The way i see it all the 3 red lights of death is 90% faked up

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#201 scottishbull72
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If it was fake EU wouldn't be draging MS to court over it.trasherhead

ms should sue them back and they would win easy

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#202 scottishbull72
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sorry near all the red lights thing are all fake.
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#203 Lazy_Boy88
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Well you see it wrong.
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#204 Bebi_vegeta
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sorry near all the red lights thing are all fake.scottishbull72

Is this why there doing a 65nm chip and adding cooling, because the red lights are fake?

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#205 scottishbull72
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[QUOTE="scottishbull72"]sorry near all the red lights thing are all fake.Bebi_vegeta

Is this why there doing a 65nm chip and adding cooling, because the red lights are fake?

save money than losing money just like the ps3

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#206 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="scottishbull72"]sorry near all the red lights thing are all fake.scottishbull72

Is this why there doing a 65nm chip and adding cooling, because the red lights are fake?

save money than losing money just like the ps3

What? Why do you mention PS3?

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#207 scottishbull72
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[QUOTE="scottishbull72"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="scottishbull72"]sorry near all the red lights thing are all fake.Bebi_vegeta

Is this why there doing a 65nm chip and adding cooling, because the red lights are fake?

save money than losing money just like the ps3

What? Why do you mention PS3?

well xbox 360 is making 65nm chips to save money and ps3 will do the same so they will end up making money just like the 360

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#208 Kekira
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My dad must be part of the 10% because he just lost his second 360 in the past year.
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#209 1stCommando
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it's not fake, i promise i have it right now, i'll try to get a picture up if i can find my camera. i love my xbox i had it since day one but after i downloaded a recent patch it had the 3 red lights... $140 is what they told me
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#210 Tiefster
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There are fake stories but I think most people are on their 3rd or 4th console by now. Suppsedly the defect rate can be higher than 25% but I don't look into these things so don't falme me for saying something I read.
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#211 scottishbull72
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My dad must be part of the 10% because he just lost his second 360 in the past year.Kekira

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#212 scottishbull72
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it's not fake, i promise i have it right now, i'll try to get a picture up if i can find my camera. i love my xbox i had it since day one but after i downloaded a recent patch it had the 3 red lights... $140 is what they told me1stCommando

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#213 1stCommando
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[QUOTE="1stCommando"]it's not fake, i promise i have it right now, i'll try to get a picture up if i can find my camera. i love my xbox i had it since day one but after i downloaded a recent patch it had the 3 red lights... $140 is what they told mescottishbull72

stop lien

http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xboxlightez8.jpg

i took it with my phone but here it is

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#214 scottishbull72
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[QUOTE="scottishbull72"]

[QUOTE="1stCommando"]it's not fake, i promise i have it right now, i'll try to get a picture up if i can find my camera. i love my xbox i had it since day one but after i downloaded a recent patch it had the 3 red lights... $140 is what they told me1stCommando

stop lien

http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xboxlightez8.jpg

i took it with my phone but here it is

Faked up too the hills:roll:

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#215 1stCommando
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[QUOTE="1stCommando"][QUOTE="scottishbull72"]

[QUOTE="1stCommando"]it's not fake, i promise i have it right now, i'll try to get a picture up if i can find my camera. i love my xbox i had it since day one but after i downloaded a recent patch it had the 3 red lights... $140 is what they told mescottishbull72

stop lien

http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xboxlightez8.jpg

i took it with my phone but here it is

Faked up too the hills:roll:

uh no ur just too convinced that it's fake... want me to take another one and put a sticky not on it that says 1stcommando? would that make u believe it

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#216 scottishbull72
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[QUOTE="scottishbull72"][QUOTE="1stCommando"][QUOTE="scottishbull72"]

[QUOTE="1stCommando"]it's not fake, i promise i have it right now, i'll try to get a picture up if i can find my camera. i love my xbox i had it since day one but after i downloaded a recent patch it had the 3 red lights... $140 is what they told me1stCommando

stop lien

http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xboxlightez8.jpg

i took it with my phone but here it is

Faked up too the hills:roll:

uh no ur just too convinced that it's fake... want me to take another one and put a sticky not on it that says 1stcommando? would that make u believe it

go for it

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#217 jigga1142
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my launch model 360 is still kicking (knocks on wood) but in all honesty, it's tuckedinto that tiny opening in myentertainment center nor is it standing upright, shoved into some small corner along side my tveither.. that thing is sitting right in front of my air-conditioner.. hahaha... my wii took a crap on me though..
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#218 scottishbull72
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my launch model 360 is still kicking (knocks on wood) but in all honesty, it's tuckedinto that tiny opening in myentertainment center nor is it standing upright, shoved into some small corner along side my tveither.. that thing is sitting right in front of my air-conditioner.. hahaha... my wii took a crap on me though.. jigga1142

See the red ring of death is fake

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#219 Crovax20
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I'm on my second one, don't care if you believe me or not. As long as I know, that I'm not faking
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#220 LeDavester
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of course it's real. move up to acceptance please. stop being in the first step of denial.
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#221 scottishbull72
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of course it's real. move up to acceptance please. stop being in the first step of denial.LeDavester

its not real the three ring of death is not real

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#223 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="scottishbull72"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="scottishbull72"]sorry near all the red lights thing are all fake.scottishbull72

Is this why there doing a 65nm chip and adding cooling, because the red lights are fake?

save money than losing money just like the ps3

What? Why do you mention PS3?

well xbox 360 is making 65nm chips to save money and ps3 will do the same so they will end up making money just like the 360

Save money and less heat that genarates from the chip.

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#224 scottishbull72
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Its not real no one has give me proof
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#225 Bebi_vegeta
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Its not real no one has give me proofscottishbull72

Adding a new heat pipe and heatsink, proof made.

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#226 scottishbull72
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[QUOTE="scottishbull72"]Its not real no one has give me proofBebi_vegeta

Adding a new heat pipe and heatsink, proof made.

I cant see it so it not proof too me

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#227 libthegod
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Really? The gamestop's 360 near my house has the 3 red lights, also some of my friends are already on their 3rd/4th console.
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#228 scottishbull72
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No pics or any type of proof i have said it all a long it all fake and made up.
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#229 scottishbull72
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Really? The gamestop's 360 near my house has the 3 red lights, also some of my friends are already on their 3rd/4th console.libthegod

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#230 scottishbull72
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No pics or any type of proof i have said it all a long it all fake and made up.scottishbull72
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#231 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="scottishbull72"]Its not real no one has give me proofscottishbull72

Adding a new heat pipe and heatsink, proof made.

I cant see it so it not proof too me

HERE, if you cant see it then your blind!!!

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#232 scottishbull72
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[QUOTE="scottishbull72"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="scottishbull72"]Its not real no one has give me proofBebi_vegeta

Adding a new heat pipe and heatsink, proof made.

I cant see it so it not proof too me

HERE, if you can see it then your blind!!!

What a total joke thats the first xbox 360 out heat pipes where all 360s have the same stuff in them good try do better next time.

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#233 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="scottishbull72"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="scottishbull72"]Its not real no one has give me proofscottishbull72

Adding a new heat pipe and heatsink, proof made.

I cant see it so it not proof too me

HERE, if you can see it then your blind!!!

What a total joke thats the first xbox 360 out heat pipes where all 360s have the same stuff in them good try do better next time.

Why dont you open your's and show me with your name on a peice of paper.

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#234 Bebi_vegeta
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http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2007/06/14/ms-responds-to-new-heatsink-in-360s/

Microsoft has responded (in a manner of speaking) to yesterday's reports that the company has been installing new additional heatsinks when repairing Xbox 360s. Supposedly, these new heatsinks are appearing in refurbished Xbox 360s in the United Kingdom as a means to combat the Red Ring of Death. In response to a query from gamesindustry.biz, a Microsoft spokesperson noted that "regularly updating console components is commonplace within the industry and is a standard aspect of the business for a variety of reasons including cost reduction, improved manufacturability and improved performance." So yeah, they dodged the question. Furthermore, the representative refused to directly confirm or deny the new heatsinks, saying that Microsoft does not provide information regarding hardware updates. Uh huh, and we're sure that Microsoft won't be trumpeting the new 65nm GPUs either. Sure ....

Our translation: there are new heatsinks in refurbished Xbox 360s, but admitting that would be tantamount to admitting that the 360 has a systemic flaw, something Microsoft is not keen to do.

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#235 scottishbull72
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[QUOTE="scottishbull72"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="scottishbull72"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="scottishbull72"]Its not real no one has give me proofBebi_vegeta

Adding a new heat pipe and heatsink, proof made.

I cant see it so it not proof too me

HERE, if you can see it then your blind!!!

What a total joke thats the first xbox 360 out heat pipes where all 360s have the same stuff in them good try do better next time.

Why dont you open your's and show me with your name on a peice of paper.

:lol: this is a joke

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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="scottishbull72"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="scottishbull72"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="scottishbull72"]Its not real no one has give me proofscottishbull72

Adding a new heat pipe and heatsink, proof made.

I cant see it so it not proof too me

HERE, if you can see it then your blind!!!

What a total joke thats the first xbox 360 out heat pipes where all 360s have the same stuff in them good try do better next time.

Why dont you open your's and show me with your name on a peice of paper.

:lol: this is a joke

Yeah that's what i taught you were.

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[QUOTE="scottishbull72"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="scottishbull72"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="scottishbull72"]Its not real no one has give me proofBebi_vegeta

Adding a new heat pipe and heatsink, proof made.

I cant see it so it not proof too me

HERE, if you can see it then your blind!!!

What a total joke thats the first xbox 360 out heat pipes where all 360s have the same stuff in them good try do better next time.

Why dont you open your's and show me with your name on a peice of paper.

next you will be saying ms has been putting water-coolers in there new 360s to stop the fake red lights:lol:

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#238 Bebi_vegeta
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Denial at it's best.
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#239 crck
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My red ring of joy. Aint it cute? Thanks Microsoft!!!

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#240 loudharley
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I only know one person that has had a problem with there 360 and i know a lot of people that have them considering i work at gamestop and i have plenty of friends that i play online with.Ive never had a problem with mine either and i bought it at launch.Im not saying that people out there arent having problems here and there,its just i believe a lot of this stuff u read on messege boards about red lights comes from fans of other consoles but to say there all fake would be a lie.I dont care what type of electronic device it is someone will get a lemon here and there.I just find it strange that i only know one person thats had a problem with there 360 out of maybe 30 people that i know that has them,not to mension regular customers that come in the store and chat about games.Maybe my home town got all the good ones.
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#241 scottishbull72
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My red ring of joy. Aint it cute? Thanks Microsoft!!!

crck

Good one did you use photoshop too make that picture nice fake

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#242 scottishbull72
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Nice fake picture he must have used photoshop
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#243 scottishbull72
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Nice fake picture he must have used photoshop
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I only know one person that has had a problem with there 360 and i know a lot of people that have them considering i work at gamestop and i have plenty of friends that i play online with.Ive never had a problem with mine either and i bought it at launch.Im not saying that people out there arent having problems here and there,its just i believe a lot of this stuff u read on messege boards about red lights comes from fans of other consoles but to say there all fake would be a lie.I dont care what type of electronic device it is someone will get a lemon here and there.I just find it strange that i only know one person thats had a problem with there 360 out of maybe 30 people that i know that has them,not to mension regular customers that come in the store and chat about games.Maybe my home town got all the good ones.loudharley

Just like one "user" tried to convince me that i needed to be worried about my launch 360 because it was doomed to fail. Of the 3 people that I personally know that have a 360, only one has failed. That one failed because the guy preferred to sit his cold beers on the damn 360 itself. We came to the conclusion that some water or condensation got into the electronics and fried something..... :shock:

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#245 TNT_Slug
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The way i see it all the 3 red lights of death is 90% faked up i have had my xbox 360 from day one no overheating or red lights the air come out the back of my xbox 360 is cool never warm or hot.scottishbull72
You know, I was thinking the other day I've never been gay so this whole homosexuality thing is 90% faked up.
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#246 gerard-williams
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moste are faked , i had mine since lauch also , never had a problem, but i havent bin playing it 10 hours a day lately, so who knows..IvGot5onit

Mate, you can't say that! Many people have had serious problems with their 360's, lets face it! The console is problematic! Even Microsoft has extended people's warranties! I had the experience where I got error and then the three red lights! Before this it was scratching the hell out of Gears of War! I rang Microsoft and they said "Sorry sir, you must have been jumping around your console causing vibration, because vibrations will **** it up" I said no, the console has been sitting vertically and I have not been jumping around etc, and they kept saying "sorry sir we will not replace your game and its your fault" Its such a problem console its **** I had 2 new 360's both ****ed up within the first 1-2 weeks!

SO ITS NOT FAKED SOME PEOPLE ARE EXTREMELY LUCKY AND GET CONSOLES THAT WORK PROBLEM FREE, WHILST OTHERS SUFFER THE THREE RINGS!!!!!! SO ITS NOT 90% OF PEOPLE FAKING, ALMOST ALL OF THEM WOULD BE TELLING THE TRUTH!! TAKE UR FAN BOY GLASSES OFF AND SEE THE CONSOLE FOR WHAT IT IS! CHEAPLY DESIGNED AND MADE, AND POOR AFTER SALE SUPPORT!

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#247 ragek1ll589
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Nice fake picture he must have used photoshopscottishbull72


wow...just plain wow
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#248 InsaneBasura
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Just wanted to say this: Why are you bothering arguing with scottishbull? It's a joke character. Just joke back at him by saying you like bananas or something.

http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2007/06/14/ms-responds-to-new-heatsink-in-360s/

Microsoft has responded (in a manner of speaking) to yesterday's reports that the company has been installing new additional heatsinks when repairing Xbox 360s. Supposedly, these new heatsinks are appearing in refurbished Xbox 360s in the United Kingdom as a means to combat the Red Ring of Death. In response to a query from gamesindustry.biz, a Microsoft spokesperson noted that "regularly updating console components is commonplace within the industry and is a standard aspect of the business for a variety of reasons including cost reduction, improved manufacturability and improved performance." So yeah, they dodged the question. Furthermore, the representative refused to directly confirm or deny the new heatsinks, saying that Microsoft does not provide information regarding hardware updates. Uh huh, and we're sure that Microsoft won't be trumpeting the new 65nm GPUs either. Sure ....

Our translation: there are new heatsinks in refurbished Xbox 360s, but admitting that would be tantamount to admitting that the 360 has a systemic flaw, something Microsoft is not keen to do.

Bebi_vegeta

Hopefully Microsoft has screwed themselves here. There is no other reason to add a bloody heatsink than to more effectively get rid of heat. And why would that be necessary, eh? I'm getting increasingly pissed off by Microsoft's dishonesty.

I will say though that I like how everything seems to be accumulating. Hopefully it'll all blow up in Microsoft's stupid, lying face soon.

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#249 The_Game21x
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Nice fake picture he must have used photoshopscottishbull72

:|

I don't know how to properly reply to this...

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#250 flazzle
Member since 2007 • 6507 Posts
When so many people have problems that the 'towel trick' is invented, there is a problem