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#51 shungokustasu
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[QUOTE="WeeWeeJumbo"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"] Now that you understand consumer buy things, How can you be a MS consumer? You know that people who buys MS products?



Again with the condescension, but again you are wrong. Neither of the two speakers said, "we will have 1 billion MS consumers buying a 360," or anything really like that. What they said was that they would "reach" 1 billion consumers. Gaming consumers, media consumers, electronics consumers, could be any kind of consumers, really. If you think about it, it's a very carefully-worded set of statements; they clearly avoid saying that they will sell 1 billion 360s, and they even avoid saying that the people who are exposed to 360 will all be playing games, by referring to it as "our media."

It's a Xbox360 keynote...At the end he did say he wanted the 'world' to be gamers. Seriously, I applaud your fight in this, but the claim in itself it just awful. Let's have a realistic goal please like: 4D gaming, Dual-1080p, 120fps. That's stuff is realistic.
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#52 Mass_Effect
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Dual-1080p, 120fps. That's stuff is realistic.shungokustasu

On the PS3? :|...:lol:

We won't see that for a long time

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#53 Rip870
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[QUOTE="Rip870"][QUOTE="fixer293"]

I think you are wrong. the worst is

Sony-"Next gen starts when we say it does."

That is arrogant, as it is foolish.

Mass_Effect

yeah and to say that they will sell 1 billion is not arrogant:roll:

Fanboy

Please tell me how they said they will sell 1 billion systems?

He said  "We will reach 1 billion consumers" Then the bald guy said " This gen a billion people will play our

games"

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#54 shungokustasu
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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="WeeWeeJumbo"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]In order to be a consumer you must be a "purchaser" of that product. So, they saying they want to reach 1 billion 'purchaser'. Don't get it twisted, because you actually trying to justify someone saying 1billion consumers. Just think about it. It's totally ridiculous.thirstychainsaw


What? No, you've got it wrong. In order to be a consumer in any sense that relates to business, you must be a person who buys things. I am a consumer, but it doesn't mean I buy every product that's available; and I'm a consumer regardless of whether I buy Widget X from Company Z.

What's more, suppose 360's IPTV and DVR features really take off, and we start seeing multiple members of a household using it. Do you see how it could dramatically increase the number of people who can be called 360 users? I don't think MS will really reach even this goal--of having exposed a billion consumers to the use of its product--but I do think that it's a much more reasonable goal than trying to sell a billion units, which of course will never happen.

Now that you understand consumer buy things, How can you be a MS consumer? You know that people who buys MS products?



Your argument is missing the fact that he said reach instead of sell, no where in that whole speech does he mention selling that ridiculous number of consoles. Hell he doesn't even say they'll sell a billion games, he just says a billion people will play their games.

What does reach means in term of a business man? Does he mean reaching communication? Does he mean reaching in Visuals? Does he mean reaching of just touching the system? What does he mean by reaching? Why would a sales PR use the word reach? Think about it.
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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Dual-1080p, 120fps. That's stuff is realistic.Mass_Effect

On the PS3? :|...:lol:

We won't see that for a long time

We will see that before, we see 1 billion consumers 'reach'.
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#56 TOAO_Cyrus1
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:lol:

1 billion

watch this video


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an "achievement" they will never unlock.xxThyLordxx


Wow cows still dont get it. He said the INDUSTRY would reach 1 billion consumers this generation. If you watched the whole conference you would realise this. And he didnt mean 1 billion sold either. Just that 1 billion different people would play games this generation.
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#57 Mass_Effect
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[QUOTE="Mass_Effect"][QUOTE="Rip870"][QUOTE="fixer293"]

I think you are wrong. the worst is

Sony-"Next gen starts when we say it does."

That is arrogant, as it is foolish.

Rip870

yeah and to say that they will sell 1 billion is not arrogant:roll:

Fanboy

Please tell me how they said they will sell 1 billion systems?

He said  "We will reach 1 billion consumers" Then the bald guy said " This gen a billion people will play our

games"

So you have to buy an Xbox 360 to play one of the games?

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#58 shungokustasu
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[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]:lol:

1 billion

watch this video


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an "achievement" they will never unlock.TOAO_Cyrus1


Wow cows still dont get it. He said the INDUSTRY would reach 1 billion consumers this generation. If you watched the whole conference you would realise this. And he didnt mean 1 billion sold either. Just that 1 billion different people would play games this generation.

No he did not said Industry he Microsoft and 360. Look at the video.
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[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="WeeWeeJumbo"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]In order to be a consumer you must be a "purchaser" of that product. So, they saying they want to reach 1 billion 'purchaser'. Don't get it twisted, because you actually trying to justify someone saying 1billion consumers. Just think about it. It's totally ridiculous.shungokustasu


What? No, you've got it wrong. In order to be a consumer in any sense that relates to business, you must be a person who buys things. I am a consumer, but it doesn't mean I buy every product that's available; and I'm a consumer regardless of whether I buy Widget X from Company Z.

What's more, suppose 360's IPTV and DVR features really take off, and we start seeing multiple members of a household using it. Do you see how it could dramatically increase the number of people who can be called 360 users? I don't think MS will really reach even this goal--of having exposed a billion consumers to the use of its product--but I do think that it's a much more reasonable goal than trying to sell a billion units, which of course will never happen.

Now that you understand consumer buy things, How can you be a MS consumer? You know that people who buys MS products?



Your argument is missing the fact that he said reach instead of sell, no where in that whole speech does he mention selling that ridiculous number of consoles. Hell he doesn't even say they'll sell a billion games, he just says a billion people will play their games.

What does reach means in term of a business man? Does he mean reaching communication? Does he mean reaching in Visuals? Does he mean reaching of just touching the system? What does he mean by reaching? Why would a sales PR use the word reach? Think about it.



Its more insane to think he would actually predict one billion sales.
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#60 TOAO_Cyrus1
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[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"][QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]:lol:

1 billion

watch this video


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an "achievement" they will never unlock.shungokustasu


Wow cows still dont get it. He said the INDUSTRY would reach 1 billion consumers this generation. If you watched the whole conference you would realise this. And he didnt mean 1 billion sold either. Just that 1 billion different people would play games this generation.

No he did not said Industry he Microsoft and 360. Look at the video.



I watched it live and he was talking about the industry as a whole. Even in that edited movie he said "our medium" not "xbox 360". He was braging about how the industry was exploding and they were going to be the leaders.
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#61 Mass_Effect
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[QUOTE="Mass_Effect"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Dual-1080p, 120fps. That's stuff is realistic.shungokustasu

On the PS3? :|...:lol:

We won't see that for a long time

We will see that before, we see 1 billion consumers 'reach'.

So the PS3 will magically become more powerful?

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#62 shungokustasu
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[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"] What does reach means in term of a business man? Does he mean reaching communication? Does he mean reaching in Visuals? Does he mean reaching of just touching the system? What does he mean by reaching? Why would a sales PR use the word reach? Think about it.



Its more insane to think he would actually predict one billion sales.

That it's why we are laughing at him. :lol: MS reaching 1 billion :lol:
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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Mass_Effect"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Dual-1080p, 120fps. That's stuff is realistic.Mass_Effect

On the PS3? :|...:lol:

We won't see that for a long time

We will see that before, we see 1 billion consumers 'reach'.

So the PS3 will magically become more powerful?

No, I'm saying PS4, PS5, PS6. That will happen, before a sole company in gaming has 1 billion consumers.
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[QUOTE="Mass_Effect"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Mass_Effect"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Dual-1080p, 120fps. That's stuff is realistic.shungokustasu

On the PS3? :|...:lol:

We won't see that for a long time

We will see that before, we see 1 billion consumers 'reach'.

So the PS3 will magically become more powerful?

No, I'm saying PS4, PS5, PS6. That will happen, before a sole company in gaming has 1 billion consumers.

But Sony didn't say that. They said the PS3 will run games at dual 60fps at 1080p

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#65 thegame458
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Probably if they lower the 360 to $1, then they can reach 1 billion
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#66 akif22
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He's not lying. MS probably does want to sell 1 billion 360's.

A stupid comment, but nothing compared to anything that has ever come out of Kutaragi's mouth.

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agreed
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Sony has said MUCH worse stuff, most of them lies.

"The PS3 will have 4D graphics", now thats ridiculious.
Demonic_Eyes133

its no where near as ridiculous as microsoft saying there 'going to turn the world into gamers', by selling a billion consoles.

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#68 TOAO_Cyrus1
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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"] What does reach means in term of a business man? Does he mean reaching communication? Does he mean reaching in Visuals? Does he mean reaching of just touching the system? What does he mean by reaching? Why would a sales PR use the word reach? Think about it.



Its more insane to think he would actually predict one billion sales.

That it's why we are laughing at him. :lol: MS reaching 1 billion :lol:



Except he didnt say what you think he said. Cows are just desperate for ownage.
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#69 duh555
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wow, just wow, Microsoft is blind out of their minds if they think they can do that
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[QUOTE="Demonic_Eyes133"]Sony has said MUCH worse stuff, most of them lies.

"The PS3 will have 4D graphics", now thats ridiculious.
Rhys555

its no where near as ridiculous as microsoft saying there 'going to turn the world into gamers', by selling a billion consoles.



Pure fabrication.
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lol.

I cant believe people are defending this statement.

you can your spin on it however you want. the fact remains that, this is the most stupid comment ever made.
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#72 TOAO_Cyrus1
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lol.

I cant believe people are defending this statement.

you can your spin on it however you want. the fact remains that, this is the most stupid comment ever made.
xxThyLordxx


Why is it stupid to predict 1 billion people would play games on 200 million consoles over the span of 5-6 years?
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But Sony didn't say that. They said the PS3 will run games at dual 60fps at 1080p

Mass_Effect
I'm aware what they said. Also, I'm aware that Sony dream big just like MS. I'm not knocking MS for having a goal. I'm knocking MS for setting a silly goal like that. Sony goal doesn't seem silly to me. It's very possible to have this type of gaming before my lifetime. I take it as this is what they striving for. I never once thought the PS3 should have all those things. Sony is very good at creating a vision on what they want to do. Being a CE, I can understand the efforts they doing to make gaming better. MS, on the other hand, just want your money.
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#74 Mass_Effect
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lol.

I cant believe people are defending this statement.

you can your spin on it however you want. the fact remains that, this is the most stupid comment ever made.
xxThyLordxx

Its one of the most stupid comments made. But that title goes to "the PS3 will be able to run games at 60fps in 1080p on two screens at once"

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It's a Xbox360 keynote...At the end he did say he wanted the 'world' to be gamers. Seriously, I applaud your fight in this, but the claim in itself it just awful. Let's have a realistic goal please like: 4D gaming, Dual-1080p, 120fps. That's stuff is realistic.shungokustasu


Suppose we take the number of people who have played an SNES game.  I hope you would agree that all people who have played at least one SNES game were "reached" by SNES.

Now suppose we take the number of people who bought an SNES--not the people who played their friend's SNES, or their brother's SNES, or who played an SNES demo unit at Wal-Mart, but the people who owned one for themselves.  Can you agree that this second number must be much smaller than the first?  Well, that's the difference between what the keynote speakers actually said and what you are trying to pretend they said.  For what it's worth, I don't applaud your fight in this, because it's dishonest.
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The fact still remains, its stupid, a billion 360 consumers?
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#77 Mass_Effect
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MS, on the other hand, just want your money.shungokustasu

Thats something that bugs me. Everyone assumes that its only MS who want money because they are one of the biggest companies in the world. Just because Sony and Nintendo don't make as much money as MS, it doesn't mean they don't want tomake as much

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[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]lol.

I cant believe people are defending this statement.

you can your spin on it however you want. the fact remains that, this is the most stupid comment ever made.
Mass_Effect

Its one of the most stupid comments made. But that title goes to "the PS3 will be able to run games at 60fps in 1080p on two screens at once"



that technical feat is possible, probably not on PS3, but possible in the future on consoles, but 1 BILLION, I mean, come on.
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Sony is very good at creating a vision on what they want to do. Being a CE, I can understand the efforts they doing to make gaming better. MS, on the other hand, just want your money.shungokustasu


So that's what this is all about.  MS is a soulless corporation, whereas Sony is... your close, personal friend, right?

Can you hear yourself?
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[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"][QUOTE="FearlessSpirit"]What did he say?Mass_Effect



watch the video.

he said they will reach 1 BILLION consumers with xbox 360.

Key word: WANT. They didn't promise that they'll reach 1 billion consumers. Either way it was a stupid comment anyway



I'm sure it was an annagram to a lot and that's what they meant like "wait a second" you might have to wait a little more than that.
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Wow... what an incredably stupid boast. It angers me more than anything Sony has ever said.
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"X Box will be the most powerful this generation" Japan says differently. I think the Wii has a much better chance at getting one billion people to play their games since it caters to casuals. I don't think Microsoft realizes this.
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I like how some people here are saying that saying the PS3 will do 4D isn't worse than MS saying they want a billion customers.....

4D as we know it is physically impossible

Wanting to reach 1 billion customers, improbable

Improbable is not worse than impossible people. While both statements are quite silly the 4D statement much more so.

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#84 immortality20
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This thread is incredibly stupid.
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#85 xxThyLordxx
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This thread is incredibly stupid.immortality20


lol. because its not about Sony?
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Sony has said MUCH worse stuff, most of them lies.

"The PS3 will have 4D graphics", now thats ridiculious.
Demonic_Eyes133


Ken K didnt say 4D graphics he said 4D gaming. He meant things like community features would put players in to a "4D" world. It was a ridiculous comment but 1 billion consoles sold COME ON.
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[QUOTE="Rip870"][QUOTE="Mass_Effect"][QUOTE="Rip870"][QUOTE="fixer293"]

I think you are wrong. the worst is

Sony-"Next gen starts when we say it does."

That is arrogant, as it is foolish.

Mass_Effect

yeah and to say that they will sell 1 billion is not arrogant:roll:

Fanboy

Please tell me how they said they will sell 1 billion systems?

He said  "We will reach 1 billion consumers" Then the bald guy said " This gen a billion people will play our

games"

So you have to buy an Xbox 360 to play one of the games?

WTF how blind are you he talked about the xbox360 maybe if you try to open your eyes you will

se that a xbox360 are standing next to him.

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120 fps? 4d graphics? CGI-like graphics? putting huge ads on how blu-ray is "beyond high definition"? Racist commercials? All companies like doing this sort of thing.

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#89 TOAO_Cyrus1
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[QUOTE="immortality20"]This thread is incredibly stupid.xxThyLordxx


lol. because its not about Sony?



No because of the massive display of self deception.
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[QUOTE="Mass_Effect"][QUOTE="Rip870"][QUOTE="Mass_Effect"][QUOTE="Rip870"][QUOTE="fixer293"]

I think you are wrong. the worst is

Sony-"Next gen starts when we say it does."

That is arrogant, as it is foolish.

Rip870

yeah and to say that they will sell 1 billion is not arrogant:roll:

Fanboy

Please tell me how they said they will sell 1 billion systems?

He said  "We will reach 1 billion consumers" Then the bald guy said " This gen a billion people will play our

games"

So you have to buy an Xbox 360 to play one of the games?

WTF how blind are you he talked about the xbox360 maybe if you try to open your eyes you will

se that a xbox360 are standing next to him.

You don't get it yet do you? Take your time

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#91 DOC105
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Microsoft is dead now and yet they want to sell a billion?

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#92 Mass_Effect
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[QUOTE="Mass_Effect"]

[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]lol.

I cant believe people are defending this statement.

you can your spin on it however you want. the fact remains that, this is the most stupid comment ever made.
xxThyLordxx

Its one of the most stupid comments made. But that title goes to "the PS3 will be able to run games at 60fps in 1080p on two screens at once"



that technical feat is possible, probably not on PS3, but possible in the future on consoles, but 1 BILLION, I mean, come on.

There you go, it was a BS statement

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Microsoft is dead now

DOC105


What could you mean by that?
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[QUOTE="Mass_Effect"][QUOTE="Rip870"][QUOTE="Mass_Effect"][QUOTE="Rip870"][QUOTE="fixer293"]

I think you are wrong. the worst is

Sony-"Next gen starts when we say it does."

That is arrogant, as it is foolish.

Rip870

yeah and to say that they will sell 1 billion is not arrogant:roll:

Fanboy

Please tell me how they said they will sell 1 billion systems?

He said  "We will reach 1 billion consumers" Then the bald guy said " This gen a billion people will play our

games"

So you have to buy an Xbox 360 to play one of the games?

WTF how blind are you he talked about the xbox360 maybe if you try to open your eyes you will

se that a xbox360 are standing next to him.

I think he means that you don't have to buy a 360 in order to play it. Maybe, the guy in the movie was talking about possible consumers, not those who actually buy it. For example, if they sell the 360 in the US, Canada, Mexico, most of Europe, and other places, that would reach 1 billion.

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Are we counting Windows gamers here? Cause if so M$ is already pretty damn close to 1 billion Windows users.
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#96 fixer293
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[QUOTE="fixer293"]

I think you are wrong. the worst is

Sony-"Next gen starts when we say it does."

That is arrogant, as it is foolish.

Rip870

yeah and to say that they will sell 1 billion is not arrogant:roll:

Fanboy

The pot calling the kettle black.

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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]It's a Xbox360 keynote...At the end he did say he wanted the 'world' to be gamers. Seriously, I applaud your fight in this, but the claim in itself it just awful. Let's have a realistic goal please like: 4D gaming, Dual-1080p, 120fps. That's stuff is realistic.WeeWeeJumbo


Suppose we take the number of people who have played an SNES game. I hope you would agree that all people who have played at least one SNES game were "reached" by SNES.

Now suppose we take the number of people who bought an SNES--not the people who played their friend's SNES, or their brother's SNES, or who played an SNES demo unit at Wal-Mart, but the people who owned one for themselves. Can you agree that this second number must be much smaller than the first? Well, that's the difference between what the keynote speakers actually said and what you are trying to pretend they said. For what it's worth, I don't applaud your fight in this, because it's dishonest.

Dishonest? Wow... Why would you go to E3, and say I want 1 billion people to play our games? Why was that a significant part of your conference? Why would a PR rep of microsoft talk about 'reaching' not in terms of sales? I'm sure 1 billion people have been reach by communication and visuals on any popular console. So, why was it importing to address it? There is only one answer to that. He meant sales. The Sales PR reprensentitive of MS doesn't talk so you can hear him. He talks so he can sale you something. How was that for dishonesty?
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#98 Mass_Effect
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[QUOTE="Rip870"]

WTF how blind are you he talked about the xbox360 maybe if you try to open your eyes you will

se that a xbox360 are standing next to him.

Codename33

I think he means that you don't have to buy a 360 in order to play it. Maybe, the guy in the movie was talking about possible consumers, not those who actually buy it. For example, if they sell the 360 in the US, Canada, Mexico, most of Europe, and other places, that would reach 1 billion.

That is what I meant :) *gives Codename33 a cookie*. You don't have to own an Xbox 360 to play the games in a shop or at a friends house

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#99 VScalar
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:lol:

1 billion

watch this video


text

an "achievement" they will never unlock.xxThyLordxx


Sony Conference, E3 '06, Kaz Hirai and Genji demo guy.

/thread.
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#100 shungokustasu
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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Sony is very good at creating a vision on what they want to do. Being a CE, I can understand the efforts they doing to make gaming better. MS, on the other hand, just want your money.WeeWeeJumbo


So that's what this is all about. MS is a soulless corporation, whereas Sony is... your close, personal friend, right?

Can you hear yourself?

A company my friend? please...don't put me with this emotional bull. Sony vision is to make gaming better. MS vision is to have more people gaming. Do you not agree with that? If you don't then look at the two speakers Jeynote again...