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LOL, I'm the blind fanboy? I'm not the one making up numbers to try to back up MS's decision to no longer make exclusive games for their console. Everything I use is verifiable fact. MS stated in their last earnings report that they sold fewer Xbox consoles last year than the year before. Don't had the lowest attach rate for exclusives? Prove it. Xbox is heavily slanted towards US sales and their exclusives are slanted towards US tastes. Therefore it makes sense when a couple get more sales. Sony has a works wide appeal with a wider range of exclusives all serving different tastes, do it makes sense if the sales are sorry out more among more exclusives. NPD only covers the US. So it won there a few months (plus a couple in Australia and UK). So what? This is a global business. And brand loyalty will only get you so far. Look at Vita, or Sega.

sega never had much brand loyalty. the sony fans aren't handheld fans. PlayStation consoles have lots of brand loyalty. The XB1 came out weaker, more expensive, had a kinect bundled which many didn't want, and had a disastrous reveal because of the overreaction of the word DRM and their online only approach . the PS4 was cheaper, more power powerful and didn't have any DRM or TV stuff. they just focused on games. the combination of all that swung alot of swing buyers. That mixed with brand loyalty made a huge difference. That's your sales gap right there.

There is literally 0 proof that exclusives are selling consoles. all the numbers state otherwise. Nintendo the one console that is mostly exclusives had the worst sales this gen. You have a theory that the exclusives are the reason the PS4 is selling but have failed to offer up any proof other then tin foil hat theory.

Also I'm not making up numbers and I could care less about MS exclusives going to PC. I think it's a good thing because I'm not a fanboy who wants to argue list wars. I'm just making logical explanations of things

and yes i have an xb1 as well. The only thing I don't have is a Wii U

Sega had nearly as big of a fanbase as Nintendo and even still has fans now. Sony's PSP sold roughly 80 million units to whom, then? The Xbox One fixed those issues in less than a year, a third of the gen so far, and the PS4 did not gain a 25ish million lead in that year. The gap had only expanded since that first year. I also never claimed that exclusives were the only thing that sold consiked.

Again, you are the one who claimed that exclusives don't sell consoles, so the onus is on you. You have not provided any proof of this. You made up the 9 attach rate the mystery lowest exclusive attach rate and cited VGChartz's made up numbers.

Sega didn't nearly have the fan base of nintendo. not even close. the PSP did sell alot sure but the issue with handhelds is alot of people moved onto tablets and phone games. The days of portable systems are pretty much dead. only it's big in japan but the 3DS is popular there and eating up all the sales. back in the PSP days there wasn't tablet and phone gaming like there is today. Also the gap has pretty much always been 2>1 since launch. still is give or take

I already proved my point. sorry if there isn't a better source the VGchartz but any gamer can clearly see what the top selling games are. Why do you think sony and MS buy marketing rights to games like destiny, CoD, battlefield etc. those games move consoles. You think Sony and MS are dumb? It's business 101. Also my 9 attahch rate i said was an estimate. since the actual one of 7.5 you provided is lower that only further proves my point. We all know nintendo gets almost no 3rd party support and has had tons of high scoring exclusives yet the Wii U failed in sales.

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@asylumni said:

Sega had nearly as big of a fanbase as Nintendo and even still has fans now. Sony's PSP sold roughly 80 million units to whom, then? The Xbox One fixed those issues in less than a year, a third of the gen so far, and the PS4 did not gain a 25ish million lead in that year. The gap had only expanded since that first year. I also never claimed that exclusives were the only thing that sold consiked.

Again, you are the one who claimed that exclusives don't sell consoles, so the onus is on you. You have not provided any proof of this. You made up the 9 attach rate the mystery lowest exclusive attach rate and cited VGChartz's made up numbers.

Sega didn't nearly have the fan base of nintendo. not even close. the PSP did sell alot sure but the issue with handhelds is alot of people moved onto tablets and phone games. The days of portable systems are pretty much dead. only it's big in japan but the 3DS is popular there and eating up all the sales. back in the PSP days there wasn't tablet and phone gaming like there is today. Also the gap has pretty much always been 2>1 since launch. still is give or take

I already proved my point. sorry if there isn't a better source the VGchartz but any gamer can clearly see what the top selling games are. Why do you think sony and MS buy marketing rights to games like destiny, CoD, battlefield etc. those games move consoles. You think Sony and MS are dumb? It's business 101. Also my 9 attahch rate i said was an estimate. since the actual one of 7.5 you provided is lower that only further proves my point. We all know nintendo gets almost no 3rd party support and has had tons of high scoring exclusives yet the Wii U failed in sales.

So Sony has a huge legion of fans that will but anything from them, until they don't. LOL. 2:1 is not a gap, it's a ratio, and the gap between 10 million and 5 million is much smaller than the gap between 54 million and 26 million. The gap is getting larger. Why do you think Sony invests in exclusive titles, especially ones that probably won't sell like crazy, if they wont sell consoles? Why did MS for 2 gens? Do YOU think they are stupid?

The Wii U has more working against it than the exclusives could overcome, that doesn't mean exclusives do nothing. Why else did the Wii U sell as many as it did without power, 3rd party or price advantage?

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@asylumni said:
@darkangel115 said:
@asylumni said:

Sega had nearly as big of a fanbase as Nintendo and even still has fans now. Sony's PSP sold roughly 80 million units to whom, then? The Xbox One fixed those issues in less than a year, a third of the gen so far, and the PS4 did not gain a 25ish million lead in that year. The gap had only expanded since that first year. I also never claimed that exclusives were the only thing that sold consiked.

Again, you are the one who claimed that exclusives don't sell consoles, so the onus is on you. You have not provided any proof of this. You made up the 9 attach rate the mystery lowest exclusive attach rate and cited VGChartz's made up numbers.

Sega didn't nearly have the fan base of nintendo. not even close. the PSP did sell alot sure but the issue with handhelds is alot of people moved onto tablets and phone games. The days of portable systems are pretty much dead. only it's big in japan but the 3DS is popular there and eating up all the sales. back in the PSP days there wasn't tablet and phone gaming like there is today. Also the gap has pretty much always been 2>1 since launch. still is give or take

I already proved my point. sorry if there isn't a better source the VGchartz but any gamer can clearly see what the top selling games are. Why do you think sony and MS buy marketing rights to games like destiny, CoD, battlefield etc. those games move consoles. You think Sony and MS are dumb? It's business 101. Also my 9 attahch rate i said was an estimate. since the actual one of 7.5 you provided is lower that only further proves my point. We all know nintendo gets almost no 3rd party support and has had tons of high scoring exclusives yet the Wii U failed in sales.

So Sony has a huge legion of fans that will but anything from them, until they don't. LOL. 2:1 is not a gap, it's a ratio, and the gap between 10 million and 5 million is much smaller than the gap between 54 million and 26 million. The gap is getting larger. Why do you think Sony invests in exclusive titles, especially ones that probably won't sell like crazy, if they wont sell consoles? Why did MS for 2 gens? Do YOU think they are stupid?

The Wii U has more working against it than the exclusives could overcome, that doesn't mean exclusives do nothing. Why else did the Wii U sell as many as it did without power, 3rd party or price advantage?

it's a ratio duh. the gap is gonna be wider at higher numbers obviously. but selling 2>1 is the same. there are double the PS4s sold. it's simple they are outselling the XB1 at the same rate it always has. that was the point. It literally feels like you are trolling because nobody could be this dense for this long. it's literally impossible to be as stupid as you are acting currently. So I'm over this conversation with you. If another poster who actually can understand facts wants to discuss I will, but I'm not wasting anymore time on you. I explained it in a way a 2 year old could understand. if you still don't get it, that's on you.

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@dynamitecop said:

The Xbox One exists outside the bounds of specific console exclusivity now, it's a platform as a whole encompassing both itself and the Windows 10 PC as a unified construct.

Lists like this are completely irrelevant now.

so is there a reason to own an xbox one if you own a gaming PC?

Yes, especially when most of the UWP PC games will most likely end up on the Scorpio in the future. Most of the XB1 games play better on the XB1 then the PC. If you own an XB1 and a PS4, there's no reason to build a gaming PC. Most of my friends prefer playing on game consoles then the PC. I only know a couple people who play PC games as much as console games.

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@asylumni said:
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Sega didn't nearly have the fan base of nintendo. not even close. the PSP did sell alot sure but the issue with handhelds is alot of people moved onto tablets and phone games. The days of portable systems are pretty much dead. only it's big in japan but the 3DS is popular there and eating up all the sales. back in the PSP days there wasn't tablet and phone gaming like there is today. Also the gap has pretty much always been 2>1 since launch. still is give or take

I already proved my point. sorry if there isn't a better source the VGchartz but any gamer can clearly see what the top selling games are. Why do you think sony and MS buy marketing rights to games like destiny, CoD, battlefield etc. those games move consoles. You think Sony and MS are dumb? It's business 101. Also my 9 attahch rate i said was an estimate. since the actual one of 7.5 you provided is lower that only further proves my point. We all know nintendo gets almost no 3rd party support and has had tons of high scoring exclusives yet the Wii U failed in sales.

So Sony has a huge legion of fans that will but anything from them, until they don't. LOL. 2:1 is not a gap, it's a ratio, and the gap between 10 million and 5 million is much smaller than the gap between 54 million and 26 million. The gap is getting larger. Why do you think Sony invests in exclusive titles, especially ones that probably won't sell like crazy, if they wont sell consoles? Why did MS for 2 gens? Do YOU think they are stupid?

The Wii U has more working against it than the exclusives could overcome, that doesn't mean exclusives do nothing. Why else did the Wii U sell as many as it did without power, 3rd party or price advantage?

it's a ratio duh. the gap is gonna be wider at higher numbers obviously. but selling 2>1 is the same. there are double the PS4s sold. it's simple they are outselling the XB1 at the same rate it always has. that was the point. It literally feels like you are trolling because nobody could be this dense for this long. it's literally impossible to be as stupid as you are acting currently. So I'm over this conversation with you. If another poster who actually can understand facts wants to discuss I will, but I'm not wasting anymore time on you. I explained it in a way a 2 year old could understand. if you still don't get it, that's on you.

It's a ratio you called a gap and one you said stayed the same since launch. I can only go by what you type, not what you think. (And you still typed it "2 greater than 1" not "2 to 1".) But here's the problem in your own words, 'I explained it in a way a 2 year old could understand" Perhaps when discussing something with an adult, you should no use a 2 year old's logic. In an adult conversation, when every supporting fact or figure is proven wrong or is widely known as wrong (ie. VGChartz), then you have no argument. You lack any real data to support your theory.

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@asylumni said:
@darkangel115 said:
@asylumni said:
@darkangel115 said:

Sega didn't nearly have the fan base of nintendo. not even close. the PSP did sell alot sure but the issue with handhelds is alot of people moved onto tablets and phone games. The days of portable systems are pretty much dead. only it's big in japan but the 3DS is popular there and eating up all the sales. back in the PSP days there wasn't tablet and phone gaming like there is today. Also the gap has pretty much always been 2>1 since launch. still is give or take

I already proved my point. sorry if there isn't a better source the VGchartz but any gamer can clearly see what the top selling games are. Why do you think sony and MS buy marketing rights to games like destiny, CoD, battlefield etc. those games move consoles. You think Sony and MS are dumb? It's business 101. Also my 9 attahch rate i said was an estimate. since the actual one of 7.5 you provided is lower that only further proves my point. We all know nintendo gets almost no 3rd party support and has had tons of high scoring exclusives yet the Wii U failed in sales.

So Sony has a huge legion of fans that will but anything from them, until they don't. LOL. 2:1 is not a gap, it's a ratio, and the gap between 10 million and 5 million is much smaller than the gap between 54 million and 26 million. The gap is getting larger. Why do you think Sony invests in exclusive titles, especially ones that probably won't sell like crazy, if they wont sell consoles? Why did MS for 2 gens? Do YOU think they are stupid?

The Wii U has more working against it than the exclusives could overcome, that doesn't mean exclusives do nothing. Why else did the Wii U sell as many as it did without power, 3rd party or price advantage?

it's a ratio duh. the gap is gonna be wider at higher numbers obviously. but selling 2>1 is the same. there are double the PS4s sold. it's simple they are outselling the XB1 at the same rate it always has. that was the point. It literally feels like you are trolling because nobody could be this dense for this long. it's literally impossible to be as stupid as you are acting currently. So I'm over this conversation with you. If another poster who actually can understand facts wants to discuss I will, but I'm not wasting anymore time on you. I explained it in a way a 2 year old could understand. if you still don't get it, that's on you.

It's a ratio you called a gap and one you said stayed the same since launch. I can only go by what you type, not what you think. (And you still typed it "2 greater than 1" not "2 to 1".) But here's the problem in your own words, 'I explained it in a way a 2 year old could understand" Perhaps when discussing something with an adult, you should no use a 2 year old's logic. In an adult conversation, when every supporting fact or figure is proven wrong or is widely known as wrong (ie. VGChartz), then you have no argument. You lack any real data to support your theory.

Dude you lack a counter point. I'm saying the sky is blue look up and see for yourself but your busy staring at the grass telling me I'm wrong

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@darkangel115 said:
@asylumni said:
@darkangel115 said:
@asylumni said:

So Sony has a huge legion of fans that will but anything from them, until they don't. LOL. 2:1 is not a gap, it's a ratio, and the gap between 10 million and 5 million is much smaller than the gap between 54 million and 26 million. The gap is getting larger. Why do you think Sony invests in exclusive titles, especially ones that probably won't sell like crazy, if they wont sell consoles? Why did MS for 2 gens? Do YOU think they are stupid?

The Wii U has more working against it than the exclusives could overcome, that doesn't mean exclusives do nothing. Why else did the Wii U sell as many as it did without power, 3rd party or price advantage?

it's a ratio duh. the gap is gonna be wider at higher numbers obviously. but selling 2>1 is the same. there are double the PS4s sold. it's simple they are outselling the XB1 at the same rate it always has. that was the point. It literally feels like you are trolling because nobody could be this dense for this long. it's literally impossible to be as stupid as you are acting currently. So I'm over this conversation with you. If another poster who actually can understand facts wants to discuss I will, but I'm not wasting anymore time on you. I explained it in a way a 2 year old could understand. if you still don't get it, that's on you.

It's a ratio you called a gap and one you said stayed the same since launch. I can only go by what you type, not what you think. (And you still typed it "2 greater than 1" not "2 to 1".) But here's the problem in your own words, 'I explained it in a way a 2 year old could understand" Perhaps when discussing something with an adult, you should no use a 2 year old's logic. In an adult conversation, when every supporting fact or figure is proven wrong or is widely known as wrong (ie. VGChartz), then you have no argument. You lack any real data to support your theory.

Dude you lack a counter point. I'm saying the sky is blue look up and see for yourself but your busy staring at the grass telling me I'm wrong

You've got that exactly backwards. The sky being blue is a long a widely accepted fact, like exclusives selling consoles. In fact, MS, Sony and Nintendo have spent billions to acquire talent and produce exclusives just for that reason. With your lack of proof, a more fitting analogy would be you saying, "I know we're underground and can't see the sky, but it's purple. Look, I have a drawing made by a pre-schooler showing that it's purple." With me responding, "It was blue yesterday, the day before and all the days previous and that's not proof, it's a fictional drawing." Then you say, "Well, it's the best I have so it must be true." No, no it's not.

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Yeah wiki is not system wars.

Cows still hiding behind their PC that they don't own. Have fun supporting MS games.

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@asylumni said:
@darkangel115 said:
@asylumni said:
@darkangel115 said:
@asylumni said:

So Sony has a huge legion of fans that will but anything from them, until they don't. LOL. 2:1 is not a gap, it's a ratio, and the gap between 10 million and 5 million is much smaller than the gap between 54 million and 26 million. The gap is getting larger. Why do you think Sony invests in exclusive titles, especially ones that probably won't sell like crazy, if they wont sell consoles? Why did MS for 2 gens? Do YOU think they are stupid?

The Wii U has more working against it than the exclusives could overcome, that doesn't mean exclusives do nothing. Why else did the Wii U sell as many as it did without power, 3rd party or price advantage?

it's a ratio duh. the gap is gonna be wider at higher numbers obviously. but selling 2>1 is the same. there are double the PS4s sold. it's simple they are outselling the XB1 at the same rate it always has. that was the point. It literally feels like you are trolling because nobody could be this dense for this long. it's literally impossible to be as stupid as you are acting currently. So I'm over this conversation with you. If another poster who actually can understand facts wants to discuss I will, but I'm not wasting anymore time on you. I explained it in a way a 2 year old could understand. if you still don't get it, that's on you.

It's a ratio you called a gap and one you said stayed the same since launch. I can only go by what you type, not what you think. (And you still typed it "2 greater than 1" not "2 to 1".) But here's the problem in your own words, 'I explained it in a way a 2 year old could understand" Perhaps when discussing something with an adult, you should no use a 2 year old's logic. In an adult conversation, when every supporting fact or figure is proven wrong or is widely known as wrong (ie. VGChartz), then you have no argument. You lack any real data to support your theory.

Dude you lack a counter point. I'm saying the sky is blue look up and see for yourself but your busy staring at the grass telling me I'm wrong

You've got that exactly backwards. The sky being blue is a long a widely accepted fact, like exclusives selling consoles. In fact, MS, Sony and Nintendo have spent billions to acquire talent and produce exclusives just for that reason. With your lack of proof, a more fitting analogy would be you saying, "I know we're underground and can't see the sky, but it's purple. Look, I have a drawing made by a pre-schooler showing that it's purple." With me responding, "It was blue yesterday, the day before and all the days previous and that's not proof, it's a fictional drawing." Then you say, "Well, it's the best I have so it must be true." No, no it's not.

show me the average attach rate of an exclusive for PS4, XB1, and Nintendo

then see how that compares with the total units sold.

it's very simple math. It's not a widely accepted fact that exclusives sell consoles. thats why MS and sony spend hundreds of millions for marketing rights to games like destiny, CoD, BF, GTA , etc. If sony was selling systems based on exclusives then why go out and spend all that money to market CoD, BF, battlefront, and destiny? they could have made 3-4 more exclusive games themselves in what they paid in marketing rights.

So no that's the issue you are making a statement that is false but with no proof.

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@darkangel115 said:
@asylumni said:
@darkangel115 said:
@asylumni said:
@darkangel115 said:

it's a ratio duh. the gap is gonna be wider at higher numbers obviously. but selling 2>1 is the same. there are double the PS4s sold. it's simple they are outselling the XB1 at the same rate it always has. that was the point. It literally feels like you are trolling because nobody could be this dense for this long. it's literally impossible to be as stupid as you are acting currently. So I'm over this conversation with you. If another poster who actually can understand facts wants to discuss I will, but I'm not wasting anymore time on you. I explained it in a way a 2 year old could understand. if you still don't get it, that's on you.

It's a ratio you called a gap and one you said stayed the same since launch. I can only go by what you type, not what you think. (And you still typed it "2 greater than 1" not "2 to 1".) But here's the problem in your own words, 'I explained it in a way a 2 year old could understand" Perhaps when discussing something with an adult, you should no use a 2 year old's logic. In an adult conversation, when every supporting fact or figure is proven wrong or is widely known as wrong (ie. VGChartz), then you have no argument. You lack any real data to support your theory.

Dude you lack a counter point. I'm saying the sky is blue look up and see for yourself but your busy staring at the grass telling me I'm wrong

You've got that exactly backwards. The sky being blue is a long a widely accepted fact, like exclusives selling consoles. In fact, MS, Sony and Nintendo have spent billions to acquire talent and produce exclusives just for that reason. With your lack of proof, a more fitting analogy would be you saying, "I know we're underground and can't see the sky, but it's purple. Look, I have a drawing made by a pre-schooler showing that it's purple." With me responding, "It was blue yesterday, the day before and all the days previous and that's not proof, it's a fictional drawing." Then you say, "Well, it's the best I have so it must be true." No, no it's not.

show me the average attach rate of an exclusive for PS4, XB1, and Nintendo

then see how that compares with the total units sold.

it's very simple math. It's not a widely accepted fact that exclusives sell consoles. thats why MS and sony spend hundreds of millions for marketing rights to games like destiny, CoD, BF, GTA , etc. If sony was selling systems based on exclusives then why go out and spend all that money to market CoD, BF, battlefront, and destiny? they could have made 3-4 more exclusive games themselves in what they paid in marketing rights.

So no that's the issue you are making a statement that is false but with no proof.

You seem to keep forgetting that it was you that made the claim that exclusives don't sell consoles and I am merely challenging that assertion and your lack of evidence. I don't know the attach rates of the exclusives, and neither do you, but you are the one basing their argument on it, not me. I also never claimed that marketing rights don't help as well, but you seem to be under the impression that one negates the other. It's like saying, if TV advertisement works, why do they also use magazines, internet and store displays as well? This isn't Highlander, there can be more than one.

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@asylumni said:
@darkangel115 said:
@asylumni said:
@darkangel115 said:
@asylumni said:

It's a ratio you called a gap and one you said stayed the same since launch. I can only go by what you type, not what you think. (And you still typed it "2 greater than 1" not "2 to 1".) But here's the problem in your own words, 'I explained it in a way a 2 year old could understand" Perhaps when discussing something with an adult, you should no use a 2 year old's logic. In an adult conversation, when every supporting fact or figure is proven wrong or is widely known as wrong (ie. VGChartz), then you have no argument. You lack any real data to support your theory.

Dude you lack a counter point. I'm saying the sky is blue look up and see for yourself but your busy staring at the grass telling me I'm wrong

You've got that exactly backwards. The sky being blue is a long a widely accepted fact, like exclusives selling consoles. In fact, MS, Sony and Nintendo have spent billions to acquire talent and produce exclusives just for that reason. With your lack of proof, a more fitting analogy would be you saying, "I know we're underground and can't see the sky, but it's purple. Look, I have a drawing made by a pre-schooler showing that it's purple." With me responding, "It was blue yesterday, the day before and all the days previous and that's not proof, it's a fictional drawing." Then you say, "Well, it's the best I have so it must be true." No, no it's not.

show me the average attach rate of an exclusive for PS4, XB1, and Nintendo

then see how that compares with the total units sold.

it's very simple math. It's not a widely accepted fact that exclusives sell consoles. thats why MS and sony spend hundreds of millions for marketing rights to games like destiny, CoD, BF, GTA , etc. If sony was selling systems based on exclusives then why go out and spend all that money to market CoD, BF, battlefront, and destiny? they could have made 3-4 more exclusive games themselves in what they paid in marketing rights.

So no that's the issue you are making a statement that is false but with no proof.

You seem to keep forgetting that it was you that made the claim that exclusives don't sell consoles and I am merely challenging that assertion and your lack of evidence. I don't know the attach rates of the exclusives, and neither do you, but you are the one basing their argument on it, not me. I also never claimed that marketing rights don't help as well, but you seem to be under the impression that one negates the other. It's like saying, if TV advertisement works, why do they also use magazines, internet and store displays as well? This isn't Highlander, there can be more than one.

You seem to be forgetting it works both ways. we have a chicken/egg thing going on here. You are saying I'm wrong and I didn't provide data but you refuse to provide data saying you are right. At least i gave enough of an explanation with the info we have available to reach a logical conclusion. you are saying the opposite but refuse to give any sort of proof or reasoning behind it other then because you said so. I never said that exclusives can't count for a % of sales. I just said it was a much smaller % then other factors such as price, power, brand loyalty, friends, etc