There are 34 released and upcoming games exclusive to Xbox One

Yeah you missed a bunch and you included a bunch of PS4 games that arent even out yet.

Oh u are good my dude. Absolutely no offense has been taken. Mazui took it a lil further than I did with the crazy examples. I know that you know how deep these games are.

You are absolutely correct about the "casual" thing. My buddies who would whine about SF and KOF and stuff will easily play some mahvel and hit the qcf+p as many times as possible after a magic series. Shit even those easy combos make me feel good doing them lol.

Also yes I agree about people who master characters like sent, sim, anakaris etc. Even after the ridiculous execution barrier you and @mazuiface mentioned, those "oh shit that was smart" moments after witnessing disgusting throw setups with anakaris or off-the-ground combos with sent make me both interested in learning and repulsed by how much training would be required. There's a reason some pro players sweat during tourneys. They are working those stick and buttons like a musician playing a duet by themselves.

That point you make at the end there is good too. I think more games should actually be like that. League of legends is kind of like this too. It's pretty easy to get into, but its so ridiculous to learn all of the tricks the pros use and employ them in the heat of battle -- even though execution is relatively simple in that game. It's why UMVC3 and LoL are so popular compared to other games in their genre (2d fighters and MOBAs).

@bowserjr123: Why are you embarrassed? Did you green light those games?

Should anyone be embarrassed for Sony for Godzilla, the Order 1886, Knack?

Who would even buy an xbox one? It is literally only 3rd party games and halo 5

@bowserjr123: Did you or did you not say they are embarrassing?

Well if you aren't speaking of your own feelings of shame, who are you trying to feel for? I make no sense? LOL ?

My nephew and his cousins were playing Kinect sports Sunday before we took over the TV for the bowl. Point?

Wow dynamitecop has displayed here the most pathetic display of tears and butthurt I've ever seen on the internet. It beats that guy from the meme crying over people insulting Britney.

Like others already commented, not only is dynamitecop butthurt but he's possibly the most hypocritical and pathetic user in this forum. He cries over others being biased while he himself is biased like anyone with 2 eyes already noticed. He cries about people being arrogant while being extremely arrogant and keeping his head up his ass.

Really dude get some therapy. It seems to me that you have the emotional maturity of a 5 year old probably due to spending your life in your parents' basement. Go out to the world and learn how to control emotions like a real person so that you don't repeat these pathetic tantrums in the future.

By the way, this thread proves why the xbone is irrelevant for the majority of gamers.

majority of gamers huh?

the average attach rate for the PS4 is 3 games a year. at that rate the average PS4 owner has purchased 9 games. out the top 10 selling games on PS4, 9 of them are on xbox one. out of the top 30 selling games on PS4 27 of them are on xbox one. The highest attach rate game for sony is UC4 at about only 8% of PS4 owners having it. meanwhile CoD BO3 has a 25% attach rate and GTAV has a 23.5% attach rate.

So realistically speaking, the majority of PS4 owners are playing games that are also on the XB1. The majority of gamers don't take place in the silly "console wars" they buy new, cheap, and powerful and the PS4 ticked all those boxes at launch. 399 and more power is why the PS4 is selling better then the XB1 and with the online age (50% of gamers play for online MP) buying what their friends have when they upgrade makes much more sense then it did before the PS360 gen.

The idea that 1 is filled with awesome exclusives and the other one isn't is a joke. It's fanboy drivel. we are in an age of entertainment overload. no longer tied down buy a few releases, trips to video stores, VHS movies etc. now we have hulu, netflix, amazon prime streaming services. basic cable is 100+ channels, DVRs, on demand etc and more video games coming out then ever before at an alarmingly fast rate. so fast most "enthusiasts" like you'll see on forums have backlogs of unfinished games. I probably have over 30 unfinished games myself, several MP games i still play, and i have horizon zero dawn and mass effect on preorder.

Also on a side note MS has 2 exclusives in their top 10 sold and 8 or 9 in their top 30 sold, so statistically speaking, more xbox owners are actually buying and playing their exclusives then PS4 owners are doing for sony exclusives. They also have a higher attach rate. so while sony may have more exclusives in numbers, and more consoles sold, the truth is less PS4 gamers are actually buying or playing the sony exclusives compared to the XB1 owners. The numbers flat out disprove the cow logic of anything.

The PS4 is basically a COD/GTA/and Fifa machine for the majority of it's owners.

@bowserjr123: Yes, people should be allowed to assess what they are spending money on, but for the majority of gamers out there, how many of them are going to want titles like Boom Ball for Kinect, Dance Central, Kinect Sports, Beatsplosion, and Horse Racing 2016? I'm sorry, but it's a pretty embarrassing list"

Post #93, page 2 of this thread.

You clearly say the list is embarrassing. And you apologize. So again, are you embarrassed? If so, why? Or are you suggesting others are embarrassed? If so, how would you know what others feel in regards to shame? That is how you make no sense.

@darkangel115: Understood. My friend Rob buys dance central for parties at his place. But TLG didn't sell to the majority either. But for some reason that's lauded here. So then we're back to square one in which posters in SW come from a superiority complex when it comes to game libraries.

it's because fanboys move goalposts. review scores, sales, whats popular etc all depending on their agenda. For me i rarely agree with review scores. for example the last 3 game of the year winners were all multiplat. overwatch, the witcher 3, and dragon age. personally i didn't like the witcher or dragon age. but it's ok for me to say that because they are not exclusive. But if i say I don't like uncharted I'll have 100 screaming fanboys ranting at me. thats why it's pointless. people defend games just base don who makes them and they think that as individual gamers we can't have differing opinions. I can say a game like remember me which sold poorly, reviewed poorly but i really liked it personally and thats fine. but if i was to say I like recore I'm called a lem. People here embarrass themselves daily with their behavior. I like to play games i deem are good. I have a PC, PS4, and XB1 i don't care about the name on a game or console i just like good games. people can throw numbers all they want but none of it means anything to me personally. If i was to take my top 5 played games this gen. at least 3-4 are MS exclsuive. If i was to take my favorite 5 games at least 3-4 would be MS exclusive. SO for me they have better exclusives so far. That could always change for sure but owning 2 things and preferring one of them doesn't make you a fanboy but around here thats how people think sadly. half the people shit talking the platforms don't even own them. And on top of that I already proved exclusives don't really mean shit for overall sales. sure it'll sway a few million people but thats a small percent when you have 100 million next gen consoles out there. it's only a few percent

it's because fanboys move goalposts. review scores, sales, whats popular etc all depending on their agenda. For me i rarely agree with review scores. for example the last 3 game of the year winners were all multiplat. overwatch, the witcher 3, and dragon age. personally i didn't like the witcher or dragon age. but it's ok for me to say that because they are not exclusive. But if i say I don't like uncharted I'll have 100 screaming fanboys ranting at me. thats why it's pointless. people defend games just base don who makes them and they think that as individual gamers we can't have differing opinions. I can say a game like remember me which sold poorly, reviewed poorly but i really liked it personally and thats fine. but if i was to say I like recore I'm called a lem. People here embarrass themselves daily with their behavior. I like to play games i deem are good. I have a PC, PS4, and XB1 i don't care about the name on a game or console i just like good games. people can throw numbers all they want but none of it means anything to me personally. If i was to take my top 5 played games this gen. at least 3-4 are MS exclsuive. If i was to take my favorite 5 games at least 3-4 would be MS exclusive. SO for me they have better exclusives so far. That could always change for sure but owning 2 things and preferring one of them doesn't make you a fanboy but around here thats how people think sadly. half the people shit talking the platforms don't even own them. And on top of that I already proved exclusives don't really mean shit for overall sales. sure it'll sway a few million people but thats a small percent when you have 100 million next gen consoles out there. it's only a few percent

There is a very hard and complex answer to your question. It requires massive amounts of mental processing and a even greater understanding of various perspective. In order to comprehend what I am about to tell you, one must rid themselves of illogical ideology and brand loyalty. It is a concept that only a few is capable of grasping because the concept is so complex that the average SW forumer typical breaks under the pressure of this complex answer. The answer being that some gamers prefer to game on a console. Allow this inhumanely complex concept to sink in. It may take years even decades for most people on the forum to understand. Fortunately the average gamer can comprehend this overly complex idea but I understand that its a struggle for some.

majority of gamers huh?

the average attach rate for the PS4 is 3 games a year. at that rate the average PS4 owner has purchased 9 games. out the top 10 selling games on PS4, 9 of them are on xbox one. out of the top 30 selling games on PS4 27 of them are on xbox one. The highest attach rate game for sony is UC4 at about only 8% of PS4 owners having it. meanwhile CoD BO3 has a 25% attach rate and GTAV has a 23.5% attach rate.

So realistically speaking, the majority of PS4 owners are playing games that are also on the XB1. The majority of gamers don't take place in the silly "console wars" they buy new, cheap, and powerful and the PS4 ticked all those boxes at launch. 399 and more power is why the PS4 is selling better then the XB1 and with the online age (50% of gamers play for online MP) buying what their friends have when they upgrade makes much more sense then it did before the PS360 gen.

The idea that 1 is filled with awesome exclusives and the other one isn't is a joke. It's fanboy drivel. we are in an age of entertainment overload. no longer tied down buy a few releases, trips to video stores, VHS movies etc. now we have hulu, netflix, amazon prime streaming services. basic cable is 100+ channels, DVRs, on demand etc and more video games coming out then ever before at an alarmingly fast rate. so fast most "enthusiasts" like you'll see on forums have backlogs of unfinished games. I probably have over 30 unfinished games myself, several MP games i still play, and i have horizon zero dawn and mass effect on preorder.

Also on a side note MS has 2 exclusives in their top 10 sold and 8 or 9 in their top 30 sold, so statistically speaking, more xbox owners are actually buying and playing their exclusives then PS4 owners are doing for sony exclusives. They also have a higher attach rate. so while sony may have more exclusives in numbers, and more consoles sold, the truth is less PS4 gamers are actually buying or playing the sony exclusives compared to the XB1 owners. The numbers flat out disprove the cow logic of anything.

The PS4 is basically a COD/GTA/and Fifa machine for the majority of it's owners.

Still satisfied with my Xbox One.Considering getting a PS4 Pro sometime in the future.

@darkangel115: More butthurt lemming talk hahahahahaha?

Is what you'll get. Your breakdown above is a truly epic post exposing so much of the BS from all sides here.

Entertainment is subjective because no ONE thing will entertain every person.

Care to back any of that up? Where are you getting the attach rates, top game sellers, etc? Do you have anything that's not VGChartz? One thing I know is wrong is your claim that Uncharted 4 has about an 8% attach rate. It's sold through 8.7 million copies and the PS4 has sold through 53.4 million consoles, making it closer to 16%.

Additionally, why must a game be a top seller to matter? Why can there not be a wide array of exclusives that a wide array of gamers use to tip the scales on what system they will buy even if they don't cluster around just 2 or 3? How would a game that's on both systems make a person choose one over the other? The people that just buy the most popular could just as easily be choosing the ones their more enthusiast friends bought early for the exclusives it had and more to come without the less enthusiastic gamers actually caring about the exclusives themselves. This would mean the exclusives still mattered, just indirectly, and it wouldn't necessarily show as exclusive sales.

That entirely depends on your personal situation, I know this is a shit bait thread but I'll bite because frankly I'm fed up.

Do you have kids? A girlfriend? Friends? Co-workers? Do you have a social life of any kind involving other human beings who play video games? Yep, they're all likely to be console gamers. Do you want to play games on 4K TV, watch 4K BluRays? Do you want the options of deciding whether to play on your console or your PC? Do you want a cheap alternative fueled by the want for a different experience? Do you want cheap simplicity in your entertainment center to encompass everything you need out of your TV experience...

This could go on, there's plenty of reasons... There's only a lack of reasons if you're a fanboy fuckhead idiot. I've been gaming on PC for over 25 years, but I still like to sit my ass down on my couch in the quiet and play games on a console, regardless of what anyone says it's a completely different experience from the ground up, a different feeling, you're aware of this and it invokes a different cognitive response in you.

I'm about fucking done with this shit hole, you morons try the same rinse and repeat garbage threads and posts every single day to validate your personified bullshit.

I wish for once some of you could just be real human beings, just for one day, real responses and reactions instead of internet fueled agenda that doesn't actually line up with anything you believe outside of this bubble of idiocy.

Just say it, "I'm a fanboy and a cuck to the PlayStation 4", that's the eventuality this is leading up to anyway. You don't want to discuss anything, you don't want a logical conversation, you want internet reinforcement for the fight you're trying to start, it's pathetic.

Thanks for the updated numbers. Still close to 1.4 mil of those were the 299 bundle during the holiday. Not to say MS doesn't do the same. the halo bundle sure upped it's sales of halo as well. but bundles do effect numbers. for example kinect adventures sold 24 million last gen because it came with every kinect giving it a 30% attach rate. But I'm digressing here. UC4 obviously sold very well regardless but it doesn't explain 53million in sales. that was the point.

And a game doesn't need to be a top seller to matter. that was also my point. and no someone buying a system cause their friend has it who brought it for exclusives doesn't mean exclusives played any decision in that persons buying the system. it was following their friends which i also listed as a factor.

My main point was, on an overall basis, exclusives is pretty low on the list of reasons the majority of people buy a system. That is probably not true for the people here. I have both just so I don't miss out on exclusives that I want to play. but I'm in the minority as are most people here. Games like CoD, GTA, Fallout, BF, Sports games is what a majority of people play. Even GOTY and high metacritic score the witcher 3 only sold a few million copies. Nothing in comparison to the CoD, BF, and GTA numbers.

NyaDC, you've had your share of hysterical meltdowns, but you really outdid yourself there.

Good riddance, you won't be missed.

But you haven't actually provided any information to support your point. What are these top sellers? Just because a majority doesn't rally around a particular exclusive, that doesn't make it less of a factor for the ones that chose the console because of that exclusive. And you can't just ignore the secondary effect. If a person picks up a PS4 for Uncharted, then later a friend of theirs picks up a PS4 to play COD with him, Uncharted is the reason these two consoles were sold. If that first person had wanted Halo instead, there would've been 2 Xbox One sales instead. The exclusive was still the deciding factor. This also ignores some that bought it for an exclusive yet to release (like Gran Turismo, which has a pretty solid fanbase). Attach rated also doesn't show the actual percentage of the customers that own any exclusive, just the percentage that own each particular exclusive.

You also neglected to show what other factors were more signicant and how you arrived at that conclusion.

I'd recommend a normal Ps4. You can easily find a bundle for around 150 dollars less than the pro, and the Pro hasnt really done too much to justify the extra cash yet.

it wasn't relevant to the convo. this convo was about exclusives. I pointed out that sony has 3 exclusives in their top 30 selling games. I pointed out the attach rate meaning the average PS4 owners has 9-10 games they've purchased. so statistically on average the average PS4 owner has maybe 1 exclsuive game. So spending 400 bucks for the average consumer to play 1 game is statistically impossible. Power and price point are the biggest sellers for consoles. look at last gen. the Wii took over with the low price point and the motion control craze that died off. the 360 was outselling the PS3 although they finished around the same but a large reason wasn't halo or gears it was the lower price point and the better running multiplat games.

Also in your example that sale wouldn't be because exclusives. that CoD player is likely to not buy any exclusives so you say exclusives sold a system to someone that owns none?

It's simple math and numbers. It's clear that exclusives don't sell consoles. When both companies are making more of them then the average gamer buys in total games a year it doesn't matter anymore.

To make a more basic example, lets say a 2 companies. 1 company makes exclusively potato bread, but also white bread. They are company A. Company B makes white bread as well, but exclusively makes wheat bread as well and rye bread, and squaw bread. You can say company B has more choices of bread making it better, but in reality 90% of shoppers are just buying white bread anyway and maybe a few % prefer the potato bread. Sure a few % of people will also buy the rye, wheat or squaw, but it's statistically irreverent when 90% of people are buying the white bread anyway. Now say company B's white bread is a dollar cheaper and has 10 more slices compared to company A. most people will go buy Company B white bread because it's cheaper and you get more. That's how consumerism works. In reality most people choose price over quality hence the "store brand" items selling very well with no advertising just because it's cheaper.

Yes, since COD is on both systems, it wasn't the factor that pushed the PS4 purchase, it just eliminated the Wii U. What decided it was the person's friend, and their desire for the exclusive is what made then pick the PS4 and then caused the secondary purchase. If you push a boulder off the top of a hill, you are still responsible for what it hits at the bottom even though you only pushed it a few feet and gravity took it from there.

The PS3 regularly outsold the Xbox 360 works wide when both were on the market, regardless of the 360 almost always having a cheaper option. Don't forget, the 360 already had 8-10 million consoles sold by the time the PS3 launched. The last 2 months of 2016 also had cheaper deals for the Xbox One in the US yet the PS4 sold more. How does thus support price as a larger factor?

As far as statistics, that deals with numbers, something you have yet to produce. What are the top sellers and how many copies have been sold? How many exclusive games have been sold? Why can't a person choose one console over another because of one game? If given the rest of the games are shared between systems they are considering, why can that one game not tip the scale?

majority of gamers huh?

the average attach rate for the PS4 is 3 games a year. at that rate the average PS4 owner has purchased 9 games. out the top 10 selling games on PS4, 9 of them are on xbox one. out of the top 30 selling games on PS4 27 of them are on xbox one. The highest attach rate game for sony is UC4 at about only 8% of PS4 owners having it. meanwhile CoD BO3 has a 25% attach rate and GTAV has a 23.5% attach rate.

Well said. I can relate to not agreeing with reviews. The Witcher 3 and Uncharted 4 are my most recent in which I strongly disagree with the bullshit score. But too each their own. :)

no that's an asinine assessment. a purchase to play with your friend, isn't tied to that friend buying it for exclusives. because 1st off it would be impossible to know the amount of people that purchased it to play with friends. 2ndly it's a 50/50 split with people who play online so half the people purchasing a PS4 or XB1 for that matter so take away half the sales possible because playing with friends. Throw in the fact that nintendo wii u which sells pretty much only for it's exclusives failed it lends to the theory that exclusives =/= sales. Nintendo failed with the Wii U because it didn't have games like fifa, madden, CoD, BF, GTA etc. It makes it a non option for most gamers. Your chain theory is iffy at best. If i buy nike shoes because i like them and my friend buys them to copy me it wasn't because they liked nike better. You cold also make the same argument both ways and since the XB1 has more exclusives in their top selling games you could argue that exclusives sold more xbox's then it sold PS4s. matter of fact not only can you argue it, you would be correct. Any way you look at it, the XB1 has more users buying their exclusives then the PS4 does. So if you make an argument that the PS4 has more exclusives or better one's all it does is cement the fact that exclusives don't sell systems as much as people here want to believe they do.

and no the PS3 didn't outsell both when they were on the market. it wasn't until sony made a hardware revision and lowered the price that the PS3 caught up. The 360 slaughtered it in the US, and was pretty close to it in EU which is normally sony land. this gen they are about even in the US but sony is destroying it in EU. the 2 markets where price plays a big factor as well as power. The rest of the world will always be sony land. Outside of those 2 markets the rest are loyal to sony. Those are the swing buyers concerned with price and power that do research.

As far as stats go, obviously I'm using vgchartz and while it may not be 100% accurate it's close enough to make broad statements.

Exactly how the fu** is almost 9 million units 8% of the entire user base.?

The PS4 sold to consumer 54 million -16% is 45,360,000 that = 8,640,000 lower than what Uncharted sold which was 8.7 millions.

So your 8% is completely pull from deep deep down your ass..

8% of 54 million is not 8.7 millions.

8% out of 100 millions is 8 millions,sony sold 54 million there is no way in hell that math of yours make any freaking sense.

% mean shit when Uncharted 4 surely outsold Halo 5 while not having even a year on the market yet.

Multiplatforms always sell better on xbox and PS,but that doesn't mean exclusives don't matter specially since the xbox one has few.

Yes lemming this gen in particular have problems with scores last gen when Halo,forza and gears were busy getting high 9's there was no complains..lol

@Pedro said:

Yes he owned him so hard specially with that fu** up math that claim uncharted sold 8% of the PS4 user base since when in hell 8.7 million is 8% out of 54 million users..

And this is what i was referring to when you quote on the other thread if you will not say anything to your fellow lemmings and assume everything they do is good don't go bothering other.

You are a lemming and his math is a fu** up as hes arguments..

8.7 million 8% of 54 millions..ahahahaahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

No, an asinine assessment would be saying COD had more weight in deciding between an Xbox One or a PS4. Your Nike example only proves my point. Your friend that copies you isn't making the choice for himself, they are relying on your choice, not their own. They aren't buying it for price, quality or design, but solely because you did. This isn't that complicated. Both sales are a result of whatever drew you to the Nike shoes. If they didn't have that appeal to you, you wouldn't have bought them and your friend wouldn't have bought them to copy you. This is also, not a chain. One single link does not a chain make.

But if you want to go for intentions and not being able to say how many people purchased to play with friends, that can also go against your theory. Just because a game sold a lot, it doesn't mean they all bought the console for that game. I own, and I'm sure everyone owns, some games that had no bearing on my choice of console.

You also act like there can only be one major reason. That if there's one factor, every other must be minor. That's simply unprovable and nonsensical. I would say the only reason the Wii U sold what it did (outside of the religious fanboys that buy anything Nintendo) is its exclusives. And much as I said earlier, COD and the like are not a factor between the Xbox One and PS4, but merely eliminate the Wii U.

And, oh yeah, LOL VGChartz. It is definitely NOT a valid source any more than the numbers you pulled out of your ass. BTW, that second link I posted above also showed the total software sales of 409.1 million or a 7.51 attach rate, not the 9 you've been using.

Because people around here are arrogant, they think everything they're rooting for is a shoe in, they don't make actual predictions or think they're in any way wrong about something. They assert absolutes before a situation has drawn itself to its conclusion, something only stupid people do.

I take a step back, look at something that has still yet to solidify itself and tell people to cool their fucking jets, it's not over yet, it might not go as you would like. Donald Trump becoming president is the ultimate example of this taking place on a global scale, the liberals were so arrogantly sure, so much so to where even the thought of him being the next president was just laughable, well who's laughing now?

I don't assume to know things that are unknowable, I don't infer what has yet to take place as something set in stone, things change in the blink of an eye and it's all fun and games for these people when they're right to fuel their bullshit, but the second they're wrong they fade away like a fart in the wind avoiding it at all costs, there's zero accountability, continuity to what they say and absolutely no integrity from them when the other side of the coin turns.

Your problem is that you're a feeble minded simpleton like most everyone else around here, you're not a big picture thinker, you don't logically think of why someone would say that something could still fall below a 90 on Metacritic when it only has 1/5 of its reviews handed in. A logical person would agree, this game only has 20% of its reviews turned in, in the face of everyone hailing it as the second coming of Christ, it could still go the other direction.

You may think that I am as bad as these people, but you'd be wrong and there's a big difference. I approach situations from a standoffish position, a point of being unsure, there may be speculation but it never leaves that position. I am a person who owns and plays everything I discuss, I have the means to assess what is being used and/or talked about because again, I own it, mostly none of these people do. They are one system bandwagoners lacking integrity riding a wave of popularity, if the shoe moves to the other foot they will jump ship just to be on top no matter where that is.

@darkangel115: Once you post or use VGChart on SW the conversation becomes LOL! Ask @charizard1605

I didn't say CoD had more weight. see you already know you are wrong when you put words in my mouth. Not to mention you've failed to make an argument. I estimated 3 games a year so it's even less? that just further proves my point. if the average PS4 owner has 7.5 games currently and only 3 exclusives exist in the top 30 selling games it isn't exclusives moving the machine. What i said was power and price point and brand loyalty. those are the 3 main reasons.

1) Sony has a ton of loyal fans that will buy every PS regardless. much more then MS or Nintendo has

2) It has the best multiplats hence best versions of GTA, CoD, BF etc (not to mention the destiny marketing that was huge)

3) And it was 100 dollars cheaper then the BX1 at launch

4) now throw in the late buyers that want to play CoD with their friends, they are gonna get a PS as well because their friends got one

See the problem with your chain theory is it still works both ways. the "average" gamer theory applies to all systems. If you look at which system has the highest % of owners buying exclusives its 1) nintendo, 2) XB1, 3) PS4 so the systems selling more exclusives are selling less as a whole. the reason being is the average gamer doesn't care about exclusives. The numbers don't lie. look at Fifa. in the NA region nobody really cares about it. in the EU region everyone loves it. Fifa has 3 games in the top 10 selling on PS4 and 0 in the top 10 on XB1. that's because nobody in EU really purchased an XB1. Sony is dominating there.

You can look at why the Wii U failed so hard, the reason was lack of 3rd party support. 3rd party is more important now then it has been in the past. Remember the days of people complaining about the 360 buying marketing rights to CoD and now sony does it too. MS and Sony are smart and know what sells systems. games like sunset overdrive, the order, until dawn, recore etc aren't selling systems.

But to the point of the topic, if the average PS4 owner has 7.5 games and the PS4 has 500 games that aren't on xbox (according to wikipedia) and XB1 has 160 (according to wikipedia) and you would assume the Xb1 has a similar attach rate cause law of averages. then 99% of these games really aren't even getting purchased. there si clearly more then enough options on both sides to cover the 2-3 games the average gamer buys a year. People like me that own around 50+ games this gen so far (not including free ones) are in the minority

The exclusives not being in the top ten doesn't prove they don't move systems. All it proves is the other games have a broader appeal. And if you aren't claiming the multiplatform games are selling the systems, then why are they even relevant at all to this discussion? If you want to know the impact of exclusives, you need to know the sales of excludes, not everything else. You also need to know the distribution of those sales. You erroneously looked at the sales total for the top ten and just assumed an even distribution. This is not the case. For example, there will be customers that buy multiple iterations of a game like COD or FIFA. You also assumed that a higher percentage of Xbox owners bought the exclusives based on the top ten or so, forgetting that there are many more exclusives on PS4. Care to total them all up? There is also no part of the law of averages that states every game system has the same attach rate, yet another baseless assumption.

See you missed the point. if an exclusive can't even crack the top 30 games sold on a console and on average each PS4 owner has 7.5 games, logic clearly dictates that exclusives aren't moving the system. If you wanted a true number, add up all the sales of every exclusive, then take that and find what what % of games sold on PS4 are exclsuive. now take that % (lets say it's 5% for shits and giggles but it's probably much less) and the 7.5 average games per PS4 owner that means the average PS4 owner would own .375 exclusives. So to round it off on average 67% don't own an exclsuive. now thats on average. obviously there are many people like myself that own multiple exclusives. So the max amount of PS4 owners that could own an exclusive is only 33% but it goes down for the amount of people that own multiple ones. Realistically speaking there is a good educated chance that 80% of PS4 owners don't own any exclusives. If exclusives were really moving these consoles you'd see a much higher ownership.

See the thing is numbers don't lie. and you haven't done anything to prove your theory that exclusives are selling these consoles.

What logic? How is it logical to think a person that bought the console for its exclusives can't also buy multiplats? Can you please stop pulling numbers out of your ass? If you don't know the numbers, don't just make them up like VGChartz. Even with your fictional starting point of 5% (Uncharted 4 alone sold over 8.7 million), that's a potential 20+ million possible exclusive driven console sales. That's not insignificant. If it's actually 10%, that's over 40 million, potentially. But a sale of a game is not actual evidence of the persons reasons(s) in choosing a particular console.

And, no, I don't have to prove anything. You are the one that made the claim that exclusives don't sell systems, so it's on you to prove yours. But just for fun, the PS2 had more good exclusives than the Xbox and outsold it soundly. The PS3 had more good exclusives than the Xbox 360 and sold at a faster rate (so even if you don't believe the reports that the PS3 passed the 360, getting within 1-2 million in a year less is still a faster rate), though the Wii did catch lightning in a bottle and brought in a large audience that were not traditionally console gamers - I'm just not sure off-hand of the Wii's good exclusive numbers. PS4 has more good exclusives than the Xbox One and not only is it outselling it, after MS started sharing their exclusives near the end of 2015, they sold fewer Xbox consoles in 2016 than they did in 2015. And before you bring up price, remember, the 360 always had a cheaper option than PS3, the Xbox One had it's Kinect separated from the package within a year bringing price parity and even in the last holiday season even had cheaper deals; none of which helped the Xbox outsell its respective PS counterpart worldwide.

because you are acting like a blind fanboy. The point was simple. the PS4 has the lowest attach rate of exclusives sold of any system.

On top of that. the XB1 despite the launch of the PS4 Pro outsold the the PS4 family for the final 6 months in the NA region (which is what NPD tracks) that's the 1st time all gen it's done that. hell it took them years to even win a month let along like 4 in a row like they did. So the sales are trending up for the XB1 not down.

I already stated worldwide sony will always win. outside of NA and EU nobody buys an xbox. it's loyal sony land. hell in japan 90% of gamers don't even know what an xbox is lol. EU is kinda highly loyal to sony as well but like we seen in the PS360gen if sony really screws up it can swing a lot of them over to xbox. NA is always more balanced. NA is where the people are less brand loyal and do more research.

Again sony's sucess is based off brandy loyalty, price point, and power. Exclusives aren't the reason or they would be selling much more then they did. the numbers don't lie. Only blind fanboys like you who argue against everything logical i say but can't form a valid debate over your "side of it"

LOL, I'm the blind fanboy? I'm not the one making up numbers to try to back up MS's decision to no longer make exclusive games for their console. Everything I use is verifiable fact. MS stated in their last earnings report that they sold fewer Xbox consoles last year than the year before. Don't had the lowest attach rate for exclusives? Prove it. Xbox is heavily slanted towards US sales and their exclusives are slanted towards US tastes. Therefore it makes sense when a couple get more sales. Sony has a works wide appeal with a wider range of exclusives all serving different tastes, do it makes sense if the sales are sorry out more among more exclusives. NPD only covers the US. So it won there a few months (plus a couple in Australia and UK). So what? This is a global business. And brand loyalty will only get you so far. Look at Vita, or Sega.

sega never had much brand loyalty. the sony fans aren't handheld fans. PlayStation consoles have lots of brand loyalty. The XB1 came out weaker, more expensive, had a kinect bundled which many didn't want, and had a disastrous reveal because of the overreaction of the word DRM and their online only approach . the PS4 was cheaper, more power powerful and didn't have any DRM or TV stuff. they just focused on games. the combination of all that swung alot of swing buyers. That mixed with brand loyalty made a huge difference. That's your sales gap right there.

There is literally 0 proof that exclusives are selling consoles. all the numbers state otherwise. Nintendo the one console that is mostly exclusives had the worst sales this gen. You have a theory that the exclusives are the reason the PS4 is selling but have failed to offer up any proof other then tin foil hat theory.

Also I'm not making up numbers and I could care less about MS exclusives going to PC. I think it's a good thing because I'm not a fanboy who wants to argue list wars. I'm just making logical explanations of things

and yes i have an xb1 as well. The only thing I don't have is a Wii U