Very surprised that MGS series is not on that list. :o
Top 11 Video game stories of all time
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[QUOTE="Ribnarak"]This is a story threat dude, not what's your favorite game threat.How can you exclude WARCRAFT.
I havent played WoW, but the warcraft series is one of my favourites.edo-tensei
Warcraft is easily among some of the most well written gaming there is.
[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Ribnarak"]
How can you exclude WARCRAFT.
I havent played WoW, but the warcraft series is one of my favourites.
Warcraft is easily among some of the most well written gaming there is.
Writting is not whole story.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] no its ambigious...all it was is Red XIII iand his two "kids" looking at Midgar overgrown with vegetatation. It is so ambigious it implies nothing except Midgar is destroyed.texasgoldrush
That's not an "implication;" midgar being destroyed is explicit. But the implications are clear. Midgar, symbolizing the hideous result of human "progress" is overcome by nature. It follows with children laughing. Pretty strong implication that humanity decided to stop sucking the life out of the planet and returned to a more eco-friendly lifestyle. Of course, all of this is meant to be parallel to the real world.
The exact same type of ending was employed in Princess Mononoke, from the same year. Same implication.
the scene is known to be confusing and is still debated on FF forums, there is no concrete meaning to the scene. It was made to be ambigious. That is just your interpetation.Just because it's somewhat ambigious, doesn't mean it's implications aren't clear. It's not confusing for anyone with a brain who paid attention to the story.
Just because a game requires (even the smallest amount of) thinking to understand something, doesn't mean that anything goes. FFVII's ending is to be viewed within the lense of the rest of the story.
I am...and the lens of the story is not real good.Just because a game requires (even the smallest amount of) thinking to understand something, doesn't mean that anything goes. FFVII's ending is to be viewed within the lense of the rest of the story.
hakanakumono
I am going to start with the first 10 games that have exceptional stories, and sometimes I will group them as a series if the stories connect with eachoter.... texasgoldrush
Texas, I can't agree with your list, but you named some really fine stories.
Grim Fandango its probably the best story in a video game, with Planescape running right behind it.
But you can't leave Soul Reaver story out of that list.... and include Mass Effect and Bioshock on it at the same time. Its just not right.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]I am...and the lens of the story is not real good.Just because a game requires (even the smallest amount of) thinking to understand something, doesn't mean that anything goes. FFVII's ending is to be viewed within the lens of the rest of the story.
texasgoldrush
The lens of the story "is not good?" Lol you have no clue as to what I'm even talking about.
I'm surprised aswell. It renewed my faith in humanity.Very surprised that MGS series is not on that list. :o
Raiden004
[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]
I am going to start with the first 10 games that have exceptional stories, and sometimes I will group them as a series if the stories connect with eachoter....
Texas, I can't agree with your list, but you named some really fine stories.
Grim Fandango its probably the best story in a video game, with Planescape running right behind it.
But you can't leave Soul Reaver story out of that list.... and include Mass Effect and Bioshock on it at the same time. Its just not right.
Bioshock and Mass Effect deserve all the credit they get. Bioshock set up this gaming gens most memorable setting and Mass Effect created some of th emost memorable charcters of this gen. In fact, the story to Bioshock 2's DLC is excellent. It alone beats System Shock 2's narrative, especially with a twist that not only is on the level of "Would you kindly?", but surpasses it to the emotional power. The universe of Mass Effect is fantastic, not only the games are good but the comics and novels are great.I'm surprised aswell. It renewed my faith in humanity.[QUOTE="AfterBurnerZ"]
[QUOTE="Raiden004"]
Very surprised that MGS series is not on that list. :o
Mograine
QFT. Seeing Bioshock and ME there however makes that renewed faith tremble.
So true. I died a little inside but I know humanity shall look past this day...one day...
[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]
Just because a game requires (even the smallest amount of) thinking to understand something, doesn't mean that anything goes. FFVII's ending is to be viewed within the lens of the rest of the story.
I am...and the lens of the story is not real good.The lens of the story "is not good?" Lol you have no clue as to what I'm even talking about.
fact of the matter is that a powerful madman and his alien "mommy" trying to drop a meteor on the planet defeats the message that humans would do anything for power at the planet's expense...as its not the humans that are the biggest threat, but that "thing". The game loses its way after that is revealed. The only real message that may hav eworked his how one responds to learning the truth, but due to the ambiguity of Jenova and the plot holes in Seph's character, that too is muddled. FFVII is a game that spits out ideas and themes, but doesn't use them in a cohesive manner. If they truly wanted the game to be about "humans would harm the world in search of power", it would have used Shin Ra as its main antagonist.[QUOTE="AfterBurnerZ"]
[QUOTE="Raiden004"]
Very surprised that MGS series is not on that list. :o
I'm surprised aswell. It renewed my faith in humanity.QFT. Seeing Bioshock and ME there however makes that renewed faith tremble.
Because ME and Bioshock have excellent storylines and characters....whine all you want, but these game series will be known in gaming history for its stories and settings.
[QUOTE="AfterBurnerZ"]I'm surprised aswell. It renewed my faith in humanity.
QFT. Seeing Bioshock and ME there however makes that renewed faith tremble.
Because ME and Bioshock have excellent storylines and characters....whine all you want, but these game series will be known in gaming history for its stories and settings. Bioshock, perhaps, if we discount the final third. As a critique of Objectivism it's fantastic. Obviously, anyone who has read Atlas Shrugged will get MUCH more out of it. Mass Effect is generic as it can possibly be, story and setting wise. There is no originality in it at all. But considering that BioWare has been telling largely the same story for a very long time....[QUOTE="Ribnarak"]This is a story threat dude, not what's your favorite game threat.How can you exclude WARCRAFT.
I havent played WoW, but the warcraft series is one of my favourites.edo-tensei
i think i know that. As i said the series is one of my favourites. And i meant that in terms of story as well...
My list would inculde most of those plus the MGS series. But I read in a post before that you only liked 1 and 3's story. Ah well to each his own, I thought 2 and 4 had the best stories.Zeldafan221
Yeah in all honesty. This thread is opinion based.
Some people like MGS story, some don't. Not everyone's the same. :P
[QUOTE="LookAnDrolL"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]
I am going to start with the first 10 games that have exceptional stories, and sometimes I will group them as a series if the stories connect with eachoter.... texasgoldrush
Texas, I can't agree with your list, but you named some really fine stories.
Grim Fandango its probably the best story in a video game, with Planescape running right behind it.
But you can't leave Soul Reaver story out of that list.... and include Mass Effect and Bioshock on it at the same time. Its just not right.
Bioshock and Mass Effect deserve all the credit they get. Bioshock set up this gaming gens most memorable setting and Mass Effect created some of th emost memorable charcters of this gen. In fact, the story to Bioshock 2's DLC is excellent. It alone beats System Shock 2's narrative, especially with a twist that not only is on the level of "Would you kindly?", but surpasses it to the emotional power. The universe of Mass Effect is fantastic, not only the games are good but the comics and novels are great.Mass Effect has a great backstory, but the plot itselft its very average...
Bioshock is not superior to System Shock 2 in any way exepts for those aspects that the tech and storytelling of today bring to the table ...
On the other hand The legacy of kain series, has better writing, better plot, better dialogue and better voice acting than both. Its not for everyone and you can be sure about that, it has a very complex story, not your average Hollywood easy to get story, but the way the story unfolds and its told its it finest feature.
[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="LookAnDrolL"]
Texas, I can't agree with your list, but you named some really fine stories.
Grim Fandango its probably the best story in a video game, with Planescape running right behind it.
But you can't leave Soul Reaver story out of that list.... and include Mass Effect and Bioshock on it at the same time. Its just not right.
Bioshock and Mass Effect deserve all the credit they get. Bioshock set up this gaming gens most memorable setting and Mass Effect created some of th emost memorable charcters of this gen. In fact, the story to Bioshock 2's DLC is excellent. It alone beats System Shock 2's narrative, especially with a twist that not only is on the level of "Would you kindly?", but surpasses it to the emotional power. The universe of Mass Effect is fantastic, not only the games are good but the comics and novels are great.Mass Effect has a great backstory, but the plot itselft its very average...
Bioshock is not superior to System Shock 2 in any way exepts for those aspects that the tech and storytelling of today bring to the table ...
On the other hand The legacy of kain series, has better writing, better plot, better dialogue and better voice acting than both. Its not for everyone and you can be sure about that, it has a very complex story, not your average Hollywood easy to get story, but the way the story unfolds and its told its it finest feature.
Remember, I am taking the entire Bioshock series as a whole, not just the first game. In fact, I like the second game's story a bit better. Bioshock also have more emotional involvement than SS2 ever did. What made SS2 great was SHODAN, it was its show (or her). Mass Effect may have a generic setting, but the stories it tells are top notch. Some stories are unique and some, like Mass Effect: Retribution, are very unconventional (use of a false protagonist). ME2 is like a TV show more than a movie, which throws people off. Its more about the characters than the plot, kind of like a Star Trek episode. Its the characters that are the plot, more so than stopping the collectors, its about Shepards ability to inspire and support his crew during a difficult mission.[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] I am...and the lens of the story is not real good.texasgoldrush
The lens of the story "is not good?" Lol you have no clue as to what I'm even talking about.
fact of the matter is that a powerful madman and his alien "mommy" trying to drop a meteor on the planet defeats the message that humans would do anything for power at the planet's expense...as its not the humans that are the biggest threat, but that "thing". The game loses its way after that is revealed. The only real message that may hav eworked his how one responds to learning the truth, but due to the ambiguity of Jenova and the plot holes in Seph's character, that too is muddled. FFVII is a game that spits out ideas and themes, but doesn't use them in a cohesive manner. If they truly wanted the game to be about "humans would harm the world in search of power", it would have used Shin Ra as its main antagonist.You still don't undertand what I meant.
Just because Sephiroth is bad for the planet, doesn't mean that humans aren't bad for the planet. The game doesn't have to use Shin-Ra as it's main antagonist for that to be the most prominent theme in the game. Texas, you're making up terminology like "main theme" again. The theme I mentioned is cohesive, strong, and clear. Moreover, many aspects of the game that you fail to understand have been explained to you time and time again. It's not worth discussing it with you when you don't understand what I mean by "lens," you don't understand FFVII, and you don't even understand storytelling.
fact of the matter is that a powerful madman and his alien "mommy" trying to drop a meteor on the planet defeats the message that humans would do anything for power at the planet's expense...as its not the humans that are the biggest threat, but that "thing". The game loses its way after that is revealed. The only real message that may hav eworked his how one responds to learning the truth, but due to the ambiguity of Jenova and the plot holes in Seph's character, that too is muddled. FFVII is a game that spits out ideas and themes, but doesn't use them in a cohesive manner. If they truly wanted the game to be about "humans would harm the world in search of power", it would have used Shin Ra as its main antagonist.[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]
The lens of the story "is not good?" Lol you have no clue as to what I'm even talking about.
hakanakumono
You still don't undertand what I meant.
Just because Sephiroth is bad for the planet, doesn't mean that humans aren't bad for the planet. The game doesn't have to use Shin-Ra as it's main antagonist for that to be the most prominent theme in the game. Texas, you're making up terminology like "main theme" again. The theme I mentioned is cohesive, strong, and clear. Moreover, many aspects of the game that you fail to understand have been explained to you time and time again. It's not worth discussing it with you when you don't understand what I mean by "lens," you don't understand FFVII, and you don't even understand storytelling.
The main conflict is not the conflict between humans and the planet. Its the battle between Cloud and Sephiroth. The conflict is about how you react when learning the truth or what you think is the truth. Thats how they became a hero and villian respectively. Thats a more prominant theme than the one you keep mentioning. Thats just background. Why? Because the main threat is not human but extraterristrial.The main theme always comes from the main conflict with either man vs man, man vs environment, etc.
None of the themes are truly well executed however due to flaws in direction.
i hate when people do thisKewl. Blog it.
Shirokishi_
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]
[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] fact of the matter is that a powerful madman and his alien "mommy" trying to drop a meteor on the planet defeats the message that humans would do anything for power at the planet's expense...as its not the humans that are the biggest threat, but that "thing". The game loses its way after that is revealed. The only real message that may hav eworked his how one responds to learning the truth, but due to the ambiguity of Jenova and the plot holes in Seph's character, that too is muddled. FFVII is a game that spits out ideas and themes, but doesn't use them in a cohesive manner. If they truly wanted the game to be about "humans would harm the world in search of power", it would have used Shin Ra as its main antagonist.texasgoldrush
You still don't undertand what I meant.
Just because Sephiroth is bad for the planet, doesn't mean that humans aren't bad for the planet. The game doesn't have to use Shin-Ra as it's main antagonist for that to be the most prominent theme in the game. Texas, you're making up terminology like "main theme" again. The theme I mentioned is cohesive, strong, and clear. Moreover, many aspects of the game that you fail to understand have been explained to you time and time again. It's not worth discussing it with you when you don't understand what I mean by "lens," you don't understand FFVII, and you don't even understand storytelling.
The main conflict is not the conflict between humans and the planet. Its the battle between Cloud and Sephiroth. The conflict is about how you react when learning the truth or what you think is the truth. Thats how they became a hero and villian respectively. Thats a more prominant theme than the one you keep mentioning. Thats just background. Why? Because the main threat is not human but extraterristrial.The main theme always comes from the main conflict with either man vs man, man vs environment, etc.
None of the themes are truly well executed however due to flaws in direction.
Sephiroth destroying the planet with meteor is the conflict. Humans and their place in the world is the larger picture.
No.
Time to go back to middle school:
THEME
The main idea or underlying meaning of a literary work. A theme may be stated or implied. Theme differs from the subject or topic of a literary work in that it involves a statement or opinion about the topic. Not every literary work has a theme. Themes may be major or minor. A major theme is an idea the author returns to time and again. It becomes one of the most important ideas in the story. Minor themes are ideas that may appear from time to time.
It is important to recognize the difference between the theme of a literary work and the subject of a literary work. The subject is the topic on which an author has chosen to write. The theme, however, makes some statement about or expresses some opinion on that topic. For example, the subject of a story might be war while the theme might be the idea that war is useless.
Four ways in which an author can express themes are as follows:
1. Themes are expressed and emphasized by the way the author makes us feel.. By sharing feelings of the main character you also share the ideas that go through his mind.
2. Themes are presented in thoughts and conversations. Authors put words in their character's mouths only for good reasons. One of these is to develop a story's themes. The things a person says are much on their mind. Look for thoughts that are repeated throughout the story.
3. Themes are suggested through the characters. The main character usually illustrates the most important theme of the story. A good way to get at this theme is to ask yourself the question, what does the main character learn in the course of the story?
4. The actions or events in the story are used to suggest theme. People naturally express ideas and feelings through their actions. One thing authors think about is what an action will "say". In other words, how will the action express an idea or theme?
http://www.orangeusd.k12.ca.us/yorba/literary_elements.htm
I hope you learned something.
I think the Darkness also deserves a mention, just for something that kind of broke the mold.Why does no one ever mention Freelancer in these types of threads? The story, and universe, are top-notch.
psn8214
one of the last games, i really got enthralled into the story is most likely, Infamous, I found it quite good..... and it was one of the only games where the story hasnt been spoiled for me haha.
I also like the story line for
DarkBrother Hood Guild in Oblivion XD
[QUOTE="psn8214"]I think the Darkness also deserves a mention, just for something that kind of broke the mold. Darkness , was amazing. good call.Why does no one ever mention Freelancer in these types of threads? The story, and universe, are top-notch.
DarkLink77
The main conflict is not the conflict between humans and the planet. Its the battle between Cloud and Sephiroth. The conflict is about how you react when learning the truth or what you think is the truth. Thats how they became a hero and villian respectively. Thats a more prominant theme than the one you keep mentioning. Thats just background. Why? Because the main threat is not human but extraterristrial.[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]
You still don't undertand what I meant.
Just because Sephiroth is bad for the planet, doesn't mean that humans aren't bad for the planet. The game doesn't have to use Shin-Ra as it's main antagonist for that to be the most prominent theme in the game. Texas, you're making up terminology like "main theme" again. The theme I mentioned is cohesive, strong, and clear. Moreover, many aspects of the game that you fail to understand have been explained to you time and time again. It's not worth discussing it with you when you don't understand what I mean by "lens," you don't understand FFVII, and you don't even understand storytelling.
hakanakumono
The main theme always comes from the main conflict with either man vs man, man vs environment, etc.
None of the themes are truly well executed however due to flaws in direction.
Sephiroth destroying the planet with meteor is the conflict. Humans and their place in the world is the larger picture.
No.
Time to go back to middle school:
THEME
The main idea or underlying meaning of a literary work. A theme may be stated or implied. Theme differs from the subject or topic of a literary work in that it involves a statement or opinion about the topic. Not every literary work has a theme. Themes may be major or minor. A major theme is an idea the author returns to time and again. It becomes one of the most important ideas in the story. Minor themes are ideas that may appear from time to time.
It is important to recognize the difference between the theme of a literary work and the subject of a literary work. The subject is the topic on which an author has chosen to write. The theme, however, makes some statement about or expresses some opinion on that topic. For example, the subject of a story might be war while the theme might be the idea that war is useless.
Four ways in which an author can express themes are as follows:
1. Themes are expressed and emphasized by the way the author makes us feel.. By sharing feelings of the main character you also share the ideas that go through his mind.
2. Themes are presented in thoughts and conversations. Authors put words in their character's mouths only for good reasons. One of these is to develop a story's themes. The things a person says are much on their mind. Look for thoughts that are repeated throughout the story.
3. Themes are suggested through the characters. The main character usually illustrates the most important theme of the story. A good way to get at this theme is to ask yourself the question, what does the main character learn in the course of the story?
4. The actions or events in the story are used to suggest theme. People naturally express ideas and feelings through their actions. One thing authors think about is what an action will "say". In other words, how will the action express an idea or theme?
http://www.orangeusd.k12.ca.us/yorba/literary_elements.htm
I hope you learned something.
and the concept that humans will destroy the planet in the pursuit of personal gain (which is the minor theme) is not the underlying main theme of FFVII. Its about Cloud finding the truth about himself and becoming a hero while Seph becomes a villian on a lie. The crappy unnecessary sequel Advent Children solidifies this.Main theme - to find your past and use the lessons learned to act on the future
Minor theme - humans will destroy the planet in the pursuit of personal gain
And once again, one the weaknesses of FFVII is the disconnect between the background theme you mentioned and the main theme I mentioned. It does not work as a cohesive whole, unlike how all the minor themes of FFVI come togther in its main underlying theme.
And perhaps you should learn your own lesson when I talk about FFVI.
[QUOTE="psn8214"]I think the Darkness also deserves a mention, just for something that kind of broke the mold.Why does no one ever mention Freelancer in these types of threads? The story, and universe, are top-notch.
DarkLink77
Freelancer though man... that was greatness. A seriously awesome space epic with political intrigue, and an interesting evolution/breakdown of modern society. There's a TON to it too, it's easily one of the most fleshed out games of all time.
I think the Darkness also deserves a mention, just for something that kind of broke the mold.[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="psn8214"]
Why does no one ever mention Freelancer in these types of threads? The story, and universe, are top-notch.
psn8214
Freelancer though man... that was greatness. A seriously awesome space epic with political intrigue, and an interesting evolution/breakdown of modern society. There's a TON to it too, it's easily one of the most fleshed out games of all time.
Ain't never played it myself, but I'll take your word for it.and the concept that humans will destroy the planet in the pursuit of personal gain (which is the minor theme) is not the underlying main theme of FFVII. Its about Cloud finding the truth about himself and becoming a hero while Seph becomes a villian on a lie. The crappy unnecessary sequel Advent Children solidifies this.[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]
It is important to recognize the difference between the theme of a literary work and the subject of a literary work.The subject is the topic on which an author has chosen to write. The theme, however, makes some statement about or expresses some opinion on that topic.
texasgoldrush
And perhaps you should learn your own lesson when I talk about FFVI.
Texas, a theme is a message. Cloud vs. Sephiroth is not a theme. The "planet" theme stretches throughout the entire game and takes upon the most prominent role. The fact that you don't include Sephiroth in is a bit of a joke, considering Sephiroth is human and is willing to destroy the planet for his own personal gain.
Advent Children is irrelevant to the game released in 1997.
We're not talking about FFVI. But you've proven time and time again you don't understand the meaning of a "theme," in regards to that game.
and the concept that humans will destroy the planet in the pursuit of personal gain (which is the minor theme) is not the underlying main theme of FFVII. Its about Cloud finding the truth about himself and becoming a hero while Seph becomes a villian on a lie. The crappy unnecessary sequel Advent Children solidifies this.[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]
It is important to recognize the difference between the theme of a literary work and the subject of a literary work.The subject is the topic on which an author has chosen to write. The theme, however, makes some statement about or expresses some opinion on that topic.
hakanakumono
And perhaps you should learn your own lesson when I talk about FFVI.
Texas, a theme is a message. Cloud vs. Sephiroth is not a theme. The "planet" theme stretches throughout the entire game and takes upon the most prominent role. The fact that you don't include Sephiroth in is a bit of a joke, considering Sephiroth is human and is willing to destroy the planet for his own personal gain.
Advent Children is irrelevant to the game released in 1997.
We're not talking about FFVI. But you've proven time and time again you don't understand the meaning of a "theme," in regards to that game.
Main theme - to find your past and use the lessons learned to act on the future That is the main theme of FFVII...it is the most prominant theme, more so than the "planet" theme. The entire game is centered on Cloud's character, the most protagonist centric FF other than FFIV and FFVIII. Its his conflict with Sephiroth that is the prominant storyline in FFVII.Sephiroth may be human, but he thinks he is not. Of course you have is alien "mommy" who many fans think is the main villian.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] and the concept that humans will destroy the planet in the pursuit of personal gain (which is the minor theme) is not the underlying main theme of FFVII. Its about Cloud finding the truth about himself and becoming a hero while Seph becomes a villian on a lie. The crappy unnecessary sequel Advent Children solidifies this.
And perhaps you should learn your own lesson when I talk about FFVI.
texasgoldrush
Texas, a theme is a message. Cloud vs. Sephiroth is not a theme. The "planet" theme stretches throughout the entire game and takes upon the most prominent role. The fact that you don't include Sephiroth in is a bit of a joke, considering Sephiroth is human and is willing to destroy the planet for his own personal gain.
Advent Children is irrelevant to the game released in 1997.
We're not talking about FFVI. But you've proven time and time again you don't understand the meaning of a "theme," in regards to that game.
Main theme - to find your past and use the lessons learned to act on the future That is the main theme of FFVII...it is the most prominant theme, more so than the "planet" theme.No, that is not a theme. That is a subject.
Main theme - to find your past and use the lessons learned to act on the future That is the main theme of FFVII...it is the most prominant theme, more so than the "planet" theme.[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]
Texas, a theme is a message. Cloud vs. Sephiroth is not a theme. The "planet" theme stretches throughout the entire game and takes upon the most prominent role. The fact that you don't include Sephiroth in is a bit of a joke, considering Sephiroth is human and is willing to destroy the planet for his own personal gain.
Advent Children is irrelevant to the game released in 1997.
We're not talking about FFVI. But you've proven time and time again you don't understand the meaning of a "theme," in regards to that game.
hakanakumono
No, that is not a theme. That is a subject.
Cloud find his true past (with the help of Tifa), accepts it, and acts on it to become the hero to bring down a villian that acts on a lie.
that is to a theme[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] and the concept that humans will destroy the planet in the pursuit of personal gain (which is the minor theme) is not the underlying main theme of FFVII. Its about Cloud finding the truth about himself and becoming a hero while Seph becomes a villian on a lie. The crappy unnecessary sequel Advent Children solidifies this.
And perhaps you should learn your own lesson when I talk about FFVI.
texasgoldrush
Texas, a theme is a message. Cloud vs. Sephiroth is not a theme. The "planet" theme stretches throughout the entire game and takes upon the most prominent role. The fact that you don't include Sephiroth in is a bit of a joke, considering Sephiroth is human and is willing to destroy the planet for his own personal gain.
Advent Children is irrelevant to the game released in 1997.
We're not talking about FFVI. But you've proven time and time again you don't understand the meaning of a "theme," in regards to that game.
Main theme - to find your past and use the lessons learned to act on the future That is the main theme of FFVII...it is the most prominant theme, more so than the "planet" theme.Cloud's voyage of self-discovery isn't really the theme. It's an important part of the story, no doubt, but the theme is more focused on the planet's destruction than anything else. You could say self-discovery/self-acceptance/the "it's okay to be yourself" idea is a theme (and Cloud and Sephiroth both go through a journey of self-discovery, though to different ends), but Cloud v. Sephiroth is not a theme in and of itself. And please don't bring up Advent Children. That movie ruins FFVII, It completely undoes Cloud's character arc, ruins a majority of the supporting cast, etc, etc. It's an abomination. A pretty one, but an abomination.
While it might best some of the games on this list, I really honestly don't understand why people think the Metal Gear stories are so great. I think some people get taken away by "how" the story is told and then as a result feel it was a great story. No doubt they are told well (too many cutscenes to be honest), but I find MGS full of the same old contrived plot twists.
When held up to games like Planescape or Grim Fandango, MGS pales in originality.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]
[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Main theme - to find your past and use the lessons learned to act on the future That is the main theme of FFVII...it is the most prominant theme, more so than the "planet" theme.texasgoldrush
No, that is not a theme. That is a subject.
Cloud find his true past (with the help of Tifa), accepts it, and acts on it to become the hero to bring down a villian that acts on a lie.
that is to a themeNo, it is not a theme. You still do not understand what a theme is. A theme is a message. It isn't a concept. It isn't subject matter.
These are a just a few of the many possible literary subjects and themes. the point to remember is that a subject is not a theme: a subject is some dimension of the human condition examined by the work; a theme is a statement, direct or implied, about the subject. The themes about the subjects on the list are still fairly general. As a critical writer discussing a particular literary work, you'll need to bring your observations about theme closer to the work.
http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/patten/theme.html
For example,
Subject: "saving the planet"
Theme: "Humans are harmful to the planet."
[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]Main theme - to find your past and use the lessons learned to act on the future That is the main theme of FFVII...it is the most prominant theme, more so than the "planet" theme. Cloud's voyage of self-discovery isn't really the theme. It's an important part of the story, no doubt, but the theme is more focused on the planet's destruction than anything else. You could say self-discovery/self-acceptance is a theme (and Cloud and Sephiroth both go through a journey of self-discovery, though to different ends), but Cloud v. Sephiroth is not a theme in and of itself. And please don't bring up Advent Children. That movie ruins FFVII, It completely undoes Cloud's character arc, ruins a majority of the supporting cast, etc, etc. It's an abomination. A pretty one, but an abomination. The problem is, its not the humans that are the true threat, but an alien entity...that muddles that message of how human actions distrub and can destroy the planet,as humans ar eno longer the biggest threat the planet has.Texas, a theme is a message. Cloud vs. Sephiroth is not a theme. The "planet" theme stretches throughout the entire game and takes upon the most prominent role. The fact that you don't include Sephiroth in is a bit of a joke, considering Sephiroth is human and is willing to destroy the planet for his own personal gain.
Advent Children is irrelevant to the game released in 1997.
We're not talking about FFVI. But you've proven time and time again you don't understand the meaning of a "theme," in regards to that game.
DarkLink77
[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]
No, that is not a theme. That is a subject.
Cloud find his true past (with the help of Tifa), accepts it, and acts on it to become the hero to bring down a villian that acts on a lie.
that is to a themeNo, it is not a theme. You still do not understand what a theme is. A theme is a message. It isn't a concept. It isn't subject matter.
These are a just a few of the many possible literary subjects and themes. the point to remember is that a subject is not a theme: a subject is some dimension of the human condition examined by the work; a theme is a statement, direct or implied, about the subject. The themes about the subjects on the list are still fairly general. As a critical writer discussing a particular literary work, you'll need to bring your observations about theme closer to the work.
http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/patten/theme.html
For example,
Subject: "saving the planet"
Theme: "Humans are harmful to the planet."
and what I said is the theme...find your past, learn from it, and use your knowledge and memories from it to affect the future.Cloud's voyage of self-discovery isn't really the theme. It's an important part of the story, no doubt, but the theme is more focused on the planet's destruction than anything else. You could say self-discovery/self-acceptance is a theme (and Cloud and Sephiroth both go through a journey of self-discovery, though to different ends), but Cloud v. Sephiroth is not a theme in and of itself. And please don't bring up Advent Children. That movie ruins FFVII, It completely undoes Cloud's character arc, ruins a majority of the supporting cast, etc, etc. It's an abomination. A pretty one, but an abomination. The problem is, its not the humans that are the true threat, but an alien entity...that muddles that message of how human actions distrub and can destroy the planet,as humans ar eno longer the biggest threat the planet has. Everything that happens in the game is the result of the actions taken by Shin-Ra. Sephiroth is created by Shin-Ra, etc.[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Main theme - to find your past and use the lessons learned to act on the future That is the main theme of FFVII...it is the most prominant theme, more so than the "planet" theme.texasgoldrush
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] that is to a theme
texasgoldrush
No, it is not a theme. You still do not understand what a theme is. A theme is a message. It isn't a concept. It isn't subject matter.
These are a just a few of the many possible literary subjects and themes. the point to remember is that a subject is not a theme: a subject is some dimension of the human condition examined by the work; a theme is a statement, direct or implied, about the subject. The themes about the subjects on the list are still fairly general. As a critical writer discussing a particular literary work, you'll need to bring your observations about theme closer to the work.
http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/patten/theme.html
For example,
Subject: "saving the planet"
Theme: "Humans are harmful to the planet."
and what I said is the theme...find your past, learn from it, and use your knowledge and memories from it to affect the future.Texas, you have a lot of learning to do before I'll be willing to have any sort of "conversation" about this.
Cloud's voyage of self-discovery isn't really the theme. It's an important part of the story, no doubt, but the theme is more focused on the planet's destruction than anything else. You could say self-discovery/self-acceptance is a theme (and Cloud and Sephiroth both go through a journey of self-discovery, though to different ends), but Cloud v. Sephiroth is not a theme in and of itself. And please don't bring up Advent Children. That movie ruins FFVII, It completely undoes Cloud's character arc, ruins a majority of the supporting cast, etc, etc. It's an abomination. A pretty one, but an abomination. The problem is, its not the humans that are the true threat, but an alien entity...that muddles that message of how human actions distrub and can destroy the planet,as humans ar eno longer the biggest threat the planet has.[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Main theme - to find your past and use the lessons learned to act on the future That is the main theme of FFVII...it is the most prominant theme, more so than the "planet" theme.texasgoldrush
While this is completely missing the point, it is possible for two things in the story to be a threat to the planet. The imaginary rules you keep making up are aggrivating, especially in light of how little you understand about "themes" and actual aspects of the structure behind literary works.
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