Two Years Until Core Wii Gaming?

I did not copy and paste anything. And I do not only own a Wii. I also own a DS and a PSP, both of which get considerable play time. But that simple list there interests me more than the entire 360 and PS3 libraries, which is why I own a Wii.famicommander

That your only current gen console is a Wii was rather obvious from the list of games you posted :|

I'm not upset, I just honestly feel pity - you're missing out on the generations landmark titles. It's a shame Nintendo isn't offering up more of them - but they're not, and the lack of serious third party commitment makes the situation worse.

What i expected. I take quality over quantity any time.gamer0100

Then it is a shame the quality has greatly declined as well :|

Bingo on both comments, though the reality of SW Monthly is frankly far more sinister.subrosian

Alright, now you're making me curious. If you don't want discussion here, please explain in a PM.

95% list filler :/ - posting in that format is only used to make it so it takes *forever* to go game by game and address quality issues - the reality is, I'm sorry if that's genuinely what you've bought this generation, your money, in my opinion, could have been better spent.subrosian

And yet, your post has less substance. If you know it's subjective territory, there's no need to pursue it and question his taste in games.

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

As for Monthly...

subrosian

Please refrain from recruiting, discussing, or advertising SW Monthly in my thread - one comment on it is fine, any further is hijacking. It's a stickied thread and your signature provides appropriate links.

Fine with me. I didn't bring it up.

The experience has evolved far too little compared to what the cusp of modern art-gaming can offer, in terms of experience, impact on the player, intellectual stimulation, visual appeal, auditory enticement, and the enhancement of the gamer via the act of gaming.

At best the Wii offers "amusement" - it lacks edification.

subrosian

[QUOTE="famicommander"] I did not copy and paste anything. And I do not only own a Wii. I also own a DS and a PSP, both of which get considerable play time. But that simple list there interests me more than the entire 360 and PS3 libraries, which is why I own a Wii.subrosian

That your only current gen console is a Wii was rather obvious from the list of games you posted :|

I'm not upset, I just honestly feel pity - you're missing out on the generations landmark titles. It's a shame Nintendo isn't offering up more of them - but they're not, and the lack of serious third party commitment makes the situation worse.

The experience has evolved far too little compared to what the cusp of modern art-gaming can offer, in terms of experience, impact on the player, intellectual stimulation, visual appeal, auditory enticement, and the enhancement of the gamer via the act of gaming.

At best the Wii offers "amusement" - it lacks edification.

subrosian

I'd take amusement over modern art any day. I prefer music for my art outlet(though certainly not the modern type :?).

When nintendo makes a games based on their main franchises, lets bash them for rehashing, when they put them aside for new ones, lets assume they are not making any games!AntiType

Re-read the Joystiq article, they didn't say "Zelda" or such is two ~ three years away - they're saying games for the core gamer. We're going to certainly see more of this "Animal Crossing, aren't your core gamers happy?" stuff - but what we had with the GCN? No.

See, I was happy with the GCN launch - Pikmin was an awesome new game, and frankly quite challenging with the timer to get every piece in under the limit. Animal Crossing? Well in the US we didn't have Animal Forest - great job there. Partnering with Silicon Knights and delivering Eternal Darkness? An "M" rated game *published by Nintendo*, which was for core gamers and story driven? Really? I mean really?

The best version of Resident Evil 4 - and it was an innovative game for the series, not a port with Wiimote functionality tacked on? Metroid Prime? After all these years, a Metroid, and its hard as hell, and frankly fantastic?

The Gamecube had a library I was happy with - it was slim, but it delivered the quality in spades. The Wii... it delivers those games and they're watered down, no longer on the cutting-edge of audio-visual presentation, remakes, ports, or rehashes. The bulk of the "new" content is not for the core audience.

So - two to three years, let the waiting begin - real Nintendo fans (aka, clas sic Nintendo fans) have shared my beliefs on this for some time - but watching the new-age Wii fanboys try and defend a possible two year gap in strong library-leaders? They're not really coming from third parties - if a SEGA game is the best we're going to have in two years on the system, well, just, damn.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]The experience has evolved far too little compared to what the cusp of modern art-gaming can offer, in terms of experience, impact on the player, intellectual stimulation, visual appeal, auditory enticement, and the enhancement of the gamer via the act of gaming.

At best the Wii offers "amusement" - it lacks edification.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

I'd take amusement over modern art any day. I prefer music for my art outlet(though certainly not the modern type :?).

So you like rehashed, remixed, and watered-down in your games, but not in your music :P

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"][QUOTE="subrosian"]The experience has evolved far too little compared to what the cusp of modern art-gaming can offer, in terms of experience, impact on the player, intellectual stimulation, visual appeal, auditory enticement, and the enhancement of the gamer via the act of gaming.

At best the Wii offers "amusement" - it lacks edification.

subrosian

I'd take amusement over modern art any day. I prefer music for my art outlet(though certainly not the modern type :?).

So you like rehashed, remixed, and watered-down in your games, but not in your music :P

I love that you think you're better than I because you play Grand Theft Auto IV and such. famicommander

Where did I *ever* say those exact words to you? That's right never - stop building straw men. Deal with the tougher debate at hand, or find friendlier territories.

There's nothing rehashed or watered-down about Metroid Prime 3.famicommander

Are you serious? Do you mean these words, and truly and honestly believe them?

You could find half a dozen titles you're interested in? You've probably doubled my list.

I still don't own a Wii title that really makes me say, "Wow- this is something that's far better than playing with a regular controller." There have been occasionally interesting uses of the remote, but they're usually rather small and the games still play like N64 games.

I think that last point is where Nintendo has really been falling apart for me- if they were taking their time to produce games with great stories or using the Wii remote in ways nobody imagined, then I'd be willing to take the Wii seriously. But when Mario's story hasn't advanced at all (and people defend this "because it's Mario"...I bet a hundred other studios wish they could get such lax treatment from fans and reviewers) or basically it feels like it's had the same game design since 3D has become the norm, I'm just not that interested in small uses of the Wii remote, even if they're pretty clever.

The only two games I've really enjoyed as a casualized-core gamer (yeah, figure that out!) are Wii Sports and RE4. RE4 would've been great on other consoles if Capcom hadn't included such an idiotic control scheme, but it worked on the Wii. Wii Sports is a lot of fun in small doses, but it seems like after that, there just hasn't been any games that use the remote in a fantastic way.

[QUOTE="AntiType"]When nintendo makes a games based on their main franchises, lets bash them for rehashing, when they put them aside for new ones, lets assume they are not making any games!subrosian

Re-read the Joystiq article, they didn't say "Zelda" or such is two ~ three years away - they're saying games for the core gamer. We're going to certainly see more of this "Animal Crossing, aren't your core gamers happy?" stuff - but what we had with the GCN? No.

See, I was happy with the GCN launch - Pikmin was an awesome new game, and frankly quite challenging with the timer to get every piece in under the limit. Animal Crossing? Well in the US we didn't have Animal Forest - great job there. Partnering with Silicon Knights and delivering Eternal Darkness? An "M" rated game *published by Nintendo*, which was for core gamers and story driven? Really? I mean really?

The best version of Resident Evil 4 - and it was an innovative game for the series, not a port with Wiimote functionality tacked on? Metroid Prime? After all these years, a Metroid, and its hard as hell, and frankly fantastic?

The Gamecube had a library I was happy with - it was slim, but it delivered the quality in spades. The Wii... it delivers those games and they're watered down, no longer on the cutting-edge of audio-visual presentation, remakes, ports, or rehashes. The bulk of the "new" content is not for the core audience.

So - two to three years, let the waiting begin - real Nintendo fans (aka, clas sic Nintendo fans) have shared my beliefs on this for some time - but watching the new-age Wii fanboys try and defend a possible two year gap in strong library-leaders? They're not really coming from third parties - if a SEGA game is the best we're going to have in two years on the system, well, just, damn.

Maybe you need to re-read.. "We still have developers working on popular core gaming franchises..."

There is nothing in this article saying they are only focusing on casual games for the next 2 years as you imply.

[QUOTE="famicommander"] I love that you think you're better than I because you play Grand Theft Auto IV and such. subrosian

Where did I *ever* say those exact words to you? That's right never - stop building straw men. Deal with the tougher debate at hand, or find friendlier territories.

[QUOTE="famicommander"]There's nothing rehashed or watered-down about Metroid Prime 3.subrosian

Are you serious? Do you mean these words, and truly and honestly believe them?

[QUOTE="famicommander"]There's nothing rehashed or watered-down about Metroid Prime 3.subrosian

Are you serious? Do you mean these words, and truly and honestly believe them?

There's nothing rehashed or watered-down about Mario Galaxy or Metroid Prime 3.famicommander

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="famicommander"]There's nothing rehashed or watered-down about Metroid Prime 3.famicommander

Are you serious? Do you mean these words, and truly and honestly believe them?

I personally thought MP1 > MP2 > MP3

MP3 killed the adventure and exploring part of Metroid and turned the franchise into a pure FPS with good wii controls.

IMO they slaughtered Nintendos prestige franchise to prove that the Wii- mote could work good with FPS games.JLF1

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="hihatrider"]

i've just been generalized!

i'm not going to run you through my gaming history, but i will say that i've played the last three zelda games (their fun, but it has been the same formula over and over. i could say the same thing about halo). besides that, i prefer rpgs and strategy games over shooters.

am i really being attacked for asking for new games? that really is too much to ask from nintendo?

hihatrider

pikmin game cube last gen

battalion wars gamecube last gen

smash bros n64 2 gens

geist game cube

to say they dont come out with new games is bull they do every gen just stop being a rabid fanboy bashing on something thats not the case

this gen there is the wii line and you may or may not like it but it is new

calling out concerns you have for a company that you used to respect more is not being a fanboy, let alone rabid.

yes, they came out with new core games last gen. and yes, they've put out a bunch of games that start with wii this gen. if you like those games then i'm happy for you. i'd prefer something with more substance to it.

i dont see what that has to do with waht i posted in responce to

"am i really being attacked for asking for new games? that really is too much to ask from nintendo?"

they have been comming out with new games and even you have stated that if you bash nintendo for just "re-hashing" its rabid fanboyism IMO. now to ask or bash them for not making games that you like i can respect but its still being a baby

PS. i hope i cut down the chain proper still getting use to things on this site

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="famicommander"]There's nothing rehashed or watered-down about Metroid Prime 3.foxhound_fox

Are you serious? Do you mean these words, and truly and honestly believe them?

Tried too much? My copy of MP3 must be defective. I was wondering why there's virtually no story in the game- this explains it.

I didn't play the previous two Primes (hated the controls), but MP3 is barely passable compared to other games. Yeah, they got the controls right and graphics (for the Wii)...but not much else.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="famicommander"]There's nothing rehashed or watered-down about Metroid Prime 3.Vampyronight

Are you serious? Do you mean these words, and truly and honestly believe them?

Tried too much? My copy of MP3 must be defective. I was wondering why there's virtually no story in the game- this explains it.

I didn't play the previous two Primes (hated the controls), but MP3 is barely passable compared to other games. Yeah, they got the controls right and graphics (for the Wii)...but not much else.

bold vs underlined you have not played any of them

Tried too much? My copy of MP3 must be defective. I was wondering why there's virtually no story in the game- this explains it.

I didn't play the previous two Primes (hated the controls), but MP3 is barely passable compared to other games. Yeah, they got the controls right and graphics (for the Wii)...but not much else.

Vampyronight

[QUOTE="JLF1"]MP3 killed the adventure and exploring part of Metroid and turned the franchise into a pure FPS with good wii controls.

IMO they slaughtered Nintendos prestige franchise to prove that the Wii- mote could work good with FPS games.foxhound_fox

MP did kill of some parts of the freedom SM had but when you move from 2D to 3D you have to sacrifice a little. The difference is when I Played MP it felt like Metroid game, It had the atmosphere and the feeling of being alone. MP felt like a Halo clone with action around every corner and the fastpaced gameplay. I enjoyed MP3 but it didn't feel like a Metroid game.JLF1

[QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Tried too much? My copy of MP3 must be defective. I was wondering why there's virtually no story in the game- this explains it.

I didn't play the previous two Primes (hated the controls), but MP3 is barely passable compared to other games. Yeah, they got the controls right and graphics (for the Wii)...but not much else.

foxhound_fox

I agree. the first prime did it right. No one talked in the first one... since you are alone on the planet, that is what made the metroid games so great and irrie. Yet,t here was so much detail when you took the time to scan things.

The 2nd game had one other friendly character and even that kinda bugged me. Aside from that, it was a good game, even with a few faults, it followed the formula of the first very well.

The 3rd through everything out the window. Yes the controls are good for a fps, but I was never paying an fps before... The story and dialog was boring, out of place, and made the game linear.

MP did kill of some parts of the freedom SM had but when you move from 2D to 3D you have to sacrifice a little. The difference is when I Played MP it felt like Metroid game, It had the atmosphere and the feeling of being alone. MP felt like a Halo clone with action around every corner and the fastpaced gameplay. I enjoyed MP3 but it didn't feel like a Metroid game.JLF1

Metroid Prime 3 was more of an apology that a game. We're sorry Metroid, we're sorry we created a haemonculi of an experience that was passe when it was on the Xbox. We're so goddamned sorry. Do you see us crying Samus? Do you see our white hot tears?

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Tried too much? My copy of MP3 must be defective. I was wondering why there's virtually no story in the game- this explains it.

I didn't play the previous two Primes (hated the controls), but MP3 is barely passable compared to other games. Yeah, they got the controls right and graphics (for the Wii)...but not much else.

AntiType

I agree. the first prime did it right. No one talked in the first one... since you are alone on the planet, that is what made the metroid games so great and irrie. Yet,t here was so much detail when you took the time to scan things.

The 2nd game had one other friendly character and even that kinda bugged me. Aside from that, it was a good game, even with a few faults, it followed the formula of the first very well.

The 3rd through everything out the window. Yes the controls are good for a fps, but I was never paying an fps before... The story and dialog was boring, out of place, and made the game linear.

Metroid Prime was incredibly well-executed. Even today, I find my appreciation for what they did to grow. The Gamecube was Nintendo's most undervalued system - so much of what it did for core gamers was astounding. Yet people let something as superficial as it being considered a "kiddy purple lunchbox" keep it from being enjoyed. Now, people allow something as superficial as motion control blind them to what is lost.

It's a damn shame - we're standing at a wedding, a successful man is marrying a beautiful yet wholly stupid and despicable woman. The girl who loves him tries not to cry in the audience - her blotchy skin hides a caring and intelligent woman - she would die for this man, she will die alone.

**** you Nintendo, endlessly, tirelessly, ceaselessly. There are many terrible things in this world, and few sources of joy, your fans should have meant more than your shareholders.

[QUOTE="AntiType"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Tried too much? My copy of MP3 must be defective. I was wondering why there's virtually no story in the game- this explains it.

I didn't play the previous two Primes (hated the controls), but MP3 is barely passable compared to other games. Yeah, they got the controls right and graphics (for the Wii)...but not much else.

subrosian

I agree. the first prime did it right. No one talked in the first one... since you are alone on the planet, that is what made the metroid games so great and irrie. Yet,t here was so much detail when you took the time to scan things.

The 2nd game had one other friendly character and even that kinda bugged me. Aside from that, it was a good game, even with a few faults, it followed the formula of the first very well.

The 3rd through everything out the window. Yes the controls are good for a fps, but I was never paying an fps before... The story and dialog was boring, out of place, and made the game linear.

Metroid Prime was incredibly well-executed. Even today, I find my appreciation for what they did to grow. The Gamecube was Nintendo's most undervalued system - so much of what it did for core gamers was astounding. Yet people let something as superficial as it being considered a "kiddy purple lunchbox" keep it from being enjoyed. Now, people allow something as superficial as motion control blind them to what is lost.

It's a damn shame - we're standing at a wedding, a successful man is marrying a beautiful yet wholly stupid and despicable woman. The girl who loves him tries not to cry in the audience - her blotchy skin hides a caring and intelligent woman - she would die for this man, she will die alone.

**** you Nintendo, endlessly, tirelessly, ceaselessly. There are many terrible things in this world, and few sources of joy, your fans should have meant more than your shareholders.

O.O i smell hostility in this thread ;

O.O i smell hostility in this thread ;GiveMeSomething

It's a friendly hostility.

[QUOTE="GiveMeSomething"]

O.O i smell hostility in this thread ;subrosian

It's a friendly hostility.

like wife beating????

[QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"][QUOTE="dotWithShoes"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

Joystiq Article

So... does this mean we won't be seeing something beyond the "list filler" "it's sorta a core game" stuff for the Wii until 2010 from Nintendo? I lost faith after E3 2007 and E3 2008 - but I kept hearing "just wait, it's coming." Only, apparently, it's not coming anytime soon :|

dotWithShoes

SMG, MP3, SSBB, MKWii... Animal Crossing ... What other games do you want them to release?

Uhh... MKwii is also for the PS2, also it got a 7.5 here in gamespot, so why do you mention it? :?

Mario Kart Wii m8... NOT nor ever will be multiplat :)

I think he got Mario Kart mixed up with Mortal Kombat...(that just sounds weird)

what I notice reading through this thread, is that nintendo fans will never give up on nintendo, no matter how crappy their Wii library is, these hardcore fans also had only a gamecube last gen...and I guess they enjoyed it. if you're really interested in nintendo's first party titles, you have to buy a Wii, otherwise, there is absolutely no reason at all to buy a Wii over the two other consoles (if you're a hardcore games and not interested in stuff like Wii sports).qewrewq

as for just game cube most of the wii fans on this board are elder gamers that have been gaming for a long time.

the last 3 gens just so you know my opinion

64>ps1=pc

15/34/5 games

pc > ps2 > gamcube

10/15/8 games

this gen

PC>>>>>>>>>wii>360/ps3

15/ 4(28VC)/ n/a n/a

what I notice reading through this thread, is that nintendo fans will never give up on nintendo, no matter how crappy their Wii library is, these hardcore fans also had only a gamecube last gen...and I guess they enjoyed it. if you're really interested in nintendo's first party titles, you have to buy a Wii, otherwise, there is absolutely no reason at all to buy a Wii over the two other consoles (if you're a hardcore games and not interested in stuff like Wii sports).qewrewq

[QUOTE="qewrewq"]what I notice reading through this thread, is that nintendo fans will never give up on nintendo, no matter how crappy their Wii library is, these hardcore fans also had only a gamecube last gen...and I guess they enjoyed it. if you're really interested in nintendo's first party titles, you have to buy a Wii, otherwise, there is absolutely no reason at all to buy a Wii over the two other consoles (if you're a hardcore games and not interested in stuff like Wii sports).surrealnumber5

as for just game cube most of the wii fans on this board are elder gamers that have been gaming for a long time.

the last 3 gens just so you know my opinion

64>ps1=pc

15/34/5 games

pc > ps2 > gamcube

10/15/8 games

this gen

PC>>>>>>>>>wii>360/ps3

15/ 4(28VC)/ n/a n/a

I don't get it, how can you like the Wii more than the other two consoles when you liked the PS2 more than the gamecube last gen, it doesn't make sense, PS3/360 have more of PS2's type AAA's, while the Wii's AAA's are mostly first party like the gamecube.

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"][QUOTE="stepat201"]Honestly what franchise does change this in a huge way?

Zelda: Save the princess

Mario: Kill Bowser

subrosian

Game: Beat game.

Just a tad too generalized. :? SMB to SMG must have had some innovation in there somewhere.

The experience has evolved far too little compared to what the cusp of modern art-gaming can offer, in terms of experience, impact on the player, intellectual stimulation, visual appeal, auditory enticement, and the enhancement of the gamer via the act of gaming. (???????)

At best the Wii offers "amusement" - it lacks edification.

It doesn't have to have edification. Gaming is NOT an art form, it's entertainment. It exists for the sole purpose of you having FUN playing it. Intellectual stimulation??? Gimme a break! Unless you're talking about Brain Age, there is rarely any intellectual stimulation in the gaming realm, and any attempts at such leave us with the Metal Gear Solid series which is so completely convoluted that nobody outside of (maybe) Hideo Kojima could begin to explain it.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="qewrewq"]what I notice reading through this thread, is that nintendo fans will never give up on nintendo, no matter how crappy their Wii library is, these hardcore fans also had only a gamecube last gen...and I guess they enjoyed it. if you're really interested in nintendo's first party titles, you have to buy a Wii, otherwise, there is absolutely no reason at all to buy a Wii over the two other consoles (if you're a hardcore games and not interested in stuff like Wii sports).qewrewq

as for just game cube most of the wii fans on this board are elder gamers that have been gaming for a long time.

the last 3 gens just so you know my opinion

64>ps1=pc

15/34/5 games

pc > ps2 > gamcube

10/15/8 games

this gen

PC>>>>>>>>>wii>360/ps3

15/ 4(28VC)/ n/a n/a

I don't get it, how can you like the Wii more than the other two consoles when you liked the PS2 more than the gamecube last gen, it doesn't make sense, PS3/360 have more of PS2's type AAA's, while the Wii's AAA's are mostly first party like the gamecube.

i love classics heck i have 7 vc games for each disk game and there is nuthing but 1 game from each the ps3/360 i want and last time i checked 4 new games beats 1

ps2 had rpgs and full bc with the ps1 and im not paying more then 250 to play old games and sony as far as i know does not do bc back to ps1 and is killing bc with the ps2

as for the xbox/360 i have a few friends back home and at school with them and yea halo is cool gear was to easy. we still play halo on weekends good drunk times but it mostly boils down to every one playing smash on the game cube. its a cool system(s) and im not going to bash it but its not for me

side rant for gears: any time you play a game on a joy pad you dont know well and can get first place not only among your friends but online for 2 hrs there is a problem granted i have been a pc shooter fan for a long time but even studdering with the controlls ...ugh

[QUOTE="qewrewq"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="qewrewq"]what I notice reading through this thread, is that nintendo fans will never give up on nintendo, no matter how crappy their Wii library is, these hardcore fans also had only a gamecube last gen...and I guess they enjoyed it. if you're really interested in nintendo's first party titles, you have to buy a Wii, otherwise, there is absolutely no reason at all to buy a Wii over the two other consoles (if you're a hardcore games and not interested in stuff like Wii sports).surrealnumber5

as for just game cube most of the wii fans on this board are elder gamers that have been gaming for a long time.

the last 3 gens just so you know my opinion

64>ps1=pc

15/34/5 games

pc > ps2 > gamcube

10/15/8 games

this gen

PC>>>>>>>>>wii>360/ps3

15/ 4(28VC)/ n/a n/a

I don't get it, how can you like the Wii more than the other two consoles when you liked the PS2 more than the gamecube last gen, it doesn't make sense, PS3/360 have more of PS2's type AAA's, while the Wii's AAA's are mostly first party like the gamecube.

i love classics heck i have 7 vc games for each disk game and there is nuthing but 1 game from each the ps3/360 i want and last time i checked 4 new games beats 1

ps2 had rpgs and full bc with the ps1 and im not paying more then 250 to play old games and sony as far as i know does not do bc back to ps1 and is killing bc with the ps2

as for the xbox/360 i have a few friends back home and at school with them and yea halo is cool gear was to easy. we still play halo on weekends good drunk times but it mostly boils down to every one playing smash on the game cube. its a cool system(s) and im not going to bash it but its not for me

side rant for gears: any time you play a game on a joy pad you dont know well and can get first place not only among your friends but online for 2 hrs there is a problem granted i have been a pc shooter fan for a long time but even studdering with the controlls ...ugh

If you love classics don't you have a NES or SNES? The VC from Nintendo is released in a manner which is almost completly immoral, as in releasing the worse of the two versions of Street Fighter 2 earlier than the better one, or releasing something like Sonic for the Master system instead of Sonic for the Genesis. Instead of just releasing nearly everything since i bet the emulation technology is already perfect, just release every game you can nintendo, but nintendo dont want to because nintendo's too busy bathing in money. And if you are a PC gamer you would already have a way to already played those classics (In an unspecified manner).

And woulden't you like the Xbox 360 better for classics? Where can you play Smash TV online? and all those classics usually have updated graphics and updated functionality such as leaderboard support.

It doesn't have to have edification. Gaming is NOT an art form, it's entertainment. It exists for the sole purpose of you having FUN playing it. Intellectual stimulation??? Gimme a break! Unless you're talking about Brain Age, there is rarely any intellectual stimulation in the gaming realm, and any attempts at such leave us with the Metal Gear Solid series which is so completely convoluted that nobody outside of (maybe) Hideo Kojima could begin to explain it.

svetzenlether

nes died 7 years ago my second snes 2 ago

i play street fighter (mostly 3rdstrike) on my home made arcade machine

i do have most of the games purchased on the vc both in cart for and emulated but neither is like playing it on a gaming machine

ok playing it on its oprigional machine is but they broke....my genesis may work have not tried in several years having all the games and being able to play them on the vc is convenience and the game i have purchased are well worth that price

note i have not purchased one 64 game because both of my N64s work great

never played smash tv but just googled it and from the looks id rather have zombies ate my neighbors

i care not for updated graphix that would detract from the nostalgia that feeling of being a kid again a feeling lost long ago. games to me are nuthing but toys windows into a time long passed. most games today just are not what they were. games are not about graphixs, the last game that i liked that boasted about such was starfox snes. these days i do most of my gaming on a bad@$$ rig but always play on the loweset setting on every thing but resolution and draw distance.

It doesn't have to have edification. Gaming is NOT an art form, it's entertainment. It exists for the sole purpose of you having FUN playing it. Intellectual stimulation??? Gimme a break! Unless you're talking about Brain Age, there is rarely any intellectual stimulation in the gaming realm, and any attempts at such leave us with the Metal Gear Solid series which is so completely convoluted that nobody outside of (maybe) Hideo Kojima could begin to explain it.

svetzenlether

A game doesn't have to be art to be edified, just as it is with movies. There are intelligent, mature films out there, such as Stanley Kramer's "Inherit the Wind" or William Wyler's "The Best Years of Our Lives", that are certainly not art. They are well-crafted films that have something to say, they have themes, irony, and strong character development.

Not all games need to have a point, I would mourn the loss of action packed shooters like my all-time favorite Doom series, but that doesn't mean all games need to be simple forms of entertainment, either. Games need to evolve. Developers need to inject intelligence and maturity into some of their work, if they don't we may be forced to watch gaming completely sink into the muck of mindless entertainment with no intellectual value.

Personally, I don't want that to happen.

[QUOTE="svetzenlether"]

It doesn't have to have edification. Gaming is NOT an art form, it's entertainment. It exists for the sole purpose of you having FUN playing it. Intellectual stimulation??? Gimme a break! Unless you're talking about Brain Age, there is rarely any intellectual stimulation in the gaming realm, and any attempts at such leave us with the Metal Gear Solid series which is so completely convoluted that nobody outside of (maybe) Hideo Kojima could begin to explain it.

JLF1

This.

I'm happy that someone has the same opinion of the Wii as I do. No More Hereos does have some of that but that game is more on Suda51's mind of insanity, which you can argue Killer 7 is too but Killer 7 had some really profound political implications along with the insanity (such as the Handsome Men). And the arguement that Games aren't art they are supposto be fun, can be implemented in nearly anything that people today would consider art. For example The Godfather is a movie that people call art, and since thats the crux of what people generally associate when they think of Movie=>Art, then they go out and say Movie=Art. When people think of video games they think of mario, space invaders or the more mindless fare. So when people think games=>art their output will come out as games=/=Art.

The Wii does lack games that have meaningful messages or themes to go along with it, and I only have about one game for the Wii that does that in a more explicet manner and thats Bully, which was a port of a PS2 game which that doesn't showcase very well on the wii as it's not taking front stage from the nature of it being a port. I wish the 360 was the lead system because most of the fore front games on that system show games being more than just a mindless fun game. Mass Effect, Bioshock, Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty 4, and even Halo with it's biblical references show some meaning into a games story. And at least games are even trying this (with limited success however in some cases like Too Human's cybernetic related choices). And thats where i want the Industry to head in, so that we can finally get away from all this Fox news Hot Coffee, GTA Sex scandle, Mass Effect Sexbox crap. But now with the Wii, I think it's actually backpedaling all that the industry has done and now we are back to games=kids stuff. It kinda bums me out to no end...

BTW if you can't understand Metal Gears messages i just think your mind is probebly too shallow to comprehend it.

Metal Gear Solid 1: Themes: Nuclear proliferation and a little bit of genome messages

Metal Gear Solid 2: More on the genome messages and what genes pass on from generation to generation, as well as what they don't.

Metal Gear Solid 3: Haven't played it, sorry...

Metal Gear Solid 4: Too many to count, one example is more on politics of warfare.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Joystiq Article

So... does this mean we won't be seeing something beyond the "list filler" "it's sorta a core game" stuff for the Wii until 2010 from Nintendo? I lost faith after E3 2007 and E3 2008 - but I kept hearing "just wait, it's coming." Only, apparently, it's not coming anytime soon :|

dotWithShoes

SMG, MP3, SSBB, MKWii... Animal Crossing ... What other games do you want them to release?

lmao... you dont see a problem with this?

[QUOTE="svetzenlether"]

It doesn't have to have edification. Gaming is NOT an art form, it's entertainment. It exists for the sole purpose of you having FUN playing it. Intellectual stimulation??? Gimme a break! Unless you're talking about Brain Age, there is rarely any intellectual stimulation in the gaming realm, and any attempts at such leave us with the Metal Gear Solid series which is so completely convoluted that nobody outside of (maybe) Hideo Kojima could begin to explain it.

TreyoftheDead

A game doesn't have to be art to be edified, just as it is with movies. There are intelligent, mature films out there, such as Stanley Kramer's "Inherit the Wind" or William Wyler's "The Best Years of Our Lives", that are certainly not art. They are well-crafted films that have something to say, they have themes, irony, and strong character development.

Not all games need to have a point, I would mourn the loss of action packed shooters like my all-time favorite Doom series, but that doesn't mean all games need to be simple forms of entertainment, either. Games need to evolve. Developers need to inject intelligence and maturity into some of their work, if they don't we may be forced to watch gaming completely sink into the muck of mindless entertainment with no intellectual value.

Personally, I don't want that to happen.

There is a place for mindless action games like Ninja Gaiden. There is a place for casual games such as The Sims. There is a place for run and gun action shooters like Doom (and sorry to burst your bubble but those games have died a long time ago... and yea i miss those too) but in my opinion now is the time to focus the importance of games on the front of being more socially and society relevent in the world untill it gets to the point where the mainstream audience regards it as something like art, in that it is a way to express something similar to movies. And to the point where it would be dumb to chastize a game for its subject matter similar to a movie because people regard movies as art, but is Spiderman art? Is Rambo Art? If these movies were always at the forefront i dont think people would regard movies as art anymore, thankfully the movie industry had stuff like Schindlers List, and The Godfather to show the more artistic side of movies. Untill something like Braid gets into the mainstream, we wont see that anyday soon.

You know I'm really tired of listening to Nintendo fan whining. OK, so there's no Nintendo core game right now though it seems like everyone gets bent out of shape and flips out when any sort of internet rumor appears.

Also have any of you played any of these. You know good third party Wii games? The games we complain the system doesn't have but when the good ones come out, we totally ignore them?

• No More Heroes
• Zack and Wiki
• Boom Blox
• Okami (if you didn't play the PS2 version)
• Medal of Honor Heroes 2

And then there's a ton of potentially good upcoming third party games that are more than mini games or ports:

• Madworld
• The Conduit
• Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Crystal Bearers
• Tales of Symphonia 2
• Samba D'Amigo
• de Blob
• World of Goo (Wiiware)
• Sadness
• Disaster: Day of Crisis
• Little King's Story (it's an RTS)
• Sonic and the Black Knight

That's not even all of them and all of those at the least have potential to be good. Sure they don't involve space marines and guns, but they're at least worth looking into and all of those are at least planned for 2008 and 2009 so you know, we could sit here and complain about no Nintendo games like spoiled little babies or actually use this to look into some of these titles. Not to mention upcoming VC releases such as the Megaman series, Super Mario RPG and Vectorman.