The return of the cartridge, are you ready?

[QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"]

[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"]I have a feeling that before that, we will just have direct downloads, so itll neva happen.dkrustyklown

^^^^THIS^^^^^.....Honestly...dvd, bluray are going to be a thing of the past very soon. My local walmart at one time had quite a few bluray dvds...BUT now they have nearly none...I think its only a matter of time before all moveable media is a thing of the past...everything is going to be downloadable very soon.

And people will also want long lasting solid-state hard drives to put those downloaded movies & games on. They will also want a portable media format so they can take those movies & games to their girlfriend's house instead of lugging their desktop or laptop everywhere they go. That's where these cards will come into play.

Don't be ridiculous. Full DD will never take over. Physical media has always worked in the past, present, & will continue to work in the future.

Plus those cartridges that you mentioned won't come into play anytime soon. Ever heard of HVD, etc.?

If they can make them big enough to cater for the size of games, and a fast enough transfer rate with some piracy protection then yeah why not. But as it is, Bluray discs are in their very early stages. DVDs weren't 8GB when they first were released so it's not like Bluray can't go bigger than 2TB. We shall see anyway.

One thing I would like about a return of cartridge games is the ergonomic aspect of it. They are so much easier to look after, as you don't have to worry about scratches. If they released a console with decent sized cartridges that came in proper cases rather than boxes, I'd be happy.

[QUOTE="Trmpt"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Photoshopping a photo is different because its editing something that already exists.

It's like building a sculpture. 10 years ago that sculpture had to be 50" wide. Now it has to be 500" wide (proportional to the height). But it costs the same. Is it feasible to make it 5000" wide?

HuusAsking

That was meant to be just one example of how the advancement of software has made the lives of developers easier.

You dont think that designers want to make that kind of game? You always here about how they WANT to create a large detailed world. There are always going to be devleopers out there that keep pushing the limits.

[QUOTE="Polaris_choice"]

Do you have any idea how much that one card would cost? Im sorry but the days of Cartrdige gaming sucked . Did we all forget how it felt to pay $60 for are games back in the N64 days? Hell some games even cost $80, now imagine how much one game would cost on that thing. Optical storage is much cheaper and by the time that thing is even finsihed Blu-Rays will hold much more data then they do now and cost far less.

hakanakumono

He thinks that computer chips will magically become cheaper to produce than discs.

First of all, consoles are not toys. If consoles are toys then DVD players are toys.

hakanakumono

Yes, consoles are toys.

1. an object, often a small representation of something familiar, as an animal or person, for children or others to play with; plaything.

2. a thing or matter of little or no value or importance; a trifle.

3.something that serves for or as if for diversion, rather than for serious pratical use.

4. a small article of little value but prized as a souvenir or for some other special reason; trinket; knickknack; bauble.

5. something diminutive, esp. in comparison with like objects.

6. an animal of a breed or variety noted for smallness of size: The winning terrier at the dog show was a toy.

7. a close-fitting cap of linen or wool, with flaps coming down to the shoulders, formerly worn by women in Scotland.

8. a simple, light piece of music, esp. of 16th or 17th century England, written for the virginal.

some dictionary

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

First of all, consoles are not toys. If consoles are toys then DVD players are toys.

dkrustyklown

Yes, consoles are toys.

1. an object, often a small representation of something familiar, as an animal or person, for children or others to play with; plaything.

2. a thing or matter of little or no value or importance; a trifle.

3.something that serves for or as if for diversion, rather than for serious pratical use.

4. a small article of little value but prized as a souvenir or for some other special reason; trinket; knickknack; bauble.

5. something diminutive, esp. in comparison with like objects.

6. an animal of a breed or variety noted for smallness of size: The winning terrier at the dog show was a toy.

7. a close-fitting cap of linen or wool, with flaps coming down to the shoulders, formerly worn by women in Scotland.

8. a simple, light piece of music, esp. of 16th or 17th century England, written for the virginal.

some dictionary

The dictionary cannot teach you how to speak English. It's purpose is to give you a rough idea of a word, like a tour guide pointing you in the right direction.If you knew English, you would know that not everhthing that doesn't have a serious, practical purpose is a toy. That is why books are not toys, nor are movies.

Consoles playback media. And games are a form of media, just like books and movies. Now games too are becoming established as storytelling mediums.

But just for the record, the Sega Saturn includes a "game" that is actually a demo for a house that was being sold in Japan at the time. There's your practical use.

Edit: Lol, looking at your definition more, I don't think you understand that what you bolded was not actually intended to represent real physical objects considred to be toys, but rather to allude to one of the meanings of "toy" when we refer to things that are not "toys" as toys. Like when my uncle calls his "boat" a toy. Boats are not toys, but for him it is a diversion and he uses it solely for his enjoyment.

That's a pretty condescending tone you have there with DD and broadband. Not only is it wrong but it's bordering on offensive.

He's arguing against DD on the grounds that poor people won't be able to use it. Wooo... people who can't afford games anyone will continue to not buy them... Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo are no doubt shaking in their boots at the thought of a demographic that doesn't buy their product continuing to not buy their product.subrosian

[QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

DS Piracy is rampant in America as well. A friend of mine owns a card that allows them to download DS games directly to the card and then play them on the DS. And there is DS emulation software readily available online for those who seek it.

Nintendo's "blue ocean" strategy has nothing to do with the fact that people who own Wii's probably also have access to the internet. 73.9% of America is online.

http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats2.htm

hakanakumono

Is it more rampant than PSP piracy?

Also, Nintendo's "blue ocean" strategy took advantage of the fact that the last few generations of consoles virtually ignored children. By ignoring children in favor of young adults, console-makers and game-developers left a huge void in the marketplace. Nintendo stepped in to take advantage, and it definitely helped them win this round.

Just because the adults in a household have internet access doesn't mean that the children do, too.

It's not as bad, it just has a bigger impact.

No they didn't. The PS1 generation was great for kids to grow up in. And there were plenty of kids games last gen too. I would say, however, that this gen kids games are lacking on the HD consoles, btu that's just because the kids have all flocked to the Wii. Nintendo has always developed games oriented towards children, so they didn't "see" anything and then act. They just did what they've always done.

Most kids have internet access when the parents do. Some parents are protective of their children, but the majority are not and most kids will have seen a rated R movie by the time they leave the 3rd grade.

[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"]I have a feeling that before that, we will just have direct downloads, so itll neva happen.FunkyHeadHunter

^^^^THIS^^^^^.....Honestly...dvd, bluray are going to be a thing of the past very soon. My local walmart at one time had quite a few bluray dvds...BUT now they have nearly none...I think its only a matter of time before all moveable media is a thing of the past...everything is going to be downloadable very soon.

And by then, the onLive model of cloud-computed server-side render may have taken over.

masterpinky2000

It would be really cool if you got a terrabyte SD card with your console and bought games using download stations in stores.

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]As long as I don't have to blow on it again.siLVURcross

It would be really cool if you got a terrabyte SD card with your console and bought games using download stations in stores.

manicfoot

I would love a return to cartridges as long as they aren't too expensive. Rather, I'd ike DS-sized game cards.

Krusty, the variable cost of a CD is so low that to produce a disc in America costs *pennies* - let alone overseas where labor costs are lower. The cost of an SD card *WILL NEVER, EVER, EVER* fall below the cost of a disc, PERIOD. A product at maximum volume will drop in cost to equal its *variable cost*. That means that if you produce enough units, you negate the fixed cost of the equipment used to produce said unit, and your only cost is the labor / time / materials, aka, your variable costs. - There is no way to reduce the variable cost of a transistor-device below the variable cost of a sheet of smooth aluminum. It's not going to happen. SD cards can sell 10 units per person on earth per day, and they still will cost more per unit than discs.subrosian

What about th fact that the cd/dvd/bluray ect will require a drive where as a cartridge/sd card requires only a simple contact/port. The cost of a disc drive would probably be equivelent to like 30-40 cartridges/sd card.

[QUOTE="manicfoot"]

It would be really cool if you got a terrabyte SD card with your console and bought games using download stations in stores.

mr_poodles123

[QUOTE="subrosian"]Krusty, the variable cost of a CD is so low that to produce a disc in America costs *pennies* - let alone overseas where labor costs are lower. The cost of an SD card *WILL NEVER, EVER, EVER* fall below the cost of a disc, PERIOD. A product at maximum volume will drop in cost to equal its *variable cost*. That means that if you produce enough units, you negate the fixed cost of the equipment used to produce said unit, and your only cost is the labor / time / materials, aka, your variable costs. - There is no way to reduce the variable cost of a transistor-device below the variable cost of a sheet of smooth aluminum. It's not going to happen. SD cards can sell 10 units per person on earth per day, and they still will cost more per unit than discs.D00DIES

What about th fact that the cd/dvd/bluray ect will require a drive where as a cartridge/sd card requires only a simple contact/port. The cost of a disc drive would probably be equivelent to like 30-40 cartridges/sd card.

It's not going to happen. Besides, games are never going to need TB of data. Anything over bluray size will be too expensive to produce anyways.

And even if it does, it won't erase the failure of Nintendo in the past.

hakanakumono

They will eventually. Video Games are constantly growing in size. The more powerful the hardware, the larger the games will be (high-res textures, etc).

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

It's not going to happen. Besides, games are never going to need TB of data. Anything over bluray size will be too expensive to produce anyways.

And even if it does, it won't erase the failure of Nintendo in the past.

Rikusaki

They will eventually. Video Games are constantly growing in size. The more powerful the hardware, the larger the games will be (high-res textures, etc).

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

It's not going to happen. Besides, games are never going to need TB of data. Anything over bluray size will be too expensive to produce anyways.

And even if it does, it won't erase the failure of Nintendo in the past.

HuusAsking

They will eventually. Video Games are constantly growing in size. The more powerful the hardware, the larger the games will be (high-res textures, etc).

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

They will eventually. Video Games are constantly growing in size. The more powerful the hardware, the larger the games will be (high-res textures, etc).

Rikusaki

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Except that the productions costs for all that material (especially the artistic assets, which are strictly of human origin) rise to much that diminishing returns start to kick in. Look at the blockbuster movie budgets these days. Game budgets are moving along the same road.HuusAsking

You know guys, I bet that sooner or later we will need a terabyte of space.Look:

1. Eventually graphics will become photo-realistic, which will certainly take up a lot of space. And then there's physics, AI, etc which will also all get better and require more space.

2. Downloadable content seems to be becoming more and more standard. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if in the future instead of buying a game cartridge, you bought a "series cartridge" meaning you would get the first game and all previous games and sequels would be downloadable on to that cartridge. Sounds like something companies would do to make more money.

3. Slowly but surely, computers are slowly catching up to us. I bet that in the not too distant future developers, instead of developing a game, will be able to write a program that would develop the game better than any human would, with no drawbacks. And since computers can work faster than humans and do it 24//7, games will inevitably become much larger than they are today.

They will eventually. Video Games are constantly growing in size. The more powerful the hardware, the larger the games will be (high-res textures, etc).

Rikusaki

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

It's not going to happen. Besides, games are never going to need TB of data. Anything over bluray size will be too expensive to produce anyways.

And even if it does, it won't erase the failure of Nintendo in the past.

HuusAsking

They will eventually. Video Games are constantly growing in size. The more powerful the hardware, the larger the games will be (high-res textures, etc).

3. Slowly but surely, computers are slowly catching up to us. I bet that in the not too distant future developers, instead of developing a game, will be able to write a program that would develop the game better than any human would, with no drawbacks. And since computers can work faster than humans and do it 24//7, games will inevitably become much larger than they are today.

Head_of_games

Two terabyte SD cards are already in development. One of these babies will have enough room to hold 100 HD movies and will be vastly superior to any disc media available. Impervious to scratches and read by a device with no moving parts, such a storage solution will make even Blue-Ray seem like an archaic artifact of a bygone era.

So, what does this mean to console gaming?

Personally, I think that the age of the cartridge will see a glorious return. The discs of our era will be viewed as an aberration in the evolution of consoles. We'll all look back and say, "what were we thinking? Moving parts? Yuck!"

I hope that Nintendo will be the first company to (re)utilize this technology. It will be the equivalent to a giant outstretched middle finger aimed right at Sony (anyone that remembers the original Nintendy/Sony partnership in R&D leading up to the N64 & Playstation will know what I'm talking about).

With moving parts out of the way, we'll be able to enjoy consoles that last 20+ years again.dkrustyklown

Isn't Nintendo looking at holographic disks or something?

[QUOTE="manicfoot"]

It would be really cool if you got a terrabyte SD card with your console and bought games using download stations in stores.

mr_poodles123

My apologies! I only read the first few pages before posting :P

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"]

3. Slowly but surely, computers are slowly catching up to us. I bet that in the not too distant future developers, instead of developing a game, will be able to write a program that would develop the game better than any human would, with no drawbacks. And since computers can work faster than humans and do it 24//7, games will inevitably become much larger than they are today.

HuusAsking

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Head_of_games"]

3. Slowly but surely, computers are slowly catching up to us. I bet that in the not too distant future developers, instead of developing a game, will be able to write a program that would develop the game better than any human would, with no drawbacks. And since computers can work faster than humans and do it 24//7, games will inevitably become much larger than they are today.

Head_of_games

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

They will eventually. Video Games are constantly growing in size. The more powerful the hardware, the larger the games will be (high-res textures, etc).

foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]But there's still the artistry to deal with. A game can be logically correct and still be aethetically a mess. And AFAIK, art has, is, and for the time being will remain a strictly human affair. Frankly, if a machine could produce compelling stories and art that wows even the jaded eyes of gamers, that same machine would likely pass the Turing Test for artificial intelligence.HuusAsking

I didn't say that it did correlate to game quality. :|

Rikusaki

yeah, and they'll probably cost like $600

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"] I didn't say that it did correlate to game quality. :|

foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"] I didn't say that it did correlate to game quality. :|

Rikusaki

Some people still think that Full DD is the best thing since sliced bread...wow.

As long as I don't have to blow on it again.siLVURcross

Some people still think that Full DD is the best thing since sliced bread...wow.

garland51

was'nt dgital download the futere of consoles?

It's not going to happen. Besides, games are never going to need TB of data. Anything over bluray size will be too expensive to produce anyways.

And even if it does, it won't erase the failure of Nintendo in the past.

was'nt dgital download the futere of consoles?

L30KinG

You know guys, I bet that sooner or later we will need a terabyte of space.Look:

1. Eventually graphics will become photo-realistic, which will certainly take up a lot of space. And then there's physics, AI, etc which will also all get better and require more space.

2. Downloadable content seems to be becoming more and more standard. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if in the future instead of buying a game cartridge, you bought a "series cartridge" meaning you would get the first game and all previous games and sequels would be downloadable on to that cartridge. Sounds like something companies would do to make more money.

3. Slowly but surely, computers are slowly catching up to us. I bet that in the not too distant future developers, instead of developing a game, will be able to write a program that would develop the game better than any human would, with no drawbacks. And since computers can work faster than humans and do it 24//7, games will inevitably become much larger than they are today.

Head_of_games

Photo realistic games will probably never become financially viable.