The Xbox One Problem

Moderators are still part of the community brehs.

There is no rule about them having to lurk in the shadows and hand out penalties from the abyss. Likewise there is no rule about moderators not being allowed to have opinions. You don't give up the whole reason you joined the site to begin with simply because you're making sure the rules are enforced. Why would a mod even want to stick around if things were like that? It's not a fucking paid job lol. So why would you continue to visit the boards if you can't even participate in the craziness?

So you're saying he should be allowed to be one of the inmates and run the asylum?

Yes sir, absolutely!

I prefer it that way tbh. One of the many things I used to dislike about posting on Gamefaqs was the shadow mods. They were far too disconnected from the community and would exercise their powers with zero discretion.

What you end up with is a bunch of people getting modded for things that shouldn't be an issue while things that should be moderated are left untouched. Might as well just have an algorithm handing out moderations.

At least here we know the mods and they know us. We all know how this board works and we all know what constitutes stepping over the line. It's an ongoing culture in the loosest sense of the word.

And really, I'd rather the mods just speak what they feel and be themselves. I don't want a robot Chaz posting here, afraid to voice his opinions and hurt the feelings of some random troll.

I see it a bit differently, now I'm not saying the mods shouldn't post, but this guy has a clear bias, and that's the problem I have with it.

I would assume such, but the sheer idea of getting a "gotcha" moment from something nearly a decade ago is desperately reaching; grasping at straws. It's sidetracking in an attempt to smear rather than give valid criticisms to points.

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Meh.

If we were posting on the I-Love-All-Things-Equally board, then sure, I'd be inclined to agree.

But you're posting on System Wars bro. This board was created specifically to funnel in all the biased assholes on Gamespot. This place was meant to be a containment chamber. And sure, it's evolved over the years, it's become more of a general game discussion board with a slightly hostile twist, but this board is still all about pitting different systems and their corresponding games against each other.

And really, system wise I don't even see Chaz as being straight up biased. Does he have his preferences? Well of course, don't we all? Even the most reasonable "unbiased" posters on this board have platforms that they lean towards, nothing wrong with that.

And besides, even if Chaz was a straight up Nintendo Nazi with a deep seeded hatred for other platforms, should that really keep him from being able to post his opinions and be a moderator? It would be one thing if he was the one making up the rules, sure, that might be a problem, but that's not the case. He's just enforcing a relatively lax set of rules, nothing more.

I just don't see the issue here.

I have to agree with you. Been around for several console generations. Maybe im just getting older and gaming is losing its luster, but this current generation blows.

Yeah and if you read the threads you linked, you would understand basic context. In the case of metagames, yeah sure whatever, gamespot reviews, it's how we do hype and flops and whatever, in the context of me arguing against Chaz whether or not a game is good or was deserving of any praise (as in deserving of its reviews), no, scores mean jack shit in that argument, because it would be a useless metric in that discussion. You want to argue it as some AAE for the PS3? be my guest, it has no bearing on my happiness. Even Chaz knows we wouldn't be using scores in conversations about a games quality. And the shooters sucking back then is not an excuse, that's the low ass bar you people use to defend really shitty video game stories. Those mechanics weren't satisfying on a basic kinesthetic level, and were far too simplistic to offset that stuff with any depth, throw in some shoddy pacing and and sloppy level design, and Uncharted 1 was more like most of those crappy shooters, it just looked pretty.

The only thing you've done is highlight the many ways you are a fool.

Matter of fact why use me, I got Chaz here for this. Chaz can you confirm please that my response to you on the shittyness of Uncharted 1, a testament to the bad taste gamers have in their own fucking medium that they apologize for garbage, is just another in a string of my stance against "truly good games don't age, shittier games were just forgiven for one reason or another", and really had nothing to do with your op to begin with.

Yeah, you've said plenty of times before that a good game is a good game, and you don't buy the entire 'good game for its time, but it aged badly' spiel. Matter of fact, that's I think one of the biggest factors/examples/whatever you use in a discussion about 3D vs 2D Zelda.

Nothing new, you've been fairly consistent about this over the years- the games you really love (RE4, Super Metroid, Ninja Gaiden Black, Demon's Souls etc) are all games that hold up, their age doesn't really bring them down.

I wouldn't say I have a bias, as much as I would say that I have opinions. This would bring me to three separate points:

• Of course I have opinions;
• My opinions never interfere with what my job is supposed to be, which is moderation of this community. Matter of fact, I am pretty sure if you went back and looked at the threads locked and posts moderated by me, I've been far harsher on pro-PlayStation/anti-Xbox posts and posters- so whatever concerns you have about my 'bias' influencing my job would be rather unfounded
• Finally, opinions themselves are changing, fluid things, as opposed to this binary constant entity that people on this board like to believe. They're a complex mish mash and aggregate of different responses to different things- there is no 'Xbox bad, PlayStation good' distinction in my mind, that kind of thing is moronic. Within the last year alone, I've given Microsoft plenty of credit for plenty of shit they've done well, and called Sony out on nonsense they have tried to pull. It also goes the other way, too- but people tend to ignore the parts that ignore the narrative that they are trying to construct, so what can I say or do there.

In the end, however, if you do have any concerns about my position and duties as a moderator being compromised by my own preferences, I urge you to get in touch with the site staff and admin and let them know.

^ Conan explained it better than I could have, tbh

No he didn't, that's just your virginity.

Pramath just rekt you fools.

@sonicare: "Maybe im just getting older and gaming is losing its luster, but this current generation blows."

I used to think that too. But it's not you getting older, it's developers/publishers are not getting the job done. I mean if I can go back and play NES/SNES//Genesis/PS1/PS2 games I originally never played before and enjoy it, then it isn't me.

Watching champ argue with tormentos is like watching Yao ming play basketball against minime

Oh please dude enough with the feet dragging,you cared about score and you even rally to change this place score system to metacritic you created a thread about it man WTF.

If you changed you mind fine you are entitle to do so as many times as you like,but what started this whole fight is the fact that you people downplay scores now because the freaking xbox one is getting bad scores,the method here use to compare games is scores and you know it and you even try to change the standard use the argument wasn't if the scores were valid or not but which source we should go by and you seem pretty inclined to change to metacritics which use multiple scores to create an average.

If you don't care about score now fine but don't pretend they are not valid now just because the console you keep defending this gen is getting bad score.

To quote Casey Wagner again mine opinion vs your opinion argument is a waste of time,you think Uncharted 1 has bad mechanics i don't think so and reviewers some how agree with me scoring it 88,which is a great score by the way,all things feel different over time,Halo Reach didn't feel like Halo CE in any way does that mean halo CE had bad mechanics.?

You can argue your opinion all you like FACT is scores is what determine quality and is what has been use for decades is not new,if you have a problem with that don't argue games like i already told you the only reason people can argue that Halo is better than Resistance is scores,if Halo would have score 60 all sites since CE it would have being forgotten it is the scores what created a high acclaim series.

And the reason no one cares about the Order but still care for Bloodborn when they came out 1 month apart.

probably...lol

Well the problem here is simple opinions mean sh** you should know it better than any one, yours is one of the most jaded and biased basically for you the only good games out there most have an xbox logo and not be on PS.

@tormentos: says the blind Sony fanboy that doesn't even own a ps4 lol

Oh i am a blind sony fanboy,but i know Halo is a good game even if it score 84, and i would never call it trash because frankly that would make me look bitter and butthurt just like you do when ever you downplay anything on PS.

I may be an extreme cow but even while being extreme i am less extreme than you who can't see anything remotely good on PS,and yes i do own one.

Has nothing to do with the Xbox sport, I barely use my Xbox. I don't argue scores when I argue games, because largely they are a number, nothing more. There is no nuance to that argument, Casey's example ignores that we follow some didactic nonsense, and there be nothing to argue, you'd argue this persons opinion means this game scored higher, and yeah I would agree my thread on wanting to change it to MC was pretty fucking shit, probably a product of what SW was like back then. So again no one argued metagame, nor did I go against anything Chaz said in the op about how Xbox franchises haven't met the critical praise they used to be, because that's a fact.

All I said was Uncharted 1 sucks, because it sucks, and sucked back then. My first trophy in that game is 2008, a year removed from its release, and I didn't exactly replay it, and I thought it sucked then.

More to it I argue gamers give too much of a shit about scores, and why this is the only medium where anything below in 8 is an indictment on the piece.

People change in 7 to 9 years, and just because we were stupid then, doesn't mean we continue to be stupid. That's a concept that's flown over your head, because you're too busy googling post because you need to believe everyone is the same brand of corporate apologist that you are.

Here's the biggest problem, the console is garbage and so are its exclusives.

Me clicking on this thread:

Pretty much, it's sad.

All opinions

Nahhh

Wait, Alt Tormentos doesn't even have a PS4? You are joking, right?

Hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...

@charizard1605: First of all, no one listens to Metacritics on this site. Everytime I've brought up Metacritics on here every Cow shuns it like the plague, so it's pretty meaningless. For me Forza Horizion 2, Forza 6 and Sunset Overdrive all lived up to their hype. All 3 are incredible and fun games. Rise of the Tomb Raider & Killer Instinct Sea 2 & 3 also met their hype. I don't define how good a game console is by whether they have games with a 90+ rating on Metacritics. That's just anal. It's the overall package. It's not just about the games. Next time you may want to just blog your opinion.

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Only in biased fanboy's eyes. Not in real gamers eyes who play multiple platforms and enjoy games for what they are. Anyone could easily say the exact same thing you said for the PC, PS4 or Wii U and it would matter.

I have never once bought a game based on a review at a website (like Gamespot for example), nor by metacritic. I buy my games based on game content, developer, videos, feedback from fellow gamers online, IP history (if any), and friends/family recommendations. If I went by review scores at metacritic, I would have missed out on playing a ton of games I love that scored poorly there and at gaming forums.

@blackace: At least @charizard1605 offered some sort of metric. Your incoherent response largely boiled down to "No u"

Aye

Ah so if I don't enjoy MS's offerings I'm a bad gamer, got it.

So the X1 is garbage and the PS4 is garbage. I guess I love garbage.

Nah, PS4 is coo'

@naughtyottsel: I agree the x1 and ps4 are cool but the in thing here is to call them flops or garbage.

Nah PS4 is cool, XBONE is trash,

@naughtyottsel: so PSTRASH. Got it. My bad.

Someone needs glasses HerrKvally

@Ross_the_Boss6 said:

Me clicking on this thread:

its OK u expect crap like this to develop after 9 pages of garbage.

As for ppl discussing the questionable threads that are made on this board, just ignore the suck ups (for example a dude writing a wall of text to defend another member for their stupidity or questionable contributions) and realize you ether get down or lay down. It's the culture here so 2 or 3 posts pointing out the obvious won't change much.

Never said it wasn't an opinion my friend.

I think the problem with the Xbox One is the fact it never really redeemed itself from the DRM controversy from way back when the console was shown off at that E3... Sure, DRM may have been stripped away before it was released, but DRM was stripped away after overwhelming amounts of criticism from the gaming community. Microsoft essentially shot themselves in the foot with that move, and even though it never became a reality the reality-check of a greedy corporation left a nasty taste in many gamers' mouths, enough to anger and outrage enough to ditch Xbox completely, and it suffices to say much of those gamers' felt betrayed, never came back.

I think the aftermath of lukewarm gaming experiences on the Xbox One also shows a deteriorating sign of interest from the developers. I think the world of game development has shifted focus on PC and Playstation, for those platforms are where much of the community resides.