This PC to console cross platform stuff REALLY is hurting pc games as a whole.

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"][QUOTE="yowtfyowtfyo"]

consoles ruined

unreal

quake

soldier of fortune

fear

Emaldon69

The elder scrolls series

tom clancys rainbow six series

Deus ex series

Factually the Rainbow Six series got a lot better with the jump to the 360.

[QUOTE="Emaldon69"][QUOTE="SamiRDuran"] add these as well:

The elder scrolls series

tom clancys rainbow six series

Deus ex series

millerlight89

Factually the Rainbow Six series got a lot better with the jump to the 360.

I seem to know more than you ; O

The PC versions of Rainbow Six games as well as pretty much all other Tom Clancy games were not nearly up to par as the 360 versions.

Not my fault though, consoles have make much higher profits and so the effort to make each version was divided up to reflect this potential.

Frankly Crytek is the whiniest games company I have come across, they don't seem happy anywhere.

AnnoyedDragon

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="Emaldon69"]

Factually the Rainbow Six series got a lot better with the jump to the 360.

Emaldon69

I seem to know more than you ; O

The PC versions of Rainbow Six games as well as pretty much all other Tom Clancy games were not nearly up to par as the 360 versions.

Not my fault though, consoles have make much higher profits and so the effort to make each version was divided up to reflect this potential.

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^ The multiplat games will only be as strong as the weakest link. And with consoles having inferior controls, less memory, inferior cpu branching-predicting and inferior gpu capabilities the multiplat will be really weak.

There are plenty of such examples.

Im sorry but did you say consoles cant handle the original fear on max? Funny because fear 2 looks better then the original regardless of what platform you play it on. Also if Bioshock sucks so bad why was it one of the highest rated pc games last year.Polaris_choice

pc gaming used to be alot better.

dev's need to get their head out of their ass.

only a few real pc only devs left.

It's actually the casual console gamers that are hurting pc gaming....if people werent buying crappy console games...we'd have some real pc games.

the kids are killing gaming and dont even realize it.

the problem is less and less pc exclusives, due to piracy, ....world69star69

its all the console gamers fault the whole video game industry is stagnet LOL...it feels like we are stuck in time...we arent evolving at all.

the games in 2009 ....feel like pc games from 2004.

LOL consoles are holding back pc gameplay and graphics.

It's not so much playstation 3 or wii's fault....it's that goddamn portbox360 hurting pc gaming the most.

It's not so much playstation 3 or wii's fault....it's that goddamn portbox360 hurting pc gaming the most.

yowtfyowtfyo

ps3 ruined unreal tournament 3 though

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Frankly Crytek is the whiniest games company I have come across, they don't seem happy anywhere.

zaigham_riaz

They expected mainstream sale numbers from the high end gaming market, you would think people in a games development company would know better.

I feel for them but they are going to have to make a decision. They are making no fans going on about abandoning their existing audience for not providing the sales they wanted; only to complain the bigger audience doesn't have the technology they want access to.

[QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

What? If games on any platform is simple then 1 - Wii no doubt but thats not the topic here. 2 - PC games.

All graphics, no depth, all those who does are multiplatforms.

And besides the word 'simple' in your statement I have no idea what you're talking about

Planeforger

• PC games still have the most depth (Compare any console shooter/RPG to, say, STALKER. Compare any console RPG to The Witcher. Compare just about any console game to games like Galactic Civilisations 2).
• "All graphics, no depth" refers to this gen as a whole.
• Multiplatform games tend to be even more simplistic than exclusive games, for whatever reason (for example, Fallout 1 and 2 - PC exclusives, huge depth; Fallout 3 - multiplat, shallow).

The only game that pushes pc tech is Crysis.

blues35301

have you seen how Fallout3 looks like at that resolution? or even @1680x1050? There's nothing marginal about itducati101

[QUOTE="blues35301"]The only game that pushes pc tech is Crysis.

Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="blues35301"]The only game that pushes pc tech is Crysis.

nmaharg

"Max-out" Huh?

Let's see:

• Assassin's Creed
• GTA IV
• World in Conflict
• Sins of a Solar Empire
• Stalker: Clear Sky
• Medieval 2: Total War
• Medieval 2 Total War Kingdms
• Fallout 3
• Far Cry 2
• Grid
• Company of Heroes
• Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts
• Mass Effect
• Microsoft Flight Simulator
• Dead Space
• Left For Dead

Piracy is what's killing the PC as a platform. Developers have little incentive to create a AAA PC exclusives that are just going to get ripped off. It's only practical to release games on multiple platforms. Piracy among consoles is a needle in the haystack of the PC piracy scene.

Piracy is what's killing the PC as a platform. Developers have little incentive to create a AAA PC exclusives that are just going to get ripped off. It's only practical to release games on multiple platforms. Piracy among consoles is a needle in the haystack of the PC piracy scene.

Johnny-n-Roger

Strange how you consider a game not exclusive to PC being a result of piracy; but take no note to the fact that these games are not exclusive to consoles either. In fact despite piracy PC still has the most AAA and AA exclusives.

People need to stop looking at cross platform games as saying something negative about PC, all they are is developers spreading their games to reach the largest possible audience; that is all.

[QUOTE="Johnny-n-Roger"]

Piracy is what's killing the PC as a platform. Developers have little incentive to create a AAA PC exclusives that are just going to get ripped off. It's only practical to release games on multiple platforms. Piracy among consoles is a needle in the haystack of the PC piracy scene.

AnnoyedDragon

Strange how you consider a game not exclusive to PC being a result of piracy; but take no note to the fact that these games are not exclusive to consoles either. In fact despite piracy PC still has the most AAA and AA exclusives.

People need to stop looking at cross platform games as saying something negative about PC, all they are is developers spreading their games to reach the largest possible audience; that is all.

The original poster is trying to say that instead of games being dumbed down and ported to consoles, it feels like more and more games are being ported to the PC from consoles. I was saying that it's no suprise devs cater to console gamers, being there is alot more money in console releases than on the PC.

Maybe if hermits actually BOUGHT their games instead of pirating them, FEAR would still be a PC exclusive franchise.Pdiddy105

Maybe if hermits actually BOUGHT their games instead of pirating them, FEAR would still be a PC exclusive franchise.Pdiddy105

[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]You don't play -- or have seen -- many PC games, eh mate? :roll: Stevo_the_gamer

"Max-out" Huh?

Let's see:

• Assassin's Creed
• GTA IV
• World in Conflict
• Sins of a Solar Empire
• Stalker: Clear Sky
• Medieval 2: Total War
• Medieval 2 Total War Kingdms
• Fallout 3
• Far Cry 2
• Grid
• Company of Heroes
• Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts
• Mass Effect
• Microsoft Flight Simulator
• Dead Space
• Left For Dead

[QUOTE="Pdiddy105"]Maybe if hermits actually BOUGHT their games instead of pirating them, FEAR would still be a PC exclusive franchise.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Pdiddy105"]Maybe if hermits actually BOUGHT their games instead of pirating them, FEAR would still be a PC exclusive franchise.Stevo_the_gamer

Apparently a huge chunk of them do, since the PC version of most multiplatform games seems to sell much less on PC.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Pdiddy105"]Maybe if hermits actually BOUGHT their games instead of pirating them, FEAR would still be a PC exclusive franchise.Pdiddy105

Apparently a huge chunk of them do, since the PC version of most multiplatform games seems to sell much less on PC.

Yeah, because all hermits pirate their games. :roll:Stevo_the_gamer

Apparently a huge chunk of them do, since the PC version of most multiplatform games seems to sell much less on PC.

I am not in denial, piracy is a big problem, but so is getting dumbed down console games ;)millerlight89

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="nmaharg"] Hes kinda right. Maybe add stalker in there, but not much can't be maxed on my almost 2 year old 8800 gt. I remember after 1 year my 9800 pro was no good. Hardware is kicking softwares butt right now. millerlight89

"Max-out" Huh?

Let's see:

• Assassin's Creed
• GTA IV
• World in Conflict
• Sins of a Solar Empire
• Stalker: Clear Sky
• Medieval 2: Total War
• Medieval 2 Total War Kingdms
• Fallout 3
• Far Cry 2
• Grid
• Company of Heroes
• Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts
• Mass Effect
• Microsoft Flight Simulator
• Dead Space
• Left For Dead

And those were just off the tp of my head, your 9800 GT could NOT max those games out.

My 9800gx2 has trouble maxing those games out.

[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]You don't play -- or have seen -- many PC games, eh mate? :roll: Stevo_the_gamer

"Max-out" Huh?

Let's see:

• Assassin's Creed
• GTA IV
• World in Conflict
• Sins of a Solar Empire
• Stalker: Clear Sky
• Medieval 2: Total War
• Medieval 2 Total War Kingdms
• Fallout 3
• Far Cry 2
• Grid
• Company of Heroes
• Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts
• Mass Effect
• Microsoft Flight Simulator
• Dead Space
• Left For Dead

[QUOTE="Pdiddy105"]Maybe if hermits actually BOUGHT their games instead of pirating them, FEAR would still be a PC exclusive franchise.Johnny-n-Roger

You have no proof of that, and it's likely that PC "exclusive" franchises today would still go multiplat anyway - production costs are skyrocketing, and there are only two ways to remedy that - multiplat the games, creating an extra risk for some potential rewards (if the ports don't sell well enough, then the costs of porting might go to waste), or use DD - much higher profit margins as a tradeoff for some loss of customers.

Valve does both, in case you haven't noticed. The PC isn't the only system losing exclusives to other systems.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="robflores370"]I could care less since I game mainly on consoles anyway. Maybe if pc gamers would buy more games instead of playing the same ones for 10 years more devs would cater to them. Consoles are where the money is at.DeathScape666

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

"Max-out" Huh?

Let's see:

• Assassin's Creed
• GTA IV
• World in Conflict
• Sins of a Solar Empire
• Stalker: Clear Sky
• Medieval 2: Total War
• Medieval 2 Total War Kingdms
• Fallout 3
• Far Cry 2
• Grid
• Company of Heroes
• Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts
• Mass Effect
• Microsoft Flight Simulator
• Dead Space
• Left For Dead

And those were just off the tp of my head, your 9800 GT could NOT max those games out. PS3_3DO

My 9800gx2 has trouble maxing those games out.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="nmaharg"] Hes kinda right. Maybe add stalker in there, but not much can't be maxed on my almost 2 year old 8800 gt. I remember after 1 year my 9800 pro was no good. Hardware is kicking softwares butt right now. millerlight89

"Max-out" Huh?

Let's see:

• Assassin's Creed
• GTA IV
• World in Conflict
• Sins of a Solar Empire
• Stalker: Clear Sky
• Medieval 2: Total War
• Medieval 2 Total War Kingdms
• Fallout 3
• Far Cry 2
• Grid
• Company of Heroes
• Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts
• Mass Effect
• Microsoft Flight Simulator
• Dead Space
• Left For Dead

[QUOTE="Emaldon69"][QUOTE="SamiRDuran"] add these as well:

The elder scrolls series

tom clancys rainbow six series

Deus ex series

millerlight89

Factually the Rainbow Six series got a lot better with the jump to the 360.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

"Max-out" Huh?

Let's see:

• Assassin's Creed
• GTA IV
• World in Conflict
• Sins of a Solar Empire
• Stalker: Clear Sky
• Medieval 2: Total War
• Medieval 2 Total War Kingdms
• Fallout 3
• Far Cry 2
• Grid
• Company of Heroes
• Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts
• Mass Effect
• Microsoft Flight Simulator
• Dead Space
• Left For Dead

And those were just off the tp of my head, your 9800 GT could NOT max those games out. lowe0

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

"Max-out" Huh?

Let's see:

• Medieval 2: Total War
• Fallout 3
• Dead Space
• Left For Dead

And those were just off the tp of my head, your 9800 GT could NOT max those games out. millerlight89

Other than a few I havent played and stalker I do max all those games. You know very little about PC hardware eh?nmaharg

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

"Max-out" Huh?

Let's see:

• Medieval 2: Total War
• Fallout 3
• Dead Space
• Left For Dead

And those were just off the tp of my head, your 9800 GT could NOT max those games out. Saturos3091