The New Tactic: "PC Gaming is represented by Facebook"

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#51 edidili
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[QUOTE="edidili"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Hopefully in a few years, the console indie scene will develop further like with XBL.WilliamRLBaker

The indie community needs an open platform to properly evolve. In many cases indie games start as mods for other games.

Based upon what? you mean their have been these tests and studies and natural outgrowth throughout the years? oh no really there hasn't? you mean the indie scene can grow just as well under a set guideline structure? About the only thing that open platform vs closed platform makes for is this. Open platform-99% of indie titles are really really bad, with 1% being good. Closed platform-95% of indie titles are really really bad, with 5% being really really good.

Are you seriously saying that the open nature of PC is not that beneficial to the indie community? A lot of these indie devs start as gaming enthusiasts. They visit forums, mess with moddable games and PC offers a almost zero development cost. Indie community can never grow in a closed platform as well as it does in an open platform. That's the purpose of an open platform after all, to allow you to mess with your games and be free to create whatever you want.

And I don't know about those percentages you mention but what I know is that some of the best indie games I played lately were minecraft, amnesia and magicka.

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#52 skrat_01
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Does playing UNO or the now defunct 1 vs 100 on XBL make you a console gamer? Or 'playing' PlayStation home? Or playing Angry Birds on your iPhone?
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#53 XaosII
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[QUOTE="XaosII"]

PC gaming is represented by $4,000 machines when console gamers talk cost and value.

PC gaming is represented by Facebook and Zynga when console gamers talk about games.

PC gaming is represented by piracy when console gamers talk about sales.

PC gaming is represented by multi-million dollar earning MMO's when console gamers talk about the "lack" of PC games.

PC gaming's representation changes depending on the argument console gamers are trying to make.

WilliamRLBaker

PC gamers are faithful, and stalwart people that never change their attitudes or opinions or change things to fit their scenario. There is no such thing as a pc fanboy only people with completely correct opinions. Please dont act like Hermits don't commit the same fanboy actions that the other fanboys.

So basically, your only defense against childish console gamer's hypocrisy is with an equally childish "But they do it, too!"

Great.

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#54 AnnoyedDragon
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snip

WilliamRLBaker

Congrats, you simply reversed my argument; and used a hardcore elitist as the typical PC gamer.

I know right now you probably think I did the same. But I put far more stock in the typical PC gamer knowing what they are talking about, than the typical console gamer.

Oh there is a perfectly logical explanation. To be a PC gamer, there are entry level requirements for technical knowledge and troubleshooting. To be a console gamer, there are no entry level requirements. Consoles were built for that reason, to be plug and play, for anyone to be able to use one. Therefore, there is no reason for a console gamers to understand anything beyond the use of the system. Even if it breaks, they just send it off for someone else to fix.

So I imagine, as elitist as I am sure it sounds, that more PC gamers understand consoles; than console gamers understand PC. There are always exceptions, but that's why they are called exceptions; and not typical.

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#55 lawlessx
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Only console fanboys/PC haters view game's like farmville as apart of PC gaming.
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#56 TheAcountantMan
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Lol no.
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#57 AnnoyedDragon
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Only console fanboys/PC haters view game's like farmville as apart of PC gaming. lawlessx

They are, they just aren't the entirety of the platform; like some people try to spin them as.

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#58 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]Only console fanboys/PC haters view game's like farmville as apart of PC gaming. AnnoyedDragon

They are, they just aren't the entirety of the platform; like some people try to spin them as.

Exactly. Just like when people talk about the Wii, they always try to say shovelware is all there is when they know there are good games for it. Fanboys will always only tell half the story.

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#59 clone01
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

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AnnoyedDragon

Congrats, you simply reversed my argument; and used a hardcore elitist as the typical PC gamer.

I know right now you probably think I did the same. But I put far more stock in the typical PC gamer knowing what they are talking about, than the typical console gamer.

Oh there is a perfectly logical explanation. To be a PC gamer, there are entry level requirements for technical knowledge and troubleshooting. To be a console gamer, there are no entry level requirements. Consoles were built for that reason, to be plug and play, for anyone to be able to use one. Therefore, there is no reason for a console gamers to understand anything beyond the use of the system. Even if it breaks, they just send it off for someone else to fix.

So I imagine, as elitist as I am sure it sounds, that more PC gamers understand consoles; than console gamers understand PC. There are always exceptions, but that's why they are called exceptions; and not typical.

lol, no. 15 minutes to an hour on the internet and I can build a gaming PC.
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#60 AnnoyedDragon
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lol, no. 15 minutes to an hour on the internet and I can build a gaming PC.clone01

You're not typical then are you? You bothered to learn how to spec out a system, were as a common argument for consoles; is they don't want to bother with all that.

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#61 cain006
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um no I'm pretty sure it doesn't that combined across the consoles match PC download and retail sales which is why hermits have to fall back on facebook gaming, mmo's and tablet/iphones to have come out on top.

WilliamRLBaker

Sorry, I worded that really strangely. I meant to say that pc has more sales than any one console, which it does.

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#62 deangallop
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I wouldn't say that facebook represents PC gaming but I would say that....

The PC is a truely amazing system for casuals and wives..... don't get mad it's a compliment. ;)

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#63 Vesica_Prime
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It's a trolls last resort when they run out of ammunition.

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^This.

Its as stupid as saying "Consoles are represented by Kinect and Move since they're for casuals."

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#64 clone01
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[QUOTE="clone01"]lol, no. 15 minutes to an hour on the internet and I can build a gaming PC.AnnoyedDragon

You're not typical then are you? You bothered to learn how to spec out a system, were as a common argument for consoles; is they don't want to bother with all that.

Nope. Not at all. You make it sound like some major time and education investment. Simply not true. Secondly, you have absolutely zero proof that your assertion is fact. You've made a blanket statement that you can't back up.

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#65 LOXO7
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If a Farmville gamer talks about it on a gaming website, then this person has become a hardcore PC gamer.
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#66 lundy86_4
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PC gaming is everything that is gaming on the PC. Hermits/PC gamers here likely aren't primarily casual (i.e. facebook/flash games).

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#67 Tera_Bite
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No other way around it, any/all facebook games are no better than playing flash games on newgrounds.com. Playing a facebook game is like asking have you played scrabble. It's a game, but not a real video game.

Besides, anything free to play is a scam and I don't consider it a real video game. When a company purposely withholds balancing items, weapons, gear, health potions, my time, ect ect.. so i have to buy it in a cash shop, I consider it a scam.

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#68 Boomshaffted
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Casual

or Hardcore

Pick and choose. PC gaming has both.

edidili

Can you name me a platform that doesn't?

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#69 mitu123
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Even non gaming rigs can run it.

I wouldn't say it is at all.

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#70 Rage010101
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PPSHSSHSHH OF Course@! farmillve is AAAAE material.

no but for reals, i voted for "are you insane" because i have no idea what gave you the notion that hermits represent themselves as facebook gamers.

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#71 ianuilliam
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

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AnnoyedDragon

Congrats, you simply reversed my argument; and used a hardcore elitist as the typical PC gamer.

I know right now you probably think I did the same. But I put far more stock in the typical PC gamer knowing what they are talking about, than the typical console gamer.

Oh there is a perfectly logical explanation. To be a PC gamer, there are entry level requirements for technical knowledge and troubleshooting. To be a console gamer, there are no entry level requirements. Consoles were built for that reason, to be plug and play, for anyone to be able to use one. Therefore, there is no reason for a console gamers to understand anything beyond the use of the system. Even if it breaks, they just send it off for someone else to fix.

So I imagine, as elitist as I am sure it sounds, that more PC gamers understand consoles; than console gamers understand PC. There are always exceptions, but that's why they are called exceptions; and not typical.

Farmville has what, 80 million active players? Crysis sold what, 1.5 million? 2 million? The "typical pc gamer" plays casual social games. The TC (in his earlier thread that goot locked) tried to bash consoles by saying that the most popular console games were easy, casual, hand-holding games which any non-gamer can pick up. Possibly true. But it's also true that the most popular pc games are the absolute easiest, most casual, do nothing but click click click, social networking games that any 4 year old or 80 year old can play. Is that all there is on pc? No. But if a pc gamer wants to act like consoles are nothing but dumbed down casual stuff, then it is every bit as fair to say that pc gaming is nothing but Farmville.

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#72 coltgames
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i can see that just because u dont have a hardcore gaming pc with witcher 2 or crysis doesnt mean its not pc gaming. Famville is very popular and successful, also Minecraft too
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#73 AnnoyedDragon
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Nope. Not at all. You make it sound like some major time and education investment. Simply not true. Secondly, you have absolutely zero proof that your assertion is fact. You've made a blanket statement that you can't back up.

clone01

I think you are exagerating what I am saying, in order to discredit it. I also think you are underestimating the limited knowledge of the typical person when it comes to computers. We "know" it is easy to slot in a GPU into the same shaped slot, plug in the power and video cables, and install the drivers to make it work. But try telling that to someone who hasn't done it personally, so have in their mind; over complicated the process. Try telling it to someone who has no intention of learning, because not having to deal with that stuff is a argument they use for consoles.

I have given my argument as to why I believe the typical console gamer is less knowledgeable than the typical PC gamer, because PC gaming encourages learning; where as console gaming does not. You have simply outright rejected the idea without attempting to counter it, I ask that you do so.

For example. By having to upgrade my computer, combined with what I hear in the industry, I have developed a basic understanding of how memory affects my in game performance. It is because of this, and what the CEO of Crytek said about Crysis 1, that I am able to explain why Crysis 1 couldn't be ported to consoles. Yet I consistently found over the passing years, that console gamers ignorance on the subject; has led to them simply rejecting everything I say. Not because they had evidence that I was wrong, not because they could counter what I said, but because they didn't like what I was saying.

Many of them honestly believed that levels designed for PC systems with a 2GB configuration, and designed to load the entire core level into memory, could simply be "optimized" to run on consoles "somehow". As if optimization is a form of magic that allows you to make consoles 256mb of ram perform like four times that amount. No matter how much I simplified the explanation and tried to get across how lubricious their views were, they stuck with them. Their blind assumption held more weight to them than all the evidence in the world.

It is because of this sort of attitude, and what I witness regularly from the seemingly automatic belief in anything their 1st parties say, that I coined this phrase.

PC gamers are knowledge driven, console gamers are hype driven.

Farmville has what, 80 million active players? Crysis sold what, 1.5 million? 2 million? The "typical pc gamer" plays casual social games. The TC (in his earlier thread that goot locked) tried to bash consoles by saying that the most popular console games were easy, casual, hand-holding games which any non-gamer can pick up. Possibly true. But it's also true that the most popular pc games are the absolute easiest, most casual, do nothing but click click click, social networking games that any 4 year old or 80 year old can play. Is that all there is on pc? No. But if a pc gamer wants to act like consoles are nothing but dumbed down casual stuff, then it is every bit as fair to say that pc gaming is nothing but Farmville.

ianuilliam

The more accessible the game, the broader the audience. Hardcore gamers outnumber niche, mainstream gamers outnumber hardcore, and casual gamers outnumbers mainstream. It's flawed to represent a platform by the casual audience, because it is inevitably bigger than the sort of people who would visit a forum like this; and argue over things the casual gamers wouldn't even care about.

That said, consoles are a inherently broader audience.

Console gamers seem quick to boast about their broad popularity, but quick to criticise labels such consoles being a "mass produced gaming solution for the masses." They cannot have it both ways, they cannot appeal to broader audiences; without being a more casual audience. Consoles were built to be cheap, accessible and have mass appeal. Of course that's going to attract more casuals than a computer were you have to, at the very least, troubleshoot problems every now and then. Console gamers just ship the console off for someone else to fix.

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What's the deal with hermits always trying to portray console gamers as cavemen? This is where the whole elitist thing started. Somebody thinking they're better than somebody else because they drop $1k into their hardware, while the other person might spend $300 on hardware and $700 on games. It's big truck syndrome to the max.

I started gaming on Amiga and NES, I've always been tech savvy concerning hardware, but in the end it's all about games. Having better hardware does not guarantee a better experience.

Many PC gamers enjoy, or even prefer, consoles because of the plug-n-play nature of the hardware. I bought a Wii in '06 and a 360 in '07, never had to do any troubleshooting whatsoever. Since then I've spent 100's of hours troubleshooting my PC. To me that's fun, but to other people it's annoying. PC gaming is inefficient compared to console gaming. That's my experience.

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#75 aia89
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Tc, I feel you're starting to doubt about your love for Pc. do you want to try console gaming? just do so, no need to ask those "masked" questions..

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#76 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="haberman13"]

Simple question: in your minds does Facebook gaming == PC gaming?

In other words, when an swarrior mentions PC gaming, do you believe that "hermit" is suggesting Facebook/Farmville as representative of PC gaming?

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#77 Bigboi500
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^Why is there no handheld data on that chart?

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#78 ronvalencia
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^Why is there no handheld data on that chart?

Bigboi500

Did you read the chart's description?

Read "Definitions / scope" section

Consoles: includes pre-owned and rental markets, downloadable content(DLC) revenues as well as portable console devices such as PSP, NDS(i).

With game consoles, portable = handhelds.

The chart is basically single system PC vs multi-system consoles. It also debunks PC is dying claims i.e. rapid growth in PC DD.

With AMD APU (5 to 9 watts with Radeon HD 6250 iGPU) and IntelCore i7-2657M ULV (17 watts @1.6Ghz), the PC is adapting to the ARM based threats.

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#79 edidili
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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

^Why is there no handheld data on that chart?

ronvalencia

Did you read the chart's description?

Read "Definitions / scope" section

Consoles: includes pre-owned and rental markets, downloadable content(DLC) revenues as well as portable console devices such as PSP, NDS(i).

With game consoles, portable = handhelds.

The chart is basically single system PC vs multi-system consoles. It also debunks PC is dying claims i.e. rapid growth in PC DD.

With AMD APU (5 to 9 watts with Radeon HD 6250 iGPU) and Intel Core i5-2537M ULV (17 watts @1.6Ghz), the PC is adapting to the ARM based threats.

Well that's not fair is it? One platform against everyone else, even the handhelds. And the chart for some reason doesn't include mmos under pc gaming.

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#80 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

^Why is there no handheld data on that chart?

edidili

Did you read the chart's description?

Read "Definitions / scope" section

Consoles: includes pre-owned and rental markets, downloadable content(DLC) revenues as well as portable console devices such as PSP, NDS(i).

With game consoles, portable = handhelds.

The chart is basically single system PC vs multi-system consoles. It also debunks PC is dying claims i.e. rapid growth in PC DD.

With AMD APU (5 to 9 watts with Radeon HD 6250 iGPU) and Intel Core i5-2537M ULV (17 watts @1.6Ghz), the PC is adapting to the ARM based threats.

Well that's not fair is it? One platform against everyone else, even the handhelds. And the chart for some reason doesn't include mmos under pc gaming.

The chart break down on PC side debunks "PC is only MMO" claims.

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#81 razgriz_101
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It's a game. It's on PC. Yes, it is part of PC gaming.Ravensmash

and that is my thoughts.

Like minigame collections on x console are part of x consoles style of gaming.

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#82 DragonfireXZ95
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PC gaming is represented by $4,000 machines when console gamers talk cost and value.

PC gaming is represented by Facebook and Zynga when console gamers talk about games.

PC gaming is represented by piracy when console gamers talk about sales.

PC gaming is represented by multi-million dollar earning MMO's when console gamers talk about the "lack" of PC games.

PC gaming's representation changes depending on the argument console gamers are trying to make.

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Lol, I love this post.
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#83 thesmiter
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

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AnnoyedDragon

Congrats, you simply reversed my argument; and used a hardcore elitist as the typical PC gamer.

I know right now you probably think I did the same. But I put far more stock in the typical PC gamer knowing what they are talking about, than the typical console gamer.

Oh there is a perfectly logical explanation. To be a PC gamer, there are entry level requirements for technical knowledge and troubleshooting. To be a console gamer, there are no entry level requirements. Consoles were built for that reason, to be plug and play, for anyone to be able to use one. Therefore, there is no reason for a console gamers to understand anything beyond the use of the system. Even if it breaks, they just send it off for someone else to fix.

So I imagine, as elitist as I am sure it sounds, that more PC gamers understand consoles; than console gamers understand PC. There are always exceptions, but that's why they are called exceptions; and not typical.

I so rarely sign into this waste of life, but I simply had to offer criticism on this obnoxious exposition of ridiculous perceptions regarding PC gamers. Your assertion that PC gamers are somehow entirely more knowledgeable than people who use consoles as a primary gaming unit is absurdly egregious.

First, I will counter your perceived notions with this: It is almost guaranteed that those who own and use consoles as a means of gaming also own computers or use them in some capacity. Unless they are somehow not involved in education of any kind, this is the situation of most people in technologically advanced nations. Through my own anecdotal experience, I have discovered that PCs sometimes require troubleshooting REGARDLESS of whether or not games are being played on the PC in question. Thus, many people who merely OWN PCs have at least some understanding of technical knowledge and troubleshooting. I could guarantee that MANY of these so-called console gamers also have this base knowledge of computer usage, and if they chose to do so, could reasonably play games on a PC, provided they were willing to pay for a machine capable of doing so. And seeing that a large percentage of PC gamers (those that play PC games in ANY capacity) are highly casual (myself included, I do play or used to play Total War and the SIMs on occasion), it is likely that the 'stock, typical' PC gamer has no more technical knowledge than one who uses a console as a primary mode of gaming. In fact, they are very likely often one-in-the-same. Thus, the exceptions you spoke of are more accurately the rule, and your 'logical explanation' isn't very logical, nor is it based in reality in any capacity.

Secondly, EVEN if we assume that people who use consoles have NO experience whatsoever with computers and do not EVER play computer games of any kind (even social network games), your post remains RIFE with elitism and baseless assumption. You assume PC gaming has some kind of imaginary entry-level requirement of knowledge in order to play. This is as outlandish a claim as I have ever seen, as I was able to play PC games when I was 10 by simply inserting a disc and installing the game, and my young sister and brother are able to play games on the PC in much the same manner. It does not require some kind of advanced knowledge. One could say that consoles have a similar entry requirement, seeing as you have to have some level of cognizant thought in order to open the packaging on the game disc (this is a joke intended to depreciate the value of the 'entry level' that you speak of). You say that your contention merely SOUNDS like elitism. No. It IS elitism, based entirely on the perceptions that elitism is always based on: imaginary self-worth and/or typical narcissism.

You are not special because you click buttons on a different machine than others. It is a mode of entertainment, and is NOTHING MORE than that. I fully admit that the activity I am engaging in currently is unproductive and a waste of life in general, and I shudder as I think of the mental energy I just wasted on this pursuit: I am engaging in virtual dialogue regarding video games as a means of procrastination on my term paper. Nonetheless, I felt obligated to explicate my views on this matter while simultaneously repudiating yours, and I feel I have done so adequately. Do not assume for a moment that I care in any capacity about whatever you are actually discussing, as I just come here to procrastinate. It could be the planetary status of Pluto as far as I am concerned. This entire post is aimed specifically at you and is entirely intended to disparage your character, and I felt compelled to do this because of the cavalier demeanor of your discourse. That is the end of it.

Now I must abscond from this vehicle of procrastination with haste and return to my fruitless attempts to complete my paper. Good day.

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#84 AdrianWerner
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Simple question: in your minds does Facebook gaming == PC gaming?

In other words, when an swarrior mentions PC gaming, do you believe that "hermit" is suggesting Facebook/Farmville as representative of PC gaming?

haberman13

It is a viable piece of pcgaming. Nothng to be ashamed about. Especially when plenty of browser games put majority of console "core" titles to shame when it comes to depth and complexity.

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#85 ultraking
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Don't have a facebook, and just recently cancelled my myspace.. I doubt either service will ever have any games I like
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#86 AdrianWerner
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[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

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ianuilliam

Congrats, you simply reversed my argument; and used a hardcore elitist as the typical PC gamer.

I know right now you probably think I did the same. But I put far more stock in the typical PC gamer knowing what they are talking about, than the typical console gamer.

Oh there is a perfectly logical explanation. To be a PC gamer, there are entry level requirements for technical knowledge and troubleshooting. To be a console gamer, there are no entry level requirements. Consoles were built for that reason, to be plug and play, for anyone to be able to use one. Therefore, there is no reason for a console gamers to understand anything beyond the use of the system. Even if it breaks, they just send it off for someone else to fix.

So I imagine, as elitist as I am sure it sounds, that more PC gamers understand consoles; than console gamers understand PC. There are always exceptions, but that's why they are called exceptions; and not typical.

Farmville has what, 80 million active players? Crysis sold what, 1.5 million? 2 million? The "typical pc gamer" plays casual social games. The TC (in his earlier thread that goot locked) tried to bash consoles by saying that the most popular console games were easy, casual, hand-holding games which any non-gamer can pick up. Possibly true. But it's also true that the most popular pc games are the absolute easiest, most casual, do nothing but click click click, social networking games that any 4 year old or 80 year old can play. Is that all there is on pc? No. But if a pc gamer wants to act like consoles are nothing but dumbed down casual stuff, then it is every bit as fair to say that pc gaming is nothing but Farmville.

Farmville has 13 mln users and it isn't the most popular facebook game anymore. Cityville is, which is far deeper and more complex.

Funny, because as times goes by even in browser games users want more and more complexity, while in console gaming with each year core dies more and more and people are demanding simplier and more casual experiences.

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#87 AdrianWerner
Member since 2003 • 28441 Posts

[QUOTE="edidili"]

Casual

or Hardcore

Pick and choose. PC gaming has both.

Boomshaffted

Can you name me a platform that doesn't?

iPhone :)

That said, no platform has anywhere near as wide spread as PC does. You can find the most casual titles in the industry on PC, but at the same time PC is also home to titles far more complex than anything on consoles

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#88 amirzaim
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I have FB account, but i hate facebook games, too overrated for me. Being a die-hard gamer is not like a some people who only play facebook games and being a die-hard gamer is more than facebook games!
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#89 CwlHeddwyn
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]It's a game. It's on PC. Yes, it is part of PC gaming.

true but nobody buys a quadcore i7, 8GB of corsair RAM and a GTX580 to play farmville.
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#90 Lucianu
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]It's a game. It's on PC. Yes, it is part of PC gaming.CwlHeddwyn
true but nobody buys a quadcore i7, 8GB of corsair RAM and a GTX580 to play farmville.

They buy that to have a choice to play real High Definition games.

That don't mean they limit themself to only that. Why would anyone purposely limit themselfs? Why would anyone purposely put chains on their hands?

There's no logic to that, no matter what taste anyone has.

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#91 KalDurenik
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And also... console include DLC while PC dont \o/. Anyway. PC include everything and that is the thing that is good with a PC. we can use a tv, we can use a controller, we can play facebook games, hardcore games, casual games, indie games or anything we want because its a open platform \o/.
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#92 AnnoyedDragon
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thesmiter

The above sounds more like a vent than a counter argument. You've taken offence to my comments, and the above is your "reaction". Quite frankly I'm not motivated to read through most of that, most of it is just venting and personal attacks, so I'll skim to the highlights I can see.

First, don't you think I would have taken into account that console gamers would own computers? Most of them wouldn't be posting on here without one. But there is a difference between purchasing a pre-packaged computer, and building one from scratch. The former is a solution for the sort of person who wants something that "just works", rather than someone who cares about the performance of each individual component. There is a world of difference in knowledge requirements between someone who selects each individual component and constructs it themselves, and someone who grabs a PC off a shelf; so they can use the Internet and word.

Being able to install and play a game on a brand name computer, is not equvilent to the knowledge of dedicated PC gamer.

Secondly, it's not a assumption. Being a PC gamer has higher entry level requirements than being a console gamer. Just because you take offence to this concept, doesn't make it a lie. In fact, you can ask most console gamers and they will tell you themselves. They use it as a criticism against PC gaming.

That's what I could skim from your rant.

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#93 N30F3N1X
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@thesmiter

A few quotes I'd like you to elaborate on

PC gamer: What is your GPU?

Console gamer: I don't know, how do I see it?

Or even

Console gamer: We all hear of X360 and PS3 doing 720p and 1080p, but how comes we never hear of PC doing those resolutions?

Entry knowledge? Go figure ;)

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#94 clone01
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I think you are exagerating what I am saying, in order to discredit it. I also think you are underestimating the limited knowledge of the typical person when it comes to computers. We "know" it is easy to slot in a GPU into the same shaped slot, plug in the power and video cables, and install the drivers to make it work. But try telling that to someone who hasn't done it personally, so have in their mind; over complicated the process. Try telling it to someone who has no intention of learning, because not having to deal with that stuff is a argument they use for consoles.

I have given my argument as to why I believe the typical console gamer is less knowledgeable than the typical PC gamer, because PC gaming encourages learning; where as console gaming does not. You have simply outright rejected the idea without attempting to counter it, I ask that you do so.

For example. By having to upgrade my computer, combined with what I hear in the industry, I have developed a basic understanding of how memory affects my in game performance. It is because of this, and what the CEO of Crytek said about Crysis 1, that I am able to explain why Crysis 1 couldn't be ported to consoles. Yet I consistently found over the passing years, that console gamers ignorance on the subject; has led to them simply rejecting everything I say. Not because they had evidence that I was wrong, not because they could counter what I said, but because they didn't like what I was saying.

Many of them honestly believed that levels designed for PC systems with a 2GB configuration, and designed to load the entire core level into memory, could simply be "optimized" to run on consoles "somehow". As if optimization is a form of magic that allows you to make consoles 256mb of ram perform like four times that amount. No matter how much I simplified the explanation and tried to get across how lubricious their views were, they stuck with them. Their blind assumption held more weight to them than all the evidence in the world.

It is because of this sort of attitude, and what I witness regularly from the seemingly automatic belief in anything their 1st parties say, that I coined this phrase.AnnoyedDragon

Why would I need to refute a flawed argument in the first place. Again, all you've made is assumption...nothing more.

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#95 N30F3N1X
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Why would I need to refute a flawed argument in the first place. Again, all you've made is assumption...nothing more.

clone01

Assumptions?

Because consolites saying Crysis 1 could be done on consoles never happened, right?

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#96 clone01
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[QUOTE="clone01"]

Why would I need to refute a flawed argument in the first place. Again, all you've made is assumption...nothing more.

N30F3N1X

Assumptions?

Because consolites saying Crysis 1 could be done on consoles never happened, right?

They sure did. That's an assumption as well. One I certainly don't agree with.

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#97 organic_machine
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Pc gaming isn't limited to "enthusiast" gaming. As long as you're playing a gaming using a personal computing device (be it desktop, laptop, ipad, etc) then it's considered PC gaming in my opinion.

Being represented by? What a strange question to ask. Farmville doesn't represent my tastes as a PC gamer. But that doesn't mean millions of people playing farmville suddenly don't count.

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#98 N30F3N1X
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They sure did. That's an assumption as well. One I certainly don't agree with.

clone01

Then how can you say what AD posted is flawed when evidence is so alarmingly close to his "assumptions"? Have you ever seen PC gamers say as much misinformed crap as the typical SW natural born consolite?

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#99 SkyWard20
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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Just post a picture of the kinect with a link to the sales, and that will be the end of that.

WilliamRLBaker

Just post a link to the pie charts hermits have used recently where facebook gaming and mmo's and cell phone/tablet games have become dominate just so they could prove PC gaming is bigger and or made more money.

MMO's don't count... why, exactly?
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#100 dRuGGeRnaUt
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[QUOTE="XaosII"]

PC gaming is represented by $4,000 machines when console gamers talk cost and value.

PC gaming is represented by Facebook and Zynga when console gamers talk about games.

PC gaming is represented by piracy when console gamers talk about sales.

PC gaming is represented by multi-million dollar earning MMO's when console gamers talk about the "lack" of PC games.

PC gaming's representation changes depending on the argument console gamers are trying to make.

An just today 10 hermit threads about how "pc gaming is making more money than consoles" and that "pie chart" included phone/ipod games, and facebook/flash games. The hermits have NO PROBLEM citing those as a major part of gaming in their "Better than consoles" threads. Face is, all fanboys do this, dont act like hermit aren't doing it. Aside from that i agree with your statements about console fanboys arguments against pc's, i find it funny as well