The nVidia 9 series cometh -- further seperation between PC and Consoles...

Debuting at $449. The 9800GX2 (G92) is a dual gpu video card. It is scheduled to debut in Feb/March. At the end of Q2, the 9800GTX (G100 ?) which packs an even bigger punch for those enthusiasts out there. Not to mention, it supports Tri-SLI (3 video cards at once). For someone who can afford a $700 video card, you will likely to be extremely pleased.

Oh, and if you are a budget gamer. The 9600GT will be coming out Feb 21st for $168, and is almost as powerful as the 8800GT. In other words, want to play Crysis in High detail for people with little cash in their pockets. Oh yah baby.

Oh... I almost forgot. Here is the expected spec sheet... and just for those of you who don't know about PC hardware... the 8800gts can easily run Crysis on High Detail, at Tru-HD (1080p), at 30+fps. Mass Effect runs at a little less then 720p at 30fps.

seperation isnt that great between the pc and the consoles at the current moment, yes obviously crysis is king **** of turd island when it comes to graphics, but pc's even high end ones arent exactly running crysis on godly setting as smooth as butter right nowlinkin_guy109

Why buy the 9800 series? seems like a gimmick to me :SMeu2k7

Did you even look at the table I put in the post? How is it remotely a gimmick? :|

seperation isnt that great between the pc and the consoles at the current moment, yes obviously crysis is king **** of turd island when it comes to graphics, but pc's even high end ones arent exactly running crysis on godly setting as smooth as butter right nowlinkin_guy109

Yah. Clearly you didn't read the post, and posted this based on the title only. With that said, I agree with Vandalvideo - how can you cry about Crysis being 30fps in HD, when most console games can't even muster that at lower graphical settings?

well, thats the advantage of the PC.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]Why buy the 9800 series? seems like a gimmick to me :Srimnet00

Did you even look at the table I put in the post? How is it remotely a gimmick? :|

seperation isnt that great between the pc and the consoles at the current moment, yes obviously crysis is king **** of turd island when it comes to graphics, but pc's even high end ones arent exactly running crysis on godly setting as smooth as butter right nowlinkin_guy109

Yah. Clearly you didn't read the post, and posted this based on the title only. With that said, I agree with Vandalvideo - how can you cry about Crysis being 30fps in HD, when most console games can't even muster that at lower graphical settings?

The G92 X2 ? Why buy this, and the 9600 GT? What can it do that an 8800 GT cannot? Seems rather inferior for a not so big price difference.

9800 GTX looks like a very nice improvement, but $700? so much for solving the pricing problems, thats insane yes but theres the "Amazing budget" models of this? Why are they released so much later?

Then onto the G100? Yey for rich people I guess >> ... I see no insensitve to upgrade from that, not worth the price ratio.

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]Why buy the 9800 series? seems like a gimmick to me :SMeu2k7

Did you even look at the table I put in the post? How is it remotely a gimmick? :|

seperation isnt that great between the pc and the consoles at the current moment, yes obviously crysis is king **** of turd island when it comes to graphics, but pc's even high end ones arent exactly running crysis on godly setting as smooth as butter right nowlinkin_guy109

Yah. Clearly you didn't read the post, and posted this based on the title only. With that said, I agree with Vandalvideo - how can you cry about Crysis being 30fps in HD, when most console games can't even muster that at lower graphical settings?

The G92 X2 ? Why buy this, and the 9600 GT? What can it do that an 8800 GT cannot? Seems rather inferior for a not so big price difference.

9800 GTX looks like a very nice improvement, but $700? so much for solving the pricing problems, thats insane yes but theres the "Amazing budget" models of this? Why are they released so much later?

Then onto the G100? Yey for rich people I guess >> ... I see no insensitve to upgrade from that, not worth the price ratio.

Wondering the same..what's the point? It seems damn near identical.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="rimnet00"]

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]Why buy the 9800 series? seems like a gimmick to me :SToScA-

Did you even look at the table I put in the post? How is it remotely a gimmick? :|

seperation isnt that great between the pc and the consoles at the current moment, yes obviously crysis is king **** of turd island when it comes to graphics, but pc's even high end ones arent exactly running crysis on godly setting as smooth as butter right nowlinkin_guy109

Yah. Clearly you didn't read the post, and posted this based on the title only. With that said, I agree with Vandalvideo - how can you cry about Crysis being 30fps in HD, when most console games can't even muster that at lower graphical settings?

The G92 X2 ? Why buy this, and the 9600 GT? What can it do that an 8800 GT cannot? Seems rather inferior for a not so big price difference.

9800 GTX looks like a very nice improvement, but $700? so much for solving the pricing problems, thats insane yes but theres the "Amazing budget" models of this? Why are they released so much later?

Then onto the G100? Yey for rich people I guess >> ... I see no insensitve to upgrade from that, not worth the price ratio.

Wondering the same..what's the point? It seems damn near identical.

It costs half the price. The x6xx series every generation is released first, because it is the budget card. The 8800GT is $250, while the 9600 is $169. In other words, the price/performance is much greater. It's not a card I would personally buy, however someone who is on a budget would purchase it, ie someone who is looking to choose between a Gaming PC and a XBox 360.

Why buy the GX2? It's 1.5+ times faster then the newer 8800GTX models, for $450 O_o. Why wouldn't it be attractive?

As for the GTX being $700. This is a guess, as the GTX models have always been that much. I don't see how this is anything "new". I am simply showing everyone both the high end and the low end of the spectrum. If you aren't one to purchase a GTX, you could easily pick up a 9800GTS for what will likely be $350.

What and when is ATi's counter? ToScA-

Thats fine and all, I dont see why they dont retail the X800 GTS first ever, its more affordable than the GTX, I'm sure enthusiasts are a lesser minority of buyers right?Meu2k7

The GTX doesn't come out till end of Q2. It could very well come out at the same time, which it very well could.

[QUOTE="ToScA-"]What and when is ATi's counter? BreakingPoint8

I have no idea that's why I'm asking :D

How's ATi's counter performance/price-wise compared to what NVidia is offering?

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="ToScA-"]What and when is ATi's counter? ToScA-

I have no idea that's why I'm asking :D

How's ATi's counter performance/price-wise compared to what NVidia is offering?

Currently the 3870x2 is the best single card solution available, but nVidia will most likely strike back rather quickly with the 9800GX2.

[QUOTE="ToScA-"]

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="ToScA-"]What and when is ATi's counter? _Pedro_

I have no idea that's why I'm asking :D

How's ATi's counter performance/price-wise compared to what NVidia is offering?

Currently the 3870x2 is the best single card solution available, but nVidia will most likely strike back rather quickly with the 9800GX2.

Thanks for the info.

It's scary really..as soon as I finished building my PC some two-three years ago I lost track ENTIRELY what was going on in the PC market in terms of hardware. Catching up slowly now since I'm going to build a new one this summer. Bet I'll lose track again as soon as I finish the job :)

Good to hear ATi have the top of the line GPU out right now though; will keep my eye on that one.

Thanks for the info.

It's scary really..as soon as I finished building my PC some two-three years ago I lost track ENTIRELY what was going on in the PC market in terms of hardware. Catching up slowly now since I'm going to build a new one this summer. Bet I'll lose track again as soon as I finish the job :)

Good to hear ATi have the top of the line GPU out right now though; will keep my eye on that one.

ToScA-

Since you are just coming back into the video cards scene, here is a huge tip: In this current market, it is better to spend half of what you can afford on a video card, and then one year later, ebay that card, and spend the other half on a new video card.

[QUOTE="ToScA-"]

Thanks for the info.

It's scary really..as soon as I finished building my PC some two-three years ago I lost track ENTIRELY what was going on in the PC market in terms of hardware. Catching up slowly now since I'm going to build a new one this summer. Bet I'll lose track again as soon as I finish the job :)

Good to hear ATi have the top of the line GPU out right now though; will keep my eye on that one.

rimnet00

Since you are just coming back into the video cards scene, here is a huge tip: In this current market, it is better to spend half of what you can afford on a video card, and then one year later, ebay that card, and spend the other half on a new video card.

http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25929540

Take a look at this badboy then! The new Nehalem Intel chips for 2008 will have 8 cores per die with 2 threads per core. This motherboard can house 2 chips totalling 16 cores at 3 Ghz!!

The motherboard is also holding 16GB of DDR3 and can hold 4 16GB sticks of DDR3 giving a total of 64GB of ram. However, accoding to this, there will be a bandwidth problem having so much memory.

Not to mention the 9800GTXs coming out with Triple SLI!!

Consolites, this is the sort of thing coming out for PC gamers in 2008, 2009 and 2010!!

If you cant compete with PCs now, what hopes are there for your bragging rights regarding the cell in the very near future? Serious question guys!

[QUOTE="ToScA-"]What and when is ATi's counter? BreakingPoint8

Doesn't that just barely compete with the high end 8800 series?

[QUOTE="ToScA-"]

Thanks for the info.

It's scary really..as soon as I finished building my PC some two-three years ago I lost track ENTIRELY what was going on in the PC market in terms of hardware. Catching up slowly now since I'm going to build a new one this summer. Bet I'll lose track again as soon as I finish the job :)

Good to hear ATi have the top of the line GPU out right now though; will keep my eye on that one.

rimnet00

Since you are just coming back into the video cards scene, here is a huge tip: In this current market, it is better to spend half of what you can afford on a video card, and then one year later, ebay that card, and spend the other half on a new video card.

Thanks for the tip.

Well I'm aiming for paying up to 250$ for a GPU. Such a thing as a 8800GT or why not a 9600GT (cheaper) would probably keep me going for a while. I mean, if these cards can run Crysis on high settings, they should have no problem running more or less most upcoming games on the maximum/high settings.

Won't start building till summer though; I'll see how the market has changed by then. Here's hoping ATi will have the perfect card for me rather than NVidia since I favor the aforementioned :)

[QUOTE="ToScA-"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="rimnet00"]

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]Why buy the 9800 series? seems like a gimmick to me :Srimnet00

Did you even look at the table I put in the post? How is it remotely a gimmick? :|

seperation isnt that great between the pc and the consoles at the current moment, yes obviously crysis is king **** of turd island when it comes to graphics, but pc's even high end ones arent exactly running crysis on godly setting as smooth as butter right nowlinkin_guy109

Yah. Clearly you didn't read the post, and posted this based on the title only. With that said, I agree with Vandalvideo - how can you cry about Crysis being 30fps in HD, when most console games can't even muster that at lower graphical settings?

The G92 X2 ? Why buy this, and the 9600 GT? What can it do that an 8800 GT cannot? Seems rather inferior for a not so big price difference.

9800 GTX looks like a very nice improvement, but $700? so much for solving the pricing problems, thats insane yes but theres the "Amazing budget" models of this? Why are they released so much later?

Then onto the G100? Yey for rich people I guess >> ... I see no insensitve to upgrade from that, not worth the price ratio.

Wondering the same..what's the point? It seems damn near identical.

It costs half the price. The x6xx series every generation is released first, because it is the budget card. The 8800GT is $250, while the 9600 is $169. In other words, the price/performance is much greater. It's not a card I would personally buy, however someone who is on a budget would purchase it, ie someone who is looking to choose between a Gaming PC and a XBox 360.

Why buy the GX2? It's 1.5+ times faster then the newer 8800GTX models, for $450 O_o. Why wouldn't it be attractive?

As for the GTX being $700. This is a guess, as the GTX models have always been that much. I don't see how this is anything "new". I am simply showing everyone both the high end and the low end of the spectrum. If you aren't one to purchase a GTX, you could easily pick up a 9800GTS for what will likely be $350.

also the gtx will suport tri sli.

seperation isnt that great between the pc and the consoles at the current moment, yes obviously crysis is king **** of turd island when it comes to graphics, but pc's even high end ones arent exactly running crysis on godly setting as smooth as butter right nowlinkin_guy109

Sucks if you just bought a new card :? I've seen loads of people recently bragging about just getting a 8800.

Oh, and if you are a budget gamer. The 9600GT will be coming out Feb 21st for $168, and is almost as powerful as the 8800GT. In other words, want to play Crysis in High detail for people with little cash in their pockets. Oh yah baby.

rimnet00

Edit: generalized the fill-rate way too much. It's 2/3, not 1/2.

http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25929540

Take a look at this badboy then! The new Nehalem Intel chips for 2008 will have 8 cores per die with 2 threads per core. This motherboard can house 2 chips totalling 16 cores at 3 Ghz!!

The motherboard is also holding 16GB of DDR3 and can hold 4 16GB sticks of DDR3 giving a total of 64GB of ram. However, accoding to this, there will be a bandwidth problem having so much memory.

Not to mention the 9800GTXs coming out with Triple SLI!!

Consolites, this is the sort of thing coming out for PC gamers in 2008, 2009 and 2010!!

If you cant compete with PCs now, what hopes are there for your bragging rights regarding the cell in the very near future? Serious question guys!

DAZZER7

Then again here we are 2 years after the 360 was launched and we only have 1 action game, Crysis that blows away the 360.

Other multiplat games are a little better on pc graphically but no major difference.

Last gen we had NOLF 2 and UT2k3 only 1 year after the Xbox came out. Both those games blew away console graphics like Crysis does now. By 2 years we had quite a few games taking advantage of the pc's hardware.

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="ToScA-"]

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="ToScA-"]What and when is ATi's counter? ToScA-

I have no idea that's why I'm asking :D

How's ATi's counter performance/price-wise compared to what NVidia is offering?

Currently the 3870x2 is the best single card solution available, but nVidia will most likely strike back rather quickly with the 9800GX2.

Thanks for the info.

It's scary really..as soon as I finished building my PC some two-three years ago I lost track ENTIRELY what was going on in the PC market in terms of hardware. Catching up slowly now since I'm going to build a new one this summer. Bet I'll lose track again as soon as I finish the job :)

Good to hear ATi have the top of the line GPU out right now though; will keep my eye on that one.

Its not. ATi just released a card that is 10% faster than an 8800 ultra. Which the ultra has been out for 1 year. Do not waste your money on ATi. For at least 2 years until AMD and ATi can get their act together. It would be a huge waste buying the new ATi. Just wait 2 to 3 weeks and get the GX2 which will be 20% faster than the new ATi card at the same price.

EDIT: The new card for ATi is 2 gpu processors in one card. So really its a crossfire config in one card much like the Nvidia 7950 was. The GX2 will be the same. the 9800 GTX will be the next gen card. The real 9-series that will retail at around $600 ish.

For now Nvidia is king of the bunch.

[QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25929540

Take a look at this badboy then! The new Nehalem Intel chips for 2008 will have 8 cores per die with 2 threads per core. This motherboard can house 2 chips totalling 16 cores at 3 Ghz!!

The motherboard is also holding 16GB of DDR3 and can hold 4 16GB sticks of DDR3 giving a total of 64GB of ram. However, accoding to this, there will be a bandwidth problem having so much memory.

Not to mention the 9800GTXs coming out with Triple SLI!!

Consolites, this is the sort of thing coming out for PC gamers in 2008, 2009 and 2010!!

If you cant compete with PCs now, what hopes are there for your bragging rights regarding the cell in the very near future? Serious question guys!

Cranler

Then again here we are 2 years after the 360 was launched and we only have 1 action game, Crysis that blows away the 360.

Other multiplat games are a little better on pc graphically but no major difference.

Last gen we had NOLF 2 and UT2k3 only 1 year after the Xbox came out. Both those games blew away console graphics like Crysis does now. By 2 years we had quite a few games taking advantage of the pc's hardware.

Yah. Except we got more AAAE, AAA, and AA titles then any other platform... fail.

Sucks if you just bought a new card :? I've seen loads of people recently bragging about just getting a 8800.

SgtWhiskeyjack

nah the 8800GT and 8800GTS are still the best valuecards at the moment. The only reason why nVidia are releasing the 9600GT and 9800GX2 is to counter the HD3870X2 and HD3850. Which currently hold the title best single card solution and budget cards.

*Looks at the amount of transistors for the 9800gtx*

....Effing Hell....Thats all I can say.

Zhokel

That what i though when i saw that!

1.8 Billion??? That INSANE, thats more than double the 8800GT and 8800Ultra.

Iam use to transistor counts increasing between card series, but more than DOUBLE?!!

Crazy stuff!

I would rather buy and play games I want than obsess over numbers that mean nothing to me.

I know you were probably aiming this thread at Lemmings that cry over the technical superiority of PC's. And I can accept that in terms of power they are better. But its the games I care about.

It costs $449? Where did you get the price because thats the same price as the 3870x2. I was imagining Nvidia charging much more than ATI. I will get it only because I can use EVGA step up to get it, better than letting it expire I suppose.

Many people don't seem to understand the specs. Since its a internal sli solution it suffers from the same problems as sli, meaning you don't get 2x the performance. In some cases you get a big peformance leap in others you get little to none. It really depends on the game.

You don't need that good of a GPU to play World of Warcraft and The Sims. Aren't those the only PC franchises that sell well?Zero5000X

That's a pretty ignorant statement. I guess its not worth owning a 360 other than for Halo3 since thats the only game that sells extremely well. And not worth owning a PS3 at all since no games sell well. Being on a console forum I expect massively ignorant replies in regards to the PC.

seperation isnt that great between the pc and the consoles at the current moment, yes obviously crysis is king **** of turd island when it comes to graphics, but pc's even high end ones arent exactly running crysis on godly setting as smooth as butter right nowlinkin_guy109

Consoles dont run most games at smooth framerates...

Go spend $449 for yet another graphics card. Wii/360/PS3 owners are actual gamers. We spend that type of money on actual games.Senor_Kami

what do you think the graphics card is for? If anything it makes them even more serious gamers.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25929540

Take a look at this badboy then! The new Nehalem Intel chips for 2008 will have 8 cores per die with 2 threads per core. This motherboard can house 2 chips totalling 16 cores at 3 Ghz!!

The motherboard is also holding 16GB of DDR3 and can hold 4 16GB sticks of DDR3 giving a total of 64GB of ram. However, accoding to this, there will be a bandwidth problem having so much memory.

Not to mention the 9800GTXs coming out with Triple SLI!!

Consolites, this is the sort of thing coming out for PC gamers in 2008, 2009 and 2010!!

If you cant compete with PCs now, what hopes are there for your bragging rights regarding the cell in the very near future? Serious question guys!

rimnet00

Then again here we are 2 years after the 360 was launched and we only have 1 action game, Crysis that blows away the 360.

Other multiplat games are a little better on pc graphically but no major difference.

Last gen we had NOLF 2 and UT2k3 only 1 year after the Xbox came out. Both those games blew away console graphics like Crysis does now. By 2 years we had quite a few games taking advantage of the pc's hardware.

Yah. Except we got more AAAE, AAA, and AA titles then any other platform... fail.

What do AAAE have to do with the latest and greatest graphics cards? Fail for not understanding the thread.

I would rather buy and play games I want than obsess over numbers that mean nothing to me.

I know you were probably aiming this thread at Lemmings that cry over the technical superiority of PC's. And I can accept that in terms of power they are better. But its the games I care about.

Quofan

LOL. Yah, it's because many of the PC gamers can look at the specs and know what they will translate to when they use them. What, do you think it's the numbers itself that get us excited. Please.

That's like someone with a civic telling the guy about to buy an M3, "oh, we civic owners don't obsess about horsepower and acceleration, we just like to drive".