The PS3 is venturing into the territory where it may actually be DISCONTINUED

Try to downplay it all you want, but the PS3 falling to a pitiful 8k of sales a week in Japan, and and perhaps an even more shocking 80 k in NA monthly sales does not bode well for a company that just posted a 2 billion dollar loss in its gaming division (which wiped out their previous 4 years of profits), a company that is laying off employee's, had to replace the head of their gaming division, and already discontinue the 20 gb version of the PS3. 

Sony is in full panick mode, and for good reason. The prospect of the PS3 being discontinued is no longer a Systemwars-ish assertion... it's on the way to becoming a fully blown reality.

Sony's situation has quickly regressed into a nightmare scenario, and the outcome may also be nightmarish. I'm not a big Sony fan, but I hope the PS3 pulls through as I would hate to see Sony leave the console business.    

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]

Try to downplay it all you want, but the PS3 falling to a pitiful 8k of sales a week in Japan, and and perhaps an even more shocking 80 k in NA monthly sales does not bode well for a company that just posted a 2 billion dollar loss in its gaming division (which wiped out their previous 4 years of profits), a company that is laying off employee's, had to replace the head of their gaming division, and already discontinue the 20 gb version of the PS3.

Sony is in full panick mode, and for good reason. The prospect of the PS3 being discontinued is no longer to be considered a fanboy assertion... it's on the way to becoming a fully blown reality.

Sony's situation has quickly turned into a nightmare scenario, and the outcome may also be nightmarish. I'm not a big Sony fan, but I hope the PS3 pulls through as I would hate to see Sony leave the console business.

mubarakibnumar

LMFAO.u a sony fan.Yeah right and bush has an iq of 200 

I'll eat my PS2 if the PS3 is discontinued anytime soon.Verge_6

I'll eat my PS2 if the PS3 is discontinued anytime soon.Verge_6

Get ready to be picking plastic out of your teeth for a couple  months then 

it's lost 2 billion in 6 months. at this rate sony may not have a choice.

i'm guessing and early ps4 launch.

Try to downplay it all you want, but the PS3 falling to a pitiful 8k of sales a week in Japan, and and perhaps an even more shocking 80 k in NA monthly sales does not bode well for a company that just posted a 2 billion dollar loss in its gaming division (which wiped out their previous 4 years of profits), a company that is laying off employee's, had to replace the head of their gaming division, and already discontinue the 20 gb version of the PS3. 

Sony is in full panick mode, and for good reason. The prospect of the PS3 being discontinued is no longer a Systemwars-ish assertion... it's on the way to becoming a fully blown reality.

Sony's situation has quickly regressed into a nightmare scenario, and the outcome may also be nightmarish. I'm not a big Sony fan, but I hope the PS3 pulls through as I would hate to see Sony leave the console business.    

jedigemini

PS3 will be around until this generation and that is the end of this debate...

The sad fact is that a discontinue of the PS brand is no longer impossible.

No one expected the dreamcast to be the end of Sega.

Even though SONY is in no way the same situation, the PS3 drains far more cash then the DC ever did. haols

The bigger they are the harder they fall. Sony has invested insane amounts of money into the console expecting success. 

The sad fact is that a discontinue of the PS brand is no longer impossible.

No one expected the dreamcast to be the end of Sega.

Even though SONY is in no way the same situation, the PS3 drains far more cash then the DC ever did. haols

Come on, give it time. There are two games worth owning on it at the moment, I'm sure once Christmas hits it will be selling like hot cakes.nickmag

The PS3 will not be discontinued anytime soon, but I'm curious as to why you think it will be selling like hotcakes? I've been considering buying one just because I want all the consoles, but what game is going to be the system seller? MGS4 has been delayed until March and may go mult-platform. Lair or Heavenly Sword? They look great, but will they really move consoles? I really want a healthy competition between the consoles. It makes for great 1st party games and real innovation. I'm just not seeing it from Sony. Halo 3 is a system seller and you know MS will have a Halo 3 themed Xbox 360.

People play the software, not the console. They are forced to buy a console to play the games. They want a console to be as cheap as possible to let them do this.

This is why Wii is destroying PS3, people don't give a **** about new technology, they just want to play games as cheaply as possible. Sony don't understand this which is why PS3 IS the next Dreamcast, but without the good games...

MGS4 is going to 360, of that I'm 100% certain, PS3 sales are simply to low to keep it exclusive.

Here is the a link for the financial analyst who started this thread!

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/may2007/gb20070517_719071.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_global+business

The PS3 will not be discontinued anytime soon, but I'm curious as to why you think it will be selling like hotcakes? I've been considering buying one just because I want all the consoles, but what game is going to be the system seller? MGS4 has been delayed until March and may go mult-platform. Lair or Heavenly Sword? They look great, but will they really move consoles? I really want a healthy competition between the consoles. It makes for great 1st party games and real innovation. I'm just not seeing it from Sony. Halo 3 is a system seller and you know MS will have a Halo 3 themed Xbox 360.

vader327

[QUOTE="haols"]The sad fact is that a discontinue of the PS brand is no longer impossible.

No one expected the dreamcast to be the end of Sega.

Even though SONY is in no way the same situation, the PS3 drains far more cash then the DC ever did. nickmag

Obviously you can't compete with Halo, not even MGS doesn't appeal to anywhere near the kind of audience Halo has. What the PS3 does have in it's favour is potential. FF, MGS, Ratchet and Clank are all coming out within roughly a years time from now (maybe a little longer for FF) henceforth I always believed that most potential PS3 owners are still waiting in the wings until christmas time to shell out for their console of choice. I also believe that the PS3 is more of a 'family' console choice, seeing as it appeals to the older and younger masses (not as much as the 360 appeals to the older, whilst the Wii appeals to the younger), so if a family was to purchase one machine it would most likely be the PS3 soon (also for it's blu-ray capabilities). All personal opinion though etc
nickmag

I agree with much of what you said except the last part. Families are clearly opting for the Wii due to pricepoint. The PS3 appeals to me for my Theater Room due to Blu-Ray, but it's a niche market right now. Either way, Sony needs to beat the 360 this Christmas. I'm just not sure the games are there. Potential sold the PS3 to the hard core folks, but the 360 is really delivering the goods. PS3 has enough good games coming to satisfy current owners, but where is the big one that will move systems?

Although the PS3 is in big trouble, it seems too early to predict its demise. Sony is much bigger than Sega. We'll have a clearer picture this holiday season.

Try to downplay it all you want, but the PS3 falling to a pitiful 8k of sales a week in Japan, and and perhaps an even more shocking 80 k in NA monthly sales does not bode well for a company that just posted a 2 billion dollar loss in its gaming division (which wiped out their previous 4 years of profits), a company that is laying off employee's, had to replace the head of their gaming division, and already discontinue the 20 gb version of the PS3.

Sony is in full panick mode, and for good reason. The prospect of the PS3 being discontinued is no longer a Systemwars-ish assertion... it's on the way to becoming a fully blown reality.

Sony's situation has quickly regressed into a nightmare scenario, and the outcome may also be nightmarish. I'm not a big Sony fan, but I hope the PS3 pulls through as I would hate to see Sony leave the console business.

jedigemini

Finally someone in this forum that has some sense of how big corporations act in this kind of a situation. Sony can't keep bleeding red because of one division. Something WILL have to give soon at Sony. I think they'll try to get through this holiday season, but if things don't improve after that, I expect drastic changes from Sony.

So its wait till holiday season 07 now?

 Wow where is that list with all the: "wait till (insert event/holiday/game here)" 

It must be growing steadily 

[QUOTE="haols"]The sad fact is that a discontinue of the PS brand is no longer impossible.

No one expected the dreamcast to be the end of Sega.

Even though SONY is in no way the same situation, the PS3 drains far more cash then the DC ever did. nickmag

Not entirely accurate.  Sony Corp is the parent company of several individual companies that together comprise of the whole and are publicly traded under one stock.  SCEA is one of those companies that fall under Sony Corp.  Think of it like each individual state is sovereign but fall under the ultimate governance of the federa gov.  Except in Sony's and SCEA's case, Sony can pick who is the Govenor of the state, so to speak.  And if one state's economy fails (SCEA) it gets to take all the profits of the neighbor state (SONY Pictures Entertainment) to balance the fed economy.

So, to your statement - SCEA is not bigger than SEGA.  The bottom line is that Sony Corp will give PS3 more time to turn around into a viable business.  But Sony is a smart company - they simply will not keep the PS3 around if it continues to drain the company.  Stockholders have never in the history of publicly traded companies allowed for such a situation - and they, despite who you might think - have the ultimate say.

3 million plus buying a console at what is labeled as an "outrageous" price with few games.Mizuke

 The Wii has proven that price point is extremely important, it has 1 game that gamers consider worth a poop yet look at its sales they don't need a price drop for a while as demand is still high.  MS sits in the middle of the road but can't seem to sell enough, while Halo 3 will push sales a price drop will drive sales more.

Here is the a link for the financial analyst who started this thread!

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/may2007/gb20070517_719071.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_global+business

Ericvon71

It doesn't matter. System Wars is full of MBA holders from some of the most recognized Business schools in the country. In fact, during my junior year of school at UT-Austin we were told that in lieu of actually attending lectures we could just read System Wars all day long and absorb all of the real business knowledge we would ever need.

[QUOTE="vader327"]

The PS3 will not be discontinued anytime soon, but I'm curious as to why you think it will be selling like hotcakes? I've been considering buying one just because I want all the consoles, but what game is going to be the system seller? MGS4 has been delayed until March and may go mult-platform. Lair or Heavenly Sword? They look great, but will they really move consoles? I really want a healthy competition between the consoles. It makes for great 1st party games and real innovation. I'm just not seeing it from Sony. Halo 3 is a system seller and you know MS will have a Halo 3 themed Xbox 360.

nickmag

[QUOTE="vader327"]

The PS3 will not be discontinued anytime soon, but I'm curious as to why you think it will be selling like hotcakes? I've been considering buying one just because I want all the consoles, but what game is going to be the system seller? MGS4 has been delayed until March and may go mult-platform. Lair or Heavenly Sword? They look great, but will they really move consoles? I really want a healthy competition between the consoles. It makes for great 1st party games and real innovation. I'm just not seeing it from Sony. Halo 3 is a system seller and you know MS will have a Halo 3 themed Xbox 360.

nickmag

[QUOTE="Mizuke"]3 million plus buying a console at what is labeled as an "outrageous" price with few games.DGZeus

 The Wii has proven that price point is extremely important, it has 1 game that gamers consider worth a poop yet look at its sales they don't need a price drop for a while as demand is still high.  MS sits in the middle of the road but can't seem to sell enough, while Halo 3 will push sales a price drop will drive sales more.

Don't confuse cows with facts & logic. They don't like it. ;)

To them, a $600 console is actually cheap and anyone is a fool to think otherwise.

No.

I'll eat my PS2 if the PS3 is discontinued anytime soon.Verge_6

i came in here, and thought, oh another greg_splicer /nasos thread this could be fun. and saw it was jedigemini, and that guys threads are never good. you know if the ps3 was selling better they wouldve lost way more money right ? you think sony didnt plan to take a hit like this ?

do you know why they acquired all the movie studios and are now the biggest movie studio on the planet, and they broke profit records in 2006 in that studio and had the most #1 movies of all time ? and now they seem to be continuing the trend with spiderman 3 on a faster pace than both 2 and 1 were and all the other movies they have coming. pirates coming exclusive on bluray, etc, etc. this hit was a part of the bluray investment, and ivestments take time to pay off not 3 months.Chris-Hansen

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"]i came in here, and thought, oh another greg_splicer /nasos thread this could be fun. and saw it was jedigemini, and that guys threads are never good. you know if the ps3 was selling better they wouldve lost way more money right ? you think sony didnt plan to take a hit like this ?

do you know why they acquired all the movie studios and are now the biggest movie studio on the planet, and they broke profit records in 2006 in that studio and had the most #1 movies of all time ? and now they seem to be continuing the trend with spiderman 3 on a faster pace than both 2 and 1 were and all the other movies they have coming. pirates coming exclusive on bluray, etc, etc. this hit was a part of the bluray investment, and ivestments take time to pay off not 3 months.bluebrad1974

This must be some bait tactic Dateline is using to expose internet fanboy violence.  NICE TRY BUDDY!

First off, no, it did NOT wipe out 4 years of profits.  Not from SCE or even from Sony as a whole.

2nd, I'm surprised everyone still thinks these companies are just in the business for the gamers.  This is not some side project to be scuttled at the first sign of adversity.  Many companies for a long time have quested after the ultimate set-top box that will channel all of your entertainment to you.  Sony and MS realized that their odds of success were greater if they supplied a box that had been accepted more than a decade before, the game console, to achieve these ends.  This battle isn't just among hardware boxes, it also entails formats, codecs and content over various genres and for everyone in the household.  So, no; Sony will not be rebutted by a couple billion dollar loss any more than MS has been with their own multiple, billion dollar losses in this endeavour.  Nintendo, meanwhile, seems to be enjoying their "good guy", underdog, "just for gamers" image even though they somehow managed to get just about every aspect of an online console (including shopping) working, except for playing games online.  Whether this is an act to be more surreptitious and less upfront than Sony and MS; or if it is more telling on Nintendo's insistence of the highest quality in what they do, has yet to be seen.

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"]i came in here, and thought, oh another greg_splicer /nasos thread this could be fun. and saw it was jedigemini, and that guys threads are never good. you know if the ps3 was selling better they wouldve lost way more money right ? you think sony didnt plan to take a hit like this ?

do you know why they acquired all the movie studios and are now the biggest movie studio on the planet, and they broke profit records in 2006 in that studio and had the most #1 movies of all time ? and now they seem to be continuing the trend with spiderman 3 on a faster pace than both 2 and 1 were and all the other movies they have coming. pirates coming exclusive on bluray, etc, etc. this hit was a part of the bluray investment, and ivestments take time to pay off not 3 months.bluebrad1974