Top reasons why ME2 fails as a coherent story BIG SPOILERS

Lol....Revan is still trolling this game?

Now thats dedication.

I bought the game because it was one of the highest reviewed games ever and i wanted something close to perfection. Oh, boy was i wrong...But still i tried to like it, like when i bought a 360 and convinced myself that the graphics didn't suck and that holding a controller in my hands didn't feel like holding a dried turd in my hands. But then it broke down and i got a gaming PC.

Revan_911

Lol, you've gone beypond annoying, and I find you rather amusing now.

Trolling really isn't your thing eh? You're too obvious.

[QUOTE="Revan_911"]

1. How stupid is the Concil?

Ok, in the first game the Concil was pretty stupid, but in the second they were complete morons. So they tell me that they don't beilve that the Reapers are a threat when a Reaper destroyed their fleet and killed everyone on the cidatel. And they tell me " Meh, nothing to worry about, nothing but an isolated incident". Yeah, ok Bioware try harder next time! These were supposed to be the wisest of the species, to make decisions affecting the entire galaxy and they can't admit the reapers exist WHEN A REAPER ALMOST KILLED THEM. Remember that WEAK WRITTING I WAS TALKING ABOUT? Don't even tell me "They were afraid to admit the truth" that was the excuse in the first game and it barely worked then, but now...

2. Nobody cares about human colonies?

So humans are a member of the concil now, they have enourmous galactic power, but when entire colonies dissapear no one is willing to do anything about it? Ok, at first they didn't know what was causing it , but you have proof that the collectors are behind it, and no one wants to do anything about it? Except Sheppard ofcourse, but what happened to the Alliance ? Do they have their heads inside their asses the entire game? They ignore it like nothing's happened and its thousands of lives we're talking about. No human in the entire game i met cared about that.

3. How many reapers are there?

I seem to remember that i boarded a reaper that was 25 million years old. So if the reapers returned every 50 000 years, that would mean that they assimilated 500 races. So there are 500 types of reapers out there at least correct? If every reaper is moddeled after a certain race, then WHY DO ALL THE REAPERS LOOK THE SAME? There should be 500 different reapers out there (And according that almost all the advanced races are humanoids, then most of them should look like humanoids). If anyone remembers the cutscene at the end all the reapers were coming and they all looked the same, they all looked like the Sovereign, like a giant bug. This is a plot hole, you can't convince me otherwise. Even the ancient reaper looked the same as the rest.

akbar13

I bought the game because it was one of the highest reviewed games ever and i wanted something close to perfection. Oh, boy was i wrong...But still i tried to like it, like when i bought a 360 and convinced myself that the graphics didn't suck and that holding a controller in my hands didn't feel like holding a dried turd in my hands. But then it broke down and i got a gaming PC.

Revan_911

i think you've got an unhealthy obsession

[QUOTE="akbar13"]

[QUOTE="Revan_911"]

1. How stupid is the Concil?

Ok, in the first game the Concil was pretty stupid, but in the second they were complete morons. So they tell me that they don't beilve that the Reapers are a threat when a Reaper destroyed their fleet and killed everyone on the cidatel. And they tell me " Meh, nothing to worry about, nothing but an isolated incident". Yeah, ok Bioware try harder next time! These were supposed to be the wisest of the species, to make decisions affecting the entire galaxy and they can't admit the reapers exist WHEN A REAPER ALMOST KILLED THEM. Remember that WEAK WRITTING I WAS TALKING ABOUT? Don't even tell me "They were afraid to admit the truth" that was the excuse in the first game and it barely worked then, but now...

2. Nobody cares about human colonies?

So humans are a member of the concil now, they have enourmous galactic power, but when entire colonies dissapear no one is willing to do anything about it? Ok, at first they didn't know what was causing it , but you have proof that the collectors are behind it, and no one wants to do anything about it? Except Sheppard ofcourse, but what happened to the Alliance ? Do they have their heads inside their asses the entire game? They ignore it like nothing's happened and its thousands of lives we're talking about. No human in the entire game i met cared about that.

3. How many reapers are there?

I seem to remember that i boarded a reaper that was 25 million years old. So if the reapers returned every 50 000 years, that would mean that they assimilated 500 races. So there are 500 types of reapers out there at least correct? If every reaper is moddeled after a certain race, then WHY DO ALL THE REAPERS LOOK THE SAME? There should be 500 different reapers out there (And according that almost all the advanced races are humanoids, then most of them should look like humanoids). If anyone remembers the cutscene at the end all the reapers were coming and they all looked the same, they all looked like the Sovereign, like a giant bug. This is a plot hole, you can't convince me otherwise. Even the ancient reaper looked the same as the rest.

Revan_911

The human reaper wasn't really explained in the 2nd, because it will no doubt become part of the plot for the 3rd. Why would they show all their cards early, lol.

I bought the game because it was one of the highest reviewed games ever and i wanted something close to perfection. Oh, boy was i wrong...But still i tried to like it, like when i bought a 360 and convinced myself that the graphics didn't suck and that holding a controller in my hands didn't feel like holding a dried turd in my hands. But then it broke down and i got a gaming PC.

Revan_911

I bought the game because it was one of the highest reviewed games ever and i wanted something close to perfection. Oh, boy was i wrong...But still i tried to like it, like when i bought a 360 and convinced myself that the graphics didn't suck and that holding a controller in my hands didn't feel like holding a dried turd in my hands. But then it broke down and i got a gaming PC.

Revan_911

It seems to me that you took the things that you either didn't understand, or didn't put in the effort to understand and created absurd ways to bash on these three points.

deep down the council obviously knows that reapers exist, but what would happen if this was let out to th public? a **** storm"again just minor observation on the player's part

just because humans have a spot on the council mean absolutely nothing, the other species still view them with antagonism and superiority. And these colonies were mostly in the most farthest and randomest of systems.

the reapers according to lore, were 'always' there. you are just stretching what harbinger was trying to do with a human reaper and twisting into more absurd plot ideas.

try harder next time.

Wow, TC never gives up. I'm beginning to think the BioWare CEO stole his wife :D

It seems to me that you took the things that you either didn't understand, or didn't put in the effort to understand and created absurd ways to bash on these three points.

deep down the council obviously knows that reapers exist, but what would happen if this was let out to th public? a **** storm"again just minor observation on the player's part

just because humans have a spot on the council mean absolutely nothing, the other species still view them with antagonism and superiority. And these colonies were mostly in the most farthest and randomest of systems.

the reapers according to lore, were 'always' there. you are just stretching what harbinger was trying to do with a human reaper and twisting into more absurd plot ideas.

try harder next time.

Dead-Memories

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

It seems to me that you took the things that you either didn't understand, or didn't put in the effort to understand and created absurd ways to bash on these three points.

deep down the council obviously knows that reapers exist, but what would happen if this was let out to th public? a **** storm"again just minor observation on the player's part

just because humans have a spot on the council mean absolutely nothing, the other species still view them with antagonism and superiority. And these colonies were mostly in the most farthest and randomest of systems.

the reapers according to lore, were 'always' there. you are just stretching what harbinger was trying to do with a human reaper and twisting into more absurd plot ideas.

try harder next time.

Revan_911

Again, you avoided my other point, about the possibility that it isn't ALL of the reapers, because, unfortunately, it pokes a hole in your criticism.

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

It seems to me that you took the things that you either didn't understand, or didn't put in the effort to understand and created absurd ways to bash on these three points.

deep down the council obviously knows that reapers exist, but what would happen if this was let out to th public? a **** storm"again just minor observation on the player's part

just because humans have a spot on the council mean absolutely nothing, the other species still view them with antagonism and superiority. And these colonies were mostly in the most farthest and randomest of systems.

the reapers according to lore, were 'always' there. you are just stretching what harbinger was trying to do with a human reaper and twisting into more absurd plot ideas.

try harder next time.

Revan_911

are we going to assume that the whole reaper race is limited to that cutscene so that we can make your bashing logical?

[QUOTE="akbar13"]

[QUOTE="Revan_911"]

1. How stupid is the Concil?

Ok, in the first game the Concil was pretty stupid, but in the second they were complete morons. So they tell me that they don't beilve that the Reapers are a threat when a Reaper destroyed their fleet and killed everyone on the cidatel. And they tell me " Meh, nothing to worry about, nothing but an isolated incident". Yeah, ok Bioware try harder next time! These were supposed to be the wisest of the species, to make decisions affecting the entire galaxy and they can't admit the reapers exist WHEN A REAPER ALMOST KILLED THEM. Remember that WEAK WRITTING I WAS TALKING ABOUT? Don't even tell me "They were afraid to admit the truth" that was the excuse in the first game and it barely worked then, but now...

2. Nobody cares about human colonies?

So humans are a member of the concil now, they have enourmous galactic power, but when entire colonies dissapear no one is willing to do anything about it? Ok, at first they didn't know what was causing it , but you have proof that the collectors are behind it, and no one wants to do anything about it? Except Sheppard ofcourse, but what happened to the Alliance ? Do they have their heads inside their asses the entire game? They ignore it like nothing's happened and its thousands of lives we're talking about. No human in the entire game i met cared about that.

3. How many reapers are there?

I seem to remember that i boarded a reaper that was 25 million years old. So if the reapers returned every 50 000 years, that would mean that they assimilated 500 races. So there are 500 types of reapers out there at least correct? If every reaper is moddeled after a certain race, then WHY DO ALL THE REAPERS LOOK THE SAME? There should be 500 different reapers out there (And according that almost all the advanced races are humanoids, then most of them should look like humanoids). If anyone remembers the cutscene at the end all the reapers were coming and they all looked the same, they all looked like the Sovereign, like a giant bug. This is a plot hole, you can't convince me otherwise. Even the ancient reaper looked the same as the rest.

Revan_911

[QUOTE="Revan_911"][QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

It seems to me that you took the things that you either didn't understand, or didn't put in the effort to understand and created absurd ways to bash on these three points.

deep down the council obviously knows that reapers exist, but what would happen if this was let out to th public? a **** storm"again just minor observation on the player's part

just because humans have a spot on the council mean absolutely nothing, the other species still view them with antagonism and superiority. And these colonies were mostly in the most farthest and randomest of systems.

the reapers according to lore, were 'always' there. you are just stretching what harbinger was trying to do with a human reaper and twisting into more absurd plot ideas.

try harder next time.

Dead-Memories

He has no counterpoint to it. I brought it to his attention, and he's tried to sidestep it.

[QUOTE="Revan_911"][QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

It seems to me that you took the things that you either didn't understand, or didn't put in the effort to understand and created absurd ways to bash on these three points.

deep down the council obviously knows that reapers exist, but what would happen if this was let out to th public? a **** storm"again just minor observation on the player's part

just because humans have a spot on the council mean absolutely nothing, the other species still view them with antagonism and superiority. And these colonies were mostly in the most farthest and randomest of systems.

the reapers according to lore, were 'always' there. you are just stretching what harbinger was trying to do with a human reaper and twisting into more absurd plot ideas.

try harder next time.

lundy86_4

Again, you avoided my other point, about the possibility that it isn't ALL of the reapers, because, unfortunately, it pokes a hole in your criticism.

I always wondered how this Alliance made their capitol this alien base that used technology that they didn't understand and also were okay with the keepers that they didn't understand and seems like they didn't want to learn anything about. I know that if it were us our scientists would be all over that alien tech. and i'd hope that our governments wouldn't be stupid enough to make it their home base before we knew what it was and how it worked.Ontain

Obviously haven't played the game ! There's an explanation at the end where they say that Every reaper is modeled after an assimilated race.Revan_911

Again, you avoided my other point, about the possibility that it isn't ALL of the reapers, because, unfortunately, it pokes a hole in your criticism.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Revan_911"] Obviously haven't played the game ! There's an explanation at the end where they say that Every reaper is modeled after an assimilated race.Revan_911

Again, you avoided my other point, about the possibility that it isn't ALL of the reapers, because, unfortunately, it pokes a hole in your criticism.

There were not 100. No, it did not explain that it was all the reapers, therefore you are ASSUMING it is. Meaning, you have no facts to back up your statement, and I have brought it reasonable doubt.

It could simply be a first or second wave.

On top of that, we only saw maybe 10 close up, and some further in the distance.

[QUOTE="Revan_911"]

[QUOTE="akbar13"] All the reapers look the same because that is only the outside shell...

akbar13

[QUOTE="Revan_911"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Again, you avoided my other point, about the possibility that it isn't ALL of the reapers, because, unfortunately, it pokes a hole in your criticism.

lundy86_4

There were not 100. No, it did not explain that it was all the reapers, therefore you are ASSUMING it is. Meaning, you have no facts to back up your statement, and I have brought it reasonable doubt.

It could simply be a first or second wave.

On top of that, we only saw maybe 10 close up, and some further in the distance.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]I always wondered how this Alliance made their capitol this alien base that used technology that they didn't understand and also were okay with the keepers that they didn't understand and seems like they didn't want to learn anything about. I know that if it were us our scientists would be all over that alien tech. and i'd hope that our governments wouldn't be stupid enough to make it their home base before we knew what it was and how it worked.Revan_911

that's explained in the first game, but good try anyways

what i don't understand is that we give you answers, but you just get increasingly more hostile towards our answers and towards the mass effect franchise as a whole

aka: you don't come across as legit, rather just trying to spark hostile arguments and extremely quick to judge, or as other put it - troll

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Revan_911"] I already said it ! Pay attention please i repeat myself a hundred times. I saw at least 100 reapers in the end cutscene. And they all looked the same, like the sovereign like the derelict reaper. According to the logic at the end every reaper should look different depending upon which race it was created on.Revan_911

There were not 100. No, it did not explain that it was all the reapers, therefore you are ASSUMING it is. Meaning, you have no facts to back up your statement, and I have brought it reasonable doubt.

It could simply be a first or second wave.

On top of that, we only saw maybe 10 close up, and some further in the distance.

I watched it, and learn to count. I also said, you see maybe 10 up close. Yes, i've played and completed it, and am on my 2nd runthrough. You haven't countered my point about it not being all the reapers, because you can't.

Seriously, learn to troll next time ok, because this is just embarassing.

I think this thread has become pretty embarassing and a brutal troll attempt. Why no lock mods?

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Revan_911"] I already said it ! Pay attention please i repeat myself a hundred times. I saw at least 100 reapers in the end cutscene. And they all looked the same, like the sovereign like the derelict reaper. According to the logic at the end every reaper should look different depending upon which race it was created on.Revan_911

There were not 100. No, it did not explain that it was all the reapers, therefore you are ASSUMING it is. Meaning, you have no facts to back up your statement, and I have brought it reasonable doubt.

It could simply be a first or second wave.

On top of that, we only saw maybe 10 close up, and some further in the distance.

He finally revealed the secret. He didn't play the game, he's just basing everything off of Youtube videos...

*ALT+TAB*

*looks at thread*

*Goes back to ME2*

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Revan_911"] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5fj0xvMCJg Watch it from 6.40. There are at least 1000 reapers in the background and they all look the same, you will notice if you look closely. Like seriously have you even played the game.Revan_911

I watched it, and learn to count. I also said, you see maybe 10 up close. Yes, i've played and completed it, and am on my 2nd runthrough. You haven't countered my point about it not being all the reapers, because you can't.

Seriously, learn to troll next time ok, because this is just embarassing.

I have perfect vision, so I don't need glasses and again, you haven't described how this could not be a first wave, and you have given no proof that their are different types of reapers. You're just repeating and going in circles.

[QUOTE="Revan_911"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

There were not 100. No, it did not explain that it was all the reapers, therefore you are ASSUMING it is. Meaning, you have no facts to back up your statement, and I have brought it reasonable doubt.

It could simply be a first or second wave.

On top of that, we only saw maybe 10 close up, and some further in the distance.

MizFitAwesome

He finally revealed the secret. He didn't play the game, he's just basing everything off of Youtube videos...

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Revan_911"] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5fj0xvMCJg Watch it from 6.40. There are at least 1000 reapers in the background and they all look the same, you will notice if you look closely. Like seriously have you even played the game.Revan_911

I watched it, and learn to count. I also said, you see maybe 10 up close. Yes, i've played and completed it, and am on my 2nd runthrough. You haven't countered my point about it not being all the reapers, because you can't.

Seriously, learn to troll next time ok, because this is just embarassing.

I have to go with him on this one,they do look exactly the same.

I have to go with him at this one,I guess that they were spposed to look like a big army.

Does someone remember the whole argument, where i said that they didnt explain the motivation of the reapers in the first game? Well they explained it here. It was Asimilation. Hunting down the advanced race and making a new reaper out of it. Even in the end they explained that they are making a reaper out of each race. So why is there only one reaper (reaper that looks like a bug. Like the sovereign and every other reaper in the end cutscene). So if they dont come up with an explanation in the third game my points still stands WEAK WRITING.

Also in the first point WEAK WRITING. They used the "Reapers are not a threat in the first game" Well Sovereign sure proved them wrong right ? So why would Bioware use the same excuse in the second game. WEAK WRITING!!!

It would be ok, if everyone didnt claim that ME is the best told story this gen. Its unoriginal, bland and full of WEAK WRITING!Revan_911

And the Reapers...[spoiler ]

All look different.

Here's a better look at the faces.

And heres the bodies.

[/spoiler ]

So with that explained(again) What now?:|

Why do we alway have to explain the plot to you piece by piece?

edit: Oops......Was to angry to proof read.:P

Am I the only person having trouble making spoiler tags?

TC just got owned...

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="Revan_911"] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5fj0xvMCJg Watch it from 6.40. There are at least 1000 reapers in the background and they all look the same, you will notice if you look closely. Like seriously have you even played the game.Arach666

He finally revealed the secret. He didn't play the game, he's just basing everything off of Youtube videos...

[QUOTE="Revan_911"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

I watched it, and learn to count. I also said, you see maybe 10 up close. Yes, i've played and completed it, and am on my 2nd runthrough. You haven't countered my point about it not being all the reapers, because you can't.

Seriously, learn to troll next time ok, because this is just embarassing.

Regisland

I have to go with him on this one,they do look exactly the same.

I have to go with him at this one,I guess that they were spposed to look like a big army.

I know they look similar. He still hasn't proven why this couldn't be a first wave, as i've seen nothing explained in either game, and that in fact, there are different kinds of Reapers not shown yet.

[QUOTE="Revan_911"]Does someone remember the whole argument, where i said that they didnt explain the motivation of the reapers in the first game? Well they explained it here. It was Asimilation. Hunting down the advanced race and making a new reaper out of it. Even in the end they explained that they are making a reaper out of each race. So why is there only one reaper (reaper that looks like a bug. Like the sovereign and every other reaper in the end cutscene). So if they dont come up with an explanation in the third game my points still stands WEAK WRITING.

Also in the first point WEAK WRITING. They used the "Reapers are not a threat in the first game" Well Sovereign sure proved them wrong right ? So why would Bioware use the same excuse in the second game. WEAK WRITING!!!

It would be ok, if everyone didnt claim that ME is the best told story this gen. Its unoriginal, bland and full of WEAK WRITING!dreman999

And the Reapers...spoiler

All look different.

Here's a better look at the faces.

And heres the bodies.

spoiler

So with that explained(again) What now?:|

Why do we alway have to explain to plot to you piece by piece?

Teh spoilers,teh spoilers !!1111!!11

Did a BioWare employee blow up your house or something? I've never seen someone get so angry over a game for this long.mo0ksi

Lol, good post Dreman.

[QUOTE="Regisland"]

[QUOTE="Revan_911"] Get a decent pair of glasses they all look the same. And there were at least a 1000. I didn't see one that doesn't look identical to all the other reapers. Stop failing.lundy86_4

I have to go with him on this one,they do look exactly the same.

I have to go with him at this one,I guess that they were spposed to look like a big army.

I know they look the same. He still hasn't proven why this couldn't be a first wave, as i've seen nothing explained in either game, and that in fact, there are different kinds of Reapers not shown yet.

Ehhh I double posted....

on topic/Indeed.

[QUOTE="malikmmm"]didn't you created a topic called "ME 2 is not an Rpg" just two days ago ? Man you hate this game alot. clone01

Ad Hominem arguments are perfectly logical.

Why can't you guys just own the subject like Dreman did and keep these flame wars to a minimum?

[QUOTE="Revan_911"]Does someone remember the whole argument, where i said that they didnt explain the motivation of the reapers in the first game? Well they explained it here. It was Asimilation. Hunting down the advanced race and making a new reaper out of it. Even in the end they explained that they are making a reaper out of each race. So why is there only one reaper (reaper that looks like a bug. Like the sovereign and every other reaper in the end cutscene). So if they dont come up with an explanation in the third game my points still stands WEAK WRITING.

Also in the first point WEAK WRITING. They used the "Reapers are not a threat in the first game" Well Sovereign sure proved them wrong right ? So why would Bioware use the same excuse in the second game. WEAK WRITING!!!

It would be ok, if everyone didnt claim that ME is the best told story this gen. Its unoriginal, bland and full of WEAK WRITING!dreman999

And the Reapers...spoiler

All look different.

Here's a better look at the faces.

And heres the bodies.

spoiler

So with that explained(again) What now?:|

Why do we alway have to explain to plot to you piece by piece?

[QUOTE="Revan_911"]Does someone remember the whole argument, where i said that they didnt explain the motivation of the reapers in the first game? Well they explained it here. It was Asimilation. Hunting down the advanced race and making a new reaper out of it. Even in the end they explained that they are making a reaper out of each race. So why is there only one reaper (reaper that looks like a bug. Like the sovereign and every other reaper in the end cutscene). So if they dont come up with an explanation in the third game my points still stands WEAK WRITING.

Also in the first point WEAK WRITING. They used the "Reapers are not a threat in the first game" Well Sovereign sure proved them wrong right ? So why would Bioware use the same excuse in the second game. WEAK WRITING!!!

It would be ok, if everyone didnt claim that ME is the best told story this gen. Its unoriginal, bland and full of WEAK WRITING!dreman999

And the Reapers...[spoiler ]

All look different.

Here's a better look at the faces.

And heres the bodies.

[/spoiler ]

So with that explained(again) What now?:|

Why do we alway have to explain to plot to you piece by piece?

Now hopefully future threads will be locked in regards to this individual and Mass Effect 2, at this point it feels like spam and he rarely has any supporters, this should be a clear sign of a troll.

Note in the Mass Effect wiki when it talks about Reapers, it states:

[spoiler] "Sovereign, the first Reaper encountered, bore a superficial resemblance to a cuttlefish, with a bulky semi-cylindrical body, a tapering plate over the rear and a mass of metallic 'tentacles' extending from its front end. When the Reaper fleet is revealed in dark space they are all shown with this basic design but with great diversity in tentacle number, shape and oriention, some with extended heads and others (particularly Harbinger) having multiple glowing eyes. This diversity is due to the Reapers reproduction method, vast numbers of a single species are harvested, melted down into a raw genetic paste then used to construct a 'larva', that takes on the charactertistics of the species it was created from." [/spoiler]

Note that it states that when the captured species are melted down, the Reapers take on the "characteristics" of the species. Characteristics does not denote likeness, and that is why there is a slight diversity to their overiding form (long cylindrical bodies, with tentacles and the like). In other words, they generally look the same, but the different species give them slightly different characteristics from one another.

Characteristic:

1. A feature that helps to identify, tell apart, or describe recognizably; a distinguishing mark or trait.

So you can easily tell them apart due to their slightly different characteristics.

Regardless that the one on the left has brown lights, and the one on the right blue lights, they all look like giant bugs. So if you expect me to beilve that every dominant species in the galaxy for the last 25 million years were a bug, thats not a real proof.