The Real Problem With DVD9 isn't having to swap discs It's...

Ýou lemmings are quite amusing with the whole disc swapping thing you´ve been putting around SW. What´s wrong with disc swapping? Nothing. SO I guess Blu Ray is crap then, I´ll just swap discs.... No no no no no.

What happens when a game is being made like Geow and they fill up the disc, everything is compressed it´s all full and they still have a couple more maps or another level they want to put in? DO you think they put that on another disc? No they don´t they cut it out, very very rarely do we see multiple disc games, it isn´t something dev´s like to do unless it´s something they knew they would have to, or if a game just won´t do without that extra content, most of the time they just forget about it, they´ll charge you 10 bucks for a couple of maps down the line when very possibly they could have put them in the full game but there was no space.

The problem with DVD9 is developer freedom, give the people that make the games we love freedom to make better games! Blu ray helps with that, it IS a MAJOR advantage that the PS3 has, SW needs to open their eyes, is it needed? All you need is love kids that´s completly beside the point. Only in game forums full of 14 year olds would people look down at blu ray, the only thing you can argue is that it made the console more expensive, but that´s personal, as a console the PS3 won with that decision.

I made this thread cause everyone kept avoiding my posts in all the other threads, I hope people will friggen understand that Blu Ray is a advantage not a disadvantage. Imagine if magically all you 360 owners could get blu ray installed in your system and it could be used for games, I´m sure you´d say "no man, I can disc swap"...

they will never understand

good post anyway

Final Fantasy 8 debunks your final paragraph ... that was the smallest disc content I have ever seen :S

edit - Disc 4 I meant.

the extra $200 in price for bluray to be included is a HUGE disadvantage to mass gamers.... as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

nice try...;)

Final Fantasy 8 debunks your final paragraph ... that was the smallest disc content I have ever seen :S

edit - Disc 4 I meant.

Meu2k7

No it just means it happened before, I´m sure it will happen again, now does it happen often?

and yet we get AAA games.blue ray is not neededOldParr

All you need is love dude =)

Still PS3 is "potential". No killer apps yettaikthebate

Has nothing to do with this thread.

and yet we get AAA games.blue ray is not neededOldParr

the question is will it keep getting AAA

if blu-ray pushes new standards in gaming like dynamic day and night..... ?

IF they have a couple more maps they will make it downloadable content.turgore

Don´t try to spin the point pretend it´s another level or some HD cutscene or music or something, that was an example.

the extra $200 in price for bluray to be included is a HUGE disadvantage to mass gamers.... as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

nice try...;)

tango90101

It was a disadvantage to my wallet also, but the console won with it.

[QUOTE="OldParr"]and yet we get AAA games.blue ray is not neededlegalize3

the question is will it keep getting AAA

if blu-ray pushes new standards in gaming like dynamic day and night..... ?

even the wii get AAA games.just because there is a limit doesnt mean is not gonna be good.blu ray is not needed

Because one or two maps is going to make or break a game. Ever heard of downloadable content?Vandalvideo

That was a friggen example ffs, it could be anything...

What happen to the extra maps on Motorstorm? :?dhjohns

Stay on topic plz you know very well that has nothing to do with blu ray.

[QUOTE="taikthebate"]Still PS3 is "potential". No killer apps yetEddie-Vedder

Has nothing to do with this thread.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

[QUOTE="taikthebate"]Still PS3 is "potential". No killer apps yettaikthebate

Has nothing to do with this thread.

ouch!!!!

[QUOTE="OldParr"]and yet we get AAA games.blue ray is not neededlegalize3

if blu-ray pushes new standards in gaming like dynamic day and night..... ?

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

[QUOTE="taikthebate"]Still PS3 is "potential". No killer apps yettaikthebate

Has nothing to do with this thread.

[QUOTE="legalize3"]

[QUOTE="OldParr"]and yet we get AAA games.blue ray is not neededdarklord888

if blu-ray pushes new standards in gaming like dynamic day and night..... ?

So does Crysis :D (In multiplayer aswell)

IF they have a couple more maps they will make it downloadable content.turgore

Which you'll have to pay for.

That was a friggen example ffs, it could be anything...Eddie-Vedder

You think Sony does this for the devs? Sony's notorious for their lack of dev support and thats exactly why devs cant wrap their mind around the horribly architectured hardware just like the PS2..... The opposite goes for MS, whos known for helping devs with problems... You cows think BR is important, but games like Motorstorm disagree....that crap should only be considered half a game....wolverine4262

[QUOTE="taikthebate"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

[QUOTE="taikthebate"]Still PS3 is "potential". No killer apps yetRougehunter

Has nothing to do with this thread.

[QUOTE="taikthebate"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

[QUOTE="taikthebate"]Still PS3 is "potential". No killer apps yetOldParr

Has nothing to do with this thread.

ouch!!!!

No it seems your talking about dev work and somehow trying to make blu ray look bad I see no connection I´m sorry maybe if you explain better how it´s related.

You think Sony does this for the devs? Sony's notorious for their lack of dev support and thats exactly why devs cant wrap their mind around the horribly architectured hardware just like the PS2..... The opposite goes for MS, whos known for helping devs with problems... You cows think BR is important, but games like Motorstorm disagree....that crap should only be considered half a game....wolverine4262

I don´t care why sony did it, it a benefit, motorstorm was rushed to get to launch, the disc wasn´t full, had nothing to do with blu ray.

The TC is obviously a Sony fanboy.

Note the post: "It was a disadvantage to my wallet also, but the console won with it."

So your claimign that Sony has already won because it has Blue Ray. Ok lol by the time sony starts getting games to their "full potential" It will be way to late and the enxt gen will be around the corner. Im guessing they will leave the PS3 in teh competetion with Nintendos and MS(If they have a new one) consoles

[QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="legalize3"]

[QUOTE="OldParr"]and yet we get AAA games.blue ray is not neededMeu2k7

if blu-ray pushes new standards in gaming like dynamic day and night..... ?

So does Crysis :D (In multiplayer aswell)

for oblivion NO JUST NO reused textures all over the place bathesda cant do it twice the yhave to push the limits more with the upcoming games... they have to stay competitive and thats not gonna work with reused textures

and for crysis dvd disk 1 install disk dvd disk 2 play disk...

IF they have a couple more maps they will make it downloadable content.turgore

Yea and we will have to pay extra for them when it should have been on the disc for free yeah that's great news.

and for crysis dvd disk 1 install disk dvd disk 2 play disk...legalize3

The Real problem with DVD9 isnt having to swap discs It's the developers that are wiping the floor with blue ray devs since apparently blue ray devs arent exactly Miracle makers.isnt blue ray supposed to gurantee AAA to all PS3 titles?i mean after all..50GB...that sure is alot to swallow....yet none are taking advantage....

I don´t care why sony did it, it a benefit, motorstorm was rushed to get to launch, the disc wasn´t full, had nothing to do with blu ray.

Eddie-Vedder

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]That was a friggen example ffs, it could be anything...Vandalvideo

Dude come on is it that hard to imagine a game being made filling up a DVD9 and dev´s having to cut out feautres, music maps, a couple of levels not to make a multiple disc game? I think your trying a bit to hard to see things as you want to see them, DVD9 can hold amazing games, but if you have more space you could get more content = a better game, no it probably won´t make or break a game but it will make it better.

What's with all these disc swapping threads today? I support BR and all, but the countless threads on this issue are stupid.

Is BR necessary as in gaming will end if it isn't used? No of course not. But to argue the polar opposite is just as ridiculous because more space is always better. Whether it gets completely used or not is irrelevant.

For the sake of argument lets say that over the course of this gen say I buy 20 games on the 360 that have downloadable content and each download is $10. Lets also assume that PS3 never has any downloads you pay for. That would mean that PS3 and 360 cost the same to me.

Now last gen I bought downloadable content once it was $6 (halo 2 maps) even if I buy 15 times as much downloadable content the 360 will still be cheaper. Also keep in mind that in many cases downloadable content becomes free after X months.

So as you can see the argument that blue ray is necessary because it saves me from having to buy downloadable content is poorly thought out.

[QUOTE="legalize3"]and for crysis dvd disk 1 install disk dvd disk 2 play disk...Vandalvideo

on vista only ?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]That was a friggen example ffs, it could be anything...Eddie-Vedder

Dude come on is it that hard to imagine a game being made filling up a DVD9 and dev´s having to cut out feautres, music maps, a couple of levels not to make a multiple disc game? I think your trying a bit to hard to see things as you want to see them, DVD9 can hold amazing games, but if you have more space you could get more content = a better game, no it probably won´t make or break a game but it will make it better.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]That was a friggen example ffs, it could be anything...Eddie-Vedder

Dude come on is it that hard to imagine a game being made filling up a DVD9 and dev´s having to cut out feautres, music maps, a couple of levels not to make a multiple disc game? I think your trying a bit to hard to see things as you want to see them, DVD9 can hold amazing games, but if you have more space you could get more content = a better game, no it probably won´t make or break a game but it will make it better.

[QUOTE="legalize3"]and for crysis dvd disk 1 install disk dvd disk 2 play disk...Vandalvideo

but if you have more space you could get more content = a better game

Eddie-Vedder

What's with all these disc swapping threads today? I support BR and all, but the countless threads on this issue are stupid.

Is BR necessary as in gaming will end if it isn't used? No of course not. But to argue the polar opposite is just as ridiculous because more space is always better. Whether it gets completely used or not is irrelevant.

ZIMdoom

The real question is whether the BR format is worth the extra money not whether its necessary for gaming to exist. Personally I agree that the extra space is better but I don't think that BR will be worth the extra money this gen.

The TC is obviously a Sony fanboy.

Note the post: "It was a disadvantage to my wallet also, but the console won with it."

So your claimign that Sony has already won because it has Blue Ray. Ok lol by the time sony starts getting games to their "full potential" It will be way to late and the enxt gen will be around the corner. Im guessing they will leave the PS3 in teh competetion with Nintendos and MS(If they have a new one) consoles

MassiveKaos

How about I call you a fanboy, then you call me a loser, then I say something along the lines of you have a small ****.

We done?

The Real problem with DVD9 isnt having to swap discs It's the developers that are wiping the floor with blue ray devs since apparently blue ray devs arent exactly Miracle makers.isnt blue ray supposed to gurantee AAA to all PS3 titles?i mean after all..50GB...that sure is alot to swallow....yet none are taking advantage....

LinKuei_warrior

Ofc man Blu Ray = AAA glad were on the same page *sigh*

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

I don´t care why sony did it, it a benefit, motorstorm was rushed to get to launch, the disc wasn´t full, had nothing to do with blu ray.

wolverine4262

Would you like to bet that there will be games on the PS3 that take very good advantage of blu ray? I´ll be happy to bet anything you want. I´m pretty sure there already have been made games that use more space then would fit in a DVD9.

[QUOTE="legalize3"]and for crysis dvd disk 1 install disk dvd disk 2 play disk...Vandalvideo

and for crysis dvd disk 1 install disk dvd disk 2 play disk...

legalize3

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

but if you have more space you could get more content = a better game

taikthebate

Well think of it this way, imagine if those ps3 games had less space they probably would have less content, they probably would be a little worse.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="legalize3"]and for crysis dvd disk 1 install disk dvd disk 2 play disk...taikthebate

[QUOTE="taikthebate"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

but if you have more space you could get more content = a better game

Eddie-Vedder

Well think of it this way, imagine if those ps3 games had less space they probably would have less content, they probably would be a little worse.