The Real Problem With DVD9 isn't having to swap discs It's...

[So your claimign that Sony has already won because it has Blue Ray. Ok lol by the time sony starts getting games to their "full potential" It will be way to late and the enxt gen will be around the corner. Im guessing they will leave the PS3 in teh competetion with Nintendos and MS(If they have a new one) consoles

Eddie-Vedder

The Real problem with DVD9 isnt having to swap discs It's the developers that are wiping the floor with blue ray devs since apparently blue ray devs arent exactly Miracle makers.isnt blue ray supposed to gurantee AAA to all PS3 titles?i mean after all..50GB...that sure is alot to swallow....yet none are taking advantage....

LinKuei_warrior

Ofc man Blu Ray = AAA glad were on the same page *sigh*

wrong..try giving my post another go instead of just choosing to read the words Bluray and AAA.:)

[QUOTE="taikthebate"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="legalize3"]and for crysis dvd disk 1 install disk dvd disk 2 play disk...Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

I don´t care why sony did it, it a benefit, motorstorm was rushed to get to launch, the disc wasn´t full, had nothing to do with blu ray.

wolverine4262

Load times lmao you can install the whole game to the hard drive for no loading if you want and devs would rather have more space not trying to figure out how to fit a game into a dvd by compressing the@#$% out of it and cutting features. Not one dev has said we hate blu-ray we don't want more space all i see is devs saying dvd is too small !!

Funny thing is it's only 2007 and dvd is already an issue what happens in 2008 and 2009 ??

I saw the e3 and sony games took a huge leap forward in graphics from last year while the 360 is stuck.Yeah blu-ray has nothing to do with that or the fact that the ps3 has a standard hard drive either right ??

In 2008 when the blu-ray drive price is not much more than a dvd-rom then blu-ray will still be bad right. What happens when multi plats start using more space and taking full advantage of the standard hard drive in the ps3 ??

Face it ms cut corners to get out 1st and it's coming back to bite then in the behind on games and hardware issues.

Would you like to bet that there will be games on the PS3 that take very good advantage of blu ray? I´ll be happy to bet anything you want. I´m pretty sure there already have been made games that use more space then would fit in a DVD9.

Eddie-Vedder

Like I said early, devs dont worry about disk size in game dev... they worry about time constraints..

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][So your claimign that Sony has already won because it has Blue Ray. Ok lol by the time sony starts getting games to their "full potential" It will be way to late and the enxt gen will be around the corner. Im guessing they will leave the PS3 in teh competetion with Nintendos and MS(If they have a new one) consoles

LinKuei_warrior

The Real problem with DVD9 isnt having to swap discs It's the developers that are wiping the floor with blue ray devs since apparently blue ray devs arent exactly Miracle makers.isnt blue ray supposed to gurantee AAA to all PS3 titles?i mean after all..50GB...that sure is alot to swallow....yet none are taking advantage....

LinKuei_warrior

Ofc man Blu Ray = AAA glad were on the same page *sigh*

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

wrong..try giving my post another go instead of just choosing to read the words Bluray and AAA.:)

wolverine4262

First off there is no such thing as blu ray devs, devs work with what they can to fit their needs, you think when they have the choice they go with DVD9, and you can´t look at scores and say blu ray isn´t being used, it´s a friggen tool, the score of the game dependes on the dev quality.

[QUOTE="taikthebate"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="legalize3"]and for crysis dvd disk 1 install disk dvd disk 2 play disk...Vandalvideo

you do know that crysis is also a xp game so no it wont be a streaming game and devs cant bank on 3rd party programs...

so it will be 100% an installation game

Really? Games for Windows or ALL games? Besdies how do I stream games with multiple disks without using Daemon Tools. taikthebate

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="taikthebate"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="legalize3"]and for crysis dvd disk 1 install disk dvd disk 2 play disk...taikthebate

thats not streaming that mounting a playdisk you still have to install a game on pc...

Load times lmao you can install the whole game to the hard drive for no loading if you want and devs would rather have more space not trying to figure out how to fit a game into a dvd by compressing the@#$% out of it and cutting features. Not one dev has said we hate blu-ray we don't want more space all i see is devs saying dvd is too small !!

Funny thing is it's only 2007 and dvd is already an issue what happens in 2008 and 2009 ??

I saw the e3 and sony games took a huge leap forward in graphics from last year while the 360 is stuck.Yeah blu-ray has nothing to do with that or the fact that the ps3 has a standard hard drive either right ??

In 2008 when the blu-ray drive price is not much more than a dvd-rom then blu-ray will still be bad right.

BrooklynBomber

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

Would you like to bet that there will be games on the PS3 that take very good advantage of blu ray? I´ll be happy to bet anything you want. I´m pretty sure there already have been made games that use more space then would fit in a DVD9.

wolverine4262

Like I said early, devs dont worry about disk size in game dev... they worry about time constraints..

I´m sorry if you think devs don´t avoid making multiple disced games unless necessary, we won´t be able to argue too well, I have no doubt some games are made thinking of multiple discs, but it isn´t common, most of the time they only plan on using one disc, and when they fill that up I´m sure the choice of adding another disc is often very complicated. Think about it, think of all the 360 games that used up all the space on the DVD, what if that DVD has more space? You think they would still be exactly the same size because devs planned it to have exactly that size? Not to mention if the 360 also had blu ray we would probably already be seeing amazing things done cause it would be used in multiplats also.

[QUOTE="taikthebate"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="taikthebate"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="legalize3"]and for crysis dvd disk 1 install disk dvd disk 2 play disk...legalize3

thats not streaming that mounting a playdisk you still have to install a game on pc...

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

Would you like to bet that there will be games on the PS3 that take very good advantage of blu ray? I´ll be happy to bet anything you want. I´m pretty sure there already have been made games that use more space then would fit in a DVD9.

Eddie-Vedder

Like I said early, devs dont worry about disk size in game dev... they worry about time constraints..

I´m sorry if you think devs don´t avoid making multiple disced games unless necessary, we won´t be able to argue too well, I have no doubt some games are made thinking of multiple discs, but it isn´t common, most of the time they only plan on using one disc, and when they fill that up I´m sure the choice of adding another disc is often very complicated. Think about it, think of all the 360 games that used up all the space on the DVD, what if that DVD has more space? You think they would still be exactly the same size because devs planned it to have exactly that size? Not to mention if the 360 also had blu ray we would probably already be seeing amazing things done cause it would be used in multiplats also.

you do know that crysis is also a xp game so no it wont be a streaming game and devs cant bank on 3rd party programs...so it will be 100% an installation gamelegalize3

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

Would you like to bet that there will be games on the PS3 that take very good advantage of blu ray? I´ll be happy to bet anything you want. I´m pretty sure there already have been made games that use more space then would fit in a DVD9.

wolverine4262

Like I said early, devs dont worry about disk size in game dev... they worry about time constraints..

I´m sorry if you think devs don´t avoid making multiple disced games unless necessary, we won´t be able to argue too well, I have no doubt some games are made thinking of multiple discs, but it isn´t common, most of the time they only plan on using one disc, and when they fill that up I´m sure the choice of adding another disc is often very complicated. Think about it, think of all the 360 games that used up all the space on the DVD, what if that DVD has more space? You think they would still be exactly the same size because devs planned it to have exactly that size? Not to mention if the 360 also had blu ray we would probably already be seeing amazing things done cause it would be used in multiplats also.

I have a hard time believing ME is the only game that fills up a DVD9 on the 360, and how do you know that they didn´t sacrifice anything? Just pure coincidence that it filled up the DVD and nothing else was needed eh?

I have a hard time believing ME is the only game that fills up a DVD9 on the 360, and how do you know that they didn´t sacrifice anything? Just pure coincidence that it filled up the DVD and nothing else was needed eh?

Eddie-Vedder

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

I have a hard time believing ME is the only game that fills up a DVD9 on the 360, and how do you know that they didn´t sacrifice anything? Just pure coincidence that it filled up the DVD and nothing else was needed eh?

wolverine4262

Well I´m sure you can also imagine there is a very good chance things won´t be added because of lack of space, and do to the fact that they don´t want to make a multidisc game, we can all see games keep getting bigger, it´s natural, it´s been happening since the first game was made.

[QUOTE="legalize3"]you do know that crysis is also a xp game so no it wont be a streaming game and devs cant bank on 3rd party programs...so it will be 100% an installation gameVandalvideo

that doesnt mean all those people will useor know about those programs...

the only way those people can play that game is by installing the game.....

SOO NO CRYSIS WONT BE A STREAMING ONLY GAME...

FACT

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

I have a hard time believing ME is the only game that fills up a DVD9 on the 360, and how do you know that they didn´t sacrifice anything? Just pure coincidence that it filled up the DVD and nothing else was needed eh?

Eddie-Vedder

Well I´m sure you can also imagine there is a very good chance things won´t be added because of lack of space, and do to the fact that they don´t want to make a multidisc game, we can all see games keep getting bigger, it´s natural, it´s been happening since the first game was made.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

I have a hard time believing ME is the only game that fills up a DVD9 on the 360, and how do you know that they didn´t sacrifice anything? Just pure coincidence that it filled up the DVD and nothing else was needed eh?

wolverine4262

Well I´m sure you can also imagine there is a very good chance things won´t be added because of lack of space, and do to the fact that they don´t want to make a multidisc game, we can all see games keep getting bigger, it´s natural, it´s been happening since the first game was made.

Bizzare says they are not having disc size probs.

http://www.bizarrecreations.com/article.php?article_id=5257

Just thought you guys would like to read this.

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

I have a hard time believing ME is the only game that fills up a DVD9 on the 360, and how do you know that they didn´t sacrifice anything? Just pure coincidence that it filled up the DVD and nothing else was needed eh?

fixer293

Well I´m sure you can also imagine there is a very good chance things won´t be added because of lack of space, and do to the fact that they don´t want to make a multidisc game, we can all see games keep getting bigger, it´s natural, it´s been happening since the first game was made.

Bizzare says they are not having disc size probs.

http://www.bizarrecreations.com/article.php?article_id=5257

Just thought you guys would like to read this.

I can link you a threadfull of devs saying blu ray is needed also, I have read that and it feels like damage control, they said one thing a couple of days ago, now their saying another, just seems a bit off. And to WOLVERINE-4262 I´ll get back to when I get home, I´m going to go out and get pissed drunk :D Have a good night everyone o/

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="legalize3"]

[QUOTE="OldParr"]and yet we get AAA games.blue ray is not neededlegalize3

if blu-ray pushes new standards in gaming like dynamic day and night..... ?

So does Crysis :D (In multiplayer aswell)

for oblivion NO JUST NO reused textures all over the place bathesda cant do it twice the yhave to push the limits more with the upcoming games... they have to stay competitive and thats not gonna work with reused textures

and for crysis dvd disk 1 install disk dvd disk 2 play disk...

And according to gamespotoblivion looked better on the PS3

the extra $200 in price for bluray to be included is a HUGE disadvantage to mass gamers.... as proven by the poor ps3 sales...

nice try...;)

tango90101

$100

[QUOTE="legalize3"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="legalize3"]

[QUOTE="OldParr"]and yet we get AAA games.blue ray is not neededMafia17

if blu-ray pushes new standards in gaming like dynamic day and night..... ?

So does Crysis :D (In multiplayer aswell)

for oblivion NO JUST NO reused textures all over the place bathesda cant do it twice the yhave to push the limits more with the upcoming games... they have to stay competitive and thats not gonna work with reused textures

and for crysis dvd disk 1 install disk dvd disk 2 play disk...

And according to gamespotoblivion looked better on the PS3

It works wonders, to have an extra year for developemnet.Ever think of that fanboy?

and yet we get AAA games.blue ray is not neededOldParr

[QUOTE="Mafia17"][QUOTE="legalize3"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="legalize3"]

[QUOTE="OldParr"]and yet we get AAA games.blue ray is not neededfixer293

if blu-ray pushes new standards in gaming like dynamic day and night..... ?

So does Crysis :D (In multiplayer aswell)

for oblivion NO JUST NO reused textures all over the place bathesda cant do it twice the yhave to push the limits more with the upcoming games... they have to stay competitive and thats not gonna work with reused textures

and for crysis dvd disk 1 install disk dvd disk 2 play disk...

And according to gamespotoblivion looked better on the PS3

It works wonders, to have an extra year for developemnet.Ever think of that fanboy?

lol o yeah

[QUOTE="OldParr"]and yet we get AAA games.blue ray is not neededEcho13791

"teh wait" scenario is old.

How can people still defend Blu-ray in the PS3?

I have no doubt the extra space is useful, and will grow even more useful as next-gen games expand. Thats not my argument, as creative design and compression can make lesser formats just as viable.

Look what Blu-ray has done to the PS3! Five hundred and ninety nine US dollars!! Sony seemed more concerned about getting HD movie players in to houses than a respectable, decently priced gaming system, and sales are reflecting that.

Do you think the 360 would ever have stood a chance against a $400 PS3?

I'm not saying they had to use DVD9. I've heard of other technologies out there that hold more than DVD and are still based on red laser technology, and would not have required all new machinery to press the discs, pushing prices even higher. They could have tried that if they were so concerned about space, but oh yeah... they wanted to push their new movie format.

[QUOTE="Echo13791"][QUOTE="OldParr"]and yet we get AAA games.blue ray is not neededfixer293

"teh wait" scenario is old.

dvds are old

[QUOTE="legalize3"]

and for crysis dvd disk 1 install disk dvd disk 2 play disk...

Hewkii

Shhh... you can't let facts get in the way of other peoples' opinion!

[QUOTE="fixer293"]

[QUOTE="Echo13791"][QUOTE="OldParr"]and yet we get AAA games.blue ray is not neededMafia17

"teh wait" scenario is old.

dvds are old

yet they sale better, you are the example of fanboy logic at its finest, come back when you have a clue.

[QUOTE="Mafia17"][QUOTE="fixer293"]

[QUOTE="Echo13791"][QUOTE="OldParr"]and yet we get AAA games.blue ray is not neededfixer293

"teh wait" scenario is old.

dvds are old

yet they sale better, you are the example of fanboy logic at its finest, come back when you have a clue.

how expesives was dvd when it first came out? did it sell alot? no not tell awhile later and the price went down.

[QUOTE="fixer293"][QUOTE="Mafia17"][QUOTE="fixer293"]

[QUOTE="Echo13791"][QUOTE="OldParr"]and yet we get AAA games.blue ray is not neededMafia17

"teh wait" scenario is old.

dvds are old

yet they sale better, you are the example of fanboy logic at its finest, come back when you have a clue.

how expesives was dvd when it first came out? did it sell alot? no not tell awhile later and the price went down.

Come back with something better than "teh wait" scenario, Im tired of waiting.DVD's, as well as the players are cheaper and still mainstream, and will be for a long time, because not everyone is willing to go out and buy a HD or blu-ray player and disks for the price they are at, and the price will not drop for a while.

[QUOTE="Mafia17"][QUOTE="fixer293"][QUOTE="Mafia17"][QUOTE="fixer293"]

[QUOTE="Echo13791"][QUOTE="OldParr"]and yet we get AAA games.blue ray is not neededfixer293

"teh wait" scenario is old.

dvds are old

yet they sale better, you are the example of fanboy logic at its finest, come back when you have a clue.

how expesives was dvd when it first came out? did it sell alot? no not tell awhile later and the price went down.

Come back with something better than "teh wait" scenario, Im tired of waiting.

thats life you have to wait for things

blu-ray isnt as big of an advantage as 200$ extra dollars is a disadvantage.

FACT.

thats life you have to wait for things

Not with DVD's, they are cheaper and so are the players, you fail.

fixer293

thats life you have to wait for things

Not with DVD's, they are cheaper and so are the players, you fail.

you had to wait for them to get cheaper didnt you???

[QUOTE="fixer293"]

Mafia17

thats life you have to wait for things

Not with DVD's, they are cheaper and so are the players, you fail.

you had to wait for them to get cheaper didnt you???

Uh, you were talking about Blu-ray to DVD, which is the cheaper of the two? and why wait, when you can have the DVD.

[QUOTE="Mafia17"][QUOTE="fixer293"]

fixer293

thats life you have to wait for things

Not with DVD's, they are cheaper and so are the players, you fail.

you had to wait for them to get cheaper didnt you???

No...I still watch VHS.

lol nice one

[QUOTE="Mafia17"][QUOTE="fixer293"]

fixer293

thats life you have to wait for things

Not with DVD's, they are cheaper and so are the players, you fail.

you had to wait for them to get cheaper didnt you???

Uh no, Because they are cheap now, duh.

[QUOTE="fixer293"][QUOTE="Mafia17"][QUOTE="fixer293"]

Mafia17

thats life you have to wait for things

Not with DVD's, they are cheaper and so are the players, you fail.

you had to wait for them to get cheaper didnt you???

No...I still watch VHS.

lol nice one

Yeah, You go spend $25 for a disk, while I go spend considerably less, you fanboys amaze me with all this stuff about "teh Bluray", when you can get the same thing on DVD for cheaper.

Another one of these threads and i'll puke.

BTW, just checked the TC game ratings, every PS3 game he rated got a 10.0 and he rated a single 360 game, shadowrun, with 1.0.

Thats great we need more people like you TC !!! ......... >_>

you guys get to caried away.. i can tell pretty much all of you are fanboys, especially dvd side people.

FACTS:

*wii does not need blu-ray because of real low textures. and the fact that all wii games are much smaller than the rest.

*blu-ray has been taken advantage in few games currently which shows how there isnt a huge gap between ps3 and 360 yet, because games being developed such as mgs4, ut3, killzone have blu-ray to work with them they will all ahve one disk with much better uncompressed audio/video qualities and lengthy stories.

*the fact that the 360 does have dvd holds EVERYONE back, games such as assassins creed, or mass effect, or gta 4 could be longer and could have mroe uncompressed audio/vide/longer game itself. The facts that the 360 has that holds everyone back.

also the fact soemone said that the 360 gets AAA games in response to a blu is needed argument is a horrible statement, not including multiplats, the 360 only has 2 AAA exclusive games, the ps3 will be sure to catch up soon.

[QUOTE="Mafia17"][QUOTE="fixer293"][QUOTE="Mafia17"][QUOTE="fixer293"]

fixer293

thats life you have to wait for things

Not with DVD's, they are cheaper and so are the players, you fail.

you had to wait for them to get cheaper didnt you???

No...I still watch VHS.

lol nice one

Yeah, You go spend $25 for a disk, while I go spend considerably less, you fanboys amaze me with all this stuff about "teh Bluray", when you can get the same thing on DVD for cheaper.

i mean i can buy a dvd for 20 bucks and watch a grainy dvd, or i can spend 5 to 10 mroe bucks and have a nice very clear movie that i smuch mroe enjoyable, unless your that cheap

you guys get to caried away.. i can tell pretty much all of you are fanboys, especially dvd side people.

FACTS:

*wii does not need blu-ray because of real low textures. and the fact that all wii games are much smaller than the rest.

*blu-ray has been taken advantage in few games currently which shows how there isnt a huge gap between ps3 and 360 yet, because games being developed such as mgs4, ut3, killzone have blu-ray to work with them they will all ahve one disk with much better uncompressed audio/video qualities and lengthy stories.

*the fact that the 360 does have dvd holds EVERYONE back, games such as assassins creed, or mass effect, or gta 4 could be longer and could have mroe uncompressed audio/vide/longer game itself. The facts that the 360 has that holds everyone back.

also the fact soemone said that the 360 gets AAA games in response to a blu is needed argument is a horrible statement, not including multiplats, the 360 only has 2 AAA exclusive games, the ps3 will be sure to catch up soon.

-PS360-

1. If Blu-Ray really added length to the story, why are Lair and Uncharted going to be roughly the same length as Gears, plus no multiplayer.

2. Somebody already proved in another thread that the only way the 360 holds back GTAIV is uncompressed audio, since audio takes up the most space anyway. The 360 isn't holding that game back. Dev costs hold games back.

3. Not a single QA tester at Bioware has visited every location in one play through of Mass Effect, sounds pretty damn big to me.

4. The 360 has 3 AAA exclusives, GRAW is a totally different game on the 360, and this has been discussed before.

[QUOTE="fixer293"][QUOTE="Mafia17"][QUOTE="fixer293"][QUOTE="Mafia17"][QUOTE="fixer293"]

-PS360-

thats life you have to wait for things

Not with DVD's, they are cheaper and so are the players, you fail.

you had to wait for them to get cheaper didnt you???

No...I still watch VHS.

lol nice one

Yeah, You go spend $25 for a disk, while I go spend considerably less, you fanboys amaze me with all this stuff about "teh Bluray", when you can get the same thing on DVD for cheaper.

i mean i can buy a dvd for 20 bucks and watch a grainy dvd, or i can spend 5 to 10 mroe bucks and have a nice very clear movie that i smuch mroe enjoyable, unless your that cheap

Thats funny, I don't see this "grain" your talking about, maybe it is because your eyes are blocked by goglles of fanboyism. DVD's are cheaper and Blu8-ray is not needed for gaming, end of story...Im out.