The Online Pass (why hurt the dev team?)

I've noticed a lot of people saying that they won't by a game if it has an online pass attached to it.


First thing's first, if you are going to get the game new then it doesn't really matter to you so why not buy it anyway?

Secondly, you're hurting yourselves and the development team. You're hurting yourself by missing out on the actual enjoyment of the game. You're hurting the dev team because they have this awesome game that you refuse to play because of a decision that was made by the publisher.


You guys should realize that dev teams can get shut down for low sales, the publisher is always going to be there. So now you've hurt yourself twice, you missed out on an awesome game and then missed out on the potential games that dev team could have made.

So I ask you, is it worth it to lose great games because of an online pass? State your opinion on the matter.

If you cut the head of the beast now, the beast won't grow. If you allow the beast to stay alive, the beast will grow, flip you around, and you have no choice but to take it up the, you know.

If you cut the head of the beast now, the beast won't grow. If you allow the beast to stay alive, the beast will grow, flip you around, and you have no choice but to take it up the, you know.

ShadowDeathX

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*Xbox/GFW LIVE: Shadow Death X*

If you cut the head of the beast now, the beast won't grow. If you allow the beast to stay alive, the beast will grow, flip you around, and you have no choice but to take it up the, you know.

ShadowDeathX

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]

If you cut the head of the beast now, the beast won't grow. If you allow the beast to stay alive, the beast will grow, flip you around, and you have no choice but to take it up the, you know.

casharmy

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*Xbox/GFW LIVE: Shadow Death X*

First of all f*** online passes. But seriously as long as they don't lock out single player content, that's bull crap I still buy N64, gamecube, and Ps2 games that either I wanted to play but didn't, or I lost or sold them and want to play them again. Now this whole crap may seem harmless now but it wont in 6 or 7 years when they aren't printing the game anymore and used is the only copy I can get and now I can't even play the full game. Just the idea of an online pass makes me not want to buy the game, let it fail, hope the developers lose a lot of money and go out of business they can stop this nonsense.

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]

If you cut the head of the beast now, the beast won't grow. If you allow the beast to stay alive, the beast will grow, flip you around, and you have no choice but to take it up the, you know.

casharmy

In your sig..

*Xbox/GFW LIVE: Shadow Death X*

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]

If you cut the head of the beast now, the beast won't grow. If you allow the beast to stay alive, the beast will grow, flip you around, and you have no choice but to take it up the, you know.

In your sig..

*Xbox/GFW LIVE: Shadow Death X*

First of all f*** online passes. But seriously as long as they don't lock out single player content, that's bull crap I still buy N64, gamecube, and Ps2 games that either I wanted to play but didn't, or I lost or sold them and want to play them again. Now this whole crap may seem harmless now but it wont in 6 or 7 years when they aren't printing the game anymore and used is the only copy I can get and now I can't even play the full game. Just the idea of an online pass makes me not want to buy the game, let it fail, hope the developers lose a lot of money and go out of business they can stop this nonsense.

Jolt_counter119

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

First of all f*** online passes. But seriously as long as they don't lock out single player content, that's bull crap I still buy N64, gamecube, and Ps2 games that either I wanted to play but didn't, or I lost or sold them and want to play them again. Now this whole crap may seem harmless now but it wont in 6 or 7 years when they aren't printing the game anymore and used is the only copy I can get and now I can't even play the full game. Just the idea of an online pass makes me not want to buy the game, let it fail, hope the developers lose a lot of money and go out of business they can stop this nonsense.

lowkey254

First of all f*** online passes. But seriously as long as they don't lock out single player content, that's bull crap I still buy N64, gamecube, and Ps2 games that either I wanted to play but didn't, or I lost or sold them and want to play them again. Now this whole crap may seem harmless now but it wont in 6 or 7 years when they aren't printing the game anymore and used is the only copy I can get and now I can't even play the full game. Just the idea of an online pass makes me not want to buy the game, let it fail, hope the developers lose a lot of money and go out of business they can stop this nonsense.

Jolt_counter119

Just LOL, why are you so butthurt ?!?

I don't care about on-line pass, because if i want a game, i get it day one or later when the price drops. And that statement about the developer is just so awfully wrong. I wish the same to you !

I agree, unless it's that stupid DRM that makes you stay online all the time then I don't care. Alot of people don't understand many of these decisions come from the publisher as opposed to the developer.

Secondly, you're hurting yourselves and the development team.lowkey254

In fact, online passes hurt gamers. It wasn't justified in the past with cutting multiplayer content but now cutting single player content is even worst. But developers and publishers know they can get away with it because gamers somehow don't value their money and buy that.

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]

If you cut the head of the beast now, the beast won't grow. If you allow the beast to stay alive, the beast will grow, flip you around, and you have no choice but to take it up the, you know.

casharmy

In your sig..

*Xbox/GFW LIVE: Shadow Death X*

[QUOTE="lowkey254"]Secondly, you're hurting yourselves and the development team.Miroku32

In fact, online passes hurt gamers. It wasn't justified in the past with cutting multiplayer content but now cutting single player content is even worst. But developers and publishers know they can get away with it because gamers somehow don't value their money and buy that.

Wonder why PC users who got this from many years don't complain

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

First of all f*** online passes. But seriously as long as they don't lock out single player content, that's bull crap I still buy N64, gamecube, and Ps2 games that either I wanted to play but didn't, or I lost or sold them and want to play them again. Now this whole crap may seem harmless now but it wont in 6 or 7 years when they aren't printing the game anymore and used is the only copy I can get and now I can't even play the full game. Just the idea of an online pass makes me not want to buy the game, let it fail, hope the developers lose a lot of money and go out of business they can stop this nonsense.

lowkey254

That's why I wrote "single player content" I think Batman AC did it with a catwomen stage or something and it's only going to get worse.

[QUOTE="lowkey254"][QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

First of all f*** online passes. But seriously as long as they don't lock out single player content, that's bull crap I still buy N64, gamecube, and Ps2 games that either I wanted to play but didn't, or I lost or sold them and want to play them again. Now this whole crap may seem harmless now but it wont in 6 or 7 years when they aren't printing the game anymore and used is the only copy I can get and now I can't even play the full game. Just the idea of an online pass makes me not want to buy the game, let it fail, hope the developers lose a lot of money and go out of business they can stop this nonsense.

Jolt_counter119

That's why I wrote "single player content" I think Batman AC did it with a catwomen stage or something and it's only going to get worse.

I always buy new games, so for me its not a problem if there is an online pass... but I can understand those gamers who get second hand games at a lower price getting upset...

The only alternative for gamers would be wait longer to get a game, when it gets a price-cut... So eveyone is happy, Publishers/devs sell another copy and gamers get it cheaper..

[QUOTE="Miroku32"]

[QUOTE="lowkey254"]Secondly, you're hurting yourselves and the development team.ShadowriverUB

In fact, online passes hurt gamers. It wasn't justified in the past with cutting multiplayer content but now cutting single player content is even worst. But developers and publishers know they can get away with it because gamers somehow don't value their money and buy that.

Wonder why PC users who got this from many years don't complain

what people like you fail to realize is that it's only the begging

what's to stop the dev in the futur from locking important parts of the SP that affects the story

and if you don't believe me just look at Batman AC

I cannot prove it at this point, but I think the online pass is shortsighted. It will provide more revenue for the dev teams up front but may hurt them in the long run as fewer people will buy new games with no used (healthy) market in which to offload them. It may also make folks wait even longer to purchase used games so they drop far lower in price as the comsumer will have to pay an additional fee when they get home to unlock all of the content. This will in turn hurt publishers and the dreaded gamestop, which as much as folks seem to hate good business practices (remember folks, gaming is a hobby) their loss will hurt gamers in the end due to increased costs. At some point a happy medium must be reached, but not before the consumer is ultimately the one taking all of the punches to their wallet, IMO.

i take resistance 3 as an example why online passes arent good , especially for games with not so good multiplayer , the multiplayer is almost dead already , yet online passes even speed up the whole process because the game has low sales so the user base for mulitplayer was rather small to begin with , now with many people selling the game for obvious reasons and the second hand buyers wont be able to play multiplayer from start, if they smart enough they research if it's worth to get the pass and find out that it's not worth it and pass, of course some second hand buyers get it and realize they wasted money on a buggy and dead mutiplayer , the result is that at the end the online pass only hurts the people who bought the game new and those who got the online pass

[QUOTE="Miroku32"]

[QUOTE="lowkey254"]Secondly, you're hurting yourselves and the development team.ShadowriverUB

In fact, online passes hurt gamers. It wasn't justified in the past with cutting multiplayer content but now cutting single player content is even worst. But developers and publishers know they can get away with it because gamers somehow don't value their money and buy that.

Wonder why PC users who got this from many years don't complain

PC games are for life, not just for christmas :P

But seriously, as a rule PC games have more depth then console titles. Most console games are very easy 5 hour eventsas this is what the casual market want, the 'quick fix'.

Wonder why PC users who got this from many years don't complain

ShadowriverUB

I don't think the intent in boycotting games with online passes is to hurt the developers. The intent is to send a loud and clear message to publishers that this kind of stuff is not okay. The developers may be victimized in this scenario but there's no way around it.

I always buy new games, so for me its not a problem if there is an online pass... but I can understand those gamers who get second hand games at a lower price getting upset...

The only alternative for gamers would be wait longer to get a game, when it gets a price-cut... So eveyone is happy, Publishers/devs sell another copy and gamers get it cheaper..

Malta_1980

What people like you fail to realize is that it's only the beginning.

What's to stop the dev in the future from locking important parts of the SP that effects the story.

If you don't believe me just look at Batman AC

TheGrudge13

What people like you fail to realize is that it's only the beginning.

What's to stop the dev in the future from locking important parts of the SP that effects the story.

If you don't believe me just look at Batman AC

TheGrudge13

[QUOTE="Malta_1980"]

I always buy new games, so for me its not a problem if there is an online pass... but I can understand those gamers who get second hand games at a lower price getting upset...

The only alternative for gamers would be wait longer to get a game, when it gets a price-cut... So eveyone is happy, Publishers/devs sell another copy and gamers get it cheaper..

lowkey254

This doesn't really hurts me..

I've noticed a lot of people saying that they won't by a game if it has an online pass attached to it.


First thing's first, if you are going to get the game new then it doesn't really matter to you so why not buy it anyway?

Secondly, you're hurting yourselves and the development team. You're hurting yourself by missing out on the actual enjoyment of the game. You're hurting the dev team because they have this awesome game that you refuse to play because of a decision that was made by the publisher.


You guys should realize that dev teams can get shut down for low sales, the publisher is always going to be there. So now you've hurt yourself twice, you missed out on an awesome game and then missed out on the potential games that dev team could have made.

So I ask you, is it worth it to lose great games because of an online pass? State your opinion on the matter.

lowkey254

[QUOTE="lowkey254"]

I've noticed a lot of people saying that they won't by a game if it has an online pass attached to it.


First thing's first, if you are going to get the game new then it doesn't really matter to you so why not buy it anyway?

Secondly, you're hurting yourselves and the development team. You're hurting yourself by missing out on the actual enjoyment of the game. You're hurting the dev team because they have this awesome game that you refuse to play because of a decision that was made by the publisher.


You guys should realize that dev teams can get shut down for low sales, the publisher is always going to be there. So now you've hurt yourself twice, you missed out on an awesome game and then missed out on the potential games that dev team could have made.

So I ask you, is it worth it to lose great games because of an online pass? State your opinion on the matter.

fadersdream

This issue doesn't hurts me. So it's not really an issue to me.

It's pretty much just the used game crowd that are whining about the pass. Doesn't effect those who buy new.ispeakfact

It's pretty much just the used game crowd that are whining about the pass. Doesn't effect those who buy new.ispeakfact

95% of my game purchases are new and I do not support online passes at all. I will not be buying games new that have online passes (except twisted metal).Androvinus

[QUOTE="fadersdream"]

[QUOTE="lowkey254"]

I've noticed a lot of people saying that they won't by a game if it has an online pass attached to it.


First thing's first, if you are going to get the game new then it doesn't really matter to you so why not buy it anyway?

Secondly, you're hurting yourselves and the development team. You're hurting yourself by missing out on the actual enjoyment of the game. You're hurting the dev team because they have this awesome game that you refuse to play because of a decision that was made by the publisher.


You guys should realize that dev teams can get shut down for low sales, the publisher is always going to be there. So now you've hurt yourself twice, you missed out on an awesome game and then missed out on the potential games that dev team could have made.

So I ask you, is it worth it to lose great games because of an online pass? State your opinion on the matter.

lowkey254

It could look bad to the owners if a game doesn't perform though, hard to say.

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I think the only real solution becomes the same solution that has hurt comic books, movies and toys; Spend less, take less chances and only buy the ones that you feel are really worth the money. Of course this leads to more sequels and annual releases which are also bad for the industry.

First thing's first, if you are going to get the game new then it doesn't really matter to you so why not buy it anyway? Because money is a voting ballot.

Secondly, you're hurting yourselves and the development team. You're hurting yourself by missing out on the actual enjoyment of the game. You're hurting the dev team because they have this awesome game that you refuse to play because of a decision that was made by the publisher. There is no charity in capitalism. Buying a game out of pity for a developer is monumentally stupid. Secondly, it's not so much online passes as it's a slippery slope where publishers will keep taking away priviledges from gamer in order to gain more control over their customers. And they won't stop until consumers say enough is enough by not buying into their crap any longer. And if that means missing out on a few games, then so be it.

You guys should realize that dev teams can get shut down for low sales, the publisher is always going to be there. So now you've hurt yourself twice, you missed out on an awesome game and then missed out on the potential games that dev team could have made. So we should just accept everything a publisher shoves down our throats so the developers will keep existing? I'm sorry, but that's just dumb.lowkey254

Oh, and before anyone starts making assumptions, I'm a PC gamer and I always buy my games new.

It's pretty much just the used game crowd that are whining about the pass. Doesn't effect those who buy new.ispeakfact