Those who said the X1X GPU is a match for the 1070 come forward and apologize

gtx 1060 6gb in europe 315€

pentium g4560 95€

case + 3 fans 45€

motherboard ddr4 75€

ram 8gb ddr4 75€ (Id recommend 16gb since one x has 12 but hey Im doing a cheap pc to rival one x so Im going cheap parts)

hdd 1tb sata III 52€

keyboard+mouse trash 21€ (no real gamer use those unless they have 0€ on bank account but hey lets play pretend)

controller (optional so not gonna buy it)

windows 10 kingwin 25€ (no official support from microsoft since I got that on my pc and when it suddently says my license expiered for no reason I contacted microsoft and they told me: contact your supplier kingwin not us) well if anything happens support will keep its doors closed.

(xbox one x also has wifi and 4k hdr drive but pc gamera will say we dont need any of these in order to fight console price)

So lets calculate:

315 + 95 + 45 + 75 + 75 + 52 + 21+ 25 (with no wifi. no 4k hdr optical. cheapest kb+ms. 8gb ram kingwin windows) will cost: 703€

So a pc with lots of edges cut here and there to make it competitive in price will cost 203€ more than one x.

if you add wifi. gaming kb+ms. 4k optical drive. 16gb ram. it will go up to almost 1000 and if you add windows 10 from microsoft then its a bit more than 1000€ making pc twice the price (but hey hey hey pc gamers will cut price max possible to talk trash about one x)

Oh and also in several games one x performs better than 1060 but pc gamers again will defend the opposite.

I'll come forward and say the Scorpio CAN perform like a gtx 1070 based on the port of the game and the talent of a developer.

Scorpio's first party developed games have the graphical fidelity and performance of a GTX 1070 without a hindsight of doubt. Forza Motorsport 7, Gears of War 4 & Halo 5 all look Next Gen.

PC gamers do have an advantage in framerates at 1080p since Scorpio's CPU bottlenecks it. So ofcourse a GTX 1070 and the GTX 1060 easily defeats it at 1080p if it's combined with an i5/i7/ryzen

You are a blind PC user if you deny that the Xbox one X is one heck of an amazing technical feet for a console at 500$. Because it is, since the custom made 6Tflops 12GB GDDR5 Vaporchamber cooled AMD GPU at the Scorpio's core has also a lot of architectural improvements including a 384-bit interface (That's right, a RX 580 which everyone on this forum conpares it to just has 256-bit interface) and Vega induced improvements. On top of that we get the lovely software optimization and generous ram.

Conclusively, the Scorpio can run anywhere from a GTX 1060 to a GTX 1070 ONLY AT 4K based on the game and the optimization that is provided. Thank you Microsoft, you made console gaming exciting again.

/end thread

@SecretPolice said:

@jahnee said:

I'll come forward and say the Scorpio CAN perform like a gtx 1070 based on the port of the game and the talent of a developer.

Scorpio's first party developed games have the graphical fidelity and performance of a GTX 1070 without a hindsight of doubt. Forza Motorsport 7, Gears of War 4 & Halo 5 all look Next Gen.

PC gamers do have an advantage in framerates at 1080p since Scorpio's CPU bottlenecks it. So ofcourse a GTX 1070 and the GTX 1060 easily defeats it at 1080p if it's combined with an i5/i7/ryzen

You are a blind PC user if you deny that the Xbox one X is one heck of an amazing technical feet for a console at 500$. Because it is, since the custom made 6Tflops 12GB GDDR5 Vaporchamber cooled AMD GPU at the Scorpio's core has also a lot of architectural improvements including a 384-bit interface (That's right, a RX 580 which everyone on this forum conpares it to just has 256-bit interface) and Vega induced improvements. On top of that we get the lovely software optimization and generous ram.

Conclusively, the Scorpio can run anywhere from a GTX 1060 to a GTX 1070 ONLY AT 4K based on the game and the optimization that is provided. Thank you Microsoft, you made console gaming exciting again.

/end thread

Wait, am I supposed to apply the gold star to my butt? I tried the cream and it didn't work, so I have doubts that this will help.....

Careful now. You don't want to be branded a cow by telling lems this.

X1X is a monster that is equal to the GTX 1070, if you disagree you're a cow.

Let’s get this to 20 pages for TC. Who’s with me????

Yeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!

Has anyone apologised yet?

gtx 1060 6gb in europe 315€

pentium g4560 95€

case + 3 fans 45€

motherboard ddr4 75€

ram 8gb ddr4 75€ (Id recommend 16gb since one x has 12 but hey Im doing a cheap pc to rival one x so Im going cheap parts)

hdd 1tb sata III 52€

keyboard+mouse trash 21€ (no real gamer use those unless they have 0€ on bank account but hey lets play pretend)

controller (optional so not gonna buy it)

windows 10 kingwin 25€ (no official support from microsoft since I got that on my pc and when it suddently says my license expiered for no reason I contacted microsoft and they told me: contact your supplier kingwin not us) well if anything happens support will keep its doors closed.

(xbox one x also has wifi and 4k hdr drive but pc gamera will say we dont need any of these in order to fight console price)

So lets calculate:

315 + 95 + 45 + 75 + 75 + 52 + 21+ 25 (with no wifi. no 4k hdr optical. cheapest kb+ms. 8gb ram kingwin windows) will cost: 703€

So a pc with lots of edges cut here and there to make it competitive in price will cost 203€ more than one x.

if you add wifi. gaming kb+ms. 4k optical drive. 16gb ram. it will go up to almost 1000 and if you add windows 10 from microsoft then its a bit more than 1000€ making pc twice the price (but hey hey hey pc gamers will cut price max possible to talk trash about one x)

Oh and also in several games one x performs better than 1060 but pc gamers again will defend the opposite.

@SecretPolice:

And his mom is now married to Phil!!

Lol

gtx 1060 6gb in europe 315€

pentium g4560 95€

case + 3 fans 45€

motherboard ddr4 75€

ram 8gb ddr4 75€ (Id recommend 16gb since one x has 12 but hey Im doing a cheap pc to rival one x so Im going cheap parts)

hdd 1tb sata III 52€

keyboard+mouse trash 21€ (no real gamer use those unless they have 0€ on bank account but hey lets play pretend)

controller (optional so not gonna buy it)

windows 10 kingwin 25€ (no official support from microsoft since I got that on my pc and when it suddently says my license expiered for no reason I contacted microsoft and they told me: contact your supplier kingwin not us) well if anything happens support will keep its doors closed.

(xbox one x also has wifi and 4k hdr drive but pc gamera will say we dont need any of these in order to fight console price)

So lets calculate:

315 + 95 + 45 + 75 + 75 + 52 + 21+ 25 (with no wifi. no 4k hdr optical. cheapest kb+ms. 8gb ram kingwin windows) will cost: 703€

So a pc with lots of edges cut here and there to make it competitive in price will cost 203€ more than one x.

if you add wifi. gaming kb+ms. 4k optical drive. 16gb ram. it will go up to almost 1000 and if you add windows 10 from microsoft then its a bit more than 1000€ making pc twice the price (but hey hey hey pc gamers will cut price max possible to talk trash about one x)

Oh and also in several games one x performs better than 1060 but pc gamers again will defend the opposite.

Sucks for you. The region you live in has ridiculous prices. A G4560 can be had for 80$ CAD and last I checked the CAD was worth significantly less than the Euro. I did a build based around a 1060 and a G4560 and it ended up being 3$ less than the X1X.

Link? because you made me a build last week that was complete shit, and you did a lot of corner cutting.

I love how you add in all of these unnecessary incidentals like a blu ray drive, wifi, an additional 8 GB of ram on the PC side, even though 8GB system ram + 6GB on the GPU is perfectly fine.

Yet you make no mention of XBOX live subscription price over 3 or 4 years. I guess this comparison is only valid for folks wanting to play all of those amazing single player AAAE games that Xbox has to offer?

Oh wait.

@appariti0n said:

What now? You going to claim that 386 user benchmarks isn't enough yet?

@commander said:

100 000 benchmarks vs 386, really?

It's up to 397 now and growing every day. This is what happens when one product has been out for over a year longer than the other.

@appariti0n said:

Or that the comparison is rigged? (This is a summary of many 3d performance benchmarks and games.)

@commander said:

and this with what sort of games, let me guess, games that are optimized for quad cores.

Great job reading the whole post, though I can't say I'm surprised. You were too busy giggling over your little mario paint stick man drawing. You should print that and have mom put it on the fridge maybe.

Feel free to post your own 2 or 3 cherry picked games where the 8600K actually pulls ahead by more than 1-5%, I'll stick by the average of as many games as possible in order to determine overall gaming performance.

I don't know what you guys are arguing about but I will say this, the 7700K is a piece of dog shit. Anyone who has it now is feeling like garbage because they recently payed $350 for that obsolete trash. You said something about the 8600k, why aren't you talking about the 8700k? Everyone knows you buy the 8700k and never look back. However, I will say that the 8600k is miles better than the obsolete garbage 7700k.

Now go on with your little fight. I just thought I would point out the facts because I know you love to distort them.

It's still going to make a difference. As long as you don't have any benchmarks with a system that's more comparable to the xboxone x on the cpu , and the same settings, your argument is bs.

and that's exactly the case right now, the numbers are way too close.

also where's the hdr on the pc?

@Xplode_games: Imagine next gen consoles with GTX 1080TI and a ryzen cpu :')

@commander said:

@Juub1990 said:

@commander said:

Lol I'm not the idiot here.

http://www.pcgamer.com/assassins-creed-origins-103-update-helps-nvidia-owners-but-leaves-amd-behind/

Riddle me this. Is the 1070 NVIDIA or AMD?

Please stop commander.

please stop what, confronting you with the facts? you think amd cards and by that the xboxone x won't get updates as well?

I guess he has his fanboy goggles on. That patch was a game patch from Ubisoft and it improved performance for only Nvidia cards 10 to 15% while it left AMD cards the same or slightly worse. If that doesn't prove that this game is highly optimized for Nvidia cards by the developer on purpose, nothing will. After all of the evidence, all of the times I owned him in this very thread, he still ignores everything.

His last response to you was absurd. He wants to ignore biased optimization favoring Nvidia cards while twisting everything and dancing all over the place to try to hold together his fragile argument that constantly keeps falling apart on him.

I don't know what you guys are arguing about but I will say this, the 7700K is a piece of dog shit. Anyone who has it now is feeling like garbage because they recently payed $350 for that obsolete trash. You said something about the 8600k, why aren't you talking about the 8700k? Everyone knows you buy the 8700k and never look back. However, I will say that the 8600k is miles better than the obsolete garbage 7700k.

Now go on with your little fight. I just thought I would point out the facts because I know you love to distort them.

@quadknight said:

And? Is it gonna get a patch that will make it run Native 4K at Ultra PC Settings?

? How does this help your argument?

? Keep digging that hole deeper and deeper lem.

if you combine the gtx 1070 with a cpu like the xboxne it won't run it at 4k ultra settings either, heck it can barely do it combined with a much stronger cpu

5 pages later the fanboys rages on and you have the Sony fanny piggybacking. LOL. The One X continues to stress PC gamers and a select Sony fanboy. This shit is golden.

The argument doesn't even make sense anymore.

First it was cows bragging about 1080p over 900p (at this point PC already destroyed those specs)

Then the tables turned, and suddenly cows all start talking about PC specs.

XB1X is the best console on the market performance wise, it can do 4k/30 fps with a nice pricetag of 499, which no PC can do (herms have tried to build it and failed)

Now suddenly, Cows are running behind 1500 dollar PCs and bragging about how powerful they are, which is obviously a given, PCs always destroy consoles.

Theoretically the comparison should be between the XB1X vs the PS4 Pro.

Not the XB1X vs a 1500 dollar PC.

The cows really don't have any real way to win the argument so they run towards their computers, their only positive is "games" but cows do care about power, losing the power lead the PS4 had really increased the sodium levels.

From an outside perspective, the argument is beyond flawed.

As I said.. it should be XB1X vs PS4 Pro

Not XB1X vs a 1500 dollar PC with a GTX 1070/1080.

The hurt is real.

Hell...can you even buy a CPU for a PC that is as bad as the Xbox One X? That is how consoles are able to stay cheaper due to a CPU that has very little cost. As I PC gamer I know that I am going to spend more money to have an experience that is better than a console. We all know this but we want the best possible experience so we spend the money to have it. But as time goes on with our PC, we get things that are way cheaper and we can use ours for different ways. People always say that you have to buy windows 10 for $100+ which I bought mine for around $20 and I also bought Office Pro for around the same price. I also don't have to purchase the $50+ a year to play online. I also save around $20ish on launch day to buy the game. It can be sometimes more or sometimes less. This doesn't include as time goes on and prices drop lower for PCs. This is the reason that I switched from a console gamer to a PC gamer is when they announced these Pro and Scorpio editions. I think we will start to see this in the future as well with these mid gen upgrades.

It wasn't the cows that started the PC vs the Xbox1X. If was the xbox fanboys who started this as they started comparing it to a 1070. How did the cows start this?

Do not be an idiot and even have a 1080 in there. Hell you shouldn't even have a 1070 in there as it still beats a Xbox One X.

@Pedro: 5 pages later the fanboys rages on and you have the Sony fanny piggybacking. LOL. The One X continues to stress PC gamers and a select Sony fanboy. This shit is golden.

X1X stresses PC gamers? Yeah, no...

I'n 2017 you're only just getting the image quality that PC users have enjoyed for years at 1080p.

But how long is that going to last once everyone has 4k TV's?

Damn you enjoyed 4k image quality at 1080p for years?!?!

I guess it is the master race!

What?

lol, still puts the ps4 pro to shame on all aspects.

gtx 1060 6gb in europe 315€

pentium g4560 95€

case + 3 fans 45€

motherboard ddr4 75€

ram 8gb ddr4 75€ (Id recommend 16gb since one x has 12 but hey Im doing a cheap pc to rival one x so Im going cheap parts)

hdd 1tb sata III 52€

keyboard+mouse trash 21€ (no real gamer use those unless they have 0€ on bank account but hey lets play pretend)

controller (optional so not gonna buy it)

windows 10 kingwin 25€ (no official support from microsoft since I got that on my pc and when it suddently says my license expiered for no reason I contacted microsoft and they told me: contact your supplier kingwin not us) well if anything happens support will keep its doors closed.

(xbox one x also has wifi and 4k hdr drive but pc gamera will say we dont need any of these in order to fight console price)

So lets calculate:

315 + 95 + 45 + 75 + 75 + 52 + 21+ 25 (with no wifi. no 4k hdr optical. cheapest kb+ms. 8gb ram kingwin windows) will cost: 703€

So a pc with lots of edges cut here and there to make it competitive in price will cost 203€ more than one x.

if you add wifi. gaming kb+ms. 4k optical drive. 16gb ram. it will go up to almost 1000 and if you add windows 10 from microsoft then its a bit more than 1000€ making pc twice the price (but hey hey hey pc gamers will cut price max possible to talk trash about one x)

Oh and also in several games one x performs better than 1060 but pc gamers again will defend the opposite.

Read what you wrote.

or are you that guy that still claims there's no native 4k games?

That was one poster, people keep saying this but i have never seen it.

thread(s)?

and cows only recently started doing that, once they realized the potential power of the Xbox one X, like i said.. when the tables turned.

What should i have wiseguy? you've made no counter point, two posts of just throwing insults, how does that answer the original point?

The Ps4 Pro is still not a bad system though, I may still pick one up if my OG Ps4 kicks the bucket, but the main complaint for years was "consoles are too weak!" they finally get buffed decently to match a fair price point and people still complain.

Can't win em all :P