To people who hate geohot

[QUOTE="jimmypsn"]

[QUOTE="Asim90"]

Not at all, if Geohot made his own console that allowed homebrew then this argument would hold up. Hacking a system and infringing on the regulations of said product is not the same as supplying something legally.

Asim90

Hacking products like this has already been deemed legal. Look at Kinect, look at Iphone, he should win the case easily. Sony should go after the pirates. Going after Geohot is a waste of time.

Well, according to Sony he breached the regulations and user policy of the product hence why they're taking him to court. Also, how is it possible to go after the pirates? Pirates are just people like you and me that sit in their home and download games for free, they do it in millions around the planet. Geohot however is the one that allowed the pirates to do the pirating, so really he opened the doors to piracy. How is going after the perpetrator a waste of time? This could prevent him from hacking other Playstation products.

Um you do know that any and every future product sony will release will be hacked right?

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

People are so mad! :lol: The best best is that all that hate is dircted at the wrong people.

If someone shoots someone else, do you blame the people who made the gun? Come on.

DarkLink77

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

People are so mad! :lol: The best best is that all that hate is dircted at the wrong people.

If someone shoots someone else, do you blame the people who made the gun? Come on.

DarkLink77

Good luck hurting someone with a wad of cotton wool

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] If the people making the gun were certain it would be used for murder I would def consider them immoral.USS_Data

Good luck hurting someone with a wad of cotton wool

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] If the people making the gun were certain it would be used for murder I would def consider them immoral.USS_Data

Good luck hurting someone with a wad of cotton wool

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Name me one thing that you can't use to hurt someone else, even though that's not it's intended use. One thing. Go ahead. I'll wait. DarkLink77

Good luck hurting someone with a wad of cotton wool

Hey i'm not against Geohotz i just answered his question :)

I totally agree with you that piracy was not his intent and have been saying that it's not his cfw that allows for piracy but hey people only wanna see what they want to see.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Good luck hurting someone with a wad of cotton wool

USS_Data

Hey i'm not against Geohotz i just answered his question :)

I totally agree with you that piracy was not his intent and have been saying that it's not his cfw that allows for piracy but hey people only wanna see what they want to see.

Your entire argument revolves around the premise that I want to root my devices. They work just fine the way they are.lowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Your entire argument revolves around the premise that I want to root my devices. They work just fine the way they are.DarkLink77

I guess the majority of the SW users rather live in a world were the big corporations tell them what they can or can't do with the devices they bought with their own money. Seriously some people.

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Name me one thing that you can't use to hurt someone else, even though that's not it's intended use. One thing. Go ahead. I'll wait. DarkLink77

Good luck hurting someone with a wad of cotton wool

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="lowe0"]Your entire argument revolves around the premise that I want to root my devices. They work just fine the way they are.USS_Data

I guess the majority of the SW users rather live in a world were the big corporations tell them what they can or can't do with the devices they bought with their own money. Seriously some people.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Good luck hurting someone with a wad of cotton wool

fusionhunter

Without guns and bullets people wouldn't get shot. So should we also sue all gun and bullet manufacturers?

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Name me one thing that you can't use to hurt someone else, even though that's not it's intended use. One thing. Go ahead. I'll wait. DarkLink77

Good luck hurting someone with a wad of cotton wool

He's instrumental in all the PSN hacks on Call of Duty, and piracy, that's enough for me to dislike him.TintedEyes

I'll say this.

99% of people who want to hack their PS3 want free games. You can try to tell me otherwise but you're not convincing me. There is no real point to putting a seperate operating system on your PS3 when your PC can run as many as you want for free.

People want to hack games, they want to crack games, they want to do stuff the game console isn't intended for.

This opened the floodgates for tons of crap to happen that is ruining the PS3 from the core. A TINY percentage of PS3 owners are actually going to root the PS3 to use an operating system, it's the exact reason why Sony dropped support, there wasn't wasn't the demand and the offices were costing money to keep running. This has been an absolute mess and people supporting this guy are supporting what's going to be the death of the PS3 for all just so you can have free games.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="lowe0"]Your entire argument revolves around the premise that I want to root my devices. They work just fine the way they are.USS_Data

I guess the majority of the SW users rather live in a world were the big corporations tell them what they can or can't do with the devices they bought with their own money. Seriously some people.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Good luck hurting someone with a wad of cotton wool

fusionhunter

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Good luck hurting someone with a wad of cotton wool

Sushiglutton

Do you honestly believe gun manufacturers don't know people will get killed by the weapons they make?

I guess we should also sue them for providing the means to murder someone.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Your entire argument revolves around the premise that I want to root my devices. They work just fine the way they are.DarkLink77

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] You could choke them to death with it. Point being, piracy was not the intent of his code, which is why you cannot do it with his code. You have to modify it to pirate stuff, which makes it no longer his code.USS_Data

Do you honestly believe gun manufacturers don't know people will get killed by the weapons they make?

I guess we should also sue them for providing the means to murder someone.

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] You could choke them to death with it. Point being, piracy was not the intent of his code, which is why you cannot do it with his code. You have to modify it to pirate stuff, which makes it no longer his code.USS_Data

Do you honestly believe gun manufacturers don't know people will get killed by the weapons they make?

I guess we should also sue them for providing the means to murder someone.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Your entire argument revolves around the premise that I want to root my devices. They work just fine the way they are.DarkLink77

Hm, interesting. It's been a long time since I've heard such an idealistic statement. Let me tell you this for your own good. Never make such a general statement the foundation of your argument. The flaws of the argument can always be immediately seen. Now I'll leave you all to continue your arguments.

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"]

He release the master key to the public so he deserve some punishment, plus he started sounding like a jerk recently.

i5750at4Ghz

Yet it still opened a door for hacking and piracy to happen and it didn't help that he was giving the attention of him hacking it and releasing the exploit to public.

I'll say this.

99% of people who want to hack their PS3 want free games. You can try to tell me otherwise but you're not convincing me. There is no real point to putting a seperate operating system on your PS3 when your PC can run as many as you want for free.

People want to hack games, they want to crack games, they want to do stuff the game console isn't intended for.

This opened the floodgates for tons of crap to happen that is ruining the PS3 from the core. A TINY percentage of PS3 owners are actually going to root the PS3 to use an operating system, it's the exact reason why Sony dropped support, there wasn't wasn't the demand and the offices were costing money to keep running. This has been an absolute mess and people supporting this guy are supporting what's going to be the death of the PS3 for all just so you can have free games.

Wasdie

I have to agree here. After seeing the small amount of things you can do currently with the jailbreak i believe the majority are just pirating, or getting pro kills on COD.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I'll say this.

99% of people who want to hack their PS3 want free games. You can try to tell me otherwise but you're not convincing me. There is no real point to putting a seperate operating system on your PS3 when your PC can run as many as you want for free.

People want to hack games, they want to crack games, they want to do stuff the game console isn't intended for.

This opened the floodgates for tons of crap to happen that is ruining the PS3 from the core. A TINY percentage of PS3 owners are actually going to root the PS3 to use an operating system, it's the exact reason why Sony dropped support, there wasn't wasn't the demand and the offices were costing money to keep running. This has been an absolute mess and people supporting this guy are supporting what's going to be the death of the PS3 for all just so you can have free games.

FIipMode

I have to agree here. After seeing the small amount of things you can do currently with the jailbreak i believe the majority are just pirating, or getting pro kills on COD.

I have a ps3, i bought it, i own it, its mine. I have the capability to hack and pirate my ps3 right this very second if i so choose,though i choose not to. that however doesn't give sony the right to tell me what i can and cannot do with a piece of property i paid my own hard earned money for. while i probably won't be using any kind of modded ps3 in the future its nice to know that if i want to i can, because its MY ps3.

this is why i support geohot

I have a ps3, i bought it, i own it, its mine. I have the capability to hack and pirate my ps3 right this very second if i so choose,though i choose not to. that however doesn't give sony the right to tell me what i can and cannot do with a piece of property i paid my own hard earned money for. while i probably won't be using any kind of modded ps3 in the future its nice to know that if i want to i can, because its MY ps3.

this is why i support geohot

z4twenny

I have a ps3, i bought it, i own it, its mine. I have the capability to hack and pirate my ps3 right this very second if i so choose,though i choose not to. that however doesn't give sony the right to tell me what i can and cannot do with a piece of property i paid my own hard earned money for. while i probably won't be using any kind of modded ps3 in the future its nice to know that if i want to i can, because its MY ps3.

this is why i support geohot

z4twenny

I think the idea of modifying hardware to do what we want it to is cool and the ability to do so, ideally, is a great idea. But you mention piracy in your very post. Is that a right?

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

I have a ps3, i bought it, i own it, its mine. I have the capability to hack and pirate my ps3 right this very second if i so choose,though i choose not to. that however doesn't give sony the right to tell me what i can and cannot do with a piece of property i paid my own hard earned money for. while i probably won't be using any kind of modded ps3 in the future its nice to know that if i want to i can, because its MY ps3.

this is why i support geohot

fusionhunter

Actually because the way things are... you can debate that you actually own said software inside your hardware. That all comes around ToU which can and has been defeated in US courts.

I have a ps3, i bought it, i own it, its mine. I have the capability to hack and pirate my ps3 right this very second if i so choose,though i choose not to. that however doesn't give sony the right to tell me what i can and cannot do with a piece of property i paid my own hard earned money for. while i probably won't be using any kind of modded ps3 in the future its nice to know that if i want to i can, because its MY ps3.

this is why i support geohot

z4twenny

He isn't the one condoning piracy, hell he isn't even a gamer.

So do you people think having less rights to the devices you own is a good thing?

JigglyWiggly_

2.

And 3. People need to learn the difference between claim rights and liberty rights and realise that the latter are limited by the former.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Good luck hurting someone with a wad of cotton wool

Sushiglutton

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] You could choke them to death with it. Point being, piracy was not the intent of his code, which is why you cannot do it with his code. You have to modify it to pirate stuff, which makes it no longer his code.DarkLink77

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Tc, but the PS3 hack can be very determential to Sony's success if the wrong people get their hands on the master key, but GeoHotz's has made that easier by releasing the code. I hate geohotz because he seems to do dumb things like that rap and releasing thingslike the master code to the public.

I do believe ToU has nothing going for it in this case as Geo has stated he never accepted the ToU by not signing into psn. jedikevin2

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]I do believe ToU has nothing going for it in this case as Geo has stated he never accepted the ToU by not signing into psn. shinrabanshou

Hate is a strong word. i dont hate the guy but I do think he is an attention grabbing,egotistical idiot who deserves to have Sony rake him over the coals.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]I do believe ToU has nothing going for it in this case as Geo has stated he never accepted the ToU by not signing into psn. DarkLink77

You do not own the System Software, it is clearly made available via license. This is written on the box of the PS3 itself. It is in all likelihood written on the 360 box. And the Wii box. And the boxes of pretty much every software.

They generally read something along the lines of "we made this intellectual property through millions of dollars and thousands of man hours, you can use it under license from us for a fee, but don't **** with it because it's not your intellectual property."

It's intellectual property, the ownership of such is not transferred through a retail middleman.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

If I buy a product, it's because I'm impressed with what it does, not because I am excited for what I can make it do.

The ps3 has more functionality than any other system as is.

And, he's a jackass.

Jackopeng

Other features? Like what?

And this guy is the reason they did that in the first place, hardly a reason to like him.

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]I do believe ToU has nothing going for it in this case as Geo has stated he never accepted the ToU by not signing into psn. shinrabanshou

My statement was a response to a member posting ToU information above. Also to my knowledge, does the box on the ps3 specifically say anything on software?

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]The PS3 System Software is only made available via license, containing provisions as specified above.

shinrabanshou

You do not own the System Software, it is clearly made available via license. This is written on the box of the PS3 itself. It is in all likelihood written on the 360 box. And the Wii box. And the boxes of pretty much every software.

They generally read something along the lines of "we made this intellectual property through millions of dollars and thousands of man hours, you can use it under license from us for a fee, but don't **** with it because it's not your intellectual property."

It's intellectual property, the ownership of such is not transferred through a retail middleman.

See I use to think to same then the iphone jailbreak court settlement hit so now it throws all context of this type of thing in the loop.. As of now, its just alot of grey area for or against.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]I do believe ToU has nothing going for it in this case as Geo has stated he never accepted the ToU by not signing into psn. jedikevin2

My statement was a response to a member posting ToU information above. Also to my knowledge, does the box on the ps3 specifically say anything on software?

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]The PS3 System Software is only made available via license, containing provisions as specified above.

shinrabanshou

You do not own the System Software, it is clearly made available via license. This is written on the box of the PS3 itself. It is in all likelihood written on the 360 box. And the Wii box. And the boxes of pretty much every software.

It's intellectual property, the ownership of such is not transferred through a retail middleman.

I guess we'll see it that applies to hardware.DarkLink77

See I use to think to same then the iphone jailbreak court settlement hit

jedikevin2

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] EULAs aren't necessarily legal and binding. Just ask Blizzard.DarkLink77

You do not own the System Software, it is clearly made available via license. This is written on the box of the PS3 itself. It is in all likelihood written on the 360 box. And the Wii box. And the boxes of pretty much every software.

It's intellectual property, the ownership of such is not transferred through a retail middleman.

This is about software.

Now I gotta go hunt down the 2006 licence agreement on the ps3 or if the agreement is legally binding by stating to go read a website.

"So you want to buy your fancy smancy new iPhone/Ipod, you want to jailbreak it, so it can actually do something. Guess who was the first to do that? " no i dont /threadcampzor

you=/=everyone