Things System Wars People Need to Know

Thank you for stating the obvious.. But console exclusive means only for consoles. If developers and publishers use this term, I don't see why SW should think it's above them and/or it.xsubtownerx

Actually, console exclusive means "On consoles, it's exclusive to X platform". For example, according to Digital Foundry and 4A games Metro 2033 is a console exclusive.

I understand that if you take the term literally, it would mean that, but in the industry it has a unique meaning.

Here in SW, PC is considered in the same market segment as consoles, but irl it's not.

If people want to use the term, or exclude PC, then let them. It's up to others to fight for the right. That's what the obligatory post of Crysis on Very High was made for.:P

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So you're going to ban people for saying 'Console Exclusive'?Chrome-

This may all seem pretty straightforward and obvious but some confusion has recently reared its ugly head.

1. A game that exists on more than one platform (including the pc) is not exclusive...at all.

2. This is system wars...not console wars. The pc counts as much here as any other system.
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25865702&tag=topics%3Btitle

If you disagree, find another forum.

3. This is system wars...not company wars. The PC is not a Microsoft platform. It is an open platform. Microsoft just so happens to make the most common operating system and that is also only just one component that makes a PC work.

4. The "console exclusive" term has no place here because it selectively excludes a system that is included in this forum. (see above) Find a better term to use.

5. An already multiplat game going to another system is not an exclusive lost for any system the game was originally on.

CaseyWegner

OBJECTION! The bolded statement clearly contradicts a previous call you made. If its on more than one system then why did you yourself say that MLB '10 was exclusive for the PS3? Sure it had more features than the others but the core gameplay is the same.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

This may all seem pretty straightforward and obvious but some confusion has recently reared its ugly head.

1. A game that exists on more than one platform (including the pc) is not exclusive...at all.

2. This is system wars...not console wars. The pc counts as much here as any other system.
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25865702&tag=topics%3Btitle

If you disagree, find another forum.

3. This is system wars...not company wars. The PC is not a Microsoft platform. It is an open platform. Microsoft just so happens to make the most common operating system and that is also only just one component that makes a PC work.

4. The "console exclusive" term has no place here because it selectively excludes a system that is included in this forum. (see above) Find a better term to use.

5. An already multiplat game going to another system is not an exclusive lost for any system the game was originally on.

SexySasquatch11

OBJECTION! The bolded statement clearly contradicts a previous call you made. If its on more than one system then why did you yourself say that MLB '10 was exclusive for the PS3? Sure it had more features than the others but the core gameplay is the same.

there are enough differences that it's not considered the same game.

Console exclusive can be changed to be PC/360 exclusive or PC/PS3 exclusive, or is there something wrong there too?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

This may all seem pretty straightforward and obvious but some confusion has recently reared its ugly head.

1. A game that exists on more than one platform (including the pc) is not exclusive...at all.

2. This is system wars...not console wars. The pc counts as much here as any other system.
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25865702&tag=topics%3Btitle

If you disagree, find another forum.

3. This is system wars...not company wars. The PC is not a Microsoft platform. It is an open platform. Microsoft just so happens to make the most common operating system and that is also only just one component that makes a PC work.

4. The "console exclusive" term has no place here because it selectively excludes a system that is included in this forum. (see above) Find a better term to use.

5. An already multiplat game going to another system is not an exclusive lost for any system the game was originally on.

SexySasquatch11

OBJECTION! The bolded statement clearly contradicts a previous call you made. If its on more than one system then why did you yourself say that MLB '10 was exclusive for the PS3? Sure it had more features than the others but the core gameplay is the same.

Console exclusive can be changed to be PC/360 exclusive or PC/PS3 exclusive, or is there something wrong there too?

deangallop

that's better...but it's still odd.

Console exclusive can be changed to be PC/360 exclusive or PC/PS3 exclusive, or is there something wrong there too?

deangallop

there are enough differences that it's not considered the same game.

CaseyWegner

But thats not what you said.

1. A game that exists on more than one platform (including the pc) is not exclusive...at all.

I can find it one PS2 and PSP. Didn't say if there's enough differences its ok. Why isn't Tiger Woods exclusive for the Wii? Doesn't it play 100% differently than the 360 and PS3 versions? Double standards?

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

Console exclusive can be changed to be PC/360 exclusive or PC/PS3 exclusive, or is there something wrong there too?

Giancar

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

there are enough differences that it's not considered the same game.

SexySasquatch11

But thats not what you said.

1. A game that exists on more than one platform (including the pc) is not exclusive...at all.

I can find it one PS2 and PSP. Didn't say if there's enough differences its ok. Why isn't Tiger Woods exclusive for the Wii? Doesn't it play 100% differently than the 360 and PS3 versions? Double standards?

look more closely at my statement. especially the "not considered the same game" part.

[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="deangallop"]

Console exclusive can be changed to be PC/360 exclusive or PC/PS3 exclusive, or is there something wrong there too?

deangallop

and that would be used to make a multiplat seem more important. just call it what it is...multiplat.

[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="deangallop"]

Console exclusive can be changed to be PC/360 exclusive or PC/PS3 exclusive, or is there something wrong there too?

deangallop

[QUOTE="deangallop"][QUOTE="Giancar"] you would be incurring in the same error how can be an exclusive if it is avaliable in another system?CaseyWegner

and that would be used to make a multiplat seem more important. just call it what it is...multiplat.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="deangallop"] Groupings can be exclusive, if a game is on two separate systems but on no other that game is exclusive to the two systems. deangallop

and that would be used to make a multiplat seem more important. just call it what it is...multiplat.

what's wrong with calling it a pc/360 game? why does the word "exclusive" need to be in there?

look more closely at my statement. especially the "not considered the same game" part.

CaseyWegner

But like I said about Tiger Woods Wii is a different game than the others. And I thought added features didn't warrent an exclusive title here, thats why remakes weren't counted. REmake on the GC was at its core RE1 but it added a hell of a lot for features and expanded the game and its not exclusive? If better graphics/online/features make a game exclusive then shouldn't all PC games be considered exclusive? With all the mods out there today games on the PC are on another level than consoles.

[QUOTE="deangallop"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

and that would be used to make a multiplat seem more important. just call it what it is...multiplat.

CaseyWegner

what's wrong with calling it a pc/360 game? why does the word "exclusive" need to be in there?

and whats happening now in this thread is why the me2 coming to ps3 was so huge on swTintedEyes

care to elaborate?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="deangallop"] You may see it as me trying to make a game more important, I see it as you trying to make a lot of games seem less important. Assassins creed is a multiplat, and by your logic so is L4D2. There's a difference though. L4D2 is a reason to chose a PC or a 360 over a PS3 and by grouping it with games that are on all systems you make the game seem less important. deangallop

what's wrong with calling it a pc/360 game? why does the word "exclusive" need to be in there?

but why can't you just say pc/360 game? there's no reason for the word exclusive.

Well there is no reason for not including the word exclusive either.

and people in SW are obsessed with the word "exclusive". Many people already disregard PC/360 games in 360 vs PS3 debates.

Well there is no reason for not including the word exclusive either.

and people in SW are obsessed with the word "exclusive". Many people already disregard PC/360 games in 360 vs PS3 debates.

deangallop

yes there is. if a game is on more than one platform, it's multiplat...not exclusive.

Many people already disregard PC/360 games in 360 vs PS3 debates.

deangallop

So they are wrong

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

Well there is no reason for not including the word exclusive either.

and people in SW are obsessed with the word "exclusive". Many people already disregard PC/360 games in 360 vs PS3 debates.

CaseyWegner

yes there is. if a game is on more than one platform, it's multiplat...not exclusive.

Whatever dude it is technically on multiple platforms but it's also not on all systems like most multiplats, thefore it is exclusive to the systems it is on.

I'm done arguing here, you can continue pushing around your hidden agenda to make some systems seem weaker then they are.

Look at it this way I have a good reason for wanting to catagorize a PC/360 or PS3/PC game as exclusive.

What reasons do you have for taking a game that obviously has more worth in SW than others and categorizing it into a group with games of lower SW worth?

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

Console exclusive can be changed to be PC/360 exclusive or PC/PS3 exclusive, or is there something wrong there too?

CaseyWegner

that's better...but it's still odd.

[QUOTE="deangallop"] Many people already disregard PC/360 games in 360 vs PS3 debates.

Giancar

So they are wrong

I'm done arguing here, you can continue pushing around your hidden agenda to make some systems seem weaker then they are.deangallop

This may all seem pretty straightforward and obvious but some confusion has recently reared its ugly head.

1. A game that exists on more than one platform (including the pc) is not exclusive...at all.

2. This is system wars...not console wars. The pc counts as much here as any other system.
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25865702&tag=topics%3Btitle

If you disagree, find another forum.

3. This is system wars...not company wars. The PC is not a Microsoft platform. It is an open platform. Microsoft just so happens to make the most common operating system and that is also only just one component that makes a PC work.

4. The "console exclusive" term has no place here because it selectively excludes a system that is included in this forum. (see above) Find a better term to use.

5. An already multiplat game going to another system is not an exclusive lost for any system the game was originally on.

CaseyWegner

how can an open platform be put in the same league with closed platform??

I'm done arguing here, you can continue pushing around your hidden agenda to make some systems seem weaker then they are.deangallop

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

Well there is no reason for not including the word exclusive either.

and people in SW are obsessed with the word "exclusive". Many people already disregard PC/360 games in 360 vs PS3 debates.

deangallop

yes there is. if a game is on more than one platform, it's multiplat...not exclusive.

Whatever dude it is technically on multiple platforms but it's also not on all systems like most multiplats, thefore it is exclusive to the systems it is on.

I'm done arguing here, you can continue pushing around your hidden agenda to make some systems seem weaker then they are.

Look at it this way I have a good reason for wanting to catagorize a PC/360 or PS3/PC game as exclusive.

What reasons do you have for taking a game that obviously has more worth in SW than others and categorizing it into a group with games of lower SW worth?

more than one system...not exclusive. can't be. impossible. no hidden agenda. how am i trying to lower the worth? i already approved of pc/360 game as opposed to pc/360 exclusive.

I will bookmark this thread, when people say that lems don't even try to use the console exclusive term [QUOTE="deangallop"]I'm done arguing here, you can continue pushing around your hidden agenda to make some systems seem weaker then they are.Giancar

who said they don't try to use it? :|

I'm done arguing here, you can continue pushing around your hidden agenda to make some systems seem weaker then they are.deangallop

Ha ha, Wut.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

This may all seem pretty straightforward and obvious but some confusion has recently reared its ugly head.

1. A game that exists on more than one platform (including the pc) is not exclusive...at all.

2. This is system wars...not console wars. The pc counts as much here as any other system.
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25865702&tag=topics%3Btitle

If you disagree, find another forum.

3. This is system wars...not company wars. The PC is not a Microsoft platform. It is an open platform. Microsoft just so happens to make the most common operating system and that is also only just one component that makes a PC work.

4. The "console exclusive" term has no place here because it selectively excludes a system that is included in this forum. (see above) Find a better term to use.

5. An already multiplat game going to another system is not an exclusive lost for any system the game was originally on.

omho88

how can an open platform be put in the same league with closed platform??

because they're both similar gaming systems and this isn't company wars.

>how can an open platform be put in the same league with closed platform??

omho88

ALL this gen gotys. ALL have been consoles exclusives by the time it were chosen as gotys 8)

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

yes there is. if a game is on more than one platform, it's multiplat...not exclusive.

CaseyWegner

Whatever dude it is technically on multiple platforms but it's also not on all systems like most multiplats, thefore it is exclusive to the systems it is on.

I'm done arguing here, you can continue pushing around your hidden agenda to make some systems seem weaker then they are.

Look at it this way I have a good reason for wanting to catagorize a PC/360 or PS3/PC game as exclusive.

What reasons do you have for taking a game that obviously has more worth in SW than others and categorizing it into a group with games of lower SW worth?

more than one system...not exclusive. can't be. impossible. no hidden agenda. how am i trying to lower the worth? i already approved of pc/360 game as opposed to pc/360 exclusive.

[QUOTE="Giancar"]I will bookmark this thread, when people say that lems don't even try to use the console exclusive term [QUOTE="deangallop"]I'm done arguing here, you can continue pushing around your hidden agenda to make some systems seem weaker then they are.CaseyWegner

who said they don't try to use it? :|

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

Whatever dude it is technically on multiple platforms but it's also not on all systems like most multiplats, thefore it is exclusive to the systems it is on.

I'm done arguing here, you can continue pushing around your hidden agenda to make some systems seem weaker then they are.

Look at it this way I have a good reason for wanting to catagorize a PC/360 or PS3/PC game as exclusive.

What reasons do you have for taking a game that obviously has more worth in SW than others and categorizing it into a group with games of lower SW worth?

deangallop

more than one system...not exclusive. can't be. impossible. no hidden agenda. how am i trying to lower the worth? i already approved of pc/360 game as opposed to pc/360 exclusive.

there is nothing wrong with my definition.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Giancar"] lolGiancar

who said they don't try to use it? :|

such as?

[QUOTE="deangallop"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

more than one system...not exclusive. can't be. impossible. no hidden agenda. how am i trying to lower the worth? i already approved of pc/360 game as opposed to pc/360 exclusive.

CaseyWegner

there is nothing wrong with my definition.