@Thunderdrone said:
One is a heavily directed cinematic "experience" with solid gameplay separating the next narrative beat. The other a stylish action game honed to perfection with super deep gameplay mechanics, in a pulpy world of larger than life characters.
Arguably, the most memorable thing about TLoU is the narrative and the characters. In Bayonetta's case its the deeply rewarding gameplay and its style.
Bayonetta wins for having gameplay on its side. Its the one aspect you can't relive by watching clips on Youtube.
Ive been gaming since the NES era and The Last of Us is the greatest game I have ever played.
The Last of Us was special from a gameplay point alone.
Last of Us is a game for the the thinking man because: you could play it how ever which way you wanted to given the tools you had. There was challenge, and a lot of improvisation was key to the combat, which required you to think!
- Man, I love TLoU but you are really giving it too much credit when it comes to how complex or smart the gameplay mechanics and level design is. I mean, its good, but "thinking man's game"?
What makes Bayo 2 "so much deeper" or "better from a gameplay point?"
- Layers upon layers of moves and technics that are offered to you by the hundreds of combinations of items and weapons? Incredibly large list of moves and combat styles that encourage you to either find out which one is the best to dispatch a certain mob of monsters or train your skills until you can turn what would seem to be a counter-intuitive play style to your advantage.
- And all of these elements are being put to test against enemies that also have varied movesets, hitboxes, animation speeds and weak points.
Lets talk about REAL gameplay depth and great gameplay
There were so many dynamic, tense, on the fly moments that could occur when playing Last of Us depending on how you played, choices you made, and how enemies reacted.
Whether you were playing cat and mouse with the enemies - or picking em off one by one in exhilirating fashion as you manuvered around, even using bricks or bottles as distractions etc...
Whether you had to improvise when your cover was blown in stealth and shit hit the fan, and you were able to come up with a different gameplan on the run - or on the go, and succeed - getting into a brutal brawl in a last bid to survive or popping off your gun with a defeaning boom etc....
Whether you were able to frantically lose the enemies when caught durring stealth, "disappear," re-think your gameplan- give the stealth another go and finally have the success you wanted....
Whether you just barely managed to get by an encounter through the skin of your teeth while on low health and low resources....
Etc etc etc
No matter how the cards turned, no matter how you chose to play, no matter what strategies you used, playing the Last of Us was pure gaming bliss ....some of the BEST pure gaming ive ever played or experienced. Last of Us has THE BEST gameplay of any game I have ever played BAR FRIGGEN NONE.
Uhhh, don't take this the wrong way, but you should try out more games then. Compared to shit like the mediocre Uncharted games, yes, its like a gaming Mona Lisa. But Bayonetta dips its feet into Street Fighter 4 tier of gameplay learning curve.
TLoU has good gameplay that might be perceived as something more than it actually is because of its presentation and atmosphere. Because at the end of the day, I can break and exploit TLoU way faster than I can games like Bayonetta or Ninja Gaiden. Thats because those games are lightyears away when it comes to complex gameplay mechanics at work
There IS NO other third person combat game that even comes close to matching Last of Us in gameplay... (or even comes close to having as original of a gameplay style as orginal as the gameplay style in the Last of Us is)
There are plenty. Dozens. Hundreds probably.
To recap, Last of Us has dynamic, intense, brutal, well thought out, sandbox-like combat, that perfectly blends survival horror with action, that is still challenging, and is backed by item resource managment mechanics to boot. What else out there is like it? Tell me!!! There is nothing else out there like the Last of Us.
I think Last of Us has way better over all gameplay and did more for its genre gameplay wise than Bayo 2 is doing for its genre gameplay wise
Look at how every AAA game under the sun NOW has real time crafting and stealth like Last of Us. Developers COPYING Naughty Dog again...another Naughty Dog game setting the trends...proves even more just how revolutionary gameplay in Last of Us truly was.
WHAT? You are telling me that TLoU is the first game to not let you pause to do shit in order to make things tense? .... Developers copying Naughty Dogs trends?.......WHATWHAT lol
The Souls games (since 2009) force you to be cautious with its real time management. ZombiU (2012) is practically BUILT around making you shit your pants whenever you have to open your backpack to do stuff.
And these are just recent, modern games. This shit has been around since forever. Naughty Dog invented jack shit with TLoU.
(Oh and I almost forgot one thing! We still arent done! The Last of Us has such amazing gameplay, that I forgot to talk more about the industry standard Naughty Dog just set in GUNPLAY with the Last of Us too. Just like your bullets had an impact on enemies, bullets would blow you away and stop you in your tracks. Thus you were forced to continue to play smart and approach with caution at all times etc....but in still always a fun way....Now comprae that to a character in Gears of War who eats bullets with no effect like a walking tank. God, Gears of War has the shittiest gunplay ever)
So Naughty Dog set an industry standard of gunplay and you use Gears of War as an example of what it was like before? Are you for real?
Games that encourage you not to engage in combat or gunfights and punish you when you do, have been around since forever.
The more you breakdown the Last of Us the more you realise just how amazing and revolutionary the gameplay truly was in the Last of Us.
None of the Last of Us detractors can ever tell us exactly why the gameplay wasnt any good or wasnt doing anything special
They cant explain so reasonably!
Here is the difference, people who actually played Last of Us CAN TELL YOU in great detail exactly WHY the Last of Us was amazing/had superb gameplay
I have The Last of Us AND The Last of Us Remastered. Your claims are batshit insane. You love the game to much and lost perspective.
There is a lot to love, you're just overselling one aspect of the game that by itself wouldn't blow anyone's minds and certainly wouldn't be considered "innovative" by any means. Even if it is enjoyable.
But the other side (the minority of haters) can not even attempt to explain away their controversial opinions regarding Last of Us
That says it all
And dont get it twisted. The Last of Us wouldnt have been what it was without its gameplay. In fact, most of the best moments happened in gameplay, NOT in cutscenes
I loved TLoU while I thought the Uncharteds were overhyped shit. So clearly the gameplay was a huge step up. Still though, perspective is important and there is a reason there are so very, VERY few developers doing character action games. They are fucking hard to do and incredibly complicated to balance.
The point about most of the best moments of TLoU being within its gameplay mechanics, I don't think so. Start a thread and ask people what their favorite moment was. I'm 99% sure most will name a cutscene or a heavily directed cinematic/character driven gameplay segment like the giraffes or Ellie in the mall with her girlfriend.
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