Those who said the X1X GPU is a match for the 1070 come forward and apologize

daww look at poor quackknight has absolutely no counter argument.

you're pretty much backed into a wall at this point, what's your next response?

"bbut teh lems are butthurt!!"

I see the stress is really starting to get to a particular Sony fanny. The hurt is so bad he doesn't know what to do with himself. Oh, I forgot, hide behind PC when your console is no longer a powerhouse. LMAO. With all dem games you will think there would be an aversion to salt. LOL. With all dem games you will think specs didn't matter but it seems like it matters A LOT.

@moosewayne: Hey buddy no need to be asshurt your XboneX chokes at 1080p with Gears 4. Go take it up with MS not me. I didn’t force you to spend $500 on a potato.

Where is that Xbox One X Ramuh gif? Oh there it is

@FLOPPAGE_50: Except the entire point of this thread was to call out/laugh at the idiots who thought the X1X was going to be on par with a GTX 1070 lol.

it was only Ron that said that as far as I know.

So I guess he should be honored he riled up a horde of cows/hermits.

@quadknight: Plays great 4K or 1080p. Must have missed the choke part.

what facts, a video without conclusive facts, they didn't even mention what pc they were using lmao, the benchmarks show that the gtx 1070 can't handle 4k , and this with monster cpu's. This thread is hilarious.

Go play your shitty playstation and stop hiding behind the pc

@appariti0n: Don’t mind him. ? In his eyes they are still winning even when they are being laughed at and loosing arguments. Only Lems will try and spin an epic loss into a win. The most pathetic fanboys on SW for sure. Getting destroyed in SW for all these years has made them lose their damn minds.

You say the same thing over and over LOL

More than just Ron, but he was certainly the main one.

Also, hermits aren't comparing it to a high end PC. The more realistic comparison is slapping a GTX 1060 into a 5+ year old office computer used mostly for simply accounting.

40-70 percent more resolution, I know one thing, we are not the ones losing lmao

Let me tell you his answer

"Lems are butthurt! they are a SW joke! Gears chokes!! Rekt!!1"

LOL it's like a video stuck on a loop

Whatever, PC is still better.

oh get of your high horse, you got slaughtered in your silly coffee vs kaby lake thread and you will be slaughtered again if you join those silly cows.

obligatory duh

nothing touches a PC with a GTX 1080+

it reminded me of this lol

The only person around here who routinely gets slaughtered is the one who:

Doesn't know people stopped using internet explorer like 10 years ago, yet claims to be an IT professional.

Draws stupid anti-PC images in Mario Paint, is proud of them, posts them, and proceeds to get rekt by the entirety of system wars.

Thinks that any time you want to chat on PC you need to install your mic from scratch, and swap between 6 different programs.

Oh, and since you mentioned the whole kaby lake vs coffee lake argument. Let's summarize.

You were claiming the 8600K would come along and DESTROY the 7700K. Well, here's some news for you. The 8600K has been on the market more than long enough for enough users to submit benchmarks. Let's take a look shall we?

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-Intel-Core-i5-8600K/3647vs3941

What now? You going to claim that 386 user benchmarks isn't enough yet?

Or that the comparison is rigged? (This is a summary of many 3d performance benchmarks and games.)

Or that 101% vs 106% in gaming performance is your definition of DESTROYED?

Maybe you'll claim that the 7700k was overclocked, and the 8600K wasn't? (They both are)

What now, report me to the mods again for making you look like a moron?

LOL and you posted that idiotic Mario Paint drawn image your so proud of just as I was typing this up.

I think I get it now. You like it when all of SW spanks you, don't you, ya naughty boy?

LOLOLOL.

@commander said:

@Jebus213 said:

Whatever, PC is still better.

2005 wants it's problems back.

? You lems miss a lot of things in life, that's why you guys bought an Xbone in the first place for $500 and claimed 720p was okay for the past 4 years.

Here you go, it starts choking at the 6:31 mark....

? "plays great".

? Keep burying your head in the sand lem

No it is set closer to a 1060. The 29.1 at 4k is native 4k which Xbox can't do. If Xbox one x was native 4k for AC then it would be around 15-20 fps which would put it in line with a 1060. And imagine if you upped the settings to ultra. lol

you are talking the very low which was a probably a 0.1% of what was benchmarked.

That is one of the dumbest things I have ever read. "What makes the Xbox One X a true 4k console is that is runs your games better than any other console." No one is disagreeing it is the most powerful console. However it shouldn't even have 4k anywhere near it as it really can't achieve it very often.

@appariti0n said:

@commander said:

oh get of your high horse, you got slaughtered in your silly coffee vs kaby lake thread and you will be slaughtered again if you join those silly cows.

The only person around here who routinely gets slaughtered is the one who:

Doesn't know people stopped using internet explorer like 10 years ago, yet claims to be an IT professional.

Draws stupid anti-PC images in Mario Paint, is proud of them, posts them, and proceeds to get rekt by the entirety of system wars.

Thinks that any time you want to chat on PC you need to install your mic from scratch, and swap between 6 different programs.

Oh, and since you mentioned the whole kaby lake vs coffee lake argument. Let's summarize.

You were claiming the 8600K would come along and DESTROY the 7700K. Well, here's some news for you. The 8600K has been on the market more than long enough for enough users to submit benchmarks. Let's take a look shall we?

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-Intel-Core-i5-8600K/3647vs3941

What now? You going to claim that 386 user benchmarks isn't enough yet?

Or that the comparison is rigged? (This is a summary of many 3d performance benchmarks and games.)

Or that 101% vs 106% in gaming performance is your definition of DESTROYED?

Maybe you'll claim that the 7700k was overclocked, and the 8600K wasn't? (They both are)

What now, report me to the mods again for making you look like a moron?

LOL and you posted that idiotic Mario Paint drawn image your so proud of just as I was typing this up.

I think I get it now. You like it when all of SW spanks you, don't you, ya naughty boy?

LOLOLOL.

100 000 benchmarks vs 386, really? and this with what sort of games, let me guess, games that are optimized for quad cores.

you would make statistic professors cry.

Isn't it past your bedtime?

Can all the console guys stop comparing Very High settings and the performance there with the X1X framerate... The X1X is not running the game at Very High settings. Its clear as day in the video.

Oh the GTX 1070 on the highest settings gets this amount of frames... LULULUL, please the X1X has lower draw distance, ambient occlusion and lower shadow quality and runs at 1650-1800p and still drops to 15-20FPS when things get tough.

The 1070 4K gets 30FPS on Very High.... X1X seems to run at high-very high settings at 1650-1800p 30FPS. I don't see how that can be seen as a win for the X1X.

Well as far as it seems xbox one x sits between 1060 6gb and 1070 8gb.

1070 >> xbox one x >>>> 1060 6gb

Who cares if its not a fair comparison? do I have to pair a freakin AMD-Athlon II X4 to make the comparison "fair"? why would a PC gamer be obligated to do that? if I can fit an i5 or even an i7 in a $500 biuld then why shouldn't i do it? the lems boasted so much about how the Xbox ONE X is gonna perform on par with high end machines (meaning machines above the $500 mark) with high end GPUs, thats all that matters.

In dreamland someone would pair an Athlon II with a GTX 1070, but here in reality, No bloody PC gamer with a super weak and out dated CPU will pair it with a GTX 1070, anybody with a CPU thats weaker than an i5 2500 would NEVER consider getting a GTX 1070 due to bottleneck. maybe MS shouldn't have picked such a weak CPU in the first place? sure MAYBE the Xbox ONE X's GPU alone is on par with a GTX 1070, but its not alone, its not even a GPU or CPU combo, its an APU, and the benchmark shows what its capable of, simple as that, so whats there to discuss? talking about CPUs and GPUs is purely hypothetical talk, and I already told Ron, I'm only interested in REAL WORLD results, theoretical benchmarks means NOTHING to me, and more importantly, it means nothing to the one buying the product.

MS decided to use an APU setup where the CPU limits the GPU, so whats done is done, and the lems blabbed their mouths when they shouldn't have, so now its open season. Fact is, The frame rates have been shown, Xbox ONE X barely holds non native 4k at 30fps, while a PC with a GTX 1070 can do native 4k at similar settings at 40fps. If anything the Xbobx ONE X is on par with a build that includes a GTX 1060 (which i do very carefully recall telling Ron, but he started blabbering rubbish with his charts after that, as usual) and now the day of reckoning has come, so apologize already Ron, you and the other lemmings.

As for the DF video, they actually mentions that the resolution hovers between 1600p and 1800p, none of which are native 4k (2160p). The details can be compared if you watch other videos, heer is a video by XPLANE 787 show casing the different graphical settings:

If you watch the videos closely and compare it with the DF video (special attention to the shadow) you can deduce that the Xbox ONE X's settings hovers between medium and high. and given how the game is taxing on the CPU I'm willing to bet that its mostly on the medium settings, not that it matters, even if its on High, a GTX 1070 can do 30fps at native 4k at settings hovering between High and Ultra, that should give you a clear idea of the Xbox ONE X's claim of having near GTX 1070 performance (that is to say, no where near at all).

Well when people say that the xboxone x will match gtx 1070 performance, they were obviously not talking about the cpu, the fact that it is on one chip doesn't change much. Now you're moving goalposts.

It's quite obvious that ac origins likes beefy cpu's

More cores defenitely help, but the cpu speed stays a major factor across the board, and the cpu in the xboxone x is a lot slower than the cpu's they use in benchmarks.

I have an I3 4170 paired with a gtx 970. It powers my vr headset quite well. If the xboxone x can power the games good enough, then what's to complain about, a ryzen cpu would have driven up the price and they have workarounds so it doesn't bottleneck the gpu.

That's why this was a discussion you could never win, like you said, if you would use a similar cpu as the xboxone x, it would choke the 1070. Even if you would compare 4k benchmarks there's no way of knowing how much cpu tasks the xboxone x has transferred to the gpu. You can only do it by pairing the gtx 1070 with a similar cpu, and then we come back again to the choking part...

But even then, it's obvious that the xboxx custom gpu is stronger than a 1060 when you look at the difference between the ps4 pro and the xboxone x. It pushes resolutions as far as 96 percent higher This while it should only be 40 percent stronger when looking at the raw power, but the xboxone x has optimizations in place, something ms does with every console to push it beyond it's raw specs.

It's something that df saw and that the ark dev saw as well. Digital foundry paddled back, but apparently they don't know microsofts history. There a reason why they didn't mention their pc specs in this video. The word is that ac origins is the most demanding game to date.

and maybe you should have listened more closely, the dynamic resolution goes from 1800p all the way up to above 2000p.

X1X is performing pretty close to a 1070 which is what was expected. its closer to a 1070 than it is to a 1060. cant beat the price value

Is that what people really believe?

Dude it's as powerful as a standard 1060 6GB with a cpu that my schlong could outperform designed to output fauxK (MSs so called 'True 4K').

Yea it's sad. MS brainwashing does wonders. Even now that we have benchmarks proving the XboneX is nowhere near a 1070 some people are still posting this nonsense. Shit is basically a 1060. I personally think a PC with a 1060 could even outperform it in a lot of games.

Some individuals tell lies to themselves to justify the purchase.

If they had experience with gaming PC's, then they would know this is not true.

@Juub1990:

But but but wet track alpha effects...lol

My god damn disaster i am missing all this fun..

gtx 1060 6gb in europe 315€

pentium g4560 95€

case + 3 fans 45€

motherboard ddr4 75€

ram 8gb ddr4 75€ (Id recommend 16gb since one x has 12 but hey Im doing a cheap pc to rival one x so Im going cheap parts)

hdd 1tb sata III 52€

keyboard+mouse trash 21€ (no real gamer use those unless they have 0€ on bank account but hey lets play pretend)

controller (optional so not gonna buy it)

windows 10 kingwin 25€ (no official support from microsoft since I got that on my pc and when it suddently says my license expiered for no reason I contacted microsoft and they told me: contact your supplier kingwin not us) well if anything happens support will keep its doors closed.

(xbox one x also has wifi and 4k hdr drive but pc gamera will say we dont need any of these in order to fight console price)

So lets calculate:

315 + 95 + 45 + 75 + 75 + 52 + 21+ 25 (with no wifi. no 4k hdr optical. cheapest kb+ms. 8gb ram kingwin windows) will cost: 703€

So a pc with lots of edges cut here and there to make it competitive in price will cost 203€ more than one x.

if you add wifi. gaming kb+ms. 4k optical drive. 16gb ram. it will go up to almost 1000 and if you add windows 10 from microsoft then its a bit more than 1000€ making pc twice the price (but hey hey hey pc gamers will cut price max possible to talk trash about one x)

Oh and also in several games one x performs better than 1060 but pc gamers again will defend the opposite.

PC always works out cheaper over a 12 month period as games generally tend to be cheaper..... and it all adds up ;)

Poor, poor, Pee Salty Seas....

I almost, almost mind you, feel sorry for'em. lolololol :P

Has anyone apologised yet?

Let’s get this to 20 pages for TC. Who’s with me????

Yeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!

@lrdfancypants:

20,..... 20???? Lets get this bad boy to.....

88

Or...

1.21 gigs. lololol:P

I was wondering when you'd be back. Hope you guys are okay over there. :-)

PC is also better for anybody who isn't a complete fucking idiot.

@pcmasterrace69 said:

But it's not a smart argument. On a PC you can literally do anything you want, a console, you can do about 3 things. Because of this, people don't mind as much spending more on a PC. If my computer was out of date and I'm buying a new one, I'm easily giving myself a £700 budget. But buying a £450+ console just for games is different. Seems more wasteful, that's why traditionally consoles tended to stay under the £400 mark as much as possible, because people aren't willing to shell out past a certain point.

Then over the course of a year, there's a role reversal with the PC becoming much cheaper with software, and console gamers getting milked from there on in £40+ games + £25 season passes + subscriptions. My Xbox 360 console was cheaper too, please believe during the gen I probably wasted more money on that than anything else. As a console gamer I was milked, I'll admit it.

And this entry cost advantage will last what, 3 months, 6 months? New cheaper PC hardware is coming in all the time. So for PC gamers I don't really think this argument carries much weight outside of forums. It seems like a shallow upfront cost argument.

@SecretPolice:

TC gets back to the future and sees everything in Xbox green and the center of town has a giant casino called Phil Tower running nothing but 4k/60 FPS Games.

@lrdfancypants:

Literally, I mean it, Laughed Out Loud.... Thanks!!! :)

@SecretPolice:

And his mom is now married to Phil!!

Lol

@lrdfancypants:

ZOMG..,Stop it man, again, LMAO and people are saying I'm having too much fun at work. lol... Good stuff. :D

@SecretPolice:

The best part is when he thinks he goes back again only to find out he is not really in the Old West but in the main lobby of Phil’s Tower playing RDR2 in glorious 4k/60FPS with Phil’s newly released VR helmet on.

@lrdfancypants:

Poor TC..... He's now in with the cows and their......

... SW manure :P

@lrdfancypants: lol nice.