Two Worlds 2's developer: PC and PS3 have a little bit more power

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="dragonboot"]

Xbox 360 has no graphics kings. Even after more than 6 years of game development. I need to see 2 full HD games on one disk. I need to see a graphics king on the 360. I don't need more mumbo jumbo technical talk.

dragonboot

So, it's artwork then, which is subjective.

You talk about "The code for 3D implementation.. etc" yet you dismissed "technical talk"?

[QUOTE="dragonboot"]

Xbox 360 has no graphics kings. Even after more than 6 years of game development. I need to see 2 full HD games on one disk. I need to see a graphics king on the 360. I don't need more mumbo jumbo technical talk.

So, it's artwork then, which is subjective.

You talk about "The code for 3D implementation.. etc" yet you dismissed "technical talk"?

[QUOTE="dragonboot"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] code takes up an insignificant amount of room, we are talking kb to a few mb... and why would you need lower assets to use 3d, oh wait the ps3 doesn't have nearly as much power as you think it does.... like i said, the 360 already has games with local co-op, its doing the same thing but is acutally more intensive because the ai has to deal with two people, and its two completely different views...savagetwinkie

So the 360 can do a more intensive co-op blah, blah. Yet, more than 6 years of game development, the 360 can't produce a game that equals to Killzone 2 released more than a year ago.

The PS3 is more powerful than the 360, but not powerful enough to make 3D games have the same resolution as the standard games. At the very least, people have the option to play standard games with higher resolution and 3D games with lower resolution. From impressions of PS3 3D games like Killzone 2 and Motorstorm, 3D can make the games even more immersive.

Sorry, I don't believe in the excuse that Microsoft and all other 360 developers don't care about making graphics kings. They do care, but they can't.

[QUOTE="monkeysmoke"]The link said the game will run smooter on the 360 "am i sensing another crappy framerate issue like bayonneta for the ps3 version?? If the ps3 is more powerfull it will games smooter compared to the 360. And for you "dragonboot" stop deceiving yourself thinking you're deceiving others.The ps3 is not powerful than the xbox 360 in any way since all these games listed below runs & look better on the 360 but craped on the ps3. LIST OF CRAPY GAMES ON PS3: #.1 Bioshock #.2 Lost planet #.3 F.E.A.R #.4 Assasins creed 1 & 2 #.5 COD4:MW #.6 Gta4 #.7 Ghost bursters #.8 Fallout 3 #.9 Bayonneta #.10 Read dead redemption #.11( am tired of listing because i can't list the 99% of multiplat that looks worse on the ps3) stop bringing up KILLZONE 2,UNCHARTED 2 & GOD OF WAR 3 because if you take off your fanboy googles MASS EFFECT 2,METRO 2033 & ALAN WAKE on the 360 are as good looking as those games. You can't force people to accept your opinion "dragonboot.dragonboot

Virtually all of the eleven games you listed received the exact same scores on most websites for both the PS3 or the 360 versions. The differences, if you read the reviews, are basically insignificant, except for maybe Bayonetta. IGN actually prefers GTA4's graphics on the PS3. You also didn't mention Dragon Age, Final Fantasy 13, or other games that are better on the PS3.

If you read my initial post in this thread, the developers would rather make the 360 version better because the 360 has a larger install base. Furthermore, most of the games you listed were all developed on the 360 as the main console. If it's the other way around, like Final Fantasy 13, the PS3 version is better. How a mulitplatform game looks depends not on the power of each console but on which console is the priority. Multiplatform developers tend to give the 360 priority because the 360 has a larger install base. However, this advantage is decreasing because the PS3's install base is now only about 4 million less. Furthermore, the PS3's install base has now reached critical mass such that even Valve has appologized to PS3 owners and decided to make Portal 2 the better version on the PS3.

I think you lost your credibility when you said Mass Effect 2, Metro 2033, and Alan Wake are graphically equal to KILLZONE 2,UNCHARTED 2 & GOD OF WAR 3. If you intend to respond to me, please take a moment and read the reviews of several sites about the 6 games, paying particular attention to how the games are lauded for its graphics. Be prepared to be disappointed in how much reviewers love the graphics of the PS3 games' relative to the 360's.

I can't force people to accept my opinion, not if they stubbornly ignore the facts, not if they keep believing in professionals who have produced nothing on the 360 that can match the PS3's best. Nothing in 5 years.

[QUOTE="dragonboot"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

So, it's artwork then, which is subjective.

You talk about "The code for 3D implementation.. etc" yet you dismissed "technical talk"?

Ravensmash

What's the point of talking about technical abilities of Xbox 360 when after more than 6 years of development, no developer in the world can release a game that looks as good as Killzone 2? Don't you think it is time for Xbox 360 supporters to stop talking and start showing? Where is a console graphics king on Xbox 360?How many more years of development time does Xbox 360 need?

You have to call it the way you see it. The facts favor those who believe the PS3 is more powerful. Period.

Let me remind you again: developers have had more than 6 years to develop games on Xbox 360. No graphics kings yet.

Sorry, I don't believe in the excuse that Microsoft and all other 360 developers don't care about making graphics kings. They do care, but they can't.dragonboot

Companies care the most about profit, not about moral victories on internet forums.

MS-published games (like Halo 3 and GeoW2) have sold more (and moved more consoles) than any of the four graphics kings of the PS3, which explains why Bungie and Epic are happy to make games that still look great and sell millions.

If games liek Reach or GeoW3 looked bad it would be an issue for the consumer, but actually those games look quite impressive -despite not being graphics kings-.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="dragonboot"] I dismiss technical talk when it comes to proving the 360 is equal to the PS3. It's been more than 6 years of technical talk and excuses. No more talk. No more excuses. Give me a console graphics king on Xbox 360. If you can't, then all all the tech talk means nothing.dragonboot

What's the point of talking about technical abilities of Xbox 360 when after more than 6 years of development, no developer in the world can release a game that looks as good as Killzone 2? Don't you think it is time for Xbox 360 supporters to stop talking and start showing? Where is a console graphics king on Xbox 360?How many more years of development time does Xbox 360 need?

You have to call it the way you see it. The facts favor those who believe the PS3 is more powerful. Period.

[QUOTE="dragonboot"]

[QUOTE="monkeysmoke"]The link said the game will run smooter on the 360 "am i sensing another crappy framerate issue like bayonneta for the ps3 version?? If the ps3 is more powerfull it will games smooter compared to the 360. And for you "dragonboot" stop deceiving yourself thinking you're deceiving others.The ps3 is not powerful than the xbox 360 in any way since all these games listed below runs & look better on the 360 but craped on the ps3. LIST OF CRAPY GAMES ON PS3: #.1 Bioshock #.2 Lost planet #.3 F.E.A.R #.4 Assasins creed 1 & 2 #.5 COD4:MW #.6 Gta4 #.7 Ghost bursters #.8 Fallout 3 #.9 Bayonneta #.10 Read dead redemption #.11( am tired of listing because i can't list the 99% of multiplat that looks worse on the ps3) stop bringing up KILLZONE 2,UNCHARTED 2 & GOD OF WAR 3 because if you take off your fanboy googles MASS EFFECT 2,METRO 2033 & ALAN WAKE on the 360 are as good looking as those games. You can't force people to accept your opinion "dragonboot.monkeysmoke

Virtually all of the eleven games you listed received the exact same scores on most websites for both the PS3 or the 360 versions. The differences, if you read the reviews, are basically insignificant, except for maybe Bayonetta. IGN actually prefers GTA4's graphics on the PS3. You also didn't mention Dragon Age, Final Fantasy 13, or other games that are better on the PS3.

If you read my initial post in this thread, the developers would rather make the 360 version better because the 360 has a larger install base. Furthermore, most of the games you listed were all developed on the 360 as the main console. If it's the other way around, like Final Fantasy 13, the PS3 version is better. How a mulitplatform game looks depends not on the power of each console but on which console is the priority. Multiplatform developers tend to give the 360 priority because the 360 has a larger install base. However, this advantage is decreasing because the PS3's install base is now only about 4 million less. Furthermore, the PS3's install base has now reached critical mass such that even Valve has appologized to PS3 owners and decided to make Portal 2 the better version on the PS3.

I think you lost your credibility when you said Mass Effect 2, Metro 2033, and Alan Wake are graphically equal to KILLZONE 2,UNCHARTED 2 & GOD OF WAR 3. If you intend to respond to me, please take a moment and read the reviews of several sites about the 6 games, paying particular attention to how the games are lauded for its graphics. Be prepared to be disappointed in how much reviewers love the graphics of the PS3 games' relative to the 360's.

I can't force people to accept my opinion, not if they stubbornly ignore the facts, not if they keep believing in professionals who have produced nothing on the 360 that can match the PS3's best. Nothing in 5 years.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="dragonboot"] I dismiss technical talk when it comes to proving the 360 is equal to the PS3. It's been more than 6 years of technical talk and excuses. No more talk. No more excuses. Give me a console graphics king on Xbox 360. If you can't, then all all the tech talk means nothing.dragonboot

What's the point of talking about technical abilities of Xbox 360 when after more than 6 years of development, no developer in the world can release a game that looks as good as Killzone 2? Don't you think it is time for Xbox 360 supporters to stop talking and start showing? Where is a console graphics king on Xbox 360?How many more years of development time does Xbox 360 need?

You have to call it the way you see it. The facts favor those who believe the PS3 is more powerful. Period.

[QUOTE="monkeysmoke"][QUOTE="dragonboot"]

Virtually all of the eleven games you listed received the exact same scores on most websites for both the PS3 or the 360 versions. The differences, if you read the reviews, are basically insignificant, except for maybe Bayonetta. IGN actually prefers GTA4's graphics on the PS3. You also didn't mention Dragon Age, Final Fantasy 13, or other games that are better on the PS3.

If you read my initial post in this thread, the developers would rather make the 360 version better because the 360 has a larger install base. Furthermore, most of the games you listed were all developed on the 360 as the main console. If it's the other way around, like Final Fantasy 13, the PS3 version is better. How a mulitplatform game looks depends not on the power of each console but on which console is the priority. Multiplatform developers tend to give the 360 priority because the 360 has a larger install base. However, this advantage is decreasing because the PS3's install base is now only about 4 million less. Furthermore, the PS3's install base has now reached critical mass such that even Valve has appologized to PS3 owners and decided to make Portal 2 the better version on the PS3.

I think you lost your credibility when you said Mass Effect 2, Metro 2033, and Alan Wake are graphically equal to KILLZONE 2,UNCHARTED 2 & GOD OF WAR 3. If you intend to respond to me, please take a moment and read the reviews of several sites about the 6 games, paying particular attention to how the games are lauded for its graphics. Be prepared to be disappointed in how much reviewers love the graphics of the PS3 games' relative to the 360's.

I can't force people to accept my opinion, not if they stubbornly ignore the facts, not if they keep believing in professionals who have produced nothing on the 360 that can match the PS3's best. Nothing in 5 years.

dragonboot

[QUOTE="dragonboot"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] So it's fine to use technical talk from developers to try and prove your point, but when it's not in your favour - you switch? Convenient.Ravensmash

What's the point of talking about technical abilities of Xbox 360 when after more than 6 years of development, no developer in the world can release a game that looks as good as Killzone 2? Don't you think it is time for Xbox 360 supporters to stop talking and start showing? Where is a console graphics king on Xbox 360?How many more years of development time does Xbox 360 need?

You have to call it the way you see it. The facts favor those who believe the PS3 is more powerful. Period.

Graphics can be a subjective matter, but we can compare the graphics of different games by reading the reviewers reactions to the games' graphics. Playstation 3 graphics get the most positive reactions from game reviewers.

Infamous, an open world game released a year before RDR, is an HD game. You can expect Infamous 2, to be released next year, to look better than RDR.

Can someone answer me please?

1) Xbox 360 developers had more than 6 years of game development time. Yet no console graphics kings. How many more years are you going to give these developers?

2) How many more excuses are you going to give. Shouldn't you just give up, already?

3)Why are you fighting the graphics war for Microsoft when Microsoft itself has pretty much given up?

dragonboot