The PS3 Will Prove Its Power In 2009

Those of you who remember the early days of the PS2 will remember the ongoing joke amongst those who didn't like the console. It went something like, "oh yeah, where's all that 'hidden power'?" They said this because Sony promised the system was capable of a lot more than the launch titles presented, and obviously, the likes of God of War II, Final Fantasy XII and Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater can't really be compared to the likes of Summoner, Tekken Tag Tournament and TimeSplitters. It's like comparing two different platforms, really, which essentially verified Sony's claims. However, most just remember that old joke, and were quick to apply it to the PlayStation 3. Of course, PlayStation consoles are notoriously difficult to develop for initially, so the jokes endure but typically, Sony has the last laugh.

And now that we're entering the third year of the generation, is it now time for the PS3 to separate itself from the Xbox 360 in terms of visuals? Speaking strictly in regards to raw power and potential, the PS3 has the definite edge, but the question has always been: "can the developers even tap into it? Can they take advantage?" Well, let's just say this. We've already sampled the Killzone 2 beta and early single-player build. We've seen what Heavy Rain gameplay looks like. We've heard David Jaffe rave his head off after seeing some of God of War III. Uncharted 2 will look amazing (as did the original), and is anyone really expecting anything less than a graphically astounding presentation in Gran Turismo 5?

First of all, I really don't see anything in Microsoft or Nintendo's 2009 lineup that can compete with these exclusives next year, but for the sake of this piece, I'm specifically centering on the graphics. Thus far, the argument can rage- Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots and LittleBigPlanet vs. Gears of War II, Halo 3, Left 4 Dead and other graphically intense 360 titles. Which batch is better? The anal visual freaks could go on for days.

But perhaps the argument dies next year. As was the case with the Xbox and PS2 - everyone had to admit the Xbox was more capable, and typically produced better-looking titles - perhaps it will be time for everyone to concede that the 360 can't compete with the PS3. Many theorize that while the PS3 has a loooong ways to go in terms of potential,the 360 is just about maxed out, and unless I see concrete evidence of 360 titles vastly outstripping the current productions in 2009 and beyond, I think the conclusion is clear. Most developers and analysts said the exact same thing, even at the start of the PS3's lifespan, when it was all doom and gloom.

They said the PS3 will eventually pass the 360 in terms of graphics, and that day may be fast approaching. Let me repeat the list: Killzone 2, God of War III, Heavy Rain, Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, and Gran Turismo 5. All I'm asking - and it's a legitimate question - is what in Microsoft's or Nintendo's exclusive repertoire can compete with that as far as overall quality is concerned? And what on the 360 can compete where the graphics are concerned?

Honestly, even the most ardent Xbox lover has to admit that things could change drastically in 2009. And remember, I was one of the first to acknowledge the Xbox over the PS2; I bought most all multiplatform titles on Microsoft's console last generation. This time around? I'm thinking not. And especially when talking about the exclusives, it appears to be game, set and match in favor of Sony...

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I can't wait until 2009 finally kicks off!

Ugg, why do you have to put yourself out there like that. The PS3 was suppose to prove it's power and strength in 07 and 08. Not saying it's bad, just that the 360 has managed to outlast every year the PS3 was suppose to own everything hard.

I don't really see the PS3 really pulling itself away from the 360 in terms of graphics, at least not a considerable difference. They will both get better as programmers learn tricks to get more power out of both of them. They are both so close in power that it really doesn't make a difference. If people really think that the PS3 will do anything that the 360 can't and vise versa, then it is just denial and fanboyism.T-Aldous

i only own an ps3 and i agree, There wont be any significant difference in power or graphics, like xbox and ps2. The xbox had more power and better graphics, but it want that easy to tell.

Well it's pretty obvious that graphics are continuing to advance on the PS3... I'm betting games on the system will look even better in 2010 (I don't think all the power will be tapped next year). The real question is whether or not the 360 is running out of juice... I think it will still have some games next year that look better than this year, but so far it doesn't look like it has anything that will compete against the PS3's big hitters graphically. But I do think Ninja Blade looks pretty sweet... the only game announced for 2009 that I'm looking forward to on the 360 so far.Sgt_Hale

Well it's pretty obvious that graphics are continuing to advance on the PS3... I'm betting games on the system will look even better in 2010 (I don't think all the power will be tapped next year). The real question is whether or not the 360 is running out of juice... I think it will still have some games next year that look better than this year, but so far it doesn't look like it has anything that will compete against the PS3's big hitters graphically. But I do think Ninja Blade looks pretty sweet... the only game announced for 2009 that I'm looking forward to on the 360 so far.Sgt_Hale

I don't really see the PS3 really pulling itself away from the 360 in terms of graphics, at least not a considerable difference. They will both get better as programmers learn tricks to get more power out of both of them. They are both so close in power that it really doesn't make a difference. If people really think that the PS3 will do anything that the 360 can't and vise versa, then it is just denial and fanboyism.T-Aldous

You know, by the time the PS3 definitively surpasses the 360, the third XBOX will be knocking on the door and no-one will care about slightly better textures and lighting effects. Heck, if you liked the PS2 ahead of the XBOX, you never really did care about those things.Shafftehr

[QUOTE="Sgt_Hale"]Well it's pretty obvious that graphics are continuing to advance on the PS3... I'm betting games on the system will look even better in 2010 (I don't think all the power will be tapped next year). The real question is whether or not the 360 is running out of juice... I think it will still have some games next year that look better than this year, but so far it doesn't look like it has anything that will compete against the PS3's big hitters graphically. But I do think Ninja Blade looks pretty sweet... the only game announced for 2009 that I'm looking forward to on the 360 so far.T-Aldous

[QUOTE="T-Aldous"]I don't really see the PS3 really pulling itself away from the 360 in terms of graphics, at least not a considerable difference. They will both get better as programmers learn tricks to get more power out of both of them. They are both so close in power that it really doesn't make a difference. If people really think that the PS3 will do anything that the 360 can't and vise versa, then it is just denial and fanboyism.Sgt_Hale

[QUOTE="T-Aldous"][QUOTE="Sgt_Hale"]Well it's pretty obvious that graphics are continuing to advance on the PS3... I'm betting games on the system will look even better in 2010 (I don't think all the power will be tapped next year). The real question is whether or not the 360 is running out of juice... I think it will still have some games next year that look better than this year, but so far it doesn't look like it has anything that will compete against the PS3's big hitters graphically. But I do think Ninja Blade looks pretty sweet... the only game announced for 2009 that I'm looking forward to on the 360 so far.Sgt_Hale

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]You know, by the time the PS3 definitively surpasses the 360, the third XBOX will be knocking on the door and no-one will care about slightly better textures and lighting effects. Heck, if you liked the PS2 ahead of the XBOX, you never really did care about those things.jaycouvera

Which power? Hardware is limiting it you can learn few nice tricks and optimisation and thats about it. And every console have bether looking games near end of its life not only play station and thats because devs become bether with hardware.

But ps3 and x360 have similar power and there cant be some huge mindblowing difference like,for example, between high end pc running crysis and x360/ps3

Those of you who remember the early days of the PS2 will remember the ongoing joke amongst those who didn't like the console. It went something like, "oh yeah, where's all that 'hidden power'?" They said this because Sony promised the system was capable of a lot more than the launch titles presented, and obviously, the likes of God of War II, Final Fantasy XII and Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater can't really be compared to the likes of Summoner, Tekken Tag Tournament and TimeSplitters. It's like comparing two different platforms, really, which essentially verified Sony's claims. However, most just remember that old joke, and were quick to apply it to the PlayStation 3. Of course, PlayStation consoles are notoriously difficult to develop for initially, so the jokes endure but typically, Sony has the last laugh.

And now that we're entering the third year of the generation, is it now time for the PS3 to separate itself from the Xbox 360 in terms of visuals? Speaking strictly in regards to raw power and potential, the PS3 has the definite edge, but the question has always been: "can the developers even tap into it? Can they take advantage?" Well, let's just say this. We've already sampled the Killzone 2 beta and early single-player build. We've seen what Heavy Rain gameplay looks like. We've heard David Jaffe rave his head off after seeing some of God of War III. Uncharted 2 will look amazing (as did the original), and is anyone really expecting anything less than a graphically astounding presentation in Gran Turismo 5?

First of all, I really don't see anything in Microsoft or Nintendo's 2009 lineup that can compete with these exclusives next year, but for the sake of this piece, I'm specifically centering on the graphics. Thus far, the argument can rage- Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots and LittleBigPlanet vs. Gears of War II, Halo 3, Left 4 Dead and other graphically intense 360 titles. Which batch is better? The anal visual freaks could go on for days.

But perhaps the argument dies next year. As was the case with the Xbox and PS2 - everyone had to admit the Xbox was more capable, and typically produced better-looking titles - perhaps it will be time for everyone to concede that the 360 can't compete with the PS3. Many theorize that while the PS3 has a loooong ways to go in terms of potential,the 360 is just about maxed out, and unless I see concrete evidence of 360 titles vastly outstripping the current productions in 2009 and beyond, I think the conclusion is clear. Most developers and analysts said the exact same thing, even at the start of the PS3's lifespan, when it was all doom and gloom.

They said the PS3 will eventually pass the 360 in terms of graphics, and that day may be fast approaching. Let me repeat the list: Killzone 2, God of War III, Heavy Rain, Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, and Gran Turismo 5. All I'm asking - and it's a legitimate question - is what in Microsoft's or Nintendo's exclusive repertoire can compete with that as far as overall quality is concerned? And what on the 360 can compete where the graphics are concerned?

Honestly, even the most ardent Xbox lover has to admit that things could change drastically in 2009. And remember, I was one of the first to acknowledge the Xbox over the PS2; I bought most all multiplatform titles on Microsoft's console last generation. This time around? I'm thinking not. And especially when talking about the exclusives, it appears to be game, set and match in favor of Sony...

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I can't wait until 2009 finally kicks off!

jakarai

Sony's white paper shows 5 SPUs(or SPEs) to be equal with a 20 pixel shader enabled Geforce 7800GTX (512MB VARM, 256bit wide bus, 16 ROPS) in deferred render performance.

RSX has 8 ROPS and 128bit 256MB VRAM (~22.5GB/s). PPE+7SPEs are active in it's own bus.

We also know in Crysis 1.2, Geforce 8600 GT surpluses Geforce 7950GT in SLI mode.

Refer to http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-charts-q3-2008/Crysis-v1-21,747.html

Geforce 7 series has a design issue i.e. unable to process concurrent shader/math and texture operations. NVIDIA fixed this problem with the Geforce 8 series i.e. decoupled shader/math and texture units.

[QUOTE="Sgt_Hale"][QUOTE="T-Aldous"]I really doubt that the 360 is running out of juice. Game developers have no idea of how much power a console really has. I have a PSM magazine from when Def Jam Icon came out and they said that they were maxing out the PS3 back then. Do ya really think that PS3 was maxed out by that game? Come on its not rocket science.T-Aldous

:? What games have you been playing?! MGS4 was an improvement over everything! Resistance 2 was definitely an improvement over R&C. Valkyria Chronicles is one of the most beautiful games out right now (not saying that it couldn't be done on the 360 by any means, but it wasn't). LBP looks better than any platformer that came out this gen. And however minor, Gears 2 does look better than Gears 1. There have been plenty of advances... it's just that most of them were on the PS3.

[QUOTE="T-Aldous"][QUOTE="Sgt_Hale"]I haven't really seen any graphics "advance" this year on any system. I'm not basing my comments off of what any developers have said... I'm basing them off of what I've seen on the system. With the small exception of Gears 2, the graphics didn't advance at all this year!Sgt_Hale

:? What games have you been playing?! MGS4 was an improvement over everything! Resistance 2 was definitely an improvement over R&C. Valkyria Chronicles is one of the most beautiful games out right now (not saying that it couldn't be done on the 360 by any means, but it wasn't). LBP looks better than any platformer that came out this gen. And however minor, Gears 2 does look better than Gears 1. There have been plenty of advances... it's just that most of them were on the PS3.

[QUOTE="T-Aldous"]I don't really see the PS3 really pulling itself away from the 360 in terms of graphics, at least not a considerable difference. They will both get better as programmers learn tricks to get more power out of both of them. They are both so close in power that it really doesn't make a difference. If people really think that the PS3 will do anything that the 360 can't and vise versa, then it is just denial and fanboyism.Sgt_Hale

Those of you who remember the early days of the PS2 will remember the ongoing joke amongst those who didn't like the console. It went something like, "oh yeah, where's all that 'hidden power'?" They said this because Sony promised the system was capable of a lot more than the launch titles presented, and obviously, the likes of God of War II, Final Fantasy XII and Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater can't really be compared to the likes of Summoner, Tekken Tag Tournament and TimeSplitters. It's like comparing two different platforms, really, which essentially verified Sony's claims. However, most just remember that old joke, and were quick to apply it to the PlayStation 3. Of course, PlayStation consoles are notoriously difficult to develop for initially, so the jokes endure but typically, Sony has the last laugh.

And now that we're entering the third year of the generation, is it now time for the PS3 to separate itself from the Xbox 360 in terms of visuals? Speaking strictly in regards to raw power and potential, the PS3 has the definite edge, but the question has always been: "can the developers even tap into it? Can they take advantage?" Well, let's just say this. We've already sampled the Killzone 2 beta and early single-player build. We've seen what Heavy Rain gameplay looks like. We've heard David Jaffe rave his head off after seeing some of God of War III. Uncharted 2 will look amazing (as did the original), and is anyone really expecting anything less than a graphically astounding presentation in Gran Turismo 5?

First of all, I really don't see anything in Microsoft or Nintendo's 2009 lineup that can compete with these exclusives next year, but for the sake of this piece, I'm specifically centering on the graphics. Thus far, the argument can rage- Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots and LittleBigPlanet vs. Gears of War II, Halo 3, Left 4 Dead and other graphically intense 360 titles. Which batch is better? The anal visual freaks could go on for days.

But perhaps the argument dies next year. As was the case with the Xbox and PS2 - everyone had to admit the Xbox was more capable, and typically produced better-looking titles - perhaps it will be time for everyone to concede that the 360 can't compete with the PS3. Many theorize that while the PS3 has a loooong ways to go in terms of potential,the 360 is just about maxed out, and unless I see concrete evidence of 360 titles vastly outstripping the current productions in 2009 and beyond, I think the conclusion is clear. Most developers and analysts said the exact same thing, even at the start of the PS3's lifespan, when it was all doom and gloom.

They said the PS3 will eventually pass the 360 in terms of graphics, and that day may be fast approaching. Let me repeat the list: Killzone 2, God of War III, Heavy Rain, Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, and Gran Turismo 5. All I'm asking - and it's a legitimate question - is what in Microsoft's or Nintendo's exclusive repertoire can compete with that as far as overall quality is concerned? And what on the 360 can compete where the graphics are concerned?

Honestly, even the most ardent Xbox lover has to admit that things could change drastically in 2009. And remember, I was one of the first to acknowledge the Xbox over the PS2; I bought most all multiplatform titles on Microsoft's console last generation. This time around? I'm thinking not. And especially when talking about the exclusives, it appears to be game, set and match in favor of Sony...

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I can't wait until 2009 finally kicks off!

as an owner of both i must say first that i enjoy games on both consoles...

back on topic, it is important for everyone to understand that though i find PS3 to be more powerful than the 360 and this was after i've played some exclusive titles on both (on same plasma TV) i always found that games such as Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, GT5P & MGS4, R&C to look better than titles such as Geow1 & 2, Halo3, NG2, Fable2 & Banjo...

Problem is that there are fanboys who want to believe the PS3 is twice as powerful than the 360 and that is silly... When i say exclusives on PS3 look better than exclusives on 360 doesnt mean that 360 exlusives are totally inferior (visually)... people might say its a matter of personal opinion but i do believe that we should put our preferences aside and admit that when it comes to exclusives it is being shown that PS3 is capable of producing better visuals...

This topic is referring purely to visuals, therefore while i still find uncharted to look better than Geow2 doesnt mean i think uncharted is the better game.. personally i still prefare Geow2 and think its better than Uncharted....

ITT, UNTAPPED POWAH OF TEH CELLpyromaniac223

Where have I heard this before...Verge_6

That poster named RENEGADE I believe.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Where have I heard this before...Blackbond

That poster named RENEGADE I believe.

Well it seems like XBOX 360 are trying to get every game on the market availible on XBOX 360 format

this xmas xbox 360 has dropped the prices of xbox 360 aracade to/from £129, sorry i dont know how many dollars that would be...im english

so xbox 360 is enticeing people to buy the console and bringing out all these games

but will ps3 take the world by storm in 09?

will xbox 360's cheap and cheaper prices get the better over ps3?

we will find out in 2009.

i don't get... why do PS3 fanboyss care so much about the graphics? the PS2 was the console with the weakest hardware last generation, it didn't change the fact that it was an awesome consolest1ka

Well it seems like XBOX 360 are trying to get every game on the market availible on XBOX 360 format

this xmas xbox 360 has dropped the prices of xbox 360 aracade to/from £129, sorry i dont know how many dollars that would be...im english

so xbox 360 is enticeing people to buy the console and bringing out all these games

but will ps3 take the world by storm in 09?

will xbox 360's cheap and cheaper prices get the better over ps3?

we will find out in 2009.

song_crush

[QUOTE="Sgt_Hale"][QUOTE="T-Aldous"]I don't really see the PS3 really pulling itself away from the 360 in terms of graphics, at least not a considerable difference. They will both get better as programmers learn tricks to get more power out of both of them. They are both so close in power that it really doesn't make a difference. If people really think that the PS3 will do anything that the 360 can't and vise versa, then it is just denial and fanboyism.jakarai