesn't set it a league apart from everything on the planet and we know its computational output. The only "X" factor is how far apart Polaris architecture and the 14nm process is from the 200x/300x series. Like most console fanboys, you're arguing from vapor.
Source for the Digital Foundry data? I couldn't find it.
Just to make sure this is on record, are you honestly saying that the PS4K will have a faster GPU than a 980 Ti?
The R9 Fury is a 7+ TFLOP 56CU 1.1GHZ 512 GB/S GPU with HBM and draws more power than two PS4s combined. And you think that the PS4 will perform similar?
Let that sink in...
Also, don't use DX12 benchmarks. PS4 isn't using DX12.
And what the fu** is Hitman,Tomb Raider and SWBF3 last gen games.? Funny enough you chose to broken as shit games that had to get patches to fix the terrible problems they had.
I haven't even talk about optimization what the fu** are you smoking if you don't have anything to counter my arguments i advice you to just drop,you are not looking good at all.
WTF hahaha DX12 mean shit the PS4 API is actually lower level than DX12 will ever be and has being here since day 1 unlike DX12 which was late by 3 years,there is nothing DX12 bring to the table that the PS4 now doesn't have and let alone PS4 Neo.
Why should I care about the extra CU's!? We know it is 4(ish)TFLOPs, we are working from there based on evidence. That doesn't set it a league apart from everything on the planet and we know its computational output. The only "X" factor is how far apart Polaris architecture and the 14nm process is from the 200x/300x series. Like most console fanboys, you're arguing from vapor.
Wait wait wait
It is obvious that you don't know what the fu** you are arguing,and now is pretty clear why should you care about the extra CU you ask? Because on AMD GPU performance you fool comes from stream processors inside CU the more CU you have the better the performance it is like that in all GCN line.
7750,<7770<7790<7850<7870<7960< 7970 this is GCN,is the same reason why the PS4 can achieve 1080p far more easy than the xbox one because more CU = more performance so yeah you should care about the extra freaking CU they are 4 more.
No what i am saying is that it will be close enough in some games to beat it,if the Polaris is in deed the GPU inside it.
Polaris is more efficient and has higher performance per watt than Tonga XT dude.
And yes i can the PS4 not having DX12 is not a con is a Pro Sony's tool is even lower level than DX12 bro just in case you didn't know it lemming.
@quadknight said:
Yea 4K is really taxing. Not even my current rig allows me to game in 4K with max settings. I have to tone down settings to get 4K at good framerates.
Even 980Ti and R9 Fury X can't max out modern games at 4K and get 60fps. The new line of Polaris and Pascal GPUs coming this summer should make this easier but at the moment it costs a lot of resources. That's why Tormentos claim that we'll get comfortable 4K in a $400 console lolworthy.
Thankfully the PS4 is a console so 30FPS at 4k could be achievable,unless you want to pretend now that most games on consoles are 60FPS.
lol worthy is your damage control and bitter tears about sony's move get a grip,before you spew any more crap BACK UP YOUR CLAIM I did..
I have a link posted with information benchmarks and you have oh your words and the support of a hypocrite lemming that is all hyped when the upgrade in question was say to be for the xbox one but now here acts as if upgrades were bad.
@04dcarraher said:
Actually Maxwell can handle Async, but the method of using it is different from AMD's. And that Nvidia didn't enable Async usage until last month in drivers. Problem is that with DX12 its all up to the devs with coding software to hardware usage.... and fact is that Hitman was an AMD sponsored game says it all, hence why you see performance bias between Nvidia and AMD even in DX11(no Async) with Hitman. Also whats funny is that DX11 vs DX12 with Hitman and AMD gpu's sees less than a 10% gain with i7 cpu. And less than 4% gain with FURY X. Now moving onto the Neo "rumored specs" with a 2.1 ghz 8 core jaguar and 36CU Polaris based gpu which would sit between a 380x and 390. That 2.1 ghz jag cpu will once again hold back the new 2x stronger gpu.
Considering most games are GPU bound and not CPU bound i say it depends on what is done,but even if you are right and it sit between a 380X and a 390 that still is quite a huge jump,and great value for $400.
@Juub1990 said:
@tormentos For one, there is no current GCN GPU with 36CU's. The problem with the premise of your post is that you are assuming the PS4 will use the exact same GPU as the Polaris 10 that was recently leaked which is flawed. It might be a custom chip based on it but there will be key differences which will more likely than not, put the PS4 at a step above. We know Polaris 10 will use HBM2 and we know the PSNeo will stick to GDDR5. We also know the Neo's chip won't be able to draw nearly as much power. Hell, if anything it might be a new custom chip using GDDR5 with 2304 Stream Processors and 32 ROP's. You can't just assume it'll be a Polaris 10 shoved inside a PS4.
The problem with your premise is that you are taking the only GPU that exist with 36CU and want to water it down some how which wasn't the case with the PS4 at all,the PS4 has a 7870 with 2CU disable,but as far as the rest go it was even improved it was custom modify for better compute and has extra aces the normal 7870 doesn't even have and which were spotted latter on on AMD 290X GPU which is way ahead power wise of the PS4.
So the customization done were to improve the silicon not water it down.,so maybe 2CU less off for redundancy while having am mild clock boost of 111mhz compare to the one shown,which would not be a bad trade off at all and still would have 2CU more than the 32 versions from AMD.
Polaris run between 100 and 135 watts is much more efficient that Tonga and Tonga XT as well.
36CU so tell were they will cut something.?
@quadknight said:
If you're looking for PC that can hit 1080p/30fps on all games you're looking to spend about $600. The Neo is really good value for money for what it does so I don't know why he's trying to make it sound better than it already is. 1080p/30fps on high/ultra settings is really good for a console.
A true 4K PC will cost way more than a thousand dollars since you will have to go with a dual GPU setup. Something like a 2 X GTX 980Ti setup.
Oh brother a $400 PC will do 1080p 30 FPS with easy using a 750ti.
If you think that sony is putting a Polaris GPU with 36CU inside the PS4 for 1080p 30FPS you are totally derange,you don't buy a piece of silicon like that to get 30FPS.
My god...lol
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