To all 360 fanboy's why buy a system that dies?

No, Idiots(No insult intended), the question here is, why produce a system that will work fine the first minutes and become a peice of crap within a jiff. Once you get the RROD, its a worthless crapbox.If you cant do it close to perfect, don't do it at all.Btw i'm referring to games & gaming hardware.SonyMarksman70

Because most of us don't consider multiple years of flawless gaming "a jiff". The problem is small, and even if you do encounter a problem, it certainly won't be within minutes.

why live when ur just gonna die? well, think of it this way. It's not something to do with living. We're talking about a console ffs. I dunno why ppl deny the fact that rrod is unacceptable. Would you want to have your hdtv die on you after a year? Would you want to have your brand new sound system die on you after half a year? Ppl have to agree that the 360's reliability is below these standards.

360 has great games but why are you guys defending a flaw in the design of the actual console?

eklineage

Thats exactly what i am getting at, most of you besides eklineage sound like blind fanboys... just because it has good games is no reason to let them get away with this. Thats like saying oh I love the look of that car, So what if their is a 33% chance of the engine siezes up or the brakes failing...it looks good and i will be cool driving it... its the same logic. The sega genesis had good games too back in the 16bit era, but I bet no one would of baught one then. Why is it you people have blind devotion to microsoft. I just can't comprehend this at all. And to the people saying "why live if you are going to die" or saying i mention this happening to all 360's is moronic, read my post! I never said it happens to all of them, its just a know fact that there is a 33% failure rating for the console. And people would not expect that for any other product.I wouldn't hence the reason I would never buy a microsoft product. The only thing i use that is microsoft based is windows and thats only because I have to at work (I am a web designer/web technician) and I love pc games..and hate apple just as much...if pc games came out for linux and photoshop was on it i would switch in a heartbeat! But windows dies to, but it's not hardware 360 is and a failure rating in itself is unnaccaptble period...why do you people accept it?

And I have played Gears of war and halo2 on pc...they are crap compared to all the cool pc games. And saying the ps3 has no games is ridiculous! The ps3 came out a year after the 360 so of course the library is smaller, but its catching up and all the exclusives coming out are great and many...ms has almost no first party devs...any game not published by ms itself has a chance of coming to the ps3 (bioshock anyone) and to the pc(which is where i would play them anyway). You people who say the ps3 has no games are living in the past... Take a look at how things are now and how things are going. But that's besides the point i am trying to make here, the fact is that 360 has a failure rating,,its know, it's could just as well be listed on the box and you blind fanboy's would run out and buy one. I am not a fanboy..I just don't like or trust a company with such negative business models and monopolistic policies..its bad for gaming..its bad in general...take a look at my sig and you can see I own everything but xbox360...there is a reason for that...I don't like buying stuff that's has a failure rating attached to it!

would I have still bought it knowing I'd go through 2. You bet your ass I would have.TIE_Elite_Pilot

[QUOTE="SonyMarksman70"]No, Idiots(No insult intended), the question here is, why produce a system that will work fine the first minutes and become a peice of crap within a jiff. Once you get the RROD, its a worthless crapbox.If you cant do it close to perfect, don't do it at all.Btw i'm referring to games & gaming hardware.Fignewton50

Because most of us don't consider multiple years of flawless gaming "a jiff". The problem is small, and even if you do encounter a problem, it certainly won't be within minutes.

I have both the PS3 and the 360. I have close to 40 games for the 360 and only 6 games for the PS3. A much better lineup is available on the 360 compared to the PS3. There is also a 3 year warranty for the 360, which is unprecedented in the gaming industry. Even the PS2's failure rate never prompted them to have this kind of warranty. Microsoft is standing behind their product, even though most of the Sony fan's swear they are not. The 360 is standing up to the "super computer" that is the PS3, and doing very well. With all the hype about how great the PS3 was going to be, the 360 is not only holding it's own, I have yet to see the PS3 out do the 360 save for MGS4. Even that though, IMO, is a close second to gears!!!! Maybe you should be asking why would any one NOT want to buy a 360, especially this fall when the jasper chip set will be coming out.

P.S. Live just flat out owns PSn!

loftus42

Basically I am in the same situation as you, I own about 5 times as many 360 games as PS3 games...if there is a multi-plat that comes out on both, I buy it for 360...LIVE is just superior. I have had RROD once...after 2 years and hundreds of hours of gaming...I respect that.

No, Idiots(No insult intended), the question here is, why produce a system that will work fine the first minutes and become a peice of crap within a jiff. Once you get the RROD, its a worthless crapbox.If you cant do it close to perfect, don't do it at all.Btw i'm referring to games & gaming hardware.SonyMarksman70

I never said it happens to all of them, its just a know fact that there is a 33% failure rating for the console.

world69star69

Stop right there, it's not a fact there is a 33% failure rate. That number started from one single Gamestop employee who was fired. Please, show us any credible source stating there is a 33% failure rate. Preferably one that didn't come from one single person that was used to quantify the problem for the millions of 360s sold around the world.

It's completely wrong to assume it's correct because "it's a known fact". So because enough people want to believe that's the case, it makes it true? So if I get enough people on here to believe the moon is made of cheese, it will make it true?

Please take a moment and consider the facts you claim and how correct they are before you waste your time writing so much.

why bother wiping when you're just gunna poop again?air_wolf_cubed

LMAO, post of the day. Good night gents.

[QUOTE="Fignewton50"]

[QUOTE="SonyMarksman70"]No, Idiots(No insult intended), the question here is, why produce a system that will work fine the first minutes and become a peice of crap within a jiff. Once you get the RROD, its a worthless crapbox.If you cant do it close to perfect, don't do it at all.Btw i'm referring to games & gaming hardware.SonyMarksman70

Because most of us don't consider multiple years of flawless gaming "a jiff". The problem is small, and even if you do encounter a problem, it certainly won't be within minutes.

Ha, ok then. Way to completely ignore the rest of what I said. It's obvious from your avatar, name, and sig that you're completely unbiased about the 360.

... just because it has good games is no reason to let them get away with this.

world69star69

I think people are starting to get a little crazy

Every 360 is able of getting rrod

same with every ps3 is able of getting dre

Nobody should buy a console that is has a 33 percent chance of rrod and scratches disk unless you are a true fan.

Iceman2911

you are right, and i think people are mis quoting what i said.. i never siad all 360's will get this, i said they have a 33% failure rating meaning there is a chance that if you buy one it may die and that chance is 33%

And for the poeple mentioning the ps2, I know nothing about that, as I never owned one, hell the ps3/wii are the first consoles i owned since ps1..been a strict pc gamer since ps1. The thing is i don't recall anyone talking about a 33% failure rating or a failure rating with a ps2...of course I probably wasn't paying as close attention then either being in my early twenties then, those were my party years during the early 2000's gaming consoles were not the focus of my attention then.

No, Idiots(No insult intended), the question here is, why produce a system that will work fine the first minutes and become a peice of crap within a jiff. Once you get the RROD, its a worthless crapbox.If you cant do it close to perfect, don't do it at all.Btw i'm referring to games & gaming hardware.SonyMarksman70

Playstation

Playstation 2

Sony doesn't exactly have a long standing rep for rock solid hardware, brother. Their is a good reason most people assumed PS3 would have a far worse failure rate than the 360 when it came out. As for why MS "gets away with it", it's because the 360 has the best games, for the same reason Sony got away with it two generations in a row.

you are right, and i think people are mis quoting what i said.. i never siad all 360's will get this, i said they have a 33% failure rating meaning there is a chance that if you buy one it may die and that chance is 33%

world69star69

Please, just stop with the 33% claims. Go do some research, and get edumacated about how statistics and journalism works before claiming all 360s have a 33% failure rate without providing any reliable sources.

[QUOTE="Iceman2911"]

I think people are starting to get a little crazy

Every 360 is able of getting rrod

same with every ps3 is able of getting dre

Nobody should buy a console that is has a 33 percent chance of rrod and scratches disk unless you are a true fan.

world69star69

you are right, and i think people are mis quoting what i said.. i never siad all 360's will get this, i said they have a 33% failure rating meaning there is a chance that if you buy one it may die and that chance is 33%

And for the poeple mentioning the ps2, I know nothing about that, as I never owned one, hell the ps3/wii are the first consoles i owned since ps1..been a strict pc gamer since ps1. The thing is i don't recall anyone talking about a 33% failure rating or a failure rating with a ps2...of course I probably wasn't paying as close attention then either being in my early twenties then, those were my party years during the early 2000's gaming consoles were not the focus of my attention then.

Because back then it wasn't quite as easy to make a number up off the top of your head and have the internet except it as a fact, like this mythical and completely unproven 33% rate for the 360 that you cite as a fact with no supporting evidence.

I don't mind the RRoD as long as I can play the games that can satisfy me instead of watching or playing blu-ray "movies" on a glossy dust collector, or dancing like a retard with a lousy remote and eventually send it flying all the way to the TV or somewhere in the living room :roll:

Let's face it people, all next-gen consoles have flaws. The 360 may have the biggest flaw in this gen but, they gave enough satisfaction to fill in their holes. With good game and great service, nobody would give a damn on its imperfection unless they want more.

[QUOTE="eklineage"]

why live when ur just gonna die? well, think of it this way. It's not something to do with living. We're talking about a console ffs. I dunno why ppl deny the fact that rrod is unacceptable. Would you want to have your hdtv die on you after a year? Would you want to have your brand new sound system die on you after half a year? Ppl have to agree that the 360's reliability is below these standards.

360 has great games but why are you guys defending a flaw in the design of the actual console?

world69star69

Thats exactly what i am getting at, most of you besides eklineage sound like blind fanboys... just because it has good games is no reason to let them get away with this. Thats like saying oh I love the look of that car, So what if their is a 33% chance of the engine siezes up or the brakes failing...it looks good and i will be cool driving it... its the same logic. The sega genesis had good games too back in the 16bit era, but I bet no one would of baught one then. Why is it you people have blind devotion to microsoft. I just can't comprehend this at all. And to the people saying "why live if you are going to die" or saying i mention this happening to all 360's is moronic, read my post! I never said it happens to all of them, its just a know fact that there is a 33% failure rating for the console. And people would not expect that for any other product.I wouldn't hence the reason I would never buy a microsoft product. The only thing i use that is microsoft based is windows and thats only because I have to at work (I am a web designer/web technician) and I love pc games..and hate apple just as much...if pc games came out for linux and photoshop was on it i would switch in a heartbeat! But windows dies to, but it's not hardware 360 is and a failure rating in itself is unnaccaptble period...why do you people accept it?

And I have played Gears of war and halo2 on pc...they are crap compared to all the cool pc games. And saying the ps3 has no games is ridiculous! The ps3 came out a year after the 360 so of course the library is smaller, but its catching up and all the exclusives coming out are great and many...ms has almost no first party devs...any game not published by ms itself has a chance of coming to the ps3 (bioshock anyone) and to the pc(which is where i would play them anyway). You people who say the ps3 has no games are living in the past... Take a look at how things are now and how things are going. But that's besides the point i am trying to make here, the fact is that 360 has a failure rating,,its know, it's could just as well be listed on the box and you blind fanboy's would run out and buy one. I am not a fanboy..I just don't like or trust a company with such negative business models and monopolistic policies..its bad for gaming..its bad in general...take a look at my sig and you can see I own everything but xbox360...there is a reason for that...I don't like buying stuff that's has a failure rating attached to it!

Well if that's the way you wang to understand my comment go ahead. You know they don't send you your same system.They'd send you a previously refurbished system, since it would take a while before they can send your fixed one to another customer who has to have his replaced.Dont tell me this isnt the case bc it's how my cousin got his systems replaced(3 times). Btw this is the "System Wars" Forum isnt it? So who the h*ll is trying to justify a purchase?The console wars has happened before. 360 is worthless with a RROD you cant do squat.SonyMarksman70

It's obvious you have no experience with 360s and have never owned one, so just stop talking about things you know nothing about. They don't always mail you back a refurbished one. Sometimes its your same console, and sometimes it's a brand spanking new console - which is what happened to me.

[QUOTE="SonyMarksman70"]No, Idiots(No insult intended), the question here is, why produce a system that will work fine the first minutes and become a peice of crap within a jiff. Once you get the RROD, its a worthless crapbox.If you cant do it close to perfect, don't do it at all.Btw i'm referring to games & gaming hardware.CronoSquall

Playstation

Playstation 2

Sony doesn't exactly have a long standing rep for rock solid hardware, brother. Their is a good reason most people assumed PS3 would have a far worse failure rate than the 360 when it came out. As for why MS "gets away with it", it's because the 360 has the best games, for the same reason Sony got away with it two generations in a row.

you could also ask that question to the tens of millions of people who continued to buy ps2's after they kept dying.dooly420

Shush, we all have to pretend that the PS2 DRE fiasco never happened, remember?

:P

[QUOTE="SonyMarksman70"]Well if that's the way you wang to understand my comment go ahead. You know they don't send you your same system.They'd send you a previously refurbished system, since it would take a while before they can send your fixed one to another customer who has to have his replaced.Dont tell me this isnt the case bc it's how my cousin got his systems replaced(3 times). Btw this is the "System Wars" Forum isnt it? So who the h*ll is trying to justify a purchase?The console wars has happened before. 360 is worthless with a RROD you cant do squat.Fignewton50

It's obvious you have no experience with 360s and have never owned one, so just stop talking about things you know nothing about. They don't always mail you back a refurbished one. Sometimes its your same console, and sometimes it's a brand spanking new console - which is what happened to me.

[QUOTE="Fignewton50"]

[QUOTE="SonyMarksman70"]Well if that's the way you wang to understand my comment go ahead. You know they don't send you your same system.They'd send you a previously refurbished system, since it would take a while before they can send your fixed one to another customer who has to have his replaced.Dont tell me this isnt the case bc it's how my cousin got his systems replaced(3 times). Btw this is the "System Wars" Forum isnt it? So who the h*ll is trying to justify a purchase?The console wars has happened before. 360 is worthless with a RROD you cant do squat.SonyMarksman70

It's obvious you have no experience with 360s and have never owned one, so just stop talking about things you know nothing about. They don't always mail you back a refurbished one. Sometimes its your same console, and sometimes it's a brand spanking new console - which is what happened to me.

SonyMarksman70

I don't know about your cousins, but I was sent a brand new system, Proven by the sticky clear plastic on all the chrome parts. Just like a new unit. Refubished systems are a rumor, and no one has proven this as a fact. Watch the number on the back. my nephews was fixed and sent his original unit. Proven by the numbers on the back. If your cousin was sent a refurbished unit then you should gripe. The warranty says "replace the unit, or repair the unit, Microsoft's option" It is the law. Refurbished units can only be given out with the consumers knowledge, or resold through certain stores. Stop assuming things. The law would not allow Microsoft to do this. 360 is NOT worthless, with the RRoD, you send it in and it is repaired or replaced with a new unit.

OMG what i'm saying is, if you have a 360 with RROD, IT IS UNPLAYABLE!Then, you have to send it to MS.That's what I meant, so as far as i'm concerned you guys are assuming "things".I can honestly tell you this is in no way biased, & all in good taste of the war between MS's newest console and Sony's newest console.I'm sorry, I wish I can explain my reasoning.But who's going to have a reasonable argument at 2:00 in the morning.I'm not here to be stupid, please don't assume i'm a stupid jerk that doesn't know squat about what he's talking about & is just here to show off his system or something.Lol, that's not me.SonyMarksman70

First I looked at your Name and Avatar....then I lol'd.

Playstation has had countless # of good games.But i'm not going to give a full out argument to my reasoning every single time I debate this with people. All you can do now is see for yourself. You must also understand the technology within your 360 if you think there is even an argument. All I have to do is re-read these comments next year & say "Why did I even discuss this with them!!!??????" .When I get a keyboard i'll make a big thread just to prove to probably a couple of people where my arguments are coming from.SonyMarksman70

OMG what i'm saying is, if you have a 360 with RROD, IT IS UNPLAYABLE!Then, you have to send it to MS.That's what I meant, so as far as i'm concerned you guys are assuming "things".I can honestly tell you this is in no way biased, & all in good taste of the war between MS's newest console and Sony's newest console.I'm sorry, I wish I can explain my reasoning.But who's going to have a reasonable argument at 2:00 in the morning.I'm not here to be stupid, please don't assume i'm a stupid jerk that doesn't know squat about what he's talking about & is just here to show off his system or something.Lol, that's not me.SonyMarksman70

That's like asking, "why live if you die?". Utterly moronic.MuffinPunk

Worth getting serious over? Oh this is System Wars. :lol:

The Xbox 360 has the best games that why I like em. ;) Plus, they're failure percentage has gone down unless I'm mistaken.

i didn't read the post, but i'm assuming that the title pretty much says it all.

reason to buy the 360: the games

another game received a solid review today. the list of good/great games keeps growing.

btw, i don't have one yet and the rrod thing is keeping me from making the purchase, but i just wanted to give you one of likely many reasons why the 360 can be seen as a good purchase. i mean it's a gaming console so wouldn't the games be the most important thing?

1) Free 3 year warrantee protecting against the problem. ie) There is no problem.death919

The irony here..

2) PS2 had extremely high DRE rate and is one of the greatest consoles of all time.Death

For like a week...

3) 33% is less than 50%. In other words, there is a better chance that it WONT break down than there is that it WILL break down.Death

1/3 Xbox 360s will break down. That's a huge amount of 360s and I can see why Microsoft created the three-year warranty, they ddin't want to lose huge amounts of customers or scare off potential customers. That should put it in perspective nicely. ;)

4) That number was reduced with Falcon chip and will be eliminated with Jasper chip.Death

That really doesn't help those that already have a ticking-time bomb. ;)

~just to clarify. I like the 360 but to pretend there is no problem or the problem is "small" is just plain ignorant. The only people who do that are the ones that want to feel like they made a good choice with their investment. ;)

TC: Why buy a system that has no games? :(hopesfall2own

Um, last time checked Resistance, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, Gran Turismo 5, Ratchet and Clank Future, and Socom Confrontation are all games. So the PS3 not having any games is not a counter argument.

I missed the part where every single 360 diesair_wolf_cubed

Dude those girls are crazy :|

To all the 360 fanboys-- Would you have baught the console when it came out if they told you there was a 33% that your console would die? Would you accept that from any other console? From any other product? i wouldn't!! So Why do you? Why do let Micro$haft get away with this **** Or is it because most of you are young and had your parents buy you the console and that is what you are stuck with until you get a job?.I would never of baught a Sega Genesis in 1990 if it had 33% death, so why buy a 360 with that failure chance.?

Would you buy a car from a salesman if they told you, oh its a great car, but you know there is a small, cough..33%..cough..chane of the breaks failing when you drive it. I wouldn't touh the car, that type of thing would cause millions of a injuries and lawsuits! Now I realize an xbox is not a car, but still you get my point. Why even bother when there is that chance? It doesn't make any sense. No one would buy anything with that failure rate..which is why ms didn't do a recall which is what any car manufacturer would of done. Instead they let the product ship ,and then just let consumers find out on their, own...does this sound like good business for the customer? No way, it sounds to me like its MS just trying to maximize on profit for a screw up....its horrible business...and any other company would of been linched, and no longer in business.

So why do you let it happen? Would you take that from SEga back in the day, Nintendo, Sony....hell no...so why MS? it can't be because of master cheif? Give me a break...Gear of war? the game ain't that good to buy a product with a failure rating attached. In fact before the 360 no console even had a failure rating...the 360 is the first console to have one. Before this such things would be in accusable. Why do you let ms do this? WHY????

world69star69

my 2 year old xbox360 laughs at this troll

To all the 360 fanboys-- Would you have baught the console when it came out if they told you there was a 33% that your console would die? Would you accept that from any other console? From any other product? i wouldn't!! So Why do you? Why do let Micro$haft get away with this **** Or is it because most of you are young and had your parents buy you the console and that is what you are stuck with until you get a job?.I would never of baught a Sega Genesis in 1990 if it had 33% death, so why buy a 360 with that failure chance.?

Would you buy a car from a salesman if they told you, oh its a great car, but you know there is a small, cough..33%..cough..chane of the breaks failing when you drive it. I wouldn't touh the car, that type of thing would cause millions of a injuries and lawsuits! Now I realize an xbox is not a car, but still you get my point. Why even bother when there is that chance? It doesn't make any sense. No one would buy anything with that failure rate..which is why ms didn't do a recall which is what any car manufacturer would of done. Instead they let the product ship ,and then just let consumers find out on their, own...does this sound like good business for the customer? No way, it sounds to me like its MS just trying to maximize on profit for a screw up....its horrible business...and any other company would of been linched, and no longer in business.

So why do you let it happen? Would you take that from SEga back in the day, Nintendo, Sony....hell no...so why MS? it can't be because of master cheif? Give me a break...Gear of war? the game ain't that good to buy a product with a failure rating attached. In fact before the 360 no console even had a failure rating...the 360 is the first console to have one. Before this such things would be in accusable. Why do you let ms do this? WHY????

world69star69

why start a thread that trolls?

It has the best games and online service for a console. That's why. I can deal with a three year warranty too.

tccavey2

The games.

aliasfreak