The Real Problem With DVD9 isn't having to swap discs It's...

you guys get to caried away..i can tell pretty much all of you are fanboys, especially dvd side people.

FACTS:

*wii does not need blu-ray because of real low textures. and the fact that all wii games are much smaller than the rest.

*blu-ray has been taken advantage in few games currently which shows how there isnt a huge gap between ps3 and 360 yet, because games being developed such as mgs4, ut3, killzone have blu-ray to work with them they will all ahve one disk with much better uncompressed audio/video qualities and lengthy stories.

*the fact that the 360 does have dvd holds EVERYONE back, games such as assassins creed, or mass effect, or gta 4 could be longer and could have mroe uncompressed audio/vide/longer game itself. The facts that the 360 has that holds everyone back.

also the fact soemone said that the 360 gets AAA games in response to a blu is needed argument is a horrible statement, not including multiplats, the 360 only has 2 AAA exclusive games, the ps3 will be sure to catch up soon.

-PS360-

I agree because why would you come to a forum named system wars if you liked all thesystems equally

on my huge hdtv it does, and thats a fact, 20-20 vision, if your calling me a fanboy then you must be ultimate geek fanboy to tell such a ludacris statement, maybe the real fact is your eyes are blocked by "goglles" of fanboyism

i doubt your out

-PS360-

Thats funny, I have astigmatism, and see no grain, and your insults show your fanboyish nature, good day.

i see your back!!!! im just trying to defend the system which i can clearly see is more advanced but underrated, as you can notice by my name i own both the systems including the one you are attempting to defend-PS360-

Yeah, but I have a pretty good reason to defend mine, you guys claiming Blu-Ray is needed, which it is not, and is more expensive, but then you stoop to insults when proven wrong. DVD's will be here a while, and Blu-ray although nice, is not needed at this time, good day.

you state 2 different things one that "blu ray is not needed at this time" and the other statement which this thread is trying to get out "blu-ray is needed" which mainly states for until the next format or jsut anytime in the future, i will admit it is not needed now, it is helpful now for the movie business/hdtv owners, and also is helpful for large games coming up soon for the ps3, also including future datadisk form pc's, but the other statement that this thread suggest i do believe is true, i mean in 2-3 plus years, blu-ray will become the newer standard, pc's will start coming with them (they already am now), games for pc will start taking it in years to come, games will get more complex and will need it, we are at the ending point of dvd, blu ray may not be needed now but will be in some time.-PS360-

Yeah a long time from now, but not now, Gears didn't need HD or Blu-ray, Oblivion didn't nedd HD or Blu-ray. So it is not needed for "gaming" at this moment.

mgs4 is a distinct possibility for the 50 gig game, but i admit the onyl one i currently know of, resistance is 16 gigs i believe, lair will be 25? also i believe gears single player was pushed back because of the amount of space needed, also it is true oblivion used lots of the same textures.-PS360-

But they still fit on one disk.And graphics and textures don't mean anything, when it comes to size.Oblivion was a huge game, no matter what textures were used.

How can you guys say blu-ray is not needed when PGR4 had to drop time of day on all tracks due to dvd-9 being too small !!

This is a racing game with no fmv from a ms 1st party dev with the best looking racing game on the 360. In order to add weather they dropped time of day on all tracks I am sure if PGR4 was on blu-ray time of day would not have gotten dropped. It's only 2007 how many other games on the 360 will have features dropped due to lack of dvd space in the future huh ??

How can you guys say blu-ray is not needed when PGR4 had to drop time of day on all tracks due to dvd-9 being too small !!

This is a racing game with no fmv from a ms 1st party dev with the best looking racing game on the 360. In order to add weather they dropped time of day on all tracks I am sure if PGR4 was on blu-ray time of day would not have gotten dropped. It's only 2007 how many other games on the 360 will have features dropped due to lack of dvd space in the future huh ??

BrooklynBomber

Gears of war-No HD or Blu-Ray

Oblivion- No HD or Blu-ray

PD0-No HD or blu-ray

All AAA, go away fanboy

How can you guys say blu-ray is not needed when PGR4 had to drop time of day on all tracks due to dvd-9 being too small !!

This is a racing game with no fmv from a ms 1st party dev with the best looking racing game on the 360. In order to add weather they dropped time of day on all tracks I am sure if PGR4 was on blu-ray time of day would not have gotten dropped. It's only 2007 how many other games on the 360 will have features dropped due to lack of dvd space in the future huh ??

BrooklynBomber

Yes it will, they worked around the problem.

and yet we get AAA games.blue ray is not neededOldParr

Because one or two maps is going to make or break a game. Ever heard of downloadable content?Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="OldParr"]and yet we get AAA games.blue ray is not neededPotatoSan

[QUOTE="PotatoSan"][QUOTE="OldParr"]and yet we get AAA games.blue ray is not neededSolidSnake35

It has it's advantages as well as disadvantages; it's slower than DVD and jacks the price of the PS3 up.

[QUOTE="fixer293"]Gears of war-No HD or Blu-Ray Oblivion- No HD or Blu-ray PD0-No HD or blu-ray All AAA, go away fanboySolidSnake35

Really? How much space did those games take up? I heard Oblivion only took up a little over half the disc...

[QUOTE="fixer293"]Gears of war-No HD or Blu-Ray Oblivion- No HD or Blu-ray PD0-No HD or blu-ray All AAA, go away fanboySolidSnake35

Why have it,when it jacks the price up on the system,and these games didn't need it.

[QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"]

How can you guys say blu-ray is not needed when PGR4 had to drop time of day on all tracks due to dvd-9 being too small !!

This is a racing game with no fmv from a ms 1st party dev with the best looking racing game on the 360. In order to add weather they dropped time of day on all tracks I am sure if PGR4 was on blu-ray time of day would not have gotten dropped. It's only 2007 how many other games on the 360 will have features dropped due to lack of dvd space in the future huh ??

fixer293

Gears of war-No HD or Blu-Ray

Oblivion- No HD or Blu-ray

PD0-No HD or blu-ray

All AAA, go away fanboy

First of all that has nothing to do with whatI said and gears clearly need more space as it was very short and oblivion had to reuse alot of textures and was better on the ps3 as for PDO lmao it's a launch game I doubt it would get AAA today or even deseved it in the 1st place.

However that does not change the fact that PGR4 had to drop time of day due to dvd-9 being too small and the new damage control statement also says time of day was dropped also.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="fixer293"]Gears of war-No HD or Blu-Ray Oblivion- No HD or Blu-ray PD0-No HD or blu-ray All AAA, go away fanboythirstychainsaw

Really? How much space did those games take up? I heard Oblivion only took up a little over half the disc...

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="fixer293"]Gears of war-No HD or Blu-Ray Oblivion- No HD or Blu-ray PD0-No HD or blu-ray All AAA, go away fanboyfixer293

Why have it,when it jacks the price up on the system,and these games didn't need it.

[QUOTE="fixer293"][QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"]

How can you guys say blu-ray is not needed when PGR4 had to drop time of day on all tracks due to dvd-9 being too small !!

This is a racing game with no fmv from a ms 1st party dev with the best looking racing game on the 360. In order to add weather they dropped time of day on all tracks I am sure if PGR4 was on blu-ray time of day would not have gotten dropped. It's only 2007 how many other games on the 360 will have features dropped due to lack of dvd space in the future huh ??

BrooklynBomber

Gears of war-No HD or Blu-Ray

Oblivion- No HD or Blu-ray

PD0-No HD or blu-ray

All AAA, go away fanboy

First of all that has nothing to do with whatI said and gears clearly need more space as it was very short and oblivion had to reuse alot of textures and was better on the ps3 as for PDO lmao it's a launch game I doubt it would get AAA today or even deseved it in the 1st place.

However that does not change the fact that PGR4 had to drop time of day due to dvd-9 being too small and the new damage control statement also says time of day was dropped also.

The game was short? Lair and Uncharted were said to be less than 14 hours, without multiplayer :|

Oblivion still had about 3GB left on the disc.

PGR4 does have tracks in day/night :|

[QUOTE="fixer293"][QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"]

How can you guys say blu-ray is not needed when PGR4 had to drop time of day on all tracks due to dvd-9 being too small !!

This is a racing game with no fmv from a ms 1st party dev with the best looking racing game on the 360. In order to add weather they dropped time of day on all tracks I am sure if PGR4 was on blu-ray time of day would not have gotten dropped. It's only 2007 how many other games on the 360 will have features dropped due to lack of dvd space in the future huh ??

BrooklynBomber

Gears of war-No HD or Blu-Ray

Oblivion- No HD or Blu-ray

PD0-No HD or blu-ray

All AAA, go away fanboy

First of all that has nothing to do with whatI said and gears clearly need more space as it was very short and oblivion had to reuse alot of textures and was better on the ps3 as for PDO lmao it's a launch game I doubt it would get AAA today or even deseved it in the 1st place.

However that does not change the fact that PGR4 had to drop time of day due to dvd-9 being too small and the new damage control statement also says time of day was dropped also.

Gears,No it didn't dude, And as for oblivion on the PS3, it had a whole other year to improve after its release on 360,and PD0 got a AAA, Deal with it.,PGR4 was worked around and nothing cut out. Your a fanboy trying to justify the price of the PS3...go away troll.

[QUOTE="turgore"]IF they have a couple more maps they will make it downloadable content.Eddie-Vedder

Don´t try to spin the point pretend it´s another level or some HD cutscene or music or something, that was an example.turgore

Why would I care if they cut some music out of it? I usually just listen to my own music on my 360 when Im playing anyways. Sound is usually the largest of the files, they'd cut out a score or two to add a "hd trailer (hahaha)" or another level. If oblivion didn't fill up a DVD9 I don't think any game would come so close to filling up every single available kilabyte that they would HAVE to cut something out of the game to make room.

you're being unrealistic.

[QUOTE="fixer293"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="fixer293"]Gears of war-No HD or Blu-Ray Oblivion- No HD or Blu-ray PD0-No HD or blu-ray All AAA, go away fanboySolidSnake35

Why have it,when it jacks the price up on the system,and these games didn't need it.

And Istill enjoy DVD, so why should I pay more for the same movie?

[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="fixer293"]Gears of war-No HD or Blu-Ray Oblivion- No HD or Blu-ray PD0-No HD or blu-ray All AAA, go away fanboySolidSnake35

Really? How much space did those games take up? I heard Oblivion only took up a little over half the disc...

There is one, Blue Dragon, but its filled with CGI. I don't know why though, the game is gorgeous.

I haven't heard many developers complaining about disc space for 360. Sure it's common sense for developers to WANT more space but doesn't mean it's necessary. If anything, the PS3 is holding back developers because of how hard it is to make games for it. I mean, sure it's all well and good if you can use the extra space for good use but if you can't develop for the machine it's pointless.

Look at all the PS3 games that are either being cancelled or being made worse than the 360 because the machine is just not developer friendly. When you see games like Oblivion and Mass Effect, you get the sense that DVD9 is enough for developers. When you see GTA4 being shown only on the 360, it makes you wonder, what's going on with the PS3 version? As the developers have already said that the 2 versions are identical then why haven't they shown off the PS3 version. My educated guess is, the PS3 version has framerate issues that are still to be ironed out and isn't as polished as the 360 version.

DVD9 isn't the problem, it's the PS3 hardware

Another one of these threads and i'll puke.

BTW, just checked the TC game ratings, every PS3 game he rated got a 10.0 and he rated a single 360 game, shadowrun, with 1.0.

Thats great we need more people like you TC !!! ......... >_>

CADWALLADER

Ýou lemmings are quite amusing with the whole disc swapping thing you´ve been putting around SW. What´s wrong with disc swapping? Nothing. SO I guess Blu Ray is crap then, I´ll just swap discs.... No no no no no.

What happens when a game is being made like Geow and they fill up the disc, everything is compressed it´s all full and they still have a couple more maps or another level they want to put in? DO you think they put that on another disc? No they don´t they cut it out, very very rarely do we see multiple disc games, it isn´t something dev´s like to do unless it´s something they knew they would have to, or if a game just won´t do without that extra content, most of the time they just forget about it, they´ll charge you 10 bucks for a couple of maps down the line when very possibly they could have put them in the full game but there was no space.

The problem with DVD9 is developer freedom, give the people that make the games we love freedom to make better games! Blu ray helps with that, it IS a MAJOR advantage that the PS3 has, SW needs to open their eyes, is it needed? All you need is love kids that´s completly beside the point. Only in game forums full of 14 year olds would people look down at blu ray, the only thing you can argue is that it made the console more expensive, but that´s personal, as a console the PS3 won with that decision.

I made this thread cause everyone kept avoiding my posts in all the other threads, I hope people will friggen understand that Blu Ray is a advantage not a disadvantage. Imagine if magically all you 360 owners could get blu ray installed in your system and it could be used for games, I´m sure you´d say "no man, I can disc swap"...

Eddie-Vedder

Well... Mass Effect.

blu ray is an advantage, but it doesn't seem to be helping the ps3 all that much yet or hurting the 360.

lemmings just try to even them out.

blu ray is an advantage, but it doesn't seem to be helping the ps3 all that much yet or hurting the 360.

lemmings just try to even them out.

paullywog

Not needed man, Gears, Oblivion, and soon, Mass Effect kill the argument that it is needed.Blu-ray is nice, but adding it or HD would be a bad move, because it drives up the cost of the "gaming" system. It is not needed now, maybe a long, long time from now.

And Istill enjoy DVD, so why should I pay more for the same movie?fixer293

[QUOTE="fixer293"]And Istill enjoy DVD, so why should I pay more for the same movie?SolidSnake35

So, They cost like $7 dollars more, and some people don't have HD TV, Blu-ray an HD are not needed for "gaming".DVD is going to be around a loooooooong time, because of price.

In FFIX the last disc only contains 1 new area and the last boss and a few vids.

But for RPG games like FF its not worth compromising on, its rare to see any action type game span more than 1 disc. It just means less freedom to the developers, its just how it is.

But i don't believe all this crap about the PS3 needing 50gb discs for uncompressed textures, at 1080p the PS3 would get killed running uncompressed textures in game. Its more for HD Video which chews up space baddly and hopefully more multi-language tracks in more games.

First of all that has nothing to do with whatI said and gears clearly need more space as it was very short and oblivion had to reuse alot of textures and was better on the ps3 as for PDO lmao it's a launch game I doubt it would get AAA today or even deseved it in the 1st place.

However that does not change the fact that PGR4 had to drop time of day due to dvd-9 being too small and the new damage control statement also says time of day was dropped also.

BrooklynBomber

If Blu-Ray adds length to a game, what happened to Lair and Uncharted? Oblivion reusing textures had absolutely nothing to do with disc space, it didn't even come close to filling up a DVD. It was "better" on the PS3 because of the extra year. And that PGR4 rumour was debunked, but I'm sure you won't listen so I won't discuss that point.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="legalize3"]

[QUOTE="OldParr"]and yet we get AAA games.blue ray is not neededlegalize3

if blu-ray pushes new standards in gaming like dynamic day and night..... ?

So does Crysis :D (In multiplayer aswell)

for oblivion NO JUST NO reused textures all over the place bathesda cant do it twice the yhave to push the limits more with the upcoming games... they have to stay competitive and thats not gonna work with reused textures

and for crysis dvd disk 1 install disk dvd disk 2 play disk...

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="fixer293"]And Istill enjoy DVD, so why should I pay more for the same movie?fixer293

So, They cost like $7 dollars more, and some people don't have HD TV, Blu-ray an HD are not needed for "gaming".DVD is going to be around a loooooooong time, because of price.

Still PS3 is "potential". No killer apps yettaikthebate

name me one killer app for the 360 for the first 8 months..... no you can't awww know y? cuz it didnt have no killer apps for the first 8 months.

[QUOTE="fixer293"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="fixer293"]And Istill enjoy DVD, so why should I pay more for the same movie?SolidSnake35

So, They cost like $7 dollars more, and some people don't have HD TV, Blu-ray an HD are not needed for "gaming".DVD is going to be around a loooooooong time, because of price.

Gears, Oblivion and Mass efect prove it is not needed for games.

[QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"]

First of all that has nothing to do with whatI said and gears clearly need more space as it was very short and oblivion had to reuse alot of textures and was better on the ps3 as for PDO lmao it's a launch game I doubt it would get AAA today or even deseved it in the 1st place.

However that does not change the fact that PGR4 had to drop time of day due to dvd-9 being too small and the new damage control statement also says time of day was dropped also.

Vyse_The_Daring

If Blu-Ray adds length to a game, what happened to Lair and Uncharted? Oblivion reusing textures had absolutely nothing to do with disc space, it didn't even come close to filling up a DVD. It was "better" on the PS3 because of the extra year. And that PGR4 rumour was debunked, but I'm sure you won't listen so I won't discuss that point.

It was debunked ORLY ??

You won't see different times of day per city because this involves recreating all the textures again (one for day and one for night). Whilst this wasn't a problem for our dev team, it was a problem fitting all this data onto a single DVD. So we've worked around the problem by providing different lighting models per city. For example, Macau is always in the daytime, but if you play it during a storm everything looks darker and more foreboding. If you play during a blizzard then things are slightly tinged blue and everything seems more frozen. Of course, playing this track in sunshine will make everything appear bright and yellowy.

Now today they say:

Rather than having two "fixed" times of day, this time around we decided to use our time to create a dynamic weather system, which effectively creates a much more dramatic palette from which to work with. We've never had to cut content to fit on the disc, and we probably never will.

Time of day dropped confirmed due to lack of space on dvd-9 :lol:

[QUOTE="taikthebate"]Still PS3 is "potential". No killer apps yetSacT0wnF1n3st

name me one killer app for the 360 for the first 8 months..... no you can't awww know y? cuz it didnt have no killer apps for the first 8 months.

PD0,you fail.

Final Fantasy 8 debunks your final paragraph ... that was the smallest disc content I have ever seen :S

edit - Disc 4 I meant.

Meu2k7

Gears, Oblivion and Mass efect prove it is not needed for games.fixer293

[QUOTE="fixer293"]Gears, Oblivion and Mass efect prove it is not needed for games.SolidSnake35

Dude, Blu-ray nor HD are needed, These games did not need those to be awsome, got it, end of story.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="fixer293"]Gears, Oblivion and Mass efect prove it is not needed for games.fixer293

Dude, Blu-ray nor HD are needed, These games did not need those to be awsome, got it, end of story.

[QUOTE="fixer293"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="fixer293"]Gears, Oblivion and Mass efect prove it is not needed for games.SolidSnake35

Dude, Blu-ray nor HD are needed, These games did not need those to be awsome, got it, end of story.