To people who hate geohot

Now I gotta go hunt down the 2006 licence agreement on the ps3 or if the agreement is legally binding by stating to go read a website.

jedikevin2

In the past shrink wrap licenses have been overturned based on the court in question finding that the contract is a contract of adhesion. Such licenses have also been upheld though.

The specification of the license on the box and ready availability of the PS3 System Software license prior to purchase would severely diminish any argument that the agreement was a contract of adhesion as far as I'm aware. The court could consider the contract unconscionable based on the substance of the contract itself though.

This is largely irrelevant to George Hotz's current legal woes though.

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[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]I do believe ToU has nothing going for it in this case as Geo has stated he never accepted the ToU by not signing into psn. jedikevin2

My statement was a response to a member posting ToU information above. Also to my knowledge, does the box on the ps3 specifically say anything on software?

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[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]The PS3 System Software is only made available via license, containing provisions as specified above.

fusionhunter

My statement was a response to a member posting ToU information above. Also to my knowledge, does the box on the ps3 specifically say anything on software?

What are you talking about Fusion...?

I respect his talent but can't stand his attention getting antics. The rap is something I would expect from a middle schooler who was put into detention.

The PS3 isn't a computer. It's a gaming device and a closed platform. Having less rights to the device is a good thing. It's what gives consoles an edge, and without the platform being closed, it removes that edge. Now the PS3 is nothing less than a hacker's playground, and instead of Sony focusing on improving the PS3 and having better games come out for it, now they have to spend their time focusing on security and piracy. Comparing it to a phone is completely ridiculous.KHAndAnime

The comparisons arise because the lawsuits have a very similiar tone and complications to them. Has nothing to do with the hardware themselves.

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]The PS3 isn't a computer. It's a gaming device and a closed platform. Having less rights to the device is a good thing. It's what gives consoles an edge, and without the platform being closed, it removes that edge. Now the PS3 is nothing less than a hacker's playground, and instead of Sony focusing on improving the PS3 and having better games come out for it, now they have to spend their time focusing on security and piracy. Comparing it to a phone is completely ridiculous.jedikevin2

The comparisons arise because the lawsuits have a very similiar tone and complications to them. Has nothing to do with the hardware themselves.

I agree, hacking doesn't mean pirating. thats where the confusion starts

The comparisons arise because the lawsuits have a very similiar tone and complications to them. Has nothing to do with the hardware themselves.

jedikevin2

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The comparisons arise because the lawsuits have a very similiar tone and complications to them. Has nothing to do with the hardware themselves.

shinrabanshou

Let me rephrase.. Legal declarations.

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[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

The comparisons arise because the lawsuits have a very similiar tone and complications to them. Has nothing to do with the hardware themselves.

jedikevin2

Let me rephrase.. Legal declarations.

I don't hate very many things in this life. But I certainly hate this baffoon. He deserves what he's going to get. And unfortunatley he's going to waste all of the money fellow gamers gave him in the process. What a tool.

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[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Again there was no smartphone lawsuit.

shinrabanshou

Let me rephrase.. Legal declarations.

Huh? I think you went in the wrong direction shinra.. My original statement was a reply to what i thought the member was asking why the comparisons between the iphone and ps3. So confused what your talking about anymore shinra.

Jail breaking the iphone didn't allow for people using their iphone to ban other users, his hack has allowed people to do this on the PS3. I don't care what people do with their products if it doesn't affect me but this one does. I might not hate the guy but I do think he's pretty pathetic.soulitane

To each his own.. I see nothing wrong what he did. Don't find him pathetic or any other such thing. Just a guy who dwelled in reverse engineering, found out the holy grail code and told the world. What i'm more lol about is Sony security on the ps3. What I find pretty funny is how many members are in kill the messenger mode.

Even Geohot wants to hack his own stuff for his own use, fine. I don't care.

However, he crossed a line with this his PS3 hacks. If he had just hacked the PS3 and kept if offline for his own personal use, that would have been ok. Instead, he hacks it open (all while knowing this will cause piracy) and brags about it over the internet, and then distributes the rootkey so that other people can do what they want with it, which leads to hackers and pirates.

In short: if you affect other people with your hacks, you deserve to be punished. Which is why he should have to go to jail for a year to make him think twice about doing something like this again.

[QUOTE="soulitane"]Jail breaking the iphone didn't allow for people using their iphone to ban other users, his hack has allowed people to do this on the PS3. I don't care what people do with their products if it doesn't affect me but this one does. I might not hate the guy but I do think he's pretty pathetic.jedikevin2

To each his own.. I see nothing wrong what he did. Don't find him pathetic or any other such thing. Just a guy who dwelled in reverse engineering, found out the holy grail code and told the world. What i'm more lol about is Sony security on the ps3. What I find pretty funny is how many members are in kill the messenger mode.

Huh? I think you went in the wrong direction shinra.. My original statement was a reply to what i thought the member was asking why the comparisons between the iphone and ps3. So confused what your talking about anymore shinra.

jedikevin2

[QUOTE="soulitane"]Jail breaking the iphone didn't allow for people using their iphone to ban other users, his hack has allowed people to do this on the PS3. I don't care what people do with their products if it doesn't affect me but this one does. I might not hate the guy but I do think he's pretty pathetic.jedikevin2

To each his own.. I see nothing wrong what he did. Don't find him pathetic or any other such thing. Just a guy who dwelled in reverse engineering, found out the holy grail code and told the world. What i'm more lol about is Sony security on the ps3. What I find pretty funny is how many members are in kill the messenger mode.

It's amazing how people hate someone who is standing up for your rights as a consumer. That's why corporations like Sony can get away with anything.ampiva

It's amazing how people hate someone who is standing up for your rights as a consumer. That's why corporations like Sony can get away with anything.ampiva

It's amazing how people hate someone who is standing up for your rights as a consumer.ampiva

He wanted attention so badly that he hindered the PS3 as a gaming platform for everyone else to gain it. If you can't figure out why a lot of people are mad at him, you need to sit back and do some thinking - it isn't hard to figure out.

KHAndAnime

Still funny that people going on a witch hunt on the messenger. I'm not mad at him in the least. If I was mad, it would have been at the whole team who reverse engineered and found the code, not the guy who publically released it (it was already spreading before him). you do know I know exactly why people are mad correct? I just find it funny how its playing out for those people.

@shinra..

to reiiterate.. They comparable to me and how I was speaking to the other member. To each his own. Think you got the wrong context to what I was stating.

geohot didn't do thoes things for the "People" he did it because he's an attention H*** and as long as he gets attention he really don't care what happens. I also think he did it to make money from Piracy, but thats just me.

Shielder7

I respect his talent but can't stand his attention getting antics. The rap is something I would expect from a middle schooler who was put into detention.

Whiteblade999

His rap was pretty good ...just sayin'

It's amazing how people hate someone who is standing up for your rights as a consumer. That's why corporations like Sony can get away with anything.ampiva

He's no Ralph Nader.

I never bought my PS3 expecting I'd be able to play pirated games or hack my game data or other people's game data.

I bought my PS3 knowing that I could only play legal games - period.

I didn't buy a computer, I bought a game console.

Ima say one thing...y'all are haters :P

If you don't like the EULA, then don't buy the damn thing. Simple as that. You are not forced to buy a PS3.JunkTrap

[QUOTE="JunkTrap"]If you don't like the EULA, then don't buy the damn thing. Simple as that. You are not forced to buy a PS3.painguy1

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geohot didn't do thoes things for the "People" he did it because he's an attention H*** and as long as he gets attention he really don't care what happens. I also think he did it to make money from Piracy, but thats just me.

Phazevariance

Like it says in the rules, it's okay to discuss the latest news articles but making a thread just to talk about hacking (or geohot) isn't allowed.