The nVidia 9 series cometh -- further seperation between PC and Consoles...

Yes!!!!!!! Can't wait for this to run butter smooth on my PC:

*drools on keyboard*

Go spend $449 for yet another graphics card. Wii/360/PS3 owners are actual gamers. We spend that type of money on actual games.Senor_Kami

You still spend more for games, so in the long run you pay more than what a PC gamer pays. So its like getting a new video card free.

[QUOTE="samiup"]

well, thats the advantage of the PC.

karasill

Its a advantage and disadvantage at once, meaning from one perspective PC games aren't limited by hardware but from another it means there is a possibility you might have to upgrade. A console has the same issue except reverse, you don't have to upgrade but you are limited by hardware from the go and when a problem occurs you can fix it yourself but need to have it serviced. The PC gamer and console gamer's mindset is completely different.

Debuting at $449. The 9800GX2 (G92) is a dual gpu video card. It is scheduled to debut in Feb/March. At the end of Q2, the 9800GTX (G100 ?) which packs an even bigger punch for those enthusiasts out there. Not to mention, it supports Tri-SLI (3 video cards at once). For someone who can afford a $700 video card, you will likely to be extremely pleased.

Oh, and if you are a budget gamer. The 9600GT will be coming out Feb 21st for $168, and is almost as powerful as the 8800GT. In other words, want to play Crysis in High detail for people with little cash in their pockets. Oh yah baby.

Oh... I almost forgot. Here is the expected spec sheet... and just for those of you who don't know about PC hardware... the 8800gts can easily run Crysis on High Detail, at Tru-HD (1080p), at 30+fps. Mass Effect runs at a little less then 720p at 30fps.

rimnet00

On a side note, where did you get this information?

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]

Debuting at $449. The 9800GX2 (G92) is a dual gpu video card. It is scheduled to debut in Feb/March. At the end of Q2, the 9800GTX (G100 ?) which packs an even bigger punch for those enthusiasts out there. Not to mention, it supports Tri-SLI (3 video cards at once). For someone who can afford a $700 video card, you will likely to be extremely pleased.

Oh, and if you are a budget gamer. The 9600GT will be coming out Feb 21st for $168, and is almost as powerful as the 8800GT. In other words, want to play Crysis in High detail for people with little cash in their pockets. Oh yah baby.

Oh... I almost forgot. Here is the expected spec sheet... and just for those of you who don't know about PC hardware... the 8800gts can easily run Crysis on High Detail, at Tru-HD (1080p), at 30+fps. Mass Effect runs at a little less then 720p at 30fps.

slickchris7777

On a side note, where did you get this information?

It's actually a compilation of material that I've been reading from multiple PC websites in the past two weeks.

Damn, why is Nvidia still using GDDR3?slickchris7777

It's cheaper then GDDR4. Oh and the ATI HD3870 uses GDDR4.

I wonder what kind of hardware they will have at the start of next year when I build a new PC. Giving this PC to my girl, and my girl's PC (my old PC :P ) to my kids.l-_-l

Same Except my current PC will go to my brother and his (my old one) will probably get ceremonially burned, smashed, burned again, pissed on, buried, dug back up, burned again and then thrown in the bin.

You don't need that good of a GPU to play World of Warcraft and The Sims. Aren't those the only PC franchises that sell well?Zero5000X

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]Go spend $449 for yet another graphics card. Wii/360/PS3 owners are actual gamers. We spend that type of money on actual games.Ramadear

You still spend more for games, so in the long run you pay more than what a PC gamer pays. So its like getting a new video card free.

[QUOTE="Ramadear"]

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]Go spend $449 for yet another graphics card. Wii/360/PS3 owners are actual gamers. We spend that type of money on actual games.iamanoobkillme

You still spend more for games, so in the long run you pay more than what a PC gamer pays. So its like getting a new video card free.

A video card can last around a average of 4 years. So lets go at it from your perspective that a pc game is only $10 cheaper than a console game. Lets say I buy one console game per month for four years. thats $120 saved per year and over a course of four years it is $480. There is your videocard money right there.

Usually when I buy PC games they are around $20 cheaper than console games. So thats even more savings over time.

[QUOTE="Ramadear"]

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]Go spend $449 for yet another graphics card. Wii/360/PS3 owners are actual gamers. We spend that type of money on actual games.iamanoobkillme

You still spend more for games, so in the long run you pay more than what a PC gamer pays. So its like getting a new video card free.

I usually pay $25 per PC game personally :s Just bought crysis the other week for that price. Off ebay, but since you only have to install the game once (and can download installers off the net), the condition of the disk itself doesn't matter.

Debuting at $449. The 9800GX2 (G92) is a dual gpu video card. It is scheduled to debut in Feb/March. At the end of Q2, the 9800GTX (G100 ?) which packs an even bigger punch for those enthusiasts out there. Not to mention, it supports Tri-SLI (3 video cards at once). For someone who can afford a $700 video card, you will likely to be extremely pleased.

Oh, and if you are a budget gamer. The 9600GT will be coming out Feb 21st for $168, and is almost as powerful as the 8800GT. In other words, want to play Crysis in High detail for people with little cash in their pockets. Oh yah baby.

Oh... I almost forgot. Here is the expected spec sheet... and just for those of you who don't know about PC hardware... the 8800gts can easily run Crysis on High Detail, at Tru-HD (1080p), at 30+fps. Mass Effect runs at a little less then 720p at 30fps.

rimnet00

Can you guys imagine 3-way SLI of the 9800GTX? omg...

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]

Debuting at $449. The 9800GX2 (G92) is a dual gpu video card. It is scheduled to debut in Feb/March. At the end of Q2, the 9800GTX (G100 ?) which packs an even bigger punch for those enthusiasts out there. Not to mention, it supports Tri-SLI (3 video cards at once). For someone who can afford a $700 video card, you will likely to be extremely pleased.

Oh, and if you are a budget gamer. The 9600GT will be coming out Feb 21st for $168, and is almost as powerful as the 8800GT. In other words, want to play Crysis in High detail for people with little cash in their pockets. Oh yah baby.

Oh... I almost forgot. Here is the expected spec sheet... and just for those of you who don't know about PC hardware... the 8800gts can easily run Crysis on High Detail, at Tru-HD (1080p), at 30+fps. Mass Effect runs at a little less then 720p at 30fps.

-KinGz-

Can you guys imagine 3-way SLI of the 9800GTX? omg...

It would be roughly the same as a 3-way 8800gtx setup.

A video card can last around a average of 4 years. So lets go at it from your perspective that a pc game is only $10 cheaper than a console game. Lets say I buy one console game per month for four years. thats $120 saved per year and over a course of four years it is $480. There is your videocard money right there.Usually when I buy PC games they are around $20 cheaper than console games. So thats even more savings over time.Ramadear

rofl, just a video card for $449? LOL

i'll stick with consoles, thanks.

rofl, just a video card for $449? LOL

i'll stick with consoles, thanks.

xkojimax

[QUOTE="Ramadear"]A video card can last around a average of 4 years. So lets go at it from your perspective that a pc game is only $10 cheaper than a console game. Lets say I buy one console game per month for four years. thats $120 saved per year and over a course of four years it is $480. There is your videocard money right there.Usually when I buy PC games they are around $20 cheaper than console games. So thats even more savings over time.Vandalvideo

I'm not suggesting that, but the individual I was replying to was. What he is saying does have truth. Because initially the high end video card do average around $450 when they first come out. But he didn't take into consideration the mid tier and the fact that someone might upgrade when the cards are cheaper. I was just giving him a example using his own perspective.

[QUOTE="xkojimax"]

rofl, just a video card for $449? LOL

i'll stick with consoles, thanks.

Vandalvideo

What about the rest of the computer? Like the Processor, RAM, and whatnot.

If you're gonna compare the price of a PC to a console... you should really use the whole PC.

EDIT: just to let you all know, I'm pretty much both a console and PC gamer (but I prefer consoles more).

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Ramadear"]A video card can last around a average of 4 years. So lets go at it from your perspective that a pc game is only $10 cheaper than a console game. Lets say I buy one console game per month for four years. thats $120 saved per year and over a course of four years it is $480. There is your videocard money right there.Usually when I buy PC games they are around $20 cheaper than console games. So thats even more savings over time.Ramadear

I'm not suggesting that, but the individual I was replying to was. What he is saying does have truth. Because initially the high end video card do average around $450 when they first come out. But he didn't take into consideration the mid tier and the fact that someone might upgrade when the cards are cheaper. I was just giving him a example using his own perspective.

Very true. Personally, I can justify to myself paying $400 a year on a new video card (including the fact I can ebay my old one), simply cause I work full-time. That's what so great about PC gaming imo. We don't have to wait 5 years for another WOW experiance. Every year we get another "OMG check this out" experiance.

[QUOTE="iamanoobkillme"][QUOTE="Ramadear"]

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]Go spend $449 for yet another graphics card. Wii/360/PS3 owners are actual gamers. We spend that type of money on actual games.Ramadear

You still spend more for games, so in the long run you pay more than what a PC gamer pays. So its like getting a new video card free.

A video card can last around a average of 4 years. So lets go at it from your perspective that a pc game is only $10 cheaper than a console game. Lets say I buy one console game per month for four years. thats $120 saved per year and over a course of four years it is $480. There is your videocard money right there.

Usually when I buy PC games they are around $20 cheaper than console games. So thats even more savings over time.

What about the rest of the computer? Like the Processor, RAM, and whatnot.

If you're gonna compare the price of a PC to a console... you should really use the whole PC.

slothboyadvance

Except, most people have PCs to begin with. I take it you are using one right now, as opposed to posting on your xbox 360...

[QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="rimnet00"]

Debuting at $449. The 9800GX2 (G92) is a dual gpu video card. It is scheduled to debut in Feb/March. At the end of Q2, the 9800GTX (G100 ?) which packs an even bigger punch for those enthusiasts out there. Not to mention, it supports Tri-SLI (3 video cards at once). For someone who can afford a $700 video card, you will likely to be extremely pleased.

Oh, and if you are a budget gamer. The 9600GT will be coming out Feb 21st for $168, and is almost as powerful as the 8800GT. In other words, want to play Crysis in High detail for people with little cash in their pockets. Oh yah baby.

Oh... I almost forgot. Here is the expected spec sheet... and just for those of you who don't know about PC hardware... the 8800gts can easily run Crysis on High Detail, at Tru-HD (1080p), at 30+fps. Mass Effect runs at a little less then 720p at 30fps.

Ramadear

Can you guys imagine 3-way SLI of the 9800GTX? omg...

It would be roughly the same as a 3-way 8800gtx setup.

How's that, hmmm I remember reading something about SLI, can't remember exactly what but I've been meaning to ask about it and your comment ringed a bell....

[QUOTE="slothboyadvance"]

What about the rest of the computer? Like the Processor, RAM, and whatnot.

If you're gonna compare the price of a PC to a console... you should really use the whole PC.

rimnet00

Except, most people have PCs to begin with. I take it you are using one right now, as opposed to posting on your xbox 360...

lol, then my processor still sucks.

(I need an upgrade... even though all I play anymore is CSS)

How's that, hmmm I remember reading something about SLI, can't remember exactly what but I've been meaning to ask about it and your comment ringed a bell.... -KinGz-

Because despite the name the 9800 series isn't a big step up above the 8800 series, if any. Like the 9800x2 for example is suppose to take the place of the ultra while being 30% faster at tops. But its really only two 8800 g92 gpus. Nothing special, so imagine the replacement for the 9800gtx.

[QUOTE="slothboyadvance"]

What about the rest of the computer? Like the Processor, RAM, and whatnot.

If you're gonna compare the price of a PC to a console... you should really use the whole PC.

rimnet00

Except, most people have PCs to begin with. I take it you are using one right now, as opposed to posting on your xbox 360...

the way i look at it, is that, sure, i can upgrade my PC easily with affordable parts, and run games like crysis, cod4, etc, on med-high settings, yes, that IS possible. however, it all adds up to probably more than what a console is. not only that, but within 6 months to a year, newer parts come out, and newer games come out require beefier hardware. so what is there to do? spend more money to upgrade more just to keep up? thats a waste.

[QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="rimnet00"]

Debuting at $449. The 9800GX2 (G92) is a dual gpu video card. It is scheduled to debut in Feb/March. At the end of Q2, the 9800GTX (G100 ?) which packs an even bigger punch for those enthusiasts out there. Not to mention, it supports Tri-SLI (3 video cards at once). For someone who can afford a $700 video card, you will likely to be extremely pleased.

Oh, and if you are a budget gamer. The 9600GT will be coming out Feb 21st for $168, and is almost as powerful as the 8800GT. In other words, want to play Crysis in High detail for people with little cash in their pockets. Oh yah baby.

Oh... I almost forgot. Here is the expected spec sheet... and just for those of you who don't know about PC hardware... the 8800gts can easily run Crysis on High Detail, at Tru-HD (1080p), at 30+fps. Mass Effect runs at a little less then 720p at 30fps.

Ramadear

Can you guys imagine 3-way SLI of the 9800GTX? omg...

It would be roughly the same as a 3-way 8800gtx setup.

How since the GX2 is supposed to be 30% then ultra.

Very true. Personally, I can justify to myself paying $400 a year on a new video card (including the fact I can ebay my old one), simply cause I work full-time. That's what so great about PC gaming imo. We don't have to wait 5 years for another WOW experiance. Every year we get another "OMG check this out" experiance.

rimnet00

I generally skip over a generation of cards, which seems to work well. However this time is a bit different because I'm going to use my EVGA to step up to the 9800x2. Even though I wouldn't call that card a big improvement over what I have now.

[QUOTE="-KinGz-"]How's that, hmmm I remember reading something about SLI, can't remember exactly what but I've been meaning to ask about it and your comment ringed a bell.... Ramadear

Because despite the name the 9800 series isn't a big step up above the 8800 series, if any. Like the 9800x2 for example is suppose to take the place of the ultra while being 30% faster at tops. But its really only two 8800 g92 gpus. Nothing special, so imagine the replacement for the 9800gtx.

Having 2xGT on only 1 PCI-E lane is pretty damn good, considering you don't need a SLI motherboard to run this.

How since the GX2 is supposed to be 30% then ultra.

Bebi_vegeta

Read my reply to the guy who asked.

[QUOTE="rimnet00"][QUOTE="slothboyadvance"]

What about the rest of the computer? Like the Processor, RAM, and whatnot.

If you're gonna compare the price of a PC to a console... you should really use the whole PC.

xkojimax

Except, most people have PCs to begin with. I take it you are using one right now, as opposed to posting on your xbox 360...

the way i look at it, is that, sure, i can upgrade my PC easily with affordable parts, and run games like crysis, cod4, etc, on med-high settings, yes, that IS possible. however, it all adds up to probably more than what a console is. not only that, but within 6 months to a year, newer parts come out, and newer games come out require beefier hardware. so what is there to do? spend more money to upgrade more just to keep up? thats a waste.

That's only if you want to keep every games on its highest settings. Most people are perfectly content dealing with medium settings for a while while parts go down in price.

[QUOTE="Ramadear"]

[QUOTE="-KinGz-"]How's that, hmmm I remember reading something about SLI, can't remember exactly what but I've been meaning to ask about it and your comment ringed a bell.... Bebi_vegeta

Because despite the name the 9800 series isn't a big step up above the 8800 series, if any. Like the 9800x2 for example is suppose to take the place of the ultra while being 30% faster at tops. But its really only two 8800 g92 gpus. Nothing special, so imagine the replacement for the 9800gtx.

Having 2xGT on only 1 PCI-E lane is pretty damn good, considering you don't need a SLI motherboard to run this.

Yeah its not to bad, though it just seems like a rush job. I would rather them not had use the 9800 as the title of the card. Its more like a Geforce 8950x2 or something.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

How since the GX2 is supposed to be 30% then ultra.

Ramadear

Read my reply to the guy who asked.

Still you're having 6GPU's instead of 3.

Yeah its not to bad, though it just seems like a rush job. I would rather them not had use the 9800 as the title of the card. Its more like a Geforce 8950x2 or something.

Ramadear

It's not really a rush. Dual GPU cards are the future, this is simply the first sampling. This is more of a test then anything. In fact, they are only making a few of these cards. Look at it this way though... this card costs less then a GTX, but is 30% faster.

[QUOTE="Ramadear"]

Yeah its not to bad, though it just seems like a rush job. I would rather them not had use the 9800 as the title of the card. Its more like a Geforce 8950x2 or something.

rimnet00

It's not really a rush. Dual GPU cards are the future, this is simply the first sampling. This is more of a test then anything. In fact, they are only making a few of these cards. Look at it this way though... this card costs less then a GTX, but is 30% faster.

There has been no word on pricing yet, I don't know why you guys believe rumors.

[QUOTE="xkojimax"][QUOTE="rimnet00"][QUOTE="slothboyadvance"]

What about the rest of the computer? Like the Processor, RAM, and whatnot.

If you're gonna compare the price of a PC to a console... you should really use the whole PC.

slothboyadvance

Except, most people have PCs to begin with. I take it you are using one right now, as opposed to posting on your xbox 360...

the way i look at it, is that, sure, i can upgrade my PC easily with affordable parts, and run games like crysis, cod4, etc, on med-high settings, yes, that IS possible. however, it all adds up to probably more than what a console is. not only that, but within 6 months to a year, newer parts come out, and newer games come out require beefier hardware. so what is there to do? spend more money to upgrade more just to keep up? thats a waste.

That's only if you want to keep every games on its highest settings. Most people are perfectly content dealing with medium settings for a while while parts go down in price.

ok, good point. but regardless, im sure a PC would need upgrading within a after 4 years, even earlier than that. and usually thats how long it takes for a new console to come out. all in all, i can save alot more money with console gaming. don't get me wrong, i LOVE PC gaming, im looking foward to upgrading my PC just for starcraft 2 and guild wars 2 (whenever they come out). i just won't fully be a PC gamer, because it's just way too money heavy.

It's not really a rush. Dual GPU cards are the future, this is simply the first sampling. This is more of a test then anything. In fact, they are only making a few of these cards. Look at it this way though... this card costs less then a GTX, but is 30% faster.

rimnet00

I disagree for a number of reasons. Sli/Crossfire technology needs some work before they can be considered the standard for the future. Think about it this way, one card costs lets say $400 bucks and you get 100% performance. Then you buy a second for $400 and it only increases performance by 30% or so and sometimes not at all. So your paying 2x the price for a 0-30% peformance gain. Not very impressive. Many times the performance gains are very minimum and while some people will say drivers will improve the technology I'd say that's BS. When we get close to 2x the performance on average then I will say that multi gpus are the future. But until then single card solutions are the way to go, while multi gpus are just ways that Nvidia and Ati get people to spend more money.

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]

It's not really a rush. Dual GPU cards are the future, this is simply the first sampling. This is more of a test then anything. In fact, they are only making a few of these cards. Look at it this way though... this card costs less then a GTX, but is 30% faster.

Ramadear

I disagree for a number of reasons. Sli/Crossfire technology needs some work before they can be considered the standard for the future. Think about it this way, one card costs lets say $400 bucks and you get 100% performance. Then you buy a second for $400 and it only increases performance by 30% or so and sometimes not at all. So your paying 2x the price for a 0-30% peformance gain. Not very impressive. Many times the performance gains are very minimum and while some people will say drivers will improve the technology I'd say that's BS. When we get close to 2x the performance on average then I will say that multi gpus are the future. But until then single card solutions are the way to go, while multi gpus are just ways that Nvidia and Ati get people to spend more money.

I meant Dual GPU, as in on the same board/die. Not SLI. Also, I'm not suggesting anyone purchase the GX2 to replace the GTX - clearly that is not worth it. It is however worth it for an the average PC gamer who is upgrading. I don't think it's worth upgrading a GTX until the second phase of 9 series cards.

haha upgrading every year and a half for the price of a console...ill pass and continue using my 7800gtstereointegrity

Who says you have to upgrade? Look at you, your still using the 7800gt. Which isn't a bad card by no means. And how long has the 7xxx series been out? Much more than a year. Also, good luck with buying $60 games.

The most milked group is the Hermits! :lol:

The most milked group is the Hermits! :lol:

PS3_3DO

say's the cow... LOL!!!!!!

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

The most milked group is the Hermits! :lol:

Bebi_vegeta

say's the cow... LOL!!!!!!

Oh I am no Cow. :|

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

The most milked group is the Hermits! :lol:

PS3_3DO

say's the cow... LOL!!!!!!

Oh I am no Cow. :|

You're paying 50 dollars a year just to play games online? Forshame.