Two Worlds 2's developer: PC and PS3 have a little bit more power

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#151 DJ_Lae
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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]So the PS3 is more powerful because they got the game to look but not run better on it? I guess that makes sense, as we all know the PS3 is technically more powerful than the 360, it's just more difficult to develop for. Not sure why this is news.

because people still lwant to believe they are exactly on par.

I suppose, but this case also raises issues about the coding - if they boost the 360 version up to the same level of visual fidelity of the PS3 version of Two Worlds 2, will it run in a similarly janky way? That or lowering the quality of the PS3 version until it looks and runs as well as the 360. Just seems weird that they would be focusing on optimization in such different ways.
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#152 kozzy1234
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Who cares what this guy says, Two Worlds was the worst RPG ive ever played, period.

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#153 stvee101
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A "Community director" said this.

Didn't someone with a similar job title say Alan Wake was definitely HD?

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#154 TintedEyes
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Who cares what this guy says, Two Worlds was the worst RPG ive ever played, period.

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he agrees with john carmack, do you care what he says?
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#156 JohnF111
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they are...odd last I checked the 360 had more games then the ps3, and still has more A, AA, and equal in AAA games...WilliamRLBaker
Ok and out of the whole xbox library of games what percentage of them are AAA? Its a fair bit less than the percentage of the PS3 library so to put it into MW2 words, the PS3 has a better Kill/Death ratio than xbox, even though PS3 gets less kills per match.

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#157 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="TintedEyes"]funny thing is people thinking a community manager can't know anything at all :lol:TintedEyes
community manager of two worlds vs developer god on Rage, which one knows more about the harware?

actually john carmack said ps3 had more performance also, so both of them

he said higher peak but 360 more exploitable power, peak power isn't consistent power,
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#158 PAL360
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[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]So the PS3 is more powerful because they got the game to look but not run better on it? I guess that makes sense, as we all know the PS3 is technically more powerful than the 360, it's just more difficult to develop for. Not sure why this is news.TintedEyes
because people still lwant to believe they are exactly on par.

Well, according to reality, they are.

Anyway, would you enjoy less your console knowing that there is another console that has equally good looking games?

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#159 kozzy1234
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[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Who cares what this guy says, Two Worlds was the worst RPG ive ever played, period.

TintedEyes

he agrees with john carmack, do you care what he says?

Coming from anyone who made TWO WORLDS, I dont care anything they say, that game was beyond garbage.

Carmack didnt work on Two Worlds did he? He has been with great games, not the worst game and worst rpg of this generation.

Im sorry but anythign anyone from Two Worlds has to say I take with a grain of salt.

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#160 PAL360
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]they are...odd last I checked the 360 had more games then the ps3, and still has more A, AA, and equal in AAA games...JohnF111

Ok and out of the whole xbox library of games what percentage of them are AAA? Its a fair bit less than the percentage of the PS3 library so to put it into MW2 words, the PS3 has a better Kill/Death ratio than xbox, even though PS3 gets less kills per match.

Oh dude, this percentage talk doesnt make any sense. You do know that a console with only 1 AAA game has a higher percentage of AAAs than a console with 5 AAAs and 1 AA right?

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#161 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Who cares what this guy says, Two Worlds was the worst RPG ive ever played, period.

TintedEyes

he agrees with john carmack, do you care what he says?

lulz, yeah bring carmack into it. good thinking.

http://www.next-gen.biz/news/carmack-ps3-performance-lags-behind-360

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#162 PAL360
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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Who cares what this guy says, Two Worlds was the worst RPG ive ever played, period.

Riverwolf007

he agrees with john carmack, do you care what he says?

lulz, yeah bring carmack into it. good thinking.

http://www.next-gen.biz/news/carmack-ps3-performance-lags-behind-360

Damn man! Now Carnack is not a cool guy again :P

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#163 93soccer
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The link also stated that the 360 version runs smoother but obviously you left it out ;)
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#164 i_am_interested
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wow, some people are really naive to think that id release differing quality versions like that, it amazes how much people seem to think they know about game development

heres a question for you, if the disparity is what you guys make it out to be, which its not, WHOS GOING TO LICENSE ID TECH 5???

anyways, go pick up the new playstation official magazine whos cover story happens to be Rage where you can read all about its "terrible" framerate

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#165 clyde46
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Meh, PC is where its out.

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#166 godzillavskong
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I don't deal in Technical aspects, becasue going by what's on paper, the 360 superior GPU, and easy to work with tech suppose to allow the 360 to have superior looking games both exclusive and multiplat, but that isn't the case. I go by action, and going by actions, the ps3 have the better looking exclusives, while the 360 have the better looking multiplats most of the time.

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I concur. While a few 360 console exclusives look great, like Mass Effect 2, or Gears 2, Sony has a slight advantage in that dept.. The multiplat games seem to fair a little better on the 360s hardware. It looks as if Gears 3 will really stretch the legs of the 360, but I guess we'll have to wait until 2011 to see, but as far as exclusive games comparing in graphics, Sony has a slight lead imo. If there is one area that I wish Microsoft would improve on the 360, it would be more from their first party devs, or exclusive areas.
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funny thing is people thinking a community manager can't know anything at all :lol:TintedEyes
No, the really funny thing is the amount of emphasis you're putting on a community manager over various game/engine programmers who don't agree :lol: You're all acting as though Two World's is going to be a Rage/Crysis/Gears/Uncharted - when it's probably going to be an average (so still potentially good looking) multiplatform RPG.
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#168 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Who cares what this guy says, Two Worlds was the worst RPG ive ever played, period.

TintedEyes
he agrees with john carmack, do you care what he says?

Carmack did say potential peak power - in 2006. In 2010, he's said that either version could end up looking superior - why don't you comment on that?
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#169 TintedEyes
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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Who cares what this guy says, Two Worlds was the worst RPG ive ever played, period.

Riverwolf007

he agrees with john carmack, do you care what he says?

lulz, yeah bring carmack into it. good thinking.

http://www.next-gen.biz/news/carmack-ps3-performance-lags-behind-360

uhh thats outdated lulz
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#170 TintedEyes
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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Who cares what this guy says, Two Worlds was the worst RPG ive ever played, period.

Ravensmash
he agrees with john carmack, do you care what he says?

but that doesnt change what he said in 2006 Carmack did say potential peak power - in 2006. In 2010, he's said that either version could end up looking superior - why don't you comment on that?

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#171 TintedEyes
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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]So the PS3 is more powerful because they got the game to look but not run better on it? I guess that makes sense, as we all know the PS3 is technically more powerful than the 360, it's just more difficult to develop for. Not sure why this is news.PAL360

because people still lwant to believe they are exactly on par.

Well, according to reality, they are.

Anyway, would you enjoy less your console knowing that there is another console that has equally good looking games?

according to devs they arent
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#172 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] he agrees with john carmack, do you care what he says?TintedEyes

lulz, yeah bring carmack into it. good thinking.

http://www.next-gen.biz/news/carmack-ps3-performance-lags-behind-360

uhh thats outdated lulz

A more recent up to date quote then, would be when he said either version could turn out superior?
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#173 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Wow, this has been a lot thread about what a community director said.
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#174 The_RedLion
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according to SONY PAID devs they arent TintedEyes

Fixed. :)

But there again, no one takes what SONY EMPLOYERS say about a SONY PRODUCT.

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#175 TintedEyes
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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]lulz, yeah bring carmack into it. good thinking.

http://www.next-gen.biz/news/carmack-ps3-performance-lags-behind-360

Ravensmash

uhh thats outdated lulz

i thought we were talking about power here A more recent up to date quote then, would be when he said either version could turn out superior?

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#176 TintedEyes
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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]according to SONY PAID devs they arent The_RedLion
Fixed. :)

and carmack :)
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#177 The_RedLion
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and carmack :)TintedEyes
Carmack said they are about equal. ;)
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#178 TintedEyes
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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]and carmack :)The_RedLion
Carmack said they are about equal. ;)

and ps3 has more peak performance :)
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#179 Ravensmash
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And wouldn't a gorgeously detailed open world game, running and looking better on 360 prove power? After all, the common argument against people disagreeing with the statement that they're equal, is the visual appearance of a few games.
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#180 The_RedLion
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and ps3 has more peak performance :)TintedEyes
And that the PS3 was lagging behind the 360.

"Processing wise, the main CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off, and that's where a lot of the work has been, splitting it all into jobs on the PS3."

From Carmack himself.

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#181 Floppy_Jim
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Carmack in May 2010

"In a recent interview in G4tv, John Carmack, coding genius of id software has made some statements regarding the issue of PS3 and Xbox 360. Although this is only the opinion of a developer of high-profile, his opinion should be much more valid than the millions of posts in the Forum on the topic.

Basically, says that the PS3 is more powerful, but the 360 has better development tools and is its console preferred to develop for.

"Do little nitpicky decisions on say, well, I prefer the symmetric approach that MS has on asymmetric Cell approach, but you can make great games in any of the and take fundamental decisions based on the depth of the documentation, and development tools that Microsoft has been higher in," added.

Speaking of power hardware Carmack said that "the hardware is comparable", but said that "PS3 is probably marginally more powerful in terms of raw flops and graphics operations".

"But according to Carmack is more important to have the best tools of development.""When you look in these development cycles that stretch for years and years, being 20 % more easily develop is much more important that be 20 % more powerful", said Carmack.

However, if we had asked Kojima if PS3 development tools are lower than those available for the 360, we would probably have a different answer."

Took about 6 seconds to find with this marvellous invention. PS3- more powerful. 360- more efficient/easier to work with. So...what we've all known for years.

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#182 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="TintedEyes"]and carmack :)TintedEyes
Carmack said they are about equal. ;)

and ps3 has more peak performance :)

As cows have said many times, that's irrelevant if it isn't reflected in actual results. Lot's of what if's. Rage looks to be one the best looking console titles this entire generation.
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#183 TintedEyes
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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]and ps3 has more peak performance :)The_RedLion

And that the PS3 was lagging behind the 360.

"Processing wise, the main CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off, and that's where a lot of the work has been, splitting it all into jobs on the PS3."

From Carmack himself.

check floppys quote :)
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#184 The_RedLion
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So what, in the end the 360 is better for programmers? From Carmack himself.
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#185 The_RedLion
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check floppys quote :)TintedEyes
Floppy quotesays the 360 is better for programmers :o

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Carmack in May 2010

"In a recent interview in G4tv, John Carmack, coding genius of id software has made some statements regarding the issue of PS3 and Xbox 360. Although this is only the opinion of a developer of high-profile, his opinion should be much more valid than the millions of posts in the Forum on the topic.

Basically, says that the PS3 is more powerful, but the 360 has better development tools and is its console preferred to develop for.

"Do little nitpicky decisions on say, well, I prefer the symmetric approach that MS has on asymmetric Cell approach, but you can make great games in any of the and take fundamental decisions based on the depth of the documentation, and development tools that Microsoft has been higher in," added.

Speaking of power hardware Carmack said that "the hardware is comparable", but said that "PS3 is probably marginally more powerful in terms of raw flops and graphics operations".

"But according to Carmack is more important to have the best tools of development.""When you look in these development cycles that stretch for years and years, being 20 % more easily develop is much more important that be 20 % more powerful", said Carmack.

However, if we had asked Kojima if PS3 development tools are lower than those available for the 360, we would probably have a different answer."

Took about 6 seconds to find with this marvellous invention. PS3- more powerful. 360- more efficient/easier to work with. So...what we've all known for years.

Floppy_Jim
And before someone says it.... That doesn't mean he's saying PS3 is 20% more powerful... Interesting that he said probably and marginally - so not the huge difference that many on here believe or certainly :lol:
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#187 TintedEyes
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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]check floppys quote :)The_RedLion

Floppy quotesays the 360 is better for programmers :o

and ps3 is more powerful, what i have been saying all along :)
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#188 Floppy_Jim
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Here's how I interpret the Carmack quote- the 360 is the well rounded Apprentice. The PS3 is the Jedi Master with only one leg. I think this makes perfect sense.

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#189 The_RedLion
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and ps3 is more powerful, what i have been saying all along :)TintedEyes
MARGINALLY, that's the important part ;) In other words, irrelevant.
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Carmack in May 2010

"In a recent interview in G4tv, John Carmack, coding genius of id software has made some statements regarding the issue of PS3 and Xbox 360. Although this is only the opinion of a developer of high-profile, his opinion should be much more valid than the millions of posts in the Forum on the topic.

Basically, says that the PS3 is more powerful, but the 360 has better development tools and is its console preferred to develop for.

"Do little nitpicky decisions on say, well, I prefer the symmetric approach that MS has on asymmetric Cell approach, but you can make great games in any of the and take fundamental decisions based on the depth of the documentation, and development tools that Microsoft has been higher in," added.

Speaking of power hardware Carmack said that "the hardware is comparable", but said that "PS3 is probably marginally more powerful in terms of raw flops and graphics operations".

"But according to Carmack is more important to have the best tools of development.""When you look in these development cycles that stretch for years and years, being 20 % more easily develop is much more important that be 20 % more powerful", said Carmack.

However, if we had asked Kojima if PS3 development tools are lower than those available for the 360, we would probably have a different answer."

Took about 6 seconds to find with this marvellous invention. PS3- more powerful. 360- more efficient/easier to work with. So...what we've all known for years.

Floppy_Jim
Thank god, I don't think I remember seeing that, maybe this whole debate can end now.
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#191 standarddamage
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"You can see the game itself is a little tailored towards each platform, obviously," he said. "For example, the PC and the PS3, just based on the nature of the machines, have a little bit more power when it comes to graphical fidelity and things like that. So we're able to ramp it up a little higher."

dragonboot

I read this and only one thing came to mind:

Who ya gonna call?

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#192 TintedEyes
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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]and ps3 is more powerful, what i have been saying all along :)The_RedLion
MARGINALLY, that's the important part ;) In other words, irrelevant.

but still more powerful whether you find it relevant or not
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[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]

Carmack in May 2010

"In a recent interview in G4tv, John Carmack, coding genius of id software has made some statements regarding the issue of PS3 and Xbox 360. Although this is only the opinion of a developer of high-profile, his opinion should be much more valid than the millions of posts in the Forum on the topic.

Basically, says that the PS3 is more powerful, but the 360 has better development tools and is its console preferred to develop for.

"Do little nitpicky decisions on say, well, I prefer the symmetric approach that MS has on asymmetric Cell approach, but you can make great games in any of the and take fundamental decisions based on the depth of the documentation, and development tools that Microsoft has been higher in," added.

Speaking of power hardware Carmack said that "the hardware is comparable", but said that "PS3 is probably marginally more powerful in terms of raw flops and graphics operations".

"But according to Carmack is more important to have the best tools of development.""When you look in these development cycles that stretch for years and years, being 20 % more easily develop is much more important that be 20 % more powerful", said Carmack.

However, if we had asked Kojima if PS3 development tools are lower than those available for the 360, we would probably have a different answer."

Took about 6 seconds to find with this marvellous invention. PS3- more powerful. 360- more efficient/easier to work with. So...what we've all known for years.

Ravensmash

And before someone says it.... That doesn't mean he's saying PS3 is 20% more powerful... Interesting that he said probably and marginally - so not the huge difference that many on here believe or certainly :lol:

Yes, I've always believed it to be marginal anyway. Anyone saying "The PS3 is more powerful" is right. It's a fact. But it's not worth boasting about.

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#194 The_RedLion
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but still more powerful whether you find it relevant or notTintedEyes
It's not me who said it was not relevant, it was Carmack: "being 20 % more easily develop is much more important that be 20 % more powerful".
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#195 Bus-A-Bus
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http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/ReclusiveSpirit/john-carmack-unplugged-xbox-360-ps3-98107.phtml

I think this says the best...

"Yeah, I mean that's our position that it's almost unequivocal across the board that the 360 is a better platform to develop for. When you get down into actual comparisons on the hardware performance characteristics, it's not quite an apples to apples comparison. On almost anything on the strictly graphical side, in terms of pushing vertexes and triangles on there, the 360 hardware is superior to the PS3"

"...the only thing Sony has going for them over the 360, is the data storage on the blu-ray..." And about a minute and a half later, just in case we didn't quite hear him correctly the first time, he said, "...the only real advantage that the PS3 has over the 360, from our point of view, is the extra space."

Ofcourse Cell has more theoretical power but as many said(including Carmack) when you actually start to develop game you have to dedicate alot of Cell resources for what RSX SHOULD do and then theoretical means jack... :)

Crytek...

"I mean essentially the game we run is about the same. Probably one's stronger on the GPU side, one's stronger on the CPU side, so depending on what you're doing where, the PS3 does perform here sometimes better, the 360 performs other things better, but overall by the time the game ships it'll be absolutely the same."

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#196 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]check floppys quote :)TintedEyes

Floppy quotesays the 360 is better for programmers :o

and ps3 is more powerful, what i have been saying all along :)

Marginally and probably being the key words in his statement.

Definition of marginal - –adjective

1. pertaining to a margin.

2. situated on the border or edge.

3. at the outer or lower limits; minimal for requirements; almost insufficient: marginal subsistence; marginal ability.

4. written or printed in the margin of a page: a marginal note.

5. Sociology . marked by contact with disparate cultures, and acquiring some but not all the traits or values common to any one of them.

6. Economics . a. selling goods at a price that just equals the additional cost of producing the last unit supplied. b. of or pertaining to goods produced and marketed at margin: marginal profits.

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#197 TintedEyes
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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]but still more powerful whether you find it relevant or notThe_RedLion
It's not me who said it was not relevant, it was Carmack: "being 20 % more easily develop is much more important that be 20 % more powerful".

but still more powerful
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#198 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="TintedEyes"]and ps3 is more powerful, what i have been saying all along :)TintedEyes
MARGINALLY, that's the important part ;) In other words, irrelevant.

but still more powerful whether you find it relevant or not

Read Bus-a-Bus' quote.
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#199 TintedEyes
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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="The_RedLion"] Floppy quotesays the 360 is better for programmers :o

Ravensmash

and ps3 is more powerful, what i have been saying all along :)

Marginally and probably being the key words in his statement.

Definition of marginal - –adjective

1. pertaining to a margin.

2. situated on the border or edge.

3. at the outer or lower limits; minimal for requirements; almost insufficient: marginal subsistence; marginal ability.

4. written or printed in the margin of a page: a marginal note.

5. Sociology . marked by contact with disparate cultures, and acquiring some but not all the traits or values common to any one of them.

6. Economics . a. selling goods at a price that just equals the additional cost of producing the last unit supplied. b. of or pertaining to goods produced and marketed at margin: marginal profits.

i do not care, carmack said it himself it is still more powerful its that simple, the game is over
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#200 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] and ps3 is more powerful, what i have been saying all along :)TintedEyes

Marginally and probably being the key words in his statement.

Definition of marginal - –adjective

1. pertaining to a margin.

2. situated on the border or edge.

3. at the outer or lower limits; minimal for requirements; almost insufficient: marginal subsistence; marginal ability.

4. written or printed in the margin of a page: a marginal note.

5. Sociology . marked by contact with disparate cultures, and acquiring some but not all the traits or values common to any one of them.

6. Economics . a. selling goods at a price that just equals the additional cost of producing the last unit supplied. b. of or pertaining to goods produced and marketed at margin: marginal profits.

i do not care, carmack said it himself it is still more powerful its that simple, the game is over

Why did he say something different above then?