The Unfinished Swan GS Review (6.5) Cows cannot catch a Break

I don't think anyone was hyping this.

last time 81 I checked 81 metacritic is pretty good.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]I find the IGN review to be more professional (like always) [...]Zeviander

Last time I checked they were the biggest publication in the industry and get the news and exclusive dev interviews that no one else does. IGN has far more info on their website than GS main page does.

Do you have proof that they are unprofessional?

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Watch as lemmings claiming "Flop!!!" over an unhyped game, as far as 50 pages.mems_1224

last time 81 I checked 81 metacritic is pretty good.

Maneil99

[QUOTE="Maneil99"]

last time 81 I checked 81 metacritic is pretty good.

MrYaotubo

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[QUOTE="MrYaotubo"][QUOTE="Maneil99"]

last time 81 I checked 81 metacritic is pretty good.

hippiesanta

That picture in your sig is from Infamous 2. It's a shop in the game that tries to fix RROD 360's.

Your sig makes me want to go back and play it again :P

I don't think anyone was hyping this.

ReadingRainbow4

[QUOTE="hippiesanta"][QUOTE="MrYaotubo"] It´s at 80 and the GS score hasn´t been added yet,so when it does it will fall into the 70´s range.ShadowMoses900

That picture in your sig is from Infamous 2. It's a shop in the game that tries to fix RROD 360's.

Your sig makes me want to go back and play it again :P

Unfortunately while it looks really cool and creative, the shallow gameplay is stereotypical of indie games. :(tagyhag

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]Unfortunately while it looks really cool and creative, the shallow gameplay is stereotypical of indie games. :(FrozenLiquid

Speaking of indie games, has anyone bought the new Fall Bundle?

Giant Bomb quick look sounds like a 3/5 is coming. So good luck on the meta going up cows :)

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

I don't think anyone was hyping this.

Frostbite24

Speaking of indie games, has anyone bought the new Fall Bundle?

PhazonBlazer

Might get it for To The Moon alone but I don't really want the other games...

Speaking of indie games, has anyone bought the new Fall Bundle?

PhazonBlazer

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="tagyhag"]Unfortunately while it looks really cool and creative, the shallow gameplay is stereotypical of indie games. :(DarkLink77

[QUOTE="PhazonBlazer"]

Speaking of indie games, has anyone bought the new Fall Bundle?

DarkLink77

http://www.indieroyale.com/

It's almost worth it just for To The Moon.

[QUOTE="PhazonBlazer"]

Speaking of indie games, has anyone bought the new Fall Bundle?

whiskeystrike

Might get it for To The Moon alone but I don't really want the other games...

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] I hate how a lot of indie games are becoming an exercise of styIe over substance. It reminds me of the music scene over the last decade. Thank the Lord there's some indie games out there that are bucking the trend. FTL is an amazing indie game for the PC.FrozenLiquid

Sounds like something I'd like. :o

Right now? Not much, and nothing new. StarCraft, Uncharted 2, and League.

Oh, and Pandaland. Lots of Pandaland.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Is FTL really that good? I've kind of been wanting to play it. Looks super fun.DarkLink77

Sounds like something I'd like. :o

Right now? Not much, and nothing new. StarCraft, Uncharted 2, and League.

Oh, and Pandaland. Lots of Pandaland.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] I can't remember the last time I kept daydreaming about a game long after playing it. Even Dishonored didn't do it for me. If you don't mind Roguelikes i.e dying over and over, barely-winning-and-if-you-do-start-again-anyway, f*ck yeah FTL is sweet. Don't get it on Steam though, f*ck that DRM sh!t. Buy directly from them or from GoG.com. I'm hoping they can add some more updates/encounters through updates. Not that I've grown tired of them, but part of the fun is dropping in on totally unexpected occurrences. What's a game you're playing now btw?FrozenLiquid

Sounds like something I'd like. :o

Right now? Not much, and nothing new. StarCraft, Uncharted 2, and League.

Oh, and Pandaland. Lots of Pandaland.

Game looked and still looks like garbage. But seriously, exclusives still matter? I only see Rain and Last of Us as interesting upcoming games on the Trey, everything else is multiplat. Including the gorgeous Tomb Raider.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Sounds like something I'd like. :o

Right now? Not much, and nothing new. StarCraft, Uncharted 2, and League.

Oh, and Pandaland. Lots of Pandaland.

DarkLink77

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] I 6/10'd the original, not the sequel. DarkLink77

I'd say the writing and the acting and delivery is pretty good. Also love the little incidental dialogue you get sometimes.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] Oh true. Does it hold up well after all these years?OB-47

I'd say the writing and the acting and delivery is pretty good. Also love the little incidental dialogue you get sometimes.

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] There are bits that annoy the living f*ck out of me, and I really don't see why everyone creams their jeans over the writing/story-telling because it's nothing to write home about, but the game is beautiful, the platforming sucks less, the gunplay feels good, and they all but got rid of the "Open your journal to solve this because we suck at puzzle design" puzzles. So yeah, it holds up. I'd give it a solid 8.0 if someone put a gun to my head and demanded a score.DarkLink77

I'd say the writing and the acting and delivery is pretty good. Also love the little incidental dialogue you get sometimes.

Eh, it's not like a care too much. It's just entertaining dialogue really. A lot better than the majority of triple A video games. Story is fairly boring though, I don't think I remember any of it.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="OB-47"]

I'd say the writing and the acting and delivery is pretty good. Also love the little incidental dialogue you get sometimes.

OB-47

Eh, it's not like a care too much. It's just entertaining dialogue really. A lot better than the majority of triple A video games. Story is fairly boring though, I don't think I remember any of it.

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] The writing is action-movie level. Most of it just advances the plot. To be honest, I don't give a crap about any of the characters.DarkLink77

Eh, it's not like a care too much. It's just entertaining dialogue really. A lot better than the majority of triple A video games. Story is fairly boring though, I don't think I remember any of it.

As I said.. another garbage movie game.

ITT...

- Lems are claiming ownage on a game that was never being hyped in the first place.

- Lems are claiming ownage on a game that doesn't count in the metagame.

Mhmm.

Poor Cows.

You know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." If, tomorrow, I predict a terrible Sony exclusive meets hype or a 360 exclusive flops, and they do, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan". But when one little old Kinect game outscores a Sony-published arthouse title, well, then

DarkLink77

Heheh posted the gif in the fable thread, funny stuff.

ITT...

- Lems are claiming ownage on a game that was never being hyped in the first place.

- Lems are claiming ownage on a game that doesn't count in the metagame.

Mhmm.

Master_ShakeXXX

Meh nothing on SW should be taking seriously, its just a *game* to most people and barely anyone is actually *serious*

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Poor Cows.

You know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." If, tomorrow, I predict a terrible Sony exclusive meets hype or a 360 exclusive flops, and they do, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan". But when one little old Kinect game outscores a Sony-published arthouse title, well, then

Blake135

Heheh posted the gif in the fable thread, funny stuff.

ITT...

- Lems are claiming ownage on a game that was never being hyped in the first place.

- Lems are claiming ownage on a game that doesn't count in the metagame.

Mhmm.

Master_ShakeXXX

Every time an XBLA game has gone to the PC this year, Cows have claimed ownage. Turnabout is fair game.

[QUOTE="Blake135"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Poor Cows.

You know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." If, tomorrow, I predict a terrible Sony exclusive meets hype or a 360 exclusive flops, and they do, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan". But when one little old Kinect game outscores a Sony-published arthouse title, well, then

DarkLink77

Heheh posted the gif in the fable thread, funny stuff.

Yeah good choice this thread is going to be around for awhile:P

ITT...

- Lems are claiming ownage on a game that was never being hyped in the first place.

- Lems are claiming ownage on a game that doesn't count in the metagame.

Mhmm.

Master_ShakeXXX

This post screams damage control

[QUOTE="2Chalupas"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] There are 7 other scores on MC that are below an 8.0, and the game doesn't even have 30 reviews yet. That's a pretty big chunk. It's going to go down. DarkLink77

30 is a good sample size even from fairly large datasets. So if it had 30 random reviews (i.e. not all "Playstation Lifestyle) that would pretty much be 99% indicative of what the scores would end up at.

If it has 22 relatively random reviews, that is also a pretty fair "sample" size since the whole population of reviews will probably barely be 30 anyway. It could easily move a few points up or down, but Gamespot's review will obviously be much lower than the average. A bunch of websites would have to review 4.0's to bring it all the way down to Gamespot's number, which is unlikely to happen.

It's also pretty funny people rely so much on Gamespot scores, comparing Fable The Journey is actually a perfectly illustration of why it's silly to compare 1 reviewers opinion of one game, to a completely different reviewers take on another completely unique game. Gamespot has been all over the radar lately.

Fable The Journey: 8.0 gamespot, 62 Metacritic, 56 user score. (gamespot +19 to the mean)

Unfinished Swan 6.5 gamespot, 81 metracritic, NA user score (not enough data yet). (gamespot -16 to the mean)

About the only useful information is that Fable the Journey is rather grossly overrated by Gamespot's reviewer compared to everywhere, and the early indication seems they under-rated Unfinished Swan. Lately Gamespot is almost as bad as Destructoid in chronically overrating 360 exclusives, and underrating PS3/PSN games. Not saying there's a "consiracy", but sometimes the differences are so wide it's almost silly.

That statement doesn't even make sense. If there's 20 random scores already out averaging 8.0, why would anyone make an assumption about the next 10 scores moving the overall score in either direction? The way statistics work, if you already have 20 scores averaging 8.0, odds are the next 10 random reviews will also average somewhere around 8.0. They might fluctuate with random sampling error, and make the average go to 7.8 or 8.2, but the direction is not predictable. It is no more difficult for a statistical mean to go up .2 than it is to go down .2.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="2Chalupas"]

30 is a good sample size even from fairly large datasets. So if it had 30 random reviews (i.e. not all "Playstation Lifestyle) that would pretty much be 99% indicative of what the scores would end up at.

If it has 22 relatively random reviews, that is also a pretty fair "sample" size since the whole population of reviews will probably barely be 30 anyway. It could easily move a few points up or down, but Gamespot's review will obviously be much lower than the average. A bunch of websites would have to review 4.0's to bring it all the way down to Gamespot's number, which is unlikely to happen.

It's also pretty funny people rely so much on Gamespot scores, comparing Fable The Journey is actually a perfectly illustration of why it's silly to compare 1 reviewers opinion of one game, to a completely different reviewers take on another completely unique game. Gamespot has been all over the radar lately.

Fable The Journey: 8.0 gamespot, 62 Metacritic, 56 user score. (gamespot +19 to the mean)

Unfinished Swan 6.5 gamespot, 81 metracritic, NA user score (not enough data yet). (gamespot -16 to the mean)

About the only useful information is that Fable the Journey is rather grossly overrated by Gamespot's reviewer compared to everywhere, and the early indication seems they under-rated Unfinished Swan. Lately Gamespot is almost as bad as Destructoid in chronically overrating 360 exclusives, and underrating PS3/PSN games. Not saying there's a "consiracy", but sometimes the differences are so wide it's almost silly.

2Chalupas

That statement doesn't even make sense. If there's 20 random scores already out averaging 8.0, why would anyone make an assumption about the next 10 scores moving the overall score in either direction? The way statistics work, if you already have 20 scores averaging 8.0, odds are the next 10 random reviews will also average somewhere around 8.0. They might fluctuate with random sampling error, and make the average go to 7.8 or 8.2, but the direction is not predictable. It is no more difficult for a statistical mean to go up .2 than it is to go down .2.

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

ITT...

- Lems are claiming ownage on a game that was never being hyped in the first place.

- Lems are claiming ownage on a game that doesn't count in the metagame.

Mhmm.

OB-47

This post screams damage control

I've already stated a couple times before that I have no interest in purchasing this game. I'm simply pointing out the obvious here.

Why is it that in these types of threads if you say anything other than "flop" you're instantly accused of damage controlling? It's pretty annoying.

[QUOTE="2Chalupas"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] I'm not saying it's going to go to the GS score. I'm saying it's going to go lower because it's far harder to go higher, no matter the MetaScore.DarkLink77

That statement doesn't even make sense. If there's 20 random scores already out averaging 8.0, why would anyone make an assumption about the next 10 scores moving the overall score in either direction? The way statistics work, if you already have 20 scores averaging 8.0, odds are the next 10 random reviews will also average somewhere around 8.0. They might fluctuate with random sampling error, and make the average go to 7.8 or 8.2, but the direction is not predictable. It is no more difficult for a statistical mean to go up .2 than it is to go down .2.

That early bias theory might be true on major AAA titles where the reviews are obviously "bought" (i.e. call of duty), but overall I don't think it holds up terribly well. Reviews tend to be fairly random, and thus fall pretty well into the pervue of statistics. There aren't enough "playstation magazine" or "xbox magazine" to really skew the overall data. If there were only 5 reviews out, then it could be a totally skewed number based on too small of a sample size (and possibly the most biased reviews first). But once you have a sample 23, that gets close to the "magic number" of 30. So statistically it will start to be pretty accurate.