The New Tactic: "PC Gaming is represented by Facebook"

[QUOTE="clone01"]

They sure did. That's an assumption as well. One I certainly don't agree with.

N30F3N1X

Then how can you say what AD posted is flawed when evidence is so alarmingly close to his "assumptions"? Have you ever seen PC gamers say as much misinformed crap as the typical SW natural born consolite?

I've seen all manner of people on this site say ridiculous things. And what "evidence?" Do you have a link? Some form of data, or again just the assumption "most people won't take the time."

[QUOTE="clone01"]

They sure did. That's an assumption as well. One I certainly don't agree with.

N30F3N1X

Then how can you say what AD posted is flawed when evidence is so alarmingly close to his "assumptions"? Have you ever seen PC gamers say as much misinformed crap as the typical SW natural born consolite?

I have given my argument as to why I believe the typical console gamer is less knowledgeable than the typical PC gamer, because PC gaming encourages learning; where as console gaming does not. You have simply outright rejected the idea without attempting to counter it, I ask that you do so.

AnnoyedDragon

Sure, PC gamers know more about PC and how computer systems to work. But I'd be hesistant to extend it any further than that.

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Congrats, you simply reversed my argument; and used a hardcore elitist as the typical PC gamer.

I know right now you probably think I did the same. But I put far more stock in the typical PC gamer knowing what they are talking about, than the typical console gamer.

Oh there is a perfectly logical explanation. To be a PC gamer, there are entry level requirements for technical knowledge and troubleshooting. To be a console gamer, there are no entry level requirements. Consoles were built for that reason, to be plug and play, for anyone to be able to use one. Therefore, there is no reason for a console gamers to understand anything beyond the use of the system. Even if it breaks, they just send it off for someone else to fix.

So I imagine, as elitist as I am sure it sounds, that more PC gamers understand consoles; than console gamers understand PC. There are always exceptions, but that's why they are called exceptions; and not typical.

AdrianWerner

Funny, because as times goes by even in browser games users want more and more complexity, while in console gaming with each year core dies more and more and people are demanding simplier and more casual experiences.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

PC gaming is represented by $4,000 machines when console gamers talk cost and value.

PC gaming is represented by Facebook and Zynga when console gamers talk about games.

PC gaming is represented by piracy when console gamers talk about sales.

PC gaming is represented by multi-million dollar earning MMO's when console gamers talk about the "lack" of PC games.

PC gaming's representation changes depending on the argument console gamers are trying to make.

dRuGGeRnaUt

You seem to have some understanding issues,that chart showed that the PC market(Retail/DD/MMO) is at 30% and all the consoles together (like home consoles and all handhelds,and including all the casual stuff unlike on the 30% of the PC)are at 43%,wich means that the PC alone is close to the revenue of all the consoles in existence this gen,and that´s with you gimping the other slices of the pie that pertain to the PC as well,otherwise it would be ahead.

It´s pretty amusing if you ask me. :lol:

Why would I need to refute a flawed argument in the first place. Again, all you've made is assumption...nothing more.

clone01

To demonstrate why it is a flawed argument? There is no reason for me to take your criticisms seriously, when you won't elaborate on what exactly is flawed about my argument.

The thing is, as N30F3N1X demonstrated, we have all had experiences that demonstrated to us the knowledge gap between the typical console and PC gamer. So it's not just speculation on my part, being in SW; I've had numerous experiences were the gap was demonstrated. I've explained something with technical backing, only for a consolite to discard it; on the basis of their made up scenario apparently has more credibility.

I can give a technical explanation, provide sources, and even put together a diagram to explain something. It still gets rejected, because what I have come to expect from the console crowed is rationalizations without logical basis. The performance of their systems isn't measured in flops, it's measured in hype. The more hyped they are, the more powerful their system. A PC gamer looks at the 256mb vram, and laughs at suggestions consoles can relicate PC texture quality, and they get called elitist for it.

Elitist for rejecting the idea that the mysterious powers of optimization enables consoles to keep up with PC.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="cain006"]

That chart also says that direct download and retail pc sales destroy any single console in sales, with over half of all th console sales combined.

Really now? Then let´s looks at the chart:

So,even if we take out casual game portals and the social networks that you metioned so much,the PC gaming slices have 30%(MMO´s,Retail and download) against the 43 % of all consoles together. So,no single console alone does 30%...and this is with the PC side being gimped by not including social networks and casual gaming portals,bevause those 43% of the consoles include all the casual stuff as well...

And let´s not forget that this is only for the US,a market that surely isn´t the PC´s strongest.

So please,stop saying the usual b******t you always do,you only make yourself look bad.

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

[QUOTE="clone01"]

They sure did. That's an assumption as well. One I certainly don't agree with.

clone01

Then how can you say what AD posted is flawed when evidence is so alarmingly close to his "assumptions"? Have you ever seen PC gamers say as much misinformed crap as the typical SW natural born consolite?

I've seen all manner of people on this site say ridiculous things. And what "evidence?" Do you have a link? Some form of data, or again just the assumption "most people won't take the time."

Link?

Crysis warhead vs uncharted 2
Killzone 3 vs Crysis 1 "Icy showdown"
The best graphics on console is...
RDR is the Graphics King
Is PS3 version of Crysis 2 the best looking PS3 game?
PS3 exclusives are still the best looking console games
Lens of Truth: Killzone 3 vs. Crysis 2
Digital Foundry 360 vs PS3
GOW3 Graphics
Starcraft 2 is an MMO
Can PC do HD gaming yet?

To demonstrate why it is a flawed argument? There is no reason for me to take your criticisms seriously, when you won't elaborate on what exactly is flawed about my argument.

The thing is, as N30F3N1X demonstrated, we have all had experiences that demonstrated to us the knowledge gap between the typical console and PC gamer. So it's not just speculation on my part, being in SW; I've had numerous experiences were the gap was demonstrated. I've explained something with technical backing, only for a consolite to discard it; on the basis of their made up scenario apparently has more credibility.

I can give a technical explanation, provide sources, and even put together a diagram to explain something. It still gets rejected, because what I have come to expect from the console crowed is rationalizations without logical basis. The performance of their systems isn't measured in flops, it's measured in hype. The more hyped they are, the more powerful their system. A PC gamer looks at the 256mb vram, and laughs at suggestions consoles can relicate PC texture quality, and they get called elitist for it.

Elitist for rejecting the idea that the mysterious powers of optimization enables consoles to keep up with PC.

AnnoyedDragon

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

I have given my argument as to why I believe the typical console gamer is less knowledgeable than the typical PC gamer, because PC gaming encourages learning; where as console gaming does not. You have simply outright rejected the idea without attempting to counter it, I ask that you do so.

Kickinurass

Sure, PC gamers know more about PC and how computer systems to work. But I'd be hesistant to extend it any further than that.

Exactly.

The problem with elitist hermits is that they believe the hardware makes the gamer, as opposed to the games. Then they turn around and complain about consolization in their fav PC games. Why bother with the expensive hardware if you're just gonna be playing games designed for consoles at higher res with AA?

Anybody, I mean even your grandma, can go to Best Buy, Alienware.com, or a PC boutique and get a solid gaming PC, along with dirt cheap tech support. There is no base level of knowledge and skill required to be a PC gamer. The idea that PC gamers are more intelligent is nonsense. Pure elitism.

Link?

Crysis warhead vs uncharted 2
Killzone 3 vs Crysis 1 "Icy showdown"
The best graphics on console is...
RDR is the Graphics King
Is PS3 version of Crysis 2 the best looking PS3 game?
PS3 exclusives are still the best looking console games
Lens of Truth: Killzone 3 vs. Crysis 2
Digital Foundry 360 vs PS3
GOW3 Graphics
Starcraft 2 is an MMO
Can PC do HD gaming yet?

N30F3N1X

Huh? These are game comparisons. What does this have to do with the argument at hand?

And just like that, you make implications about the general intelligence of a userbase based on what kind of system they prefer...SkyWard20

Look at the links I've posted above and tell me there's nothing in common among the misinformed people.

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]Link?

Crysis warhead vs uncharted 2
Killzone 3 vs Crysis 1 "Icy showdown"
The best graphics on console is...
RDR is the Graphics King
Is PS3 version of Crysis 2 the best looking PS3 game?
PS3 exclusives are still the best looking console games
Lens of Truth: Killzone 3 vs. Crysis 2
Digital Foundry 360 vs PS3
GOW3 Graphics
Starcraft 2 is an MMO
Can PC do HD gaming yet?

clone01

Huh? These are game comparisons. What does this have to do with the argument at hand?

I've seen all manner of people on this site say ridiculous things. And what "evidence?" Do you have a link? Some form of data, or again just the assumption "most people won't take the time."

clone01

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"] And just like that, you make implications about the general intelligence of a userbase based on what kind of system they prefer...N30F3N1X

Look at the links I've posted above and tell me there's nothing in common among the misinformed people.

Again, that has absolutely nothing to do with the argument. Its fine if you want to group one brand of fanboy as "worse" than the other based on those links, but that doesn't prove in the slightest that there is some great barrier of entry into PC gaming because someone won't go on the internet and research for 45 minutes.

Again, that has absolutely nothing to do with the argument. Its fine if you want to group one brand of fanboy as "worse" than the other based on those links, but that doesn't prove in the slightest that there is some great barrier of entry into PC gaming because someone won't go on the internet and research for 45 minutes.

clone01

I'm not branding anything. I know there's no entry barrier either, I started PC gaming with Starcraft at age 6. AD later corrected that by saying PC gaming encourages learning while console gaming does not.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]Link?

Crysis warhead vs uncharted 2
Killzone 3 vs Crysis 1 "Icy showdown"
The best graphics on console is...
RDR is the Graphics King
Is PS3 version of Crysis 2 the best looking PS3 game?
PS3 exclusives are still the best looking console games
Lens of Truth: Killzone 3 vs. Crysis 2
Digital Foundry 360 vs PS3
GOW3 Graphics
Starcraft 2 is an MMO
Can PC do HD gaming yet?

N30F3N1X

Huh? These are game comparisons. What does this have to do with the argument at hand?

I've seen all manner of people on this site say ridiculous things. And what "evidence?" Do you have a link? Some form of data, or again just the assumption "most people won't take the time."

clone01

sorry, but that wasn't the original argument. at any rate: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28507234/consoles---amazing-for-casualswives There, an equal form of the ridiculous. that took me all of 5 seconds.

:lol: at all the hardcore hermits voting no because they are in denial about casual games keeping pc gaming aliveBodyElite

Oddly enough if there weren't MS and Sony pumping money into them X360 and PS3 would have died before reaching the end of the first year of their lifespan. Besides, there's the Wii that can be used as much for console games, and that's not even counting all the sport games and wannabe FPSs that are so popular on consoles.

Hypocrite much?

Takes a lot of knowledge to buy this, right?

also...

http://www.geforce.com/#/News/articles/gaming-pc-for-599

"Both vendors are offering a sub-$600 PC capable of play Crysis 2 at 1920x1080 at Advanced settings."

"1 Year parts, lifetime Labor and Tech Support Warranty"

sorry, but that wasn't the original argument. at any rate: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28507234/consoles---amazing-for-casualswives There, an equal form of the ridiculous. that took me all of 5 seconds.

clone01

You could link to one person, I can link to a thousand.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

Again, that has absolutely nothing to do with the argument. Its fine if you want to group one brand of fanboy as "worse" than the other based on those links, but that doesn't prove in the slightest that there is some great barrier of entry into PC gaming because someone won't go on the internet and research for 45 minutes.

N30F3N1X

I'm not branding anything. I know there's no entry barrier either, I started PC gaming with Starcraft at age 6. AD later corrected that by saying PC gaming encourages learning while console gaming does not.

[QUOTE="dRuGGeRnaUt"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

PC gaming is represented by $4,000 machines when console gamers talk cost and value.

PC gaming is represented by Facebook and Zynga when console gamers talk about games.

PC gaming is represented by piracy when console gamers talk about sales.

PC gaming is represented by multi-million dollar earning MMO's when console gamers talk about the "lack" of PC games.

PC gaming's representation changes depending on the argument console gamers are trying to make.

You seem to have some understanding issues,that chart showed that the PC market(Retail/DD/MMO) is at 30% and all the consoles together (like home consoles and all handhelds,and including all the casual stuff unlike on the 30% of the PC)are at 43%,wich means that the PC alone is close to the revenue of all the consoles in existence this gen,and that´s with you gimping the other slices of the pie that pertain to the PC as well,otherwise it would be ahead.

It´s pretty amusing if you ask me. :lol:

[QUOTE="clone01"]

sorry, but that wasn't the original argument. at any rate: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28507234/consoles---amazing-for-casualswives There, an equal form of the ridiculous. that took me all of 5 seconds.

N30F3N1X

You could link to one person, I can link to a thousand.

I can link to way more than that. I just don't feel like digging through system wars. Again, that link took me absolutely no time to find. There's going to be illogical fanboys of any system, and they're going to post in internet forums.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

sorry, but that wasn't the original argument. at any rate: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28507234/consoles---amazing-for-casualswives There, an equal form of the ridiculous. that took me all of 5 seconds.

You could link to one person, I can link to a thousand.

Sure. If you mean by learning to operate a computer for playing games.

clone01

It's not just that. When you game on a PC it's just natural to try "what else" is there on your machine. I study computer science at high school, and most of what I've been "taught" was just ordering in a single paragraph things I already knew from experience with games.

Its a game and its on PC. So yes its a PC game.

Whats the big deal?

Wow, that is the best "MY truck is BIGGER than yours" comment ive seens in the past few hours on SW. You should have worded it "you DID link one person. i COULD link a thousand, but instead will link none" loldRuGGeRnaUt

I already did job well enough at linking, you blind wannabe smartass.

Statistics matter more than your opinion. 95/100 is a much more significant evidence than 1/100. Learn your math straight before trying too hard to fall into the very notions you're tring to dispute.

And just like that, you make implications about the general intelligence of a userbase based on what kind of system they prefer...SkyWard20

You on the other hand seem to think that gaming preferences collerate to user's own intelligence, like somebody smart could never enjoy simple entertainment. Which is risiculous assumption and I have no idea how did you arrive at this conclusion.

I can link to way more than that. I just don't feel like digging through system wars. Again, that link took me absolutely no time to find. There's going to be illogical fanboys of any system, and they're going to post in internet forums.

clone01

Yeah, there are. As I just said above tho, 95/100 is more significant of an evidence than 1/100. Made up numbers of course.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

I can link to way more than that. I just don't feel like digging through system wars. Again, that link took me absolutely no time to find. There's going to be illogical fanboys of any system, and they're going to post in internet forums.

N30F3N1X

Yeah, there are. As I just said above tho, 95/100 is more significant of an evidence than 1/100. Made up numbers of course.

Well, with that bulletproof scientific method, I guess I've got nothing.

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

I have given my argument as to why I believe the typical console gamer is less knowledgeable than the typical PC gamer, because PC gaming encourages learning; where as console gaming does not. You have simply outright rejected the idea without attempting to counter it, I ask that you do so.

gamecubepad

Sure, PC gamers know more about PC and how computer systems to work. But I'd be hesistant to extend it any further than that.

Exactly.

The problem with elitist hermits is that they believe the hardware makes the gamer, as opposed to the games. Then they turn around and complain about consolization in their fav PC games. Why bother with the expensive hardware if you're just gonna be playing games designed for consoles at higher res with AA?

Anybody, I mean even your grandma, can go to Best Buy, Alienware.com, or a PC boutique and get a solid gaming PC, along with dirt cheap tech support. There is no base level of knowledge and skill required to be a PC gamer. The idea that PC gamers are more intelligent is nonsense. Pure elitism.

Takes a lot of knowledge to buy this, right?

also...

http://www.geforce.com/#/News/articles/gaming-pc-for-599

"Both vendors are offering a sub-$600 PC capable of play Crysis 2 at 1920x1080 at Advanced settings."

"1 Year parts, lifetime Labor and Tech Support Warranty"

gamecubepad

Everything in that rig is really quite outdated. That is a horrible rig to buy. for $700 you could buy so so so much more.

Small harddrive. 4 generations ago gpu 3 generation ago cpu, 2 gb of memory at 800 mhz? thats slow and not enough. Also no monitor included...that thing is priced like an apple product.

Edit: the one you linked is not only faster in every single regard but cheaper.

Umh... We have more games... Higher quality games and a larger selection O.o? Do that mean we have the hardware and the software?KalDurenik

We? What does that even mean? Anybody with a dual-core cpu and $60 gpu has access to those games. Whatever happened to the days when PC gamers weren't such elitists? There are tons, and I mean, tons of great games found on consoles that aren't on PC. Let's have a look at exclusive AAA PC titles from metacritic over this gen...

OotP Baseball Sim, Civ IV, Company of Heroes, SCII, Galactic Civ II, WoW Burning Crusade/Lich King/Cataclysm, Crysis, GTR 2, Empire Total War, Civ V, Shogun 2,

So here we have 2 sims, 7 RTS's, 1 MMORPG, and 1 FPS.

Is this lineup supposed to make console gamers jealous?

Everything in that rig is really quite outdated. That is a horrible rig to buy. for $700 you could buy so so so much more.

Edit: the one you linked is not only faster in every single regard but cheaper.

edinsftw

That rig was solid and a good deal back in '08. The C2 rigs are obviously a better deal since they're from this year, but even that old setup could play new games just fine with a $30 RAM upgrade. Point was you don't need any base knowledge to play PC games. These new rigs also include free lifetime tech support, Win7, and 7.1 channel 600W speaker systems.

Simply by saying "most people won't take the time to look into a gaming rig." Its an assumption. And when did I call you elitist? You bring that word up all the time, even when people don't refer to it. Is that some sort of defense mechanism?

clone01

I was talking generally, not aiming the elitist comment at you. Hence why I was saying "they" and not "you".

And yes, I have been talking about elitism lately, on purpose. Because PC gamers are constantly accused of being elitist in SW, while time and time again; I see extraordinarily elitist comments and suggestions come from console gamers. So yes, lately I have been bringing up elitism a lot. Both in how PC gamers get accused of being elitist, and how console gamers behave in a elitist manner, to highlight the hypocrisy.

Again, taking ten minutes to 1 hour researching a gaming rig on the internet is not some sort of vast initiation ritual. Your assumption is erroneous. There's no reason for me to take your argument seriously when you've provided absolutely no evidence or quantifiable data to back it.

clone01

Given what I have been talking about, I would have thought that "access" to the information wasn't the problem. Any console gamer can access the information, but if one of their primary arguments for consoles is its plug and play nature, then that information isn't going to be of much use. They actually have to want to know that information, were as one of the argued "merits" of consoles; is not needing that information to play games.

It's one of the main arguments for consoles, not needing to know any technical knowledge to play games. Now you are telling me simply by having access to the information, means the console audience as a whole is just as technically informed as the PC audience? I think not.

We? What does that even mean? Anybody with a dual-core cpu and $60 gpu has access to those games. Whatever happened to the days when PC gamers weren't such elitists? There are tons, and I mean, tons of great games found on consoles that aren't on PC. Let's have a look at exclusive AAA PC titles from metacritic over this gen...

OotP Baseball Sim, Civ IV, Company of Heroes, SCII, Galactic Civ II, WoW Burning Crusade/Lich King/Cataclysm, Crysis, GTR 2, Empire Total War, Civ V, Shogun 2,

So here we have 2 sims, 7 RTS's, 1 MMORPG, and 1 FPS.

Is this lineup supposed to make console gamers jealous?

gamecubepad

90 exclusive games for the PC in 2011. (note: a lot of action games there)

Plus superior multiplats. (higher resolution, higher draw distance, AA/AF, higher details) plus mods to make the games look a generation ahead. (i bolded so you won't ignore that fact). Plus the choice of every controller.

Seriously, consolites should try harder at forming a debate.

90 exclusive games for the PC in 2011.

Plus superior multiplats. (higher resolution, higher draw distance, AA/AF, higher details) plus mods to make the games look a generation ahead. (i bolded so you won't ignore that fact). Plus the choice of every controller.

Seriously, consolites should try harder at forming a debate.

Lucianu

Not a consolite. Just a gamer. PC, consoles, phones, whatever.

C2 on PC sure looks a gen ahead of consoles, right? BF3 "might look better than the console versions" according to DICE.

Don't ignore my point. Your AAA games are sims and RTS's. I love a good RTS, but that's nothing to brag about, and it surely won't make a "consolite" jealous.

Not a consolite. Just a gamer. PC, consoles, phones, whatever.

C2 on PC sure looks a gen ahead of consoles, right? BF3 "might look better than the console versions" according to DICE.

Don't ignore my point. Your AAA games are sims and RTS's. I love a good RTS, but that's nothing to brag about, and it surely won't make a "consolite" jealous.

gamecubepad

So am i, i love playing on my N64, PS1, SNES, PS2 and Wii (i didn't buy either HD twins because i don't intend on playing gimped PCs. I have a gaming PC.). I honestly do. I'm currently playing OoT, for the first time, and i like that game a lot.

And since you ignored the bolded parts, like i knew you would (mods, games, a generation ahead):

GTA IV with ENB series + custom config. Requires about a 700$ PC, which is cheap if consolities can afford a HD TV, a console plus 60$ games.

A generation ahead compared to the blurry, ugly as heck mess found on consoles, with minuscule draw distance.

:lol: at all the hardcore hermits voting no because they are in denial about casual games keeping pc gaming aliveBodyElite

It is starting to seem 99% of all anti-pc around here are just trolls spouting out Fox News type lies.

Don't you guys ever have a real debate?

C2 on PC sure looks a gen ahead of consoles, right?

gamecubepad

A consolized PC game is hardly "a gen ahead". They didn't bother to enhance (I use the term loosely) anything that couldn't be edited in the configs. So I don't know who, or why, anyone would claim Crysis 2 is a gen ahead.

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

90 exclusive games for the PC in 2011.

Plus superior multiplats. (higher resolution, higher draw distance, AA/AF, higher details) plus mods to make the games look a generation ahead. (i bolded so you won't ignore that fact). Plus the choice of every controller.

Seriously, consolites should try harder at forming a debate.

gamecubepad

Not a consolite. Just a gamer. PC, consoles, phones, whatever.

C2 on PC sure looks a gen ahead of consoles, right? BF3 "might look better than the console versions" according to DICE.

Don't ignore my point. Your AAA games are sims and RTS's. I love a good RTS, but that's nothing to brag about, and it surely won't make a "consolite" jealous.

RTS games are nothing to brag about... why? In terms of complexity, they tend to be high above a lot of other titles, though I'm not a big fan myself.

SkyWard20

They are also extremely fun, especially something like Dawn of War, with it's detailed, gory action. It's like your playing a action game, in essence, but controlling a multitude of players at your disposal.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

RTS games are nothing to brag about... why? In terms of complexity, they tend to be high above a lot of other titles, though I'm not a big fan myself.

Lucianu

They are also extremely fun, especially something like Dawn of War, with it's detailed, gory action. It's like your playing a action game, in essence, but controlling a multitude of players at your disposal.

But they are genres that are popular on PC, so they don't count apparently.

Apparently only the sort of exclusives consoles get count.

So am i, i love playing on my N64, PS1, SNES, PS2 and Wii (i didn't buy either HD twins because i don't intend on playing gimped PCs. I have a gaming PC.). I honestly do. I'm currently playing OoT, for the first time, and i like that game a lot.

Lucianu

I have a gaming PC, and I still enjoy playing on my 360 aka "gimped PC", and I would love to have access to the great exclusives available on PS3. That's my problem with the PC elitists. Gonna relegate all the exclusives on 360/PS3 to trash because the HD twins are just gimped PCs. It's the not the hardware that matters, man. It's the games. Reach, Uncharted 2, SMG, FM3, GoW, GeoW 3...these games are as good and as fun as any PC game.

So you have elitist hermits acting like anybody who plays and enjoys console games is somehow ignorant, and couldn't handle PC games. I'll play any game on any system as long as it's fun. If you only play PC, then you aren't a member of my glorious, ascended gamer faction. I pity those poor people. Thinking hardware determines a game's value.

I have a gaming PC, and I still enjoy playing on my 360 aka "gimped PC", and I would love to have access to the great exclusives available on PS3. That's my problem with the PC elitists. Gonna relegate all the exclusives on 360/PS3 to trash because the HD twins are just gimped PCs. It's the not the hardware that matters, man. It's the games. Reach, Uncharted 2, SMG, FM3, GoW, GeoW 3...these games are as good and as fun as any PC game.

So you have elitist hermits acting like anybody who plays and enjoys console games is somehow ignorant, and couldn't handle PC games. I'll play any game on any system as long as it's fun. If you only play PC, then you aren't a member of my glorious, ascended gamer faction. I pity those poor people. Thinking hardware determines a game's value.

gamecubepad

I would never limit my self to only playing one generation. I'm passed that young age were i would even care about what's 'cool' or what stereotype to fit it. I play what i want, without another person's opinion influencing my enjoyment with any game. I don't mind playing older consoles for their incredible games. I never was a gamer before 2006, so i'm catching up now, and playing these platforms. And i can honestly say i have not wasted my money (for example, Xenogears). Try to understand that my taste in visuals are only influenced by the artst yle, not by technical advancements. I love the artst yle in OoT, for example, despite being a old game.

But i also do not solely play on older consoles, i have a gaming PC, because modding games so they could look breath-taking is a passion of mine. And the freedom which can be found on the PC, superior multiplats, the exclusives is something i would never give up. And i would never deny the fact that it's a superior platform.. I simply can't.

The reason why i don't want to buy either 'HD' twins is because they try to much to be PCs, and fail because they are closed systems. I don't care for console shooters, or most 'Hollywood' console games(like Uncharted).. or online which is much more competitive on the PC. I don't seem to find any appeal in western 'Hollywood' like campaigns on the HD twins, that try to much to be taken seriously. They are boring me to death.

I will admit that the only single reason why i have ben planning to buy one of the HD twins, despite my heavy criticism for them, is Bayonetta and Vanquish.

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gamecubepad

Should you really be criticising PC elitism with a sig like that? You look/sound like the other extreme.

PC Gaming is actually represented by STEAM.

not

The reason why i don't want to buy either 'HD' twins is because they try to much to be PCs, and fail because they are closed systems. I don't care for console shooters, or most 'Hollywood' console games(like Uncharted).. or online which is much more competitive on the PC.

I will admit that the only single reason why i have ben planning to buy one of the HD twins, despite my heavy criticism for them, is Bayonetta and Vanquish.

Lucianu

I have no problem with that view. You're one of the most down to earth users on here, and I didn't mean you when I say elitist hermits. I've always argued that by SW standards, PC is the best platform. It has as many quality exclusives as the consoles combined, it has the best gfx, you get choice to build whatever level rig you want, and use whatever controls you want. It can actually play RTS's, which I love, Dawn of War, AoE III, Empires DotMW. Programs that sound like the name of a bird that looks like an ostrich. Objectively, it's the best.

However, PC gamers should be encouraging console-only gamers to give PC a try, not demeaning them like they're some sort of inferior race. Consoles have awesome games, and many once-exclusive PC games are making the jump to consoles.

I'm adamant that hardware doesn't determine the quality of the game, or the gamer. It's all about how fun the games are. I'm glad Nintendo never seemed to lose sight of this.

Should you really be criticising PC elitism with a sig like that? You look/sound like the other extreme.

AnnoyedDragon

The sig is my criticism of PC elitism, and a direct result of users like you. Wait on it though, as I've said before, you're one of best users on SW, so don't take it personally. Now that the PS3 vs 360 war is coming to a close, I gotta have somebody to target. I want more games/dev for my sig. Is that so wrong?

The sig is my criticism of PC elitism, and a direct result of users like you. Wait on it though, as I've said before, you're one of best users on SW, so don't take it personally. Now that the PS3 vs 360 war is coming to a close, I gotta have somebody to target. I want more games/dev for my sig. Is that so wrong?

gamecubepad

You see my sig, that is a criticism of a mentality that I have encountered as of late. Where consolites would insult PC gamers, for daring to expect their version of games to do anything technically better than consoles, in 2011.

Your sig serves no purpose but to act as flame bait, you are literally gloating at PC gamers; because PC devs "expanded" their audience onto consoles. Expanded, meaning included, not abandoned PC and became console exclusive like your sig suggests. It's made all the worse; when you consider there are console developers that have expanded onto PC. So cross platform expansion is occurring on both sides, but you are pretending that only PC developers are expanding onto consoles.

If you are going to criticise extreme elitistm, try not to imitate it.

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The sig is my criticism of PC elitism, and a direct result of users like you. Wait on it though, as I've said before, you're one of best users on SW, so don't take it personally. Now that the PS3 vs 360 war is coming to a close, I gotta have somebody to target. I want more games/dev for my sig. Is that so wrong?

AnnoyedDragon

You see my sig, that is a criticism of a mentality that I have encountered as of late. Where consolites would insult PC gamers, for daring to expect their version of games to do anything technically better than consoles, in 2011.

Your sig serves no purpose but to act as flame bait, you are literally gloating at PC gamers; because PC devs "expanded" their audience onto consoles. Expanded, meaning included, not abandoned PC and became console exclusive like your sig suggests. It's made all the worse; when you consider there are console developers that have expanded onto PC. So cross platform expansion is occurring on both sides, but you are pretending that only PC developers are expanding onto consoles.

If you are going to criticise extreme elitistm, try not to imitate it.

I created it just for you, so I figured you'd enjoy it.:lol:

There's a difference between a funny sig, and what somebody is actually saying in their posts. I acknowledge the value of all systems, and realize that it's all about playing the games you like. You however, go as far as saying that PC gamers are more intelligent than console gamers because of their hardware. Give me a break. You're targeting a lot of innocent console players, and turning them off to the PC scene with that sort of arrogance. It's easy to see the difference between you and me when it comes to elitism. I'm joking and you're dead serious. Or am I wrong here? Help me out a bit.