[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]Your intelligent is flawed.
x_SuperMario_x
LOL WUT?
Glad to see the KISS theory being applied to SW insults.
Keep it super simple.
Yes I am stupid.
There is no such thing as HARDCORE gamers.
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Exactly, i almost never buy games, but because i know my games and dont buy casual trash, im fine. I know people who have been gaming for almost 15 years and buy loads of games, doesnt change the fact they are casualsTo me a Hardcore gamer is a gamer who really knows what he likes, and plays a decent amount of time.
So, yeah, there's Hardcore Gamers to me.
SolidTy
[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]Funny how the gaming community has created a name for gamers but then dont understand the meaning. So far i've seen several versions of what "Hardcore gamer" is.
1) Hardcore gamer is based around what system you own (EI: Hardcore = PS3,XBOX, PC. Casual = Wii)
2) Hardcore gamer is based around what kinds of games you play (EI: Bloodfilled games, FPS, Swearing = Hardcore games. Casual = Platform, Pretty colors, anything without blood)
3) Hardcore gamer is based around how many games you buy per year.
4) Hardcore gamer is based on how many hours you play games.
5) Hardcore gamer is based on if you look up games in anticipation. (EI: Net, Mags)
Theres more but i'm sure you get the jist now of what i mean.
Which definition is it then? The gaming community created this category of people called "Hardcore gamers" then does not know which definition to go with! People said my original post was flawed but the gaming community is flawed due to not understanding itself and the definition which it creates.
Dibdibdobdobo
Your intelligent is flawed.
Intelligence. K. Thanks. Bye.
Basically your saying SW's is flawed as all my observations are towards comments which are in this thread!
Yes my *intelligent* is flawed to the Max.
Overall: There is no such thing as Hardcore gamers. Community cannot agree on what the term "Hardcore gamer" means so by default "hardcore gamer" has no defintion meaning there is no such thing.
:lol: thats embarrassing.
I may be stupid but the people your arguing against sure aren't ;)
[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]Funny how the gaming community has created a name for gamers but then dont understand the meaning. So far i've seen several versions of what "Hardcore gamer" is.
1) Hardcore gamer is based around what system you own (EI: Hardcore = PS3,XBOX, PC. Casual = Wii)
2) Hardcore gamer is based around what kinds of games you play (EI: Bloodfilled games, FPS, Swearing = Hardcore games. Casual = Platform, Pretty colors, anything without blood)
3) Hardcore gamer is based around how many games you buy per year.
4) Hardcore gamer is based on how many hours you play games.
5) Hardcore gamer is based on if you look up games in anticipation. (EI: Net, Mags)
Theres more but i'm sure you get the jist now of what i mean.
Which definition is it then? The gaming community created this category of people called "Hardcore gamers" then does not know which definition to go with! People said my original post was flawed but the gaming community is flawed due to not understanding itself and the definition which it creates.
Lonelynight
Your intelligent is flawed.
Intelligence. K. Thanks. Bye.
Basically your saying SW's is flawed as all my observations are towards comments which are in this thread!
Yes my *intelligent* is flawed to the Max.
Overall: There is no such thing as Hardcore gamers. Community cannot agree on what the term "Hardcore gamer" means so by default "hardcore gamer" has no defintion meaning there is no such thing.
:lol: thats embarrassing.
I may be stupid but the people your arguing against sure aren't ;)
Yes people contradicting other peoples definitions on what "Hardcore gamer" stands for is quite intelligent. :roll:
Like i said before "Community cannot agree on what the term "Hardcore gamer" means so by default "hardcore gamer" has no defintion meaning there is no such thing"
If people where as intelligent as they assume they are on here then they would be intelligent enough to decide on the definition of "HARDCORE GAMER" but instead they cannot decide on the defintion! Your giving people who have posted against my views more credit than they deserve.
Thats my take on it.
Playing [ put any game here] 12 hours a day is not hardcore no matter what you say guys, if they are only interested on one game only, then they don't know anything about gaming, they just wanna play one game, I don't give a damn about them if they don't give a damn about all the other amazing games out there.
If someone is interested only on COD4 and say to me "Im a hardcore gamer", Im gonna laugh at them and say "how could you claim that you are a hardcore gamer when you don't know what the hell is knights of the round, or who the hell is Raziel?", they are casuals who thinks they are hardcore, Im not claiming anything, maybe Im not a hardcore either, but I know that Im way hardcore than people who play only one game.
If someone is not interested on the standards of gaming ( single-player for example which I prefer to call story mode, this is what is called in old days, not single player), then they are not hardcore.
'Im going to burst alot of peoples bubbles. There is no such things as hardcore gamers! You dellusional children you either do 2 things 1) you do play games 2) you dont play games. There is no number 3) You play hardcore games! as there is no such thing as hardcore gamers nor games unlike porn. Your a gamer as simple as that, So stop trying to catergorize yourselves into a new criteria to make your sad little existance that much easier to cope with.
Whats a hardcore game? Lets see. A game with Blood, Guns, FP View, Swearing! Wait a minute that kind of stuff is added to games to make children feel all grown up about themselves in there bedrooms. Wow how fun that must be pretending your a adult because you play games with a 15 certificate thats so hardcore when your 12. Games like CoD are not hardcore theyre violent, Halo Violent, GTA violent. Violenct game are violent games not hardcore so stop using this word constantly.
Wasnt this stupid comment created by the media to make children feel appreciated when people like R* are bigging up there games with comments like "This is gonna be awesome, 18 rated, Bloodsoaked, Swear-a-thon, Hardcore gun-fest for all, for all you hardcore gamers" which basically translates to "The Whole games content is based around swearing, Gun, Blood and is aimed at people with little to zero maturity".
Theres 2 people in this world.
Gamers or Non-gamers! your either one or the other.
Dibdibdobdobo
i agree
Yes people contradicting other peoples definitions on what "Hardcore gamer" stands for is quite intelligent. :roll:
Like i said before "Community cannot agree on what the term "Hardcore gamer" means so by default "hardcore gamer" has no defintion meaning there is no such thing"
If people where as intelligent as they assume they are on here then they would be intelligent enough to decide on the definition of "HARDCORE GAMER" but instead they cannot decide on the defintion! Your giving people who have posted against my views more credit than they deserve.
Dibdibdobdobo
There is such thing as a hardcore gamer, but most people just have different definition for it.
There are the casuals who wants to play the mainstream games and don't care about the other freaking games out there, don't care about anything gaming related and do not know **** about the history of gaming, thats what I call casuals.
Hardcore gamers are the exact opposite of them.
What distinguishes a hardcore gamer from a casual isn't which games they play. It's about how much dedication they put into their hobby, both money and more importantly, time wise.
The casual enjoys gaming, but it isn't all that important to him. There is a limit to how much money he will spend on systems, games, and accessories. Namely, they don't buy a new system right away, but wait for the price to lower to what they consider acceptable. They share their time between gaming and other interests in equal measures, as games isn't the most important thing to them.
The hardcore on the other hand is highly passionate about gaming, and spend as much time as they can. This isn't to say they don't have other interests, but usually priortize their time to their games. To them, gaming is a skill to sharpen and hone, and see the need to practice to perfect themselves - much like how athletes treat their sport. When it comes to games, money is no object, buying as many titles as they can, to take in as much of the gameplay experiences as they can, and are most likely the early adopters. Every aspect of the technologies is worth it to them and they will justify their expenditures.
Yes, you can say we are all gamers, but really, not all people are equally dedicated to playing games as some others. Just like you can say some people own a car just to get to work, others treat their car as a shrine and will pour any amount of money to personalize it, making it into a visual statement of their expression.
I think its easy to look at this in a less complicated matter, personally, I see a hardcore gamer, as someone who knows what games are coming out, one who has a decent size collection, and knows about and plays some less popular games as well.
Casual gamers, are the kind I see in college most of the time, looking forward to usually the next Halo, GTA, etc, not that those games are casual, but they certainly are casual friendly, its a gamer who has gaming as a pass-time, but does not consider it his number one passtime.
I believe we need these defenitions, because some games are just targeted sepratly, a soccer mom who plays flash games, is quite different from a gamer who owns 3 consoles and several games for each. You need to know your audiance, to know what sort of advertising to submit them to and such, and therefore, there has to be a different category. No specific console, is casual, you have things like the Wii-Fit, which are intendend for casuals, but enjoyable by others too.
Edit: I didn't see while I was typing, but the person above me pretty much said what I wanted to. :P
'Im going to burst alot of peoples bubbles. There is no such things as hardcore gamers! You dellusional childrenyou either do 2 things 1) you do play games 2) you dont play games. There is no number3) You play hardcore games!as there is no such thing as hardcore gamers nor games unlike porn. Your a gamer as simple as that, So stop trying to catergorize yourselves into a new criteria to make your sad little existance that much easier to cope with.
Whats a hardcore game? Lets see. A game with Blood, Guns, FP View, Swearing! Wait a minute that kind of stuff is added to games to make children feel all grown up about themselves in there bedrooms. Wow how fun that must be pretending your a adult because you play games with a 15 certificate thats so hardcore when your 12. Games like CoD are not hardcore theyre violent, Halo Violent, GTA violent. Violenct game are violent games not hardcore so stop using this word constantly.
Wasnt this stupid comment created by the media to make children feel appreciated when people like R* are bigging up there games with comments like "This is gonna be awesome, 18 rated, Bloodsoaked, Swear-a-thon, Hardcore gun-fest for all, for all you hardcore gamers" which basically translates to "The Whole games content is based around swearing, Gun, Blood and is aimed at people with little to zero maturity".
Theres 2 people in this world.
Gamers or Non-gamers! your either one or the other.
Dibdibdobdobo
Do you think you are becoming cool when you say those things ?
You don't know what are you talking about, this is the first time I hear someone who puts this logic, no one plays "Violent" games to be cool or to call themselves hardcore :lol: this logic is only in your pathetic imagination in attempt to insult some people.
And there is something called hardcore games, it seems you don't know anything about gaming at all.
[QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]There's 2 definitions of a hardcore gamer. There's the wrong definition that's exploited all the time which is basically what you described, people that need to play violent, M rated games because they're insecure about playing Mario games. Then there's the correct definition: anyone who has a passion for gaming. That's it. Anyone who passionately plays video games in general is a hardcore gamer.x_SuperMario_x
People read this, and take notes.
Actually, everyone put this in their sig so people on SW stop getting confused.
Best post on this thread so far.
Put it on a flag and wave it all over SW
[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]'Im going to burst alot of peoples bubbles. There is no such things as hardcore gamers! You dellusional childrenyou either do 2 things 1) you do play games 2) you dont play games. There is no number3) You play hardcore games!as there is no such thing as hardcore gamers nor games unlike porn. Your a gamer as simple as that, So stop trying to catergorize yourselves into a new criteria to make your sad little existance that much easier to cope with.
Whats a hardcore game? Lets see. A game with Blood, Guns, FP View, Swearing! Wait a minute that kind of stuff is added to games to make children feel all grown up about themselves in there bedrooms. Wow how fun that must be pretending your a adult because you play games with a 15 certificate thats so hardcore when your 12. Games like CoD are not hardcore theyre violent, Halo Violent, GTA violent. Violenct game are violent games not hardcore so stop using this word constantly.
Wasnt this stupid comment created by the media to make children feel appreciated when people like R* are bigging up there games with comments like "This is gonna be awesome, 18 rated, Bloodsoaked, Swear-a-thon, Hardcore gun-fest for all, for all you hardcore gamers" which basically translates to "The Whole games content is based around swearing, Gun, Blood and is aimed at people with little to zero maturity".
Theres 2 people in this world.
Gamers or Non-gamers! your either one or the other.
HAZE-Unit
Do you think you are becoming cool when you say those things ? Yes i think i'm cool posting on a message board about computer games!! Do you think your cool for adding your reply!
You don't know what are you talking about, this is the first time I hear someone who puts this logic, no one plays "Violent" games to be cool or to call themselves hardcore :lol: this logic is only in your pathetic imagination in attempt to insult some people.
Do you actually read other peoples posts? Have you ever posted on SW's before? Just wondering because it seems you dont know what your on about at all! The vast majority of people on here have contradicted other peoples ideas on what Hardcore stands for. Yes my imagination is working overtime seeing all these people contradict each other! If my post offended you, You must of been one of the silly little children i was on about who has no idea!
And there is something called hardcore games, it seems you don't know anything about gaming at all. actually the general population on of SW's doesnt know neither from many of there replies! What Genre is Hardcore in? Is it a RPG, Action, MMO? Please explain how i dont know what im on about because so far your comments are there but with nothing to actually back them. I must be Hardcore as i play FFXI while your a casual gamer as you play these 40 hour FF games.
Overall you think i'm going to take any of your comments seriously. Nooo as theyre quite pathetic.
There is perhaps a more pertinent question...
...why do people feel so threatened by the term Hardcore that they need to try and wish it out of existence with weak black or white arguements that miss the point entirely?
Stonin
I dont feel threatened! I'm laughing mainly at SW's confussion on the situation! A balls is a ball, A gun is a gun, A hardcore gamer is....... Oh right theres several million variations on this so i will leave it for everyone else to decide.
[QUOTE="Stonin"]There is perhaps a more pertinent question...
...why do people feel so threatened by the term Hardcore that they need to try and wish it out of existence with weak black or white arguements that miss the point entirely?
Dibdibdobdobo
I dont feel threatened! I'm laughing mainly at SW's confussion on the situation! A balls is a ball, A gun is a gun, A hardcore gamer is....... Oh right theres several million variations on this so i will leave it for everyone else to decide.
Its a little bit ironic that you would use a ball and a gun for your analogy, when those objects have limitless variations among themselves, when one person says a "ball" or "gun" it could be very different from what you think they are. Its true there is a general consensus of what a gun or ball is, but thats the same with hardcore gamers, there is variation among the understanding as to what a hardcore gamer is, but that isn't different from what a ball or a gun is.
'Im going to burst alot of peoples bubbles. There is no such things as hardcore gamers! You dellusional children you either do 2 things 1) you do play games 2) you dont play games. There is no number 3) You play hardcore games! as there is no such thing as hardcore gamers nor games unlike porn. Your a gamer as simple as that, So stop trying to catergorize yourselves into a new criteria to make your sad little existance that much easier to cope with.
Whats a hardcore game? Lets see. A game with Blood, Guns, FP View, Swearing! Wait a minute that kind of stuff is added to games to make children feel all grown up about themselves in there bedrooms. Wow how fun that must be pretending your a adult because you play games with a 15 certificate thats so hardcore when your 12. Games like CoD are not hardcore theyre violent, Halo Violent, GTA violent. Violenct game are violent games not hardcore so stop using this word constantly.
Wasnt this stupid comment created by the media to make children feel appreciated when people like R* are bigging up there games with comments like "This is gonna be awesome, 18 rated, Bloodsoaked, Swear-a-thon, Hardcore gun-fest for all, for all you hardcore gamers" which basically translates to "The Whole games content is based around swearing, Gun, Blood and is aimed at people with little to zero maturity".
Theres 2 people in this world.
Gamers or Non-gamers! your either one or the other.
Dibdibdobdobo
You couldn't be more wrong, and your reasonings proves it. Hardcore GAMER is nowhere near the same thing as when people talk about "hardcore games."
I agree, there is no such thing as a hardcore game. Games are things, not people. You may as well go around talking about hardcore apples vs casual apples. Or hardcore trees vs casual trees. BUT, you can have a hardcore gardener and a casual gardener. It is a measure of their knowledge, passion and dedication to their craft.
The same is true for gamers. There are people who play games as a hobby or because it is fashionable to do so. THen there are people who play games, read about games, follow the gaming industry, follow up on company financials, plans, etc. There is a HUGE difference.
Think of it this way. Would you consider someone who buys a car, and another person with the same car who knows about the car manufacturer, types of oil, fuel, when and how to change the oil, etc? Of course not. Just because everyone has a car, doesn't mean they are all the same when it comes to their love, knowledge and passion for cars. There are people who go to every football game of the local team, but only because the team is winning and the game is like a party. Then there are people who go to every game, rain or shine, and actually know the coaching team, trades, player stats, and may know that for the whole LEAGUE. Clearely you wouldn't just say they are all the same?
[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]There's 2 definitions of a hardcore gamer. There's the wrong definition that's exploited all the time which is basically what you described, people that need to play violent, M rated games because they're insecure about playing Mario games. Then there's the correct definition: anyone who has a passion for gaming. That's it. Anyone who passionately plays video games in general is a hardcore gamer.Lord_Omikron666there is 3rd definition: gamers who concentrate on playing hardcore games
And what are hardcore games?
Games with steep learning curves and high degrees of difficulty. Games that require a significant amount of dedication, effort, and perhaps above all persistence to achieve acceptable results. I define this as "hardcore" because of the "hardcore" devotion it would take to play the game.
Perhaps that one game is the only one he/she likes. Some people have unique tastes. This makes a person hardcore, but a hardcore player of that one game, not a hardcore gamer in general.Thats my take on it.
Playing [ put any game here] 12 hours a day is not hardcore no matter what you say guys, if they are only interested on one game only, then they don't know anything about gaming, they just wanna play one game, I don't give a damn about them if they don't give a damn about all the other amazing games out there.
HAZE-Unit
[QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]There's 2 definitions of a hardcore gamer. There's the wrong definition that's exploited all the time which is basically what you described, people that need to play violent, M rated games because they're insecure about playing Mario games. Then there's the correct definition: anyone who has a passion for gaming. That's it. Anyone who passionately plays video games in general is a hardcore gamer.HuusAskingthere is 3rd definition: gamers who concentrate on playing hardcore games
And what are hardcore games?
Games with steep learning curves and high degrees of difficulty. Games that require a significant amount of dedication, effort, and perhaps above all persistence to achieve acceptable results. I define this as "hardcore" because of the "hardcore" devotion it would take to play the game. You just described a game that's a chore to play. Great games, despite the difficulty, are a pleasure to play; you don't need a "hardcore devotion", or whatever does that mean, to play it. Of course, "harcore gamers" don't play for fun so it really doesn't matter.
TC is completely wrong...Hardcore gamers dont turn their noses up at games w/ colorful graphics....They also enjoy many genres. Casual gamers play EA Sports, Guitar Hero, and FPSs...wolverine4262
They do on SW's. Thats if the existed that is.
[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]TC is completely wrong...Hardcore gamers dont turn their noses up at games w/ colorful graphics....They also enjoy many genres. Casual gamers play EA Sports, Guitar Hero, and FPSs...Dibdibdobdobo
They do on SW's.
who does what? What I should have said was Casual gamers ONLY play those games....And, yes there are some idiots on here who dont play "kiddy" games....but, you cant generalize everyone...There are always going to be exceptions.
I sir say you are wrong. I am a very hardcore gamer and have been for a long time. I am a collector and am extremely interested in the inner workings of the industry. I invest a lot of money into my hobby and when I can find the time I pour it into my games. You canNOT tell me I am the same type of gamer as someone who spends a couple hours a week playing a single game like Wiisports or Madden.
So you are telling me there is no inherent difference between me, someone who plays 55 hours of Persona 3 over a ten day period while working 28 hours a week, has a huge interest in the gaming industry and spends countless hours discussing these games online, and someone who spends maybe two or three hours a week playing Wiisports while knowing nothing else about gaming besides the one game they picked up and are having fun with?And why is that classification so important to you? Do you feel less than a gamer if you are not recognized as a "hardcore gamer"? I don't see how someone that is having fun with Wii Sports is having a "less legitimate" fun than you.
I sir say you are wrong. I am a very hardcore gamer and have been for a long time. I am a collector and am extremely interested in the inner workings of the industry. I invest a lot of money into my hobby and when I can find the time I pour it into my games. You canNOT tell me I am the same type of gamer as someone who spends a couple hours a week playing a single game like Wiisports or Madden.
foxhound_fox
There is a Casual gamer and there is most definitely a Hardcore gamer. A person playing games with Blood, Gore, and other Mature Content does not define Hardcore. And there's a big difference between the two types of gamers. A casual gamer just plays a game to his satisfaction while a hardcore gamer sort of masters the game like playing the game for hours just to unlock a hidden thing or memorize fighting moves of some sort.
But most importantly we Hardcore gamers dont play EA Sports because we play 2k sports :D
Only harcore gamers are those guys competing in Donkey kong, Pac-Man etc.. Hermits are not hardcore, Cows are not hardcore, Lemmings are not hardcore and Sheep are not hardcore. 100% of the games today are a joke compared to old school arcade games. So sorry kids, inless your the King of Kong or somthing.. your not hardcore. Im saying this after beating hundreds and hundreds of games over 20 plus years of gaming.
P.S you take all these new competions and flush them.. None of those gamers competing in Halo or whatever wouldnt last a minute in "80's" arcade championships.
I would say a casual gamer or a non-gamer as i would liek to call it, plays a little and is'nt all that picky what they play.
While a gamer plays alot more, have it as a hobby and is usually up to date with the gaming industry.
If there would be something over being just a gamer and a non-gamer, i guess that would be what you could call, a dedicated gamer, that wants to find every little secret or get every little record in a game.
The Term hardcore is mostly just used to describe how difficult or realistic something is.
I find havign to put labels on people silly. Must be a age thing...
I have purchased about 30 games this gen at full price. That's like 1800 dollars worth of software. I have spent another ~$150 on DLC. My PS3 cost $700 because I got it when it launched. I bought an HDTV specifically for my PS3. I spent $1500 on my PC. I spent about $1500 on PC games, and I played WoW for ~2 years, @ $15 USD/month. Last gen I had a big PS2 and a slim PS2, and I own about 300 games. I spend a Part Time job's worth of time in front of my TV each week playing games. I have friends who I have known for years who I know better by their game name than their real name. I have headsets, Vent, TeamSpeak, 6 controllers for my PS3, Rock Band with an extra guitar. I wrap all the games I play, and sink close to a hundred hours into a game if it really interests me (Oblivion, Grand Theft Auto), I beat games on multiple difficulty settings (Resistance), I play the SP component and the MP component of every game I own, and I plan to play through Metal Gear Solid 4 at least 4 times.
Now are you seriously telling me that some middle-aged lady who plays Wii tennis a couple of hours a week is just like me, a gamer, and there is no distinction between us?
What distinguishes a hardcore gamer from a casual isn't which games they play. It's about how much dedication they put into their hobby, both money and more importantly, time wise.
The casual enjoys gaming, but it isn't all that important to him. There is a limit to how much money he will spend on systems, games, and accessories. Namely, they don't buy a new system right away, but wait for the price to lower to what they consider acceptable. They share their time between gaming and other interests in equal measures, as games isn't the most important thing to them.
The hardcore on the other hand is highly passionate about gaming, and spend as much time as they can. This isn't to say they don't have other interests, but usually priortize their time to their games. To them, gaming is a skill to sharpen and hone, and see the need to practice to perfect themselves - much like how athletes treat their sport. When it comes to games, money is no object, buying as many titles as they can, to take in as much of the gameplay experiences as they can, and are most likely the early adopters. Every aspect of the technologies is worth it to them and they will justify their expenditures.
Yes, you can say we are all gamers, but really, not all people are equally dedicated to playing games as some others. Just like you can say some people own a car just to get to work, others treat their car as a shrine and will pour any amount of money to personalize it, making it into a visual statement of their expression.
AdobeArtist
Winner. /thread
And why is that classification so important to you? Do you feel less than a gamer if you are not recognized as a "hardcore gamer"? I don't see how someone that is having fun with Wii Sports is having a "less legitimate" fun than you.MagnuzGuerra
That wasn't the point. It's not about fun, it is being called "the same" as someone who only plays games for a few hours a week and has no interest in the hobby outside of playing that one game for a few hours a week.
Why is handicap important to a lot of golfers? It's just a hobby right, what's the difference between a high and low handicap if it's just a hobby that you have fun with? Being a "hardcore gamer" means I take my hobby seriously and want that to be recognized.
We are all gamers but there are different kinds of gamers who have different levels of devotion to the hobby.
yeah exactly gta4 isn't really hardcore to me but i can see how ninja gaiden is because it can be a challenge.To me a Hardcore gamer is a gamer who really knows what he likes, and plays a decent amount of time.
So, yeah, there's Hardcore Gamers to me.
SolidTy
hardcore gamers get really into it and are pissed if their favorite game goes too mainstream. well, except halo 3.
[QUOTE="MagnuzGuerra"]And why is that classification so important to you? Do you feel less than a gamer if you are not recognized as a "hardcore gamer"? I don't see how someone that is having fun with Wii Sports is having a "less legitimate" fun than you.foxhound_fox
That wasn't the point. It's not about fun, it is being called "the same" as someone who only plays games for a few hours a week and has no interest in the hobby outside of playing that one game for a few hours a week.
Why is handicap important to a lot of golfers? It's just a hobby right, what's the difference between a high and low handicap if it's just a hobby that you have fun with? Being a "hardcore gamer" means I take my hobby seriously and want that to be recognized.
We are all gamers but there are different kinds of gamers who have different levels of devotion to the hobby. There's a difference between someone that plays golf as a hobby and someone that plays it professionally. If you play at championships or/and with clans online, for the sake of competition, that's one thing, but what you said is that there's a hobbist and a profissional hobbist. It just doesn't make sense.
There's a difference between someone that plays golf as a hobby and someone that plays it professionally. If you play at championships or/and with clans online, for the sake of competition, that's one thing, but what you said is that there's a hobbist and a profissional hobbist. It just doesn't make sense.MagnuzGuerra
Where did I mention the word "professional?"
To many "amateur" golfers, keeping track of their ever-changing handicap is exceptionally important to them because they take their hobby seriously. I golf too but I am a "casual" golfer, I go out two to three times a year and just play for fun, I don't take it seriously.
Is that point so hard to understand?
For me hardcore has nothing to do with what kind of games you play, how much you play, or how much you spend on gaming. Its all about playing the hardest games on the hardest settings, and/or truely competing in multilayer.
Thats what I call "hardcore" because it defiantly separates the "men" from the "boys" considering that there are games that most ppl would cry if they played.
Myself, I do not play competitive multilayer its just not fun for me everyone is to serious. I do love to play very hard games but I am still only on the path....to "hardcore" one day I will reach my destination..one day. 
[QUOTE="MagnuzGuerra"]There's a difference between someone that plays golf as a hobby and someone that plays it professionally. If you play at championships or/and with clans online, for the sake of competition, that's one thing, but what you said is that there's a hobbist and a profissional hobbist. It just doesn't make sense.foxhound_fox
Where did I mention the word "professional?"
To many "amateur" golfers, keeping track of their ever-changing handicap is exceptionally important to them because they take their hobby seriously. I golf too but I am a "casual" golfer, I go out two to three times a year and just play for fun, I don't take it seriously.
Is that point so hard to understand? Not at all, but I think you missed my point and the point of the OP. You said "Being a "hardcore gamer" means I take my hobby seriously and want that to be recognized". I really don't see why we should have a handicap about who is more "hardcore". That's not like "using handicap to check how good you are doing in a sport/game" or, like amateur golfers that want to compete between them to compare skill, not to compare who is the most passionate golf lover. Gaming, in general, is not a competition or sport, it's just an entertainment media. If we start to use handicaps to check who is more "gamer", I could say that someone that posts in GAF is more gamer than I am (just because GAF is somehow recognized as the place for "hardcore gamers"), and that makes no sense. In the end, it's just a nerdy thing, that some people are taking it too seriously.
Not at all, but I think you missed my point and the point of the OP. You said "Being a "hardcore gamer" means I take my hobby seriously and want that to be recognized". I really don't see why we should have a handicap about who is more "hardcore". That's not like "using handicap to check how good you are doing in a sport/game" or, like amateur golfers, want to compete between them, to compare skill, not to compare who is the most passionate golf lover. Gaming, in general, not a competition or sport, it's just an entertainment media. If we start to use handicaps to check who is more "gamer", I could say that someone that posts in GAF is more gamer than I am (just because GAF is somehow recognized as the place for "hardcore gamers"), and that makes no sense. In the end, it's just a nerdy thing, that some people are taking it too seriously.MagnuzGuerra
It isn't about who is "more hardcore" it is about who takes the hobby more seriously. I was never talking about skill or anything inherent or relative to any kind of competition between gamers. It was all completely about "devotion to the hobby." Gaming is a hobby, especially when people like myself do more with it than just "enjoy it as a entertainment media." I collect games, I spend time on forums discussing games, I do more than just game.
There is a difference between "hardcore" and "casual" gamers. Call them what you please but that difference exists. They are not the "same type" of gamer. One is not "better than the other" they are just different. You need to understand that if you ever want to understand my argument.
I find it funny how you call it "nerdy" and you are the one on the internet having this discussion on a gaming forum.
It isn't about who is "more hardcore" it is about who takes the hobby more seriously.foxhound_fox:? That's redundant.
I was never talking about skill or anything inherent or relative to any kind of competition between gamers. It was all completely about "devotion to the hobby." Gaming is a hobby, especially when people like myself do more with it than just "enjoy it as a entertainment media." I collect games, I spend time on forums discussing games, I do more than just game.foxhound_foxSo do I and I don't think I'm a hardcore gamer, in the sense now popularized among gaming forums (and that's what this thread is about). I just don't agree that you do all that to "be recognized" as you said. I think you do that because, first and foremost, it's fun to you.
There is a difference between "hardcore" and "casual" gamers. Call them what you please but that difference exists. They are not the "same type" of gamer. One is not "better than the other" they are just different. You need to understand that if you ever want to understand my argument.foxhound_foxThat's exactly what I was talking about. Even if you aren't a professional or amateur golf player, you still like golf. I bet you watch competitions, read news and talk about golf, even if you aren't as serious as other players. You do all that because it's fun, for you.
I find it funny how you call it "nerdy" and you are the one on the internet having this discussion on a gaming forum.foxhound_foxI'm in no way offended by being called a nerd because that's what I am. I just don't need to be recognized as a hardcore gamer to enjoy my hobby.
[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"][QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]'Im going to burst alot of peoples bubbles. There is no such things as hardcore gamers! You dellusional childrenyou either do 2 things 1) you do play games 2) you dont play games. There is no number3) You play hardcore games!as there is no such thing as hardcore gamers nor games unlike porn. Your a gamer as simple as that, So stop trying to catergorize yourselves into a new criteria to make your sad little existance that much easier to cope with.
Whats a hardcore game? Lets see. A game with Blood, Guns, FP View, Swearing! Wait a minute that kind of stuff is added to games to make children feel all grown up about themselves in there bedrooms. Wow how fun that must be pretending your a adult because you play games with a 15 certificate thats so hardcore when your 12. Games like CoD are not hardcore theyre violent, Halo Violent, GTA violent. Violenct game are violent games not hardcore so stop using this word constantly.
Wasnt this stupid comment created by the media to make children feel appreciated when people like R* are bigging up there games with comments like "This is gonna be awesome, 18 rated, Bloodsoaked, Swear-a-thon, Hardcore gun-fest for all, for all you hardcore gamers" which basically translates to "The Whole games content is based around swearing, Gun, Blood and is aimed at people with little to zero maturity".
Theres 2 people in this world.
Gamers or Non-gamers! your either one or the other.
Dibdibdobdobo
Do you think you are becoming cool when you say those things ? Yes i think i'm cool posting on a message board about computer games!! Do you think your cool for adding your reply!
You don't know what are you talking about, this is the first time I hear someone who puts this logic, no one plays "Violent" games to be cool or to call themselves hardcore :lol: this logic is only in your pathetic imagination in attempt to insult some people.
Do you actually read other peoples posts? Have you ever posted on SW's before? Just wondering because it seems you dont know what your on about at all! The vast majority of people on here have contradicted other peoples ideas on what Hardcore stands for. Yes my imagination is working overtime seeing all these people contradict each other! If my post offended you, You must of been one of the silly little children i was on about who has no idea!
And there is something called hardcore games, it seems you don't know anything about gaming at all. actually the general population on of SW's doesnt know neither from many of there replies! What Genre is Hardcore in? Is it a RPG, Action, MMO? Please explain how i dont know what im on about because so far your comments are there but with nothing to actually back them. I must be Hardcore as i play FFXI while your a casual gamer as you play these 40 hour FF games.
Overall you think i'm going to take any of your comments seriously. Nooo as theyre quite pathetic.
So you are cool when you generalize and say all of the insults to people? however, alot of people here are older than 25 years of age, good for you.
Again you are taking opportunity to insult, and if I was one of them ( children as you say ) then I would have reported you from the start but you seem not to understand how to talk to people or what I was implying, and all I see from you is, no discussion = insult to other people.
I was going to comment of what I claim but you seem not interested so all I have to say to you is a word consists of 5 letters, "guess" :lol:
[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"][QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]'Im going to burst alot of peoples bubbles. There is no such things as hardcore gamers! You dellusional childrenyou either do 2 things 1) you do play games 2) you dont play games. There is no number3) You play hardcore games!as there is no such thing as hardcore gamers nor games unlike porn. Your a gamer as simple as that, So stop trying to catergorize yourselves into a new criteria to make your sad little existance that much easier to cope with.
Whats a hardcore game? Lets see. A game with Blood, Guns, FP View, Swearing! Wait a minute that kind of stuff is added to games to make children feel all grown up about themselves in there bedrooms. Wow how fun that must be pretending your a adult because you play games with a 15 certificate thats so hardcore when your 12. Games like CoD are not hardcore theyre violent, Halo Violent, GTA violent. Violenct game are violent games not hardcore so stop using this word constantly.
Wasnt this stupid comment created by the media to make children feel appreciated when people like R* are bigging up there games with comments like "This is gonna be awesome, 18 rated, Bloodsoaked, Swear-a-thon, Hardcore gun-fest for all, for all you hardcore gamers" which basically translates to "The Whole games content is based around swearing, Gun, Blood and is aimed at people with little to zero maturity".
Theres 2 people in this world.
Gamers or Non-gamers! your either one or the other.
HAZE-Unit
Do you think you are becoming cool when you say those things ? Yes i think i'm cool posting on a message board about computer games!! Do you think your cool for adding your reply!
You don't know what are you talking about, this is the first time I hear someone who puts this logic, no one plays "Violent" games to be cool or to call themselves hardcore :lol: this logic is only in your pathetic imagination in attempt to insult some people.
Do you actually read other peoples posts? Have you ever posted on SW's before? Just wondering because it seems you dont know what your on about at all! The vast majority of people on here have contradicted other peoples ideas on what Hardcore stands for. Yes my imagination is working overtime seeing all these people contradict each other! If my post offended you, You must of been one of the silly little children i was on about who has no idea!
And there is something called hardcore games, it seems you don't know anything about gaming at all. actually the general population on of SW's doesnt know neither from many of there replies! What Genre is Hardcore in? Is it a RPG, Action, MMO? Please explain how i dont know what im on about because so far your comments are there but with nothing to actually back them. I must be Hardcore as i play FFXI while your a casual gamer as you play these 40 hour FF games.
Overall you think i'm going to take any of your comments seriously. Nooo as theyre quite pathetic.
So you are cool when you generalize and say all of the insults to people? however, alot of people here are older than 25 years of age, good for you.
If it insulted you then like i said previously you must be one of the people who i mentioned! if it has no affect towards you then it was not aimed towards you! simple as that really! Its easy to see that you have become defensive so it must have hit a nerve. People claim many things on here so should i start beleiving them? NO. Should i start beleiving you because you say people are mainly over 25 on here ? No. I've read enough on SYSTEM WARS to know how the general population of people who post on here work! People say this comment of "I'm Hardcore" and "I play HArdcore games" but then when you put up a post saying thats there no such thing as "Hardcore" then the whole of SW's contradicts each others perspective on what this word actually means. If this comment had a true meaning then everyones comments on what "Hardcore" truely means would not be so random to another persons.
Overall: People have proven on here that Hardcore is like Santa Clause. They might both exist in word but in reality "Theres no such thing as SANTA/HARDCORE"
Again you are taking opportunity to insult, and if I was one of them ( children as you say ) then I would have reported you from the start but you seem not to understand how to talk to people or what I was implying, and all I see from you is, no discussion = insult to other people.
Like i said. If it hit a nerve then it must be you who im on about! Its simple as that. Overall dont give out advice when you are no better than i as you clearly insulted me, That is called contradiction. "this logic is only in your pathetic imagination"! I've already been reported though when it said "Reason: ....." there wasnt a reason which i will complain about in due time. My post was not aimed towards anyone specific but people became defensive over it! My OP was to provoke people to encourage them to give out there opinion on what "hardcore" means and it worked perfectly fine as i got the result in which i wanted which was contradiction of the definition of "hardcore gamer" and "Hardcore games" between people.
Overall my post worked perfectly well for what it was designed to do.
I was going to comment of what I claim but you seem not interested so all I have to say to you is a word consists of 5 letters, "guess" :lol:
Yes i was being sarcastic but i always enjoy a good read! This is the main reason i come on SW's! I enjoy the banter.
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