The Order is going to be a linear, story-based "filmic" game inspired

So, exactly what kind of game is The Order: 1886?

Ru Weerasuriya: The Order is a third person action adventure with shooting mechanics. Its very much story-based its a linear story-based game. Were trying to tell a story. Its what we call a filmic experience.

"We're trying to give people that similar sense of entertainment. Entertainment comes in big Hollywood blockbusters and small indie movies - it's that. Games don't do that enough. "

GD1551

lol movie-games. lmao consoles.

Jankarcop

Isnt the last "great" PC game a game where you do nothing but walk in a house and read stuff? Yeah, such great gameplay PC games have...

Jumping the bandwagon already. We haven't seen the gameplay, nor know the story.

One could argue those games with simple fun gameplay suffer with a poor story, bad graphics and technicality.

Take Angry Birds for example, simple fun, short, smooth.. nothing immersing or ground breaking, good its own way.
Uncharted 2 has the story, graphics AND GAMEPLAY amongst other things like online which make it, one of the BEST games.

The best games are the combination of it ALL. ie Half Life, Grand Theft Auto Series, Mass Effect, Skyrim, Metal Gear Solid, etc.

Are story games too complex for kids? A plot and theme has been in games since the beginning and its continually developing.

Rather have a deep strong stunning and rememberable game than a simple, backtracking, repetitive game.
All part of the experience.

That's funny. So what looks like it could have been a cool game will be another generic shooter.

Jumping the bandwagon already. We haven't seen the gameplay, nor know the story.

One could argue those games with simple fun gameplay suffer with a poor story, bad graphics and technicality.

Take Angry Birds for example, simple fun, short, smooth.. nothing immersing or ground breaking, good its own way.
Uncharted 2 has the story, graphics AND GAMEPLAY amongst other things like online which make it, one of the BEST games.

The best games are the combination of it ALL. ie Half Life, Grand Theft Auto Series, Mass Effect, Skyrim, Metal Gear Solid, etc.

Are story games too complex for kids? A plot and theme has been in games since the beginning and its continually developing.

Rather have a deep strong stunning and rememberable game than a simple, backtracking, repetitive game.
All part of the experience.

g0ddyX

QFT

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

How about we wait to see the gameplay before prematurely ejaculating ignorance all over your keyboards

Vatusus

This

And LOL @ idiots calling this "Uncharted" just because its cinematic as if Uncharted was the pioneer in cinematic games... :roll:

I think the comparison is coming from this being a linear cinematic story driven TPS which was what Uncharted was. Same genre and same focus.

Jumping the bandwagon already. We haven't seen the gameplay, nor know the story.

One could argue those games with simple fun gameplay suffer with a poor story, bad graphics and technicality.

Take Angry Birds for example, simple fun, short, smooth.. nothing immersing or ground breaking, good its own way.
Uncharted 2 has the story, graphics AND GAMEPLAY amongst other things like online which make it, one of the BEST games.

The best games are the combination of it ALL. ie Half Life, Grand Theft Auto Series, Mass Effect, Skyrim, Metal Gear Solid, etc.

Are story games too complex for kids? A plot and theme has been in games since the beginning and its continually developing.

Rather have a deep strong stunning and rememberable game than a simple, backtracking, repetitive game.
All part of the experience.

g0ddyX

Too bad Uncharted's story was super simple and pretty bad and despite all this the developers forced it down our throats by ruining the gameplay with too many cutscenes and whole chapters that were completely terrible from a gameplay perspective (the opening act, museum heist, ice cave, any portion where you have to climb) just to support a bad plot. I'd rather a solid gameplay experience that doesn't sacrifice quality gameplay and thoughtful design in the service of a brain dead story.

Metroid Prime did it better than any other game I played. The story was told by your surroundings. It was up to you to explore your environment and use your brain to piece together the story. You were always in control and the gameplay was always in tact.

I'm going to say it again for the Sony fanboys prepare yourself for pretty games that are linear and open world games that are empty.

You should try posting everything he said.

It's not about one event following another. It's really about how the craft of making a movie is different from the craft of making a game. We are different as industries, but we have so much commonality. One gap we haven't bridged yet is that we create engines, cameras and lighting. All those things are done for the purpose of a game, in a very game centric way. We decided, okay, let's make the gameplay, but let's take the techniques we've seen in movies.

"Like lenses. How do lenses work? We felt we could build gameplay and at the same time build lenses that were real. In the engine, the lenses we shoot with I actually emulated from real lenses I've used to shoot photography. The guy who directs the game with me has done the same. He does cinematography. I do photography in my free time.

"Graphically it's not a question of making things look better because it's a new generation. It's not in how many polygons or how much better the fidelity is. It's those little techniques like chromatic aberration, like lens distortion.

"How do we build lighting and atmosphere around lighting? On movie sets lights are not just lights. They have a light, but they create with smoke or whatever an atmosphere to give this glow to the light that is kinda fake, but in movies you excuse it because you expect it and it's really cool. You're like, wow, that shot has so much depth. It's got atmosphere. It's got thickness. It's got grittiness. That was the stuff we wanted to bring to games.

"That's filmic."

 

TL;DR Version: He was talking about the presentation and atmosphere of the game. 

 

Nonstop-Madness

[QUOTE="Basinboy"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] no linear is fine except when its stupid linear and you literally have no choice or variety in what your doing and what your fighting. the problem here is its a linear story based FILMIC video game which pretty much means heavy rain or the low interactive movie sequences in uncharted.WilliamRLBaker

And you couldn't make the same choices about who to kill first in UC2 or Halo?

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]

You should try posting everything he said.

It's not about one event following another. It's really about how the craft of making a movie is different from the craft of making a game. We are different as industries, but we have so much commonality. One gap we haven't bridged yet is that we create engines, cameras and lighting. All those things are done for the purpose of a game, in a very game centric way. We decided, okay, let's make the gameplay, but let's take the techniques we've seen in movies.

"Like lenses. How do lenses work? We felt we could build gameplay and at the same time build lenses that were real. In the engine, the lenses we shoot with I actually emulated from real lenses I've used to shoot photography. The guy who directs the game with me has done the same. He does cinematography. I do photography in my free time.

"Graphically it's not a question of making things look better because it's a new generation. It's not in how many polygons or how much better the fidelity is. It's those little techniques like chromatic aberration, like lens distortion.

"How do we build lighting and atmosphere around lighting? On movie sets lights are not just lights. They have a light, but they create with smoke or whatever an atmosphere to give this glow to the light that is kinda fake, but in movies you excuse it because you expect it and it's really cool. You're like, wow, that shot has so much depth. It's got atmosphere. It's got thickness. It's got grittiness. That was the stuff we wanted to bring to games.

"That's filmic."

 

TL;DR Version: He was talking about the presentation and atmosphere of the game. 

 

AcidSoldner

It still doesn't negate this quote

"The Order is a third person action adventure with shooting mechanics. Its very much story-based its a linear story-based game. Were trying to tell a story"

Can i have a link? 

only film type games i like are from quantic dream.

everything else? zzzzzzzzzzzz.

[QUOTE="Vatusus"]

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

How about we wait to see the gameplay before prematurely ejaculating ignorance all over your keyboards

Pikminmaniac

This

And LOL @ idiots calling this "Uncharted" just because its cinematic as if Uncharted was the pioneer in cinematic games... :roll:

I think the comparison is coming from this being a linear cinematic story driven TPS which was what Uncharted was. Same genre and same focus.

letting the words U.C.H.A.R.T.E.D cloud all your reasoning is astoundingly short-sighted.

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

[QUOTE="Vatusus"]

This

And LOL @ idiots calling this "Uncharted" just because its cinematic as if Uncharted was the pioneer in cinematic games... :roll:

Zaibach

I think the comparison is coming from this being a linear cinematic story driven TPS which was what Uncharted was. Same genre and same focus.

letting the words U.C.H.A.R.T.E.D cloud all your reasoning is astoundingly short-sighted.

Tell me about it. One could swear Uncharted killed his parents or somethin...

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

lol movie-games. lmao consoles.

Vatusus

Isnt the last "great" PC game a game where you do nothing but walk in a house and read stuff? Yeah, such great gameplay PC games have...

You walk around a house, solve some puzzles, and slowly piece together what happened with your sister. It's far more comparable to games like Myst than it is to big setpiece, movie games like Uncharted. 

[QUOTE="AcidSoldner"][QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]

You should try posting everything he said.

It's not about one event following another. It's really about how the craft of making a movie is different from the craft of making a game. We are different as industries, but we have so much commonality. One gap we haven't bridged yet is that we create engines, cameras and lighting. All those things are done for the purpose of a game, in a very game centric way. We decided, okay, let's make the gameplay, but let's take the techniques we've seen in movies.

"Like lenses. How do lenses work? We felt we could build gameplay and at the same time build lenses that were real. In the engine, the lenses we shoot with I actually emulated from real lenses I've used to shoot photography. The guy who directs the game with me has done the same. He does cinematography. I do photography in my free time.

"Graphically it's not a question of making things look better because it's a new generation. It's not in how many polygons or how much better the fidelity is. It's those little techniques like chromatic aberration, like lens distortion.

"How do we build lighting and atmosphere around lighting? On movie sets lights are not just lights. They have a light, but they create with smoke or whatever an atmosphere to give this glow to the light that is kinda fake, but in movies you excuse it because you expect it and it's really cool. You're like, wow, that shot has so much depth. It's got atmosphere. It's got thickness. It's got grittiness. That was the stuff we wanted to bring to games.

"That's filmic."

 

TL;DR Version: He was talking about the presentation and atmosphere of the game. 

 

Pikminmaniac

It still doesn't negate this quote

"The Order is a third person action adventure with shooting mechanics. Its very much story-based its a linear story-based game. Were trying to tell a story"

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

I think the comparison is coming from this being a linear cinematic story driven TPS which was what Uncharted was. Same genre and same focus.

Vatusus

letting the words U.C.H.A.R.T.E.D cloud all your reasoning is astoundingly short-sighted.

Tell me about it. One could swear Uncharted killed his parents or somethin...

Dude... I dunno if you knew this, but Uncharted 2 did kill his puppy.

It was just a random system warrior monday afternoon, browsing the forums and playing some pikmin when all of a sudden, Nathan Drake busted down the door in cinematic flash. He ran down the linear corridors of the house as if it was all he knew until he found the puppy. There he killed the puppy in cold blood, all the while, cracking jokes as he murdered. He escaped the crime scene using cookie-cutter-hold-your-hand-platforming.

When the police finally got him, they tried to press charges but Drake got away with it because his graphics were too good.

lol never got thank the guy who originally posted this

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

lol movie-games. lmao consoles.

Vatusus

Isnt the last "great" PC game a game where you do nothing but walk in a house and read stuff? Yeah, such great gameplay PC games have...

There's a difference though.

Interactive story-telling is the main thing that sets video games above other mediums. You don't simply watch a story unfold, or read it, or listen to it. You yourself are involved in the story unfolding in front of you.

There are dozens upon dozens of examples of "cinematic/filmic" video games that don't do that at all though. The only interaction tends to come from you slaughtering hundreds of people as a super soldier, and the story unfolds during cutscenes, or set pieces that your character's vision is funneled towards. The story is completely out of your hands, and it's a huge problem to how game designers create their games. They aren't using the strengths of the medium to tell their stories. They're giving you a two hour movie with intermissions every 5 minutes to go kill bad guys.

When a developer says their intention is to mimic the style of entertainment that movies bring us then it has me very worried about what the game will be like.

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

[QUOTE="Vatusus"]

This

And LOL @ idiots calling this "Uncharted" just because its cinematic as if Uncharted was the pioneer in cinematic games... :roll:

Zaibach

I think the comparison is coming from this being a linear cinematic story driven TPS which was what Uncharted was. Same genre and same focus.

letting the words U.C.H.A.R.T.E.D cloud all your reasoning is astoundingly short-sighted.

But the developers said it... It's a TPS that's focused on the story.

Here is what I don't get - there was a group of people, and still are, that are disappointed in MP-only shooters, and aren't interested unless there is a singleplayer component. Let's consider this also, almost ALL of the biggest games announced or shown at E3 this year (The Crew, The Division, Destiny, Dragon Age Inquisition, Dead Rising 3, Watch_Dogs, AC4, inFamous SS, MGS5) are all open world, non-traditional linear titles. We have a more diverse lineup of genres and are finally getting amazing open world games from a variety of sources and franchises. And somehow, linear games are still considered a bane?

The experience that they are setting up in The Order flys in the face of all that, and gives gamers who are interested in a more set-piece, story driven experience something that they can enjoy. And yet somehow, **** those guys? There is literally no way of pleasing gamers.

If you don't like games like Uncharted or if you feel that 'linear' is a dirty word that prevents you from enjoying games, then please understand that they aren't trying to sell you anything else. The developers of these kind of games are telling you upfront what they are and why they are that way and are doing the hard, thankless work it takes to make them awesome and incredibly compelling experiences. If you don't enjoy them, fine, but don't think developers are obligated to target YOUR tastes and YOUR tastes alone. Its reasoning like that that got us the cookie-cutter CoD-style games and multiplayers from almost all FPS's this generation.

[QUOTE="Vatusus"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

lol movie-games. lmao consoles.

treedoor

Isnt the last "great" PC game a game where you do nothing but walk in a house and read stuff? Yeah, such great gameplay PC games have...

There's a difference though.

Interactive story-telling is the main thing that sets video games above other mediums. You don't simply watch a story unfold, or read it, or listen to it. You yourself are involved in the story unfolding in front of you.

There are dozens upon dozens of examples of "cinematic/filmic" video games that don't do that at all though. The only interaction tends to come from you slaughtering hundreds of people as a super soldier, and the story unfolds during cutscenes, or set pieces that your character's vision is funneled towards. The story is completely out of your hands, and it's a huge problem to how game designers create their games. They aren't using the strengths of the medium to tell their stories. They're giving you a two hour movie with intermissions every 5 minutes to go kill bad guys.

When a developer says their intention is to mimic the style of entertainment that movies bring us then it has me very worried about what the game will be like.

I like you more everyday good sir :oops:

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

lol movie-games. lmao consoles.

Vatusus

Isnt the last "great" PC game a game where you do nothing but walk in a house and read stuff? Yeah, such great gameplay PC games have...

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

Jumping the bandwagon already. We haven't seen the gameplay, nor know the story.

One could argue those games with simple fun gameplay suffer with a poor story, bad graphics and technicality.

Take Angry Birds for example, simple fun, short, smooth.. nothing immersing or ground breaking, good its own way.
Uncharted 2 has the story, graphics AND GAMEPLAY amongst other things like online which make it, one of the BEST games.

The best games are the combination of it ALL. ie Half Life, Grand Theft Auto Series, Mass Effect, Skyrim, Metal Gear Solid, etc.

Are story games too complex for kids? A plot and theme has been in games since the beginning and its continually developing.

Rather have a deep strong stunning and rememberable game than a simple, backtracking, repetitive game.
All part of the experience.

Pikminmaniac

Too bad Uncharted's story was super simple and pretty bad and despite all this the developers forced it down our throats by ruining the gameplay with too many cutscenes and whole chapters that were completely terrible from a gameplay perspective (the opening act, museum heist, ice cave, any portion where you have to climb) just to support a bad plot. I'd rather a solid gameplay experience that doesn't sacrifice quality gameplay and thoughtful design in the service of a brain dead story.

Metroid Prime did it better than any other game I played. The story was told by your surroundings. It was up to you to explore your environment and use your brain to piece together the story. You were always in control and the gameplay was always in tact.

Yea im guessing you me and you played two different games.

" Its very much story-based its a linear story-based game. Were trying to tell a story. Its what we call a filmic experience. " sounds just like the shit cows eat uplamprey263

They've been defensive as f*ck over the last couple of pages, oozing insecurity like crazy. Watch out, they might squirt their milk all over this thread.

should every game be open world now :? I guess that you guys would hate games like super mario world, god of war, gears of war and so on...

[QUOTE="lamprey263"]" Its very much story-based its a linear story-based game. Were trying to tell a story. Its what we call a filmic experience. " sounds just like the shit cows eat upLucianu

They've been defensive as f*ck over the last couple of pages, oozing insecurity like crazy. Watch out, they might squirt their milk all over this thread.

Great, the one PS exclusive I was looking forward to is going to be trash like uncharted.

GD1551

Suuuuuuuure you were.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]Great, the one PS exclusive I was looking forward to is going to be trash like uncharted.

Pariah_001

Suuuuuuuure you were.

Why wouldn't I be? The only console I'm getting is the PS4.

So, exactly what kind of game is The Order: 1886?

Ru Weerasuriya: The Order is a third person action adventure with shooting mechanics. Its very much story-based its a linear story-based game. Were trying to tell a story. Its what we call a filmic experience.

"We're trying to give people that similar sense of entertainment. Entertainment comes in big Hollywood blockbusters and small indie movies - it's that. Games don't do that enough. "

GD1551

Great, the one PS exclusive I was looking forward to is going to be trash like uncharted.

Sounds great, some times linear games feels better than all these open world games:)

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

So, exactly what kind of game is The Order: 1886?

Ru Weerasuriya: The Order is a third person action adventure with shooting mechanics. Its very much story-based its a linear story-based game. Were trying to tell a story. Its what we call a filmic experience.

"We're trying to give people that similar sense of entertainment. Entertainment comes in big Hollywood blockbusters and small indie movies - it's that. Games don't do that enough. "

campzor

Great, the one PS exclusive I was looking forward to is going to be trash like uncharted.

I used those because you PS fanboys were hating on titanfall without even playing it or it being released and spreading false information like it was COD. UC1 and UC3 has released so I can have my take on them and here I'm merely repeating what the devs themselves have said.

Im fine with that... not all games can be open world. I was getting affraid next gen would be open world one after the other.

ManatuBeard

[QUOTE="ManatuBeard"]

Im fine with that... not all games can be open world. I was getting affraid next gen would be open world one after the other.

Rattlesnake_8

Yes, because obviously the only possible options are completely open world or incredibly linear, corridor shooter :roll:

Still haven't seen gameplay, so I am neither more or less excited for this than I was before I read what was said. 

But this certainly won't be a problem for me. 

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]Great, the one PS exclusive I was looking forward to is going to be trash like uncharted.

GD1551

Suuuuuuuure you were.

Why wouldn't I be? The only console I'm getting is the PS4.

I believe you. I do.

I really really really really really really don't...

...I mean do!