This PC to console cross platform stuff REALLY is hurting pc games as a whole.

[QUOTE="robflores370"]I could care less since I game mainly on consoles anyway. Maybe if pc gamers would buy more games instead of playing the same ones for 10 years more devs would cater to them. Consoles are where the money is at.millerlight89

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^ They're nowhere near the limits. Go check the beyond3d forum if you need more info.

You don't notice much a difference because graphics are starting to approach there limits. Games wont look all that much better next generation. I'm pretty sure of that. Dahaka-UK

We haven't even started using Ray-Tracing universally yet.

Here is what ray-tracing is capable of.

[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]You don't notice much a difference because graphics are starting to approach there limits. Games wont look all that much better next generation. I'm pretty sure of that. Aljosa23

We haven't even started using Ray-Tracing universally yet.

Here is what ray-tracing is capable of.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]You don't notice much a difference because graphics are starting to approach there limits. Games wont look all that much better next generation. I'm pretty sure of that. Dahaka-UK

We haven't even started using Ray-Tracing universally yet.

Here is what ray-tracing is capable of.

You don't notice much a difference because graphics are starting to approach there limits. Games wont look all that much better next generation. I'm pretty sure of that. Dahaka-UK

[QUOTE="ducati101"]obamanian, please dont give games that still have'nt come out yet as examples.If by saying 360 can keep up easily with pc,you mean they have more or less the same type of games then your right about that.Thats all im afraid.obamanian

Actually 360 gets all the best looking PC games in 2009, and considering the very best are made with 360 in mind, they will look about same with minor differences

So, with a 360 you get the best visuals in 2009

too many casual console gamers.

consoles ruined

unreal

quake

soldier of fortune

fear

I see as usual the console users have decided that cross platform development means consoles > PC, doesn't the fact that many cross platform games are previous console exclusives coming to PC deter that mentality?

Here is how things work today.

As far back as 2005 the games industry recognised that content development costs were skyrocketing in a unsustainable manner, especially at times of console generational leaps were higher overall content quality was expected from all developers. In order to counter these higher development costs developers moved to a cross platform development model, by designing one game to be released on multiple platforms the sales could be vastly increased without doing the same to development costs. A cross platform game has to target the lowest common denominator hardware of each system to ensure broad compatibility, the weakest component of each system determines the game design.

That is cross platform development, it affects all platforms, it is not the PC developers mass migrating to console fantasy the fanboys have dreamt up. While noting that a game is not exclusive to PC anymore; just perhaps you should also note all the console games that are also no longer exclusive?

Of course it stinks for PC the most because a constantly evolving platform is chained to the weakest console components, typical PC gaming hardware far surpasses consoles but console limitations being factored into game design leaves these capabilities ignored. That's an impact of cross platform development, just like the individual merits of the consoles get ignored, it's not a sign of one platform being hated on more than the others.

Trust fanboys to twist a mutually annoying situation into consoles > PC :roll:

You don't notice much a difference because graphics are starting to approach there limits. Games wont look all that much better next generation. I'm pretty sure of that. Dahaka-UK

We are nowhere near the limits, we are not seeing improvements because games are still being based around static hardware.

Seeing as I don't game on PCs, I say oh well. Keep blaming consoles for developer choices though. It'll change things.SpruceCaboose

You know if noobs stopped buying console game there would a better games being released?

[QUOTE="obamanian"]

[QUOTE="ducati101"]obamanian, please dont give games that still have'nt come out yet as examples.If by saying 360 can keep up easily with pc,you mean they have more or less the same type of games then your right about that.Thats all im afraid.yowtfyowtfyo

Actually 360 gets all the best looking PC games in 2009, and considering the very best are made with 360 in mind, they will look about same with minor differences

So, with a 360 you get the best visuals in 2009

Dude back in the day pc gaming was so amazing man so many no name developers making kick ass games it was crazy.

there's actually a pc rental store where i live called DC software i dunno if they still in business, but i remember renting games back in the day.

but they had so many kick ass pc games i never even heard of ..now the pc selection of games seems to suck.

nothing actually feels like real pc games anymore., i remember walking inside of dc one day and this guy was playing this kick ass racing game with a controller i forgot the racers name but it was pc racer.

pc gaming felt amazing back in the day.

Actually, when DX11 comes out PC games will kill consoles.clyde46

The exact same thing that happened to DX10 will happen to DX11, cross platform games have to work on all platforms so they won't utilize it :x

Consoles have become a giant bottleneck on progress, it is going to come back to bite them when they go to Nvidia/ATI for handouts next gen; only to find hardware hasn't advanced as quickly as last gen.

oh yea..DC software is a computer only place it's like the size of a gamestop with nothing but pc games to rent lol they fixed pc also.

that ruled that pc only store had so many games....pc gaming definitely was more amazing along time ago.

especially when i didnt know much about pc's.

[QUOTE="blues35301"][QUOTE="IronBass"]

If they do that, they would have to cut a big piece of the game's budget if they expect to make profit of such a small market.

That would hit the game's quality a lot more than your so-called "consolization".

IronBass

Im talking about things like lean being taken out. And the AI being worse than the first FEAR from 2005. Budget doesnt have to do with that. What did they lose their AI code and have to start from scratch?

[QUOTE="IronBass"]Where did I said that? I just said that the budget of a game meant to be multiplat is (usually) bigger than the one from an exclusive, since the profit expected is much bigger. If you think FEAR 2 has problems for being a multiplat, there's a big possibility that it would have had more problems being exclusive.DOF_power

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^ No if it would have been a PC (timed) exclusive, because the first FEAR has the things done properly.

The issues of FEAR 2 are clearly coming from console issues like the lack of a proper lean-peak & prone cover system, no quicksave-quickload, dumbed physics, dumbed AI, dumbed interface, dumbed controls/reduced mouse mapping.

It literaly screams no M/K as standard control choice, little to no branch predictor, small amount of RAM issues that the PS3/360 have.

I started pc gaming in about 1993 or 1994..my mom bought this custom built pc from a marine at garage sale.

i didnt know crap about pc hardware then, i still dont know the specs to my first pc

but i remember going to DC software and renting a bunch of kick ass pc games like rise of the triad lol.

[QUOTE="clyde46"]Actually, when DX11 comes out PC games will kill consoles.AnnoyedDragon

The exact same thing that happened to DX10 will happen to DX11, cross platform games have to work on all platforms so they won't utilize it :x

Consoles have become a giant bottleneck on progress, it is going to come back to bite them when they go to Nvidia/ATI for handouts next gen; only to find hardware hasn't advanced as quickly as last gen.

Seriously i miss pc gaming.....foreal im not lying pc had so many amazing games along time ago being released.

it really makes me sad it's nothing compared to how good it used to be.

DX10 was badly coded into Vista. MS is pushing DX11 with Windows 7.clyde46

There was nothing wrong with DX10, that is just the impression people get from its application in games.

What set DX10 apart was cutting backwards compatibility. DX9 still has to consider compatibility all the way back with DX7, DX10 is designed from the ground up to be a modern graphics API and brings many performance improvement with it. But these improvements are only seen if you build a game to be DX10 from the ground up, if you build a DX9 game and add DX10 on top of that then the benefits of cutting backwards compatibility are negated.

Even if Vista was popular we still wouldn't see DX10 native games, a DX10 native game wouldn't work on consoles; which of course goes against the cross platform trend developers are taking today.

I'm expecting the exact same thing to happen to DX11, even if Windows 7 use is widespread and everyone has DX11 compatible hardware; consoles will always restrict its use in most games.

consoles ruined

unreal

quake

soldier of fortune

fear

yowtfyowtfyo

The elder scrolls series

tom clancys rainbow six series

Deus ex series

[QUOTE="yowtfyowtfyo"]

consoles ruined

unreal

quake

soldier of fortune

fear

SamiRDuran

The elder scrolls series

tom clancys rainbow six series

Deus ex series

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"][QUOTE="yowtfyowtfyo"]

consoles ruined

unreal

quake

soldier of fortune

fear

blues35301

The elder scrolls series

tom clancys rainbow six series

Deus ex series

lol i feel like a grandpa around here, i cannot believe people actually enjoy the games being released today LOL.

Maybe my standards are too high? i dunno but i know one thing the pc gaming market and even console.

they seem to lack really good first person shooters, they pretty much suck now.

Link to back that up please.clyde46

Crytek did a lot of bawwing a while back, everyone was happy regarding Crysis sales but them. When EA last released figures the game had sold 1.5 million copies; which EA said exceeded their expectations. Not Crytek, Crytek wanted millions in sales from a game with a 8800 requirement just to play it on high.

Here is one link where they said they were basing their future on consoles, though they whine about consoles holding them back. Frankly Crytek is the whiniest games company I have come across, they don't seem happy anywhere.

Maybe my standards are too high? yowtfyowtfyo

Well I just installed FEAR 2, played for a few minutes, and then uninstalled it. The controls are completely FUBAR (you have to use arrow keys and spacebar to navigate through menus WTF?) and the graphics are nothing special. I was getting 75 fps on maximum settings 4xAA on a E6300 2.8ghz, 2gb ram, HD 2900pro.

The AI is worse too, they just run straight at you blasting away instead of using cover and flanking and teamwork.

[QUOTE="blues35301"][QUOTE="SamiRDuran"] add these as well:

The elder scrolls series

tom clancys rainbow six series

Deus ex series

clyde46

[QUOTE="Master-Thief-09"]Console? Dont you mean consoles* Its hard to argue otherwise, that three systems is better than one. [QUOTE="blues35301"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]Just means the PC exclusives stand out more against multiplats. Whats wrong with that.skrat_01

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Seeing as I don't game on PCs, I say oh well. Keep blaming consoles for developer choices though. It'll change things.yowtfyowtfyo

You know if noobs stopped buying console game there would a better games being released?

Well I just installed FEAR 2, played for a few minutes, and then uninstalled it. The controls are completely FUBAR (you have to use arrow keys and spacebar to navigate through menus WTF?) and the graphics are nothing special. I was getting 75 fps on maximum settings 4xAA on a E6300 2.8ghz, 2gb ram, HD 2900pro.

The AI is worse too, they just run straight at you blasting away instead of using cover and flanking and teamwork.

Wartzay

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"][QUOTE="yowtfyowtfyo"]

consoles ruined

unreal

quake

soldier of fortune

fear

blues35301

The elder scrolls series

tom clancys rainbow six series

Deus ex series

consoles ruined

unreal

quake

soldier of fortune

fear

yowtfyowtfyo

I'll add Rainbow Six

probably The Elder Scrolls but im not sure about it.

Call of Duty also, but just a little .

[QUOTE="Wartzay"]

Well I just installed FEAR 2, played for a few minutes, and then uninstalled it. The controls are completely FUBAR (you have to use arrow keys and spacebar to navigate through menus WTF?) and the graphics are nothing special. I was getting 75 fps on maximum settings 4xAA on a E6300 2.8ghz, 2gb ram, HD 2900pro.

The AI is worse too, they just run straight at you blasting away instead of using cover and flanking and teamwork.

DragonfireXZ95

Well I just installed FEAR 2, played for a few minutes, and then uninstalled it. The controls are completely FUBAR (you have to use arrow keys and spacebar to navigate through menus WTF?) and the graphics are nothing special. I was getting 75 fps on maximum settings 4xAA on a E6300 2.8ghz, 2gb ram, HD 2900pro.

The AI is worse too, they just run straight at you blasting away instead of using cover and flanking and teamwork.

Wartzay

[QUOTE="yowtfyowtfyo"]

consoles ruined

unreal

quake

soldier of fortune

fear

SamiRDuran

The elder scrolls series

tom clancys rainbow six series

Deus ex series

Factually the Rainbow Six series got a lot better with the jump to the 360.

The Gaming Industry is still an industry about making money. Right now consoles are were the mo-nay is at.

Also piracy is easiest on the PC and that is part of the problem when it comes to making sales....

Emaldon69

bump for those hermits who just don't seem to understand how the world works...