Two Years Until Core Wii Gaming?

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"] subrosian: i find it funny that you think Brawl is the worst in the smash bros series when YOUR own website gave it a higher rating than of its predecessors...hakanakumono

Review scores are absolutely meaningless, especially for comparing games cross-generation, and as games are reviewed to the standards of the platform in question (or the bias of the reviewer in question), and the bar is set rather low on the Wii, not particularly useful even within the generation.

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And what website are you talking about?

The different standards thing is true. Wii & Ps2 multiplats that are 7.5 on the PS2 are miraculously 8.0 on the wii on this website. The majority of the 8.0 titles on the wii would be considered 7.0 on the PS2.

maybe they like the Wii version better?

its the same reason why there are some 360 multiplats scoring better than ps3 multiplats?

[QUOTE="qewrewq"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Rocky32189"]You cannot criticize Nintendo's first party lineup without holding up its competitors to the same criticismair_wolf_cubed

You're not understanding what he's trying to say -- without Nintendo's first party, the Wii has next-to-nothing. The way Wii owners argue for the Wii is Nintendo's first party, and its first party only.

now you'll get quoted by nintendo fan with a big list of third party titles that no one cares about, and under that list they'll say the Wii has "tons of great 3rd party games coming out" and that you've just been "owned", deep inside they know that this list is nothing compared to the other two consoles but unfortunately, they will keep denying it.

It's easy to tell when a game is going to be a 7 (which is an 8 for the wii). Good, but not great. It's harder to pick out poor titles or great titles.

The majority of the wii looks like 7 material. Okay, but there are much better 3rd party games on other consoles.

[QUOTE="qewrewq"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Rocky32189"]You cannot criticize Nintendo's first party lineup without holding up its competitors to the same criticismair_wolf_cubed

You're not understanding what he's trying to say -- without Nintendo's first party, the Wii has next-to-nothing. The way Wii owners argue for the Wii is Nintendo's first party, and its first party only.

now you'll get quoted by nintendo fan with a big list of third party titles that no one cares about, and under that list they'll say the Wii has "tons of great 3rd party games coming out" and that you've just been "owned", deep inside they know that this list is nothing compared to the other two consoles but unfortunately, they will keep denying it.

ok, my bad. i was a bit harsh there, what I'm saying is, they aren't nearly as promising as the ones on the 360/PS3, these two consoles seem to be getting the big third party support in the west, come on, there's no way you can disagree with that.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"] subrosian: i find it funny that you think Brawl is the worst in the smash bros series when YOUR own website gave it a higher rating than of its predecessors...ogvampire

Review scores are absolutely meaningless, especially for comparing games cross-generation, and as games are reviewed to the standards of the platform in question (or the bias of the reviewer in question), and the bar is set rather low on the Wii, not particularly useful even within the generation.

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And what website are you talking about?

The different standards thing is true. Wii & Ps2 multiplats that are 7.5 on the PS2 are miraculously 8.0 on the wii on this website. The majority of the 8.0 titles on the wii would be considered 7.0 on the PS2.

maybe they like the Wii version better?

its the same reason why there are some 360 multiplats scoring better than ps3 multiplats?

It's because its compared to the rest of the library for the console.

The PS3 has less garbage than the 360 (but also less games, some of them very good) so its games are held up to a higher scale.

The PS2 library is higher quality than the wii, so PS2 games get graded harder.

It's easy to tell when a game is going to be a 7 (which is an 8 for the wii). Good, but not great. It's harder to pick out poor titles or great titles.

The majority of the wii looks like 7 material. Okay, but there are much better 3rd party games on other consoles.

hakanakumono

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"]

SMG, MP3, SSBB, MKWii... Animal Crossing ... What other games do you want them to release?

subrosian

The day Animal Crossing, the worst iteration of Metroid Prime, the worst title in the Smash series, and Mario Kart are all modern Nintendo fans want is the day I give up on them entirely. Were you alive for the SNES? Do you own any other company's systems? Do you realize what experiences in gaming you're missing?

It's because its compared to the rest of the library for the console.

The PS3 has less garbage than the 360 (but also less games, some of them very good) so its games are held up to a higher scale.

hakanakumono

Not true. For that to be true IDENTICAL multiplats on the 360 and PS3 would automatically score higher on the 360.

The only time a mutliplat on the 360 scores higher than the PS3 is if the PS3 version is inferior.

They are held to the same exact standard.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

It's easy to tell when a game is going to be a 7 (which is an 8 for the wii). Good, but not great. It's harder to pick out poor titles or great titles.

The majority of the wii looks like 7 material. Okay, but there are much better 3rd party games on other consoles.

air_wolf_cubed

Haven't you ever looked at an upcoming game and known that it was going to be "good," but nothing more?

It's because its compared to the rest of the library for the console.

The PS3 has less garbage than the 360 (but also less games, some of them very good) so its games are held up to a higher scale.

The PS2 library is higher quality than the wii, so PS2 games get graded harder.

hakanakumono

no. its not compared to the rest of the library, its compared to the other games in the same genre...

do you honestly think that for each ps2 game being reviewed, that they consider every single game in the ps2 library before they give it its score?

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

It's easy to tell when a game is going to be a 7 (which is an 8 for the wii). Good, but not great. It's harder to pick out poor titles or great titles.

The majority of the wii looks like 7 material. Okay, but there are much better 3rd party games on other consoles.

hakanakumono

Haven't you ever looked at an upcoming game and known that it was going to be "good," but nothing more?

Not true. For that to be true IDENTICAL multiplats on the 360 and PS3 would automatically score higher on the 360.

The only time a mutliplat on the 360 scores higher than the PS3 is if the PS3 version is inferior.

They are held to the same exact standard.

RuprechtMonkey

Then standards have changed.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

ogvampire

It's because its compared to the rest of the library for the console.

The PS3 has less garbage than the 360 (but also less games, some of them very good) so its games are held up to a higher scale.

The PS2 library is higher quality than the wii, so PS2 games get graded harder.

no. its not compared to the rest of the library, its compared to the other games in the same genre...

do you honestly think that for each game being reviewed that they consider every single game in the ps2 library to give it a score?

I'm not saying its actually considered and conciously thought about.

[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]

Not true. For that to be true IDENTICAL multiplats on the 360 and PS3 would automatically score higher on the 360.

The only time a mutliplat on the 360 scores higher than the PS3 is if the PS3 version is inferior.

They are held to the same exact standard.

hakanakumono

Then standards have changed.

It has always been this way, The 360 and PS3 are held to the exact same standard.

If a game releases on both of the two at the same time and it is the same they wil receive identical scores. The only way one gets a lower score is if it's released a long, long time later, or in the case of a simultaneous release, if one is clearly inferior.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]

Not true. For that to be true IDENTICAL multiplats on the 360 and PS3 would automatically score higher on the 360.

The only time a mutliplat on the 360 scores higher than the PS3 is if the PS3 version is inferior.

They are held to the same exact standard.

RuprechtMonkey

Then standards have changed.

It has always been this way, The 360 and PS3 are held to the exact same standard.

If a game releases on both of the two at the same time and it is the same they wil receive identical scores. The only way one gets a lower score is if it's released a long, long time later, or in the case of a simultaneous release, if one is clearly inferior.

Ok I fold.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

hakanakumono

It's because its compared to the rest of the library for the console.

The PS3 has less garbage than the 360 (but also less games, some of them very good) so its games are held up to a higher scale.

The PS2 library is higher quality than the wii, so PS2 games get graded harder.

no. its not compared to the rest of the library, its compared to the other games in the same genre...

do you honestly think that for each game being reviewed that they consider every single game in the ps2 library to give it a score?

I'm not saying its actually considered and conciously thought about.

oh i see, nevertheless though

reviews really have nothin to do with the library of a system. it has everything to do with that genre, and how the game is either pushing the genre forward or is a great example of what that genre offers.

[QUOTE="Rocky32189"]You cannot criticize Nintendo's first party lineup without holding up its competitors to the same criticismStevo_the_gamer

You're not understanding what he's trying to say -- without Nintendo's first party, the Wii has next-to-nothing. The way Wii owners argue for the Wii is Nintendo's first party, and its first party only. Microsoft and Sony don't need to rely on its first party -- Nintendo has too.

I'll translate: In other words, "Microsoft and Sony's first party divisions aren't strong enough to support a console's library, but Nintendo's is". All joking aside...

If you think there's nothing on the Wii besides Nintendo titles then you don't have the right to criticize the console. It's easy to bash the Wii when you overlook all it's great games, isn't it?

I'll translate: In other words, "Microsoft and Sony's first party divisions aren't strong enough to support a console's library, but Nintendo's is". All joking aside...

If you think there's nothing on the Wii besides Nintendo titles then you don't have the right to criticize the console. It's easy to bash the Wii when you overlook all it's great games, isn't it?

Rocky32189

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Rocky32189"]You cannot criticize Nintendo's first party lineup without holding up its competitors to the same criticismRocky32189

You're not understanding what he's trying to say -- without Nintendo's first party, the Wii has next-to-nothing. The way Wii owners argue for the Wii is Nintendo's first party, and its first party only. Microsoft and Sony don't need to rely on its first party -- Nintendo has too.

I'll translate: In other words, "Microsoft and Sony's first party divisions aren't strong enough to support a console's library, but Nintendo's is". All joking aside...

If you think there's nothing on the Wii besides Nintendo titles then you don't have the right to criticize the console. It's easy to bash the Wii when you overlook all it's great games, isn't it?

I agree that the Wii gets good third party games some times, but I'm just wondering, do you think believe this third party support compares to the one on 360/PS3? seriously, it's perfectly fine to defend the console against people who say it has no good games(which is myth), but some things are really that obvious.

[QUOTE="Rocky32189"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Rocky32189"]You cannot criticize Nintendo's first party lineup without holding up its competitors to the same criticismqewrewq

You're not understanding what he's trying to say -- without Nintendo's first party, the Wii has next-to-nothing. The way Wii owners argue for the Wii is Nintendo's first party, and its first party only. Microsoft and Sony don't need to rely on its first party -- Nintendo has too.

I'll translate: In other words, "Microsoft and Sony's first party divisions aren't strong enough to support a console's library, but Nintendo's is". All joking aside...

If you think there's nothing on the Wii besides Nintendo titles then you don't have the right to criticize the console. It's easy to bash the Wii when you overlook all it's great games, isn't it?

I agree that the Wii gets good third party games some times, but I'm just wondering, do you think this third party support compares to the one on 360/PS3? seriously, it's perfectly fine to defend the console against people who say it has no good games(which is myth), but some things are really obvious.

IMO Yes. IYO Noair_wolf_cubed

It's not about opinions, both 360 and PS3 get many more high budget third party games than the Wii, you may think none of these games are "fun", but that doesn't change anything. The 360/PS3 third party support is better, that's a fact.

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]

IMO Yes. IYO Noqewrewq

It's not about opinions, both 360 and PS3 get many more high budget third party games than the Wii, you may think none of these games are "fun", but that doesn't change anything. The 360/PS3 third party support is better, that's a fact.

actually, it is about opinions. 360 and ps3 get more 3rd party support, but whether those games are 'better' is all opinion

[QUOTE="qewrewq"]

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]

IMO Yes. IYO Noogvampire

It's not about opinions, both 360 and PS3 get many more high budget third party games than the Wii, you may think none of these games are "fun", but that doesn't change anything. The 360/PS3 third party support is better, that's a fact.

actually, it is about opinions. 360 and ps3 get more 3rd party support, but whether those games are 'better' is all opinion

yeah, ok. But we don't argue opinions here, we argue ratings. the Wii has less high rated third party games than the competition, that's a fact.

yeah, ok. But we don't argue opinions here, we argue ratings. the Wii has less high rated third party games than the competition, that's a fact.

qewrewq

Dingdingding! Someone buy this guy a drink.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="qewrewq"]

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]

IMO Yes. IYO Noqewrewq

It's not about opinions, both 360 and PS3 get many more high budget third party games than the Wii, you may think none of these games are "fun", but that doesn't change anything. The 360/PS3 third party support is better, that's a fact.

actually, it is about opinions. 360 and ps3 get more 3rd party support, but whether those games are 'better' is all opinion

yeah, ok. But we don't argue opinions here, we argue ratings. the Wii has less high rated third party games than the competition, that's a fact.

well, a rating is still just an opinion by the person doing the review...

it is a fact that the wii has less high-rated third party games, but again, that doesnt really mean they are better. it differs from person to person

you can use ratings for ownage in SW, but in reality they mean nothing...

I agree that the Wii gets good third party games some times, but I'm just wondering, do you think believe this third party support compares to the one on 360/PS3? seriously, it's perfectly fine to defend the console against people who say it has no good games(which is myth), but some things are really that obvious.

qewrewq

Well... I don't think it's unfair for someone to say that the 360/PS3 has a better third party lineup. It's certainly unfair to say that the Wii has "next-to-nothing" on the third party front though.

It really does come down to opinion though. The Wii has so much on the third party front in the way of unique franchises that the other two consoles can't hold a candle to. Many third party titles on the other two consoles are very similar to each other, many are shooters, and many are upgraded versions of games we played last generation.

But on the other hand, if you put the lineups side by side the 360/PS3 would most likely have a greater number of quality titles. But... I feel that the first party lineup from Nintendo makes up for that many times over.

All three consoles have great first and third party lineups at this point in their life. It's up to everyone to decide which one is right for them. Do you want a huge selection of great games (though many are similar and tons are sequels) or a smaller selection of diverse games that you've never played before? That's the difference between the third party lineups of the Wii and 360/PS3.

[QUOTE="qewrewq"][QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="qewrewq"]

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]

IMO Yes. IYO Noogvampire

It's not about opinions, both 360 and PS3 get many more high budget third party games than the Wii, you may think none of these games are "fun", but that doesn't change anything. The 360/PS3 third party support is better, that's a fact.

actually, it is about opinions. 360 and ps3 get more 3rd party support, but whether those games are 'better' is all opinion

yeah, ok. But we don't argue opinions here, we argue ratings. the Wii has less high rated third party games than the competition, that's a fact.

well, a rating is still just an opinion by the person doing the review...

it is a fact that the wii has less high-rated third party games, but again, that doesnt really mean they are better. it differs from person to person

you can use ratings for ownage in SW, but in reality they mean nothing...

yep, but this isn't reality, this is SW :).

and wolf, stop with the facepalms, seriously, they're full of fail.

[QUOTE="qewrewq"]

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]

IMO Yes. IYO Noair_wolf_cubed

It's not about opinions, both 360 and PS3 get many more high budget third party games than the Wii, you may think none of these games are "fun", but that doesn't change anything. The 360/PS3 third party support is better, that's afact.

Yeah, thats about my response to you if you really disagree.

yep, but this isn't reality, this is SW :).

and wolf, stop with the facepalms, seriously, they're full of fail.

qewrewq

heh. i cant argue with that...

yep, but this isn't reality, this is SW :).

and wolf, stop with the facepalms, seriously, they're full of fail.

qewrewq

[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="Rocky32189"]

[QUOTE="vashkey"]Did the Nintendo fans learn nothing from the 64 and Gamecube era?air_wolf_cubed

Please explain. Where are you going with this?

Since when does waiting for good Nintendo games stop?

There have always been large time gaps between good games from Nintendo.

I want more than just a few good games to play on a platform a year. I want more variety.

I don't give a flying crap that Nintendo has to provide for two platforms. That doesnt excuse Nintendo from meeting whats expected from any platform.

No. I don't cut slack for anyone.

I'd prefer to play good games from this year, this year. Not games I played last year and the year before, this year.

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]

[QUOTE="qewrewq"]

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]

IMO Yes. IYO Novashkey

It's not about opinions, both 360 and PS3 get many more high budget third party games than the Wii, you may think none of these games are "fun", but that doesn't change anything. The 360/PS3 third party support is better, that's afact.

Yeah, thats about my response to you if you really disagree.

Theyre not full of fail. Theyre there to tell you that fail is aroundair_wolf_cubed

nah, you just facepalm'ed a logical post, which means that facepalm...was full of fail. :)

[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="Rocky32189"][QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="Rocky32189"]

[QUOTE="vashkey"]Did the Nintendo fans learn nothing from the 64 and Gamecube era?Rocky32189

Please explain. Where are you going with this?

Since when does waiting for good Nintendo games stop?

There have always been large time gaps between good games from Nintendo.

Exactly. So why is this thread newsworthy? Do owners of the PS3 and 360 not have to wait a few months between first party releases?

Wii owners don't have to wait long. A great hardcore first party platformer is being released in less than a month.

Good dames in general take month to come out on the Wii.

What came out this month?

What came out last month?

The only big good games to come out on the Wii this year is Mario Kart and Smash Brothers.

Wario Land is coming in September and Animal Crossing is coming in November. So, you honsetly expect Nintendo to release great first party titles every month?

Do Microsoft and Sony release amazing first party titles every month? How is the Nintendo's first party situation any different than Sony or Microsoft?

No, Im talking about good games in general. I don't care who it comes from.

In that regard Nintendo really isnt doing well at all compared to Microsoft or Sony.

[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]

[QUOTE="qewrewq"]

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]

IMO Yes. IYO Noair_wolf_cubed

It's not about opinions, both 360 and PS3 get many more high budget third party games than the Wii, you may think none of these games are "fun", but that doesn't change anything. The 360/PS3 third party support is better, that's afact.

Yeah, thats about my response to you if you really disagree.

Yes, we already knew you were a fanboy. You established that long ago.

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]Theyre not full of fail. Theyre there to tell you that fail is aroundqewrewq

nah, you just facepalm'ed a logical post, which means that facepalm...was full of fail. :)

[QUOTE="qewrewq"]

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]Theyre not full of fail. Theyre there to tell you that fail is aroundair_wolf_cubed

nah, you just facepalm'ed a logical post, which means that facepalm...was full of fail. :)

read my other posts, I'm arguing scores, you know, these things that we use to argue on SW. i'm not saying 360/PS3 have better third party support because I said so, I'm saying that because both these consoles have more high rated third party games than the Wii.

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="qewrewq"]

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]Theyre not full of fail. Theyre there to tell you that fail is aroundqewrewq

nah, you just facepalm'ed a logical post, which means that facepalm...was full of fail. :)

read my other posts, I'm arguing scores, you know, these things that we use to argue on SW. i'm not saying 360/PS3 have better third party support because I said so, I'm saying that because both these consoles have more high rated third party games than the Wii.

This is a funny thread. :lol:

Yeah, Nintendo just started making core games today and are releasing them in 2 years. :lol:

Thanks for proving my point. Scores are opinions. Kthxbaiair_wolf_cubed

wow, I give up. it's like arguing with........wolf.

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]

Thanks for proving my point. Scores are opinions. Kthxbaiqewrewq

wow, I give up. it's like arguing with........wolf.

[QUOTE="qewrewq"][QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]

Thanks for proving my point. Scores are opinions. Kthxbaiair_wolf_cubed

wow, I give up. it's like arguing with........wolf.

they are, but that's what we use to argue on SW, when I say 360/PS3 third party support is better, i'm going by SW rules, it's perfectly fine that you think the Wii's third party support is 'better', but here on SW..360/PS3 win in third party support. it's a SW fact. professional scores are what we use to argue which games are better, that's just how it goes on SW.

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="qewrewq"][QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]

Thanks for proving my point. Scores are opinions. Kthxbaiqewrewq

wow, I give up. it's like arguing with........wolf.

they are, but that's what we use to argue on SW, when I say 360/PS3 third party support is better, i'm going by SW rules, it's perfectly fine that you think the Wii's third party support is 'better', but here on SW..360/PS3 win in third party support. it's a SW fact. professional scores are what we use to argue which games are better, that's just how it goes on SW.

that may be how it is here in SW, but we dont live here... we live in reality, where SW rules are a joke

[QUOTE="qewrewq"][QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="qewrewq"][QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]

Thanks for proving my point. Scores are opinions. Kthxbaiogvampire

wow, I give up. it's like arguing with........wolf.

they are, but that's what we use to argue on SW, when I say 360/PS3 third party support is better, i'm going by SW rules, it's perfectly fine that you think the Wii's third party support is 'better', but here on SW..360/PS3 win in third party support. it's a SW fact. professional scores are what we use to argue which games are better, that's just how it goes on SW.

that may be how it is here in SW, but we dont live here... we live in reality, where SW rules are a joke

yeah, but you are posting here, that's where the argument counts. In real life, you can say the Wii third party support is better, no one can prove you wrong, because in real life, no one set a rule that says "we go by scores", but since this argument is on SW, everything I said is completely true.

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="qewrewq"][QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]

Thanks for proving my point. Scores are opinions. Kthxbaiqewrewq

wow, I give up. it's like arguing with........wolf.

they are, but that's what we use to argue on SW, when I say 360/PS3 third party support is better, i'm going by SW rules, it's perfectly fine that you think the Wii's third party support is 'better', but here on SW..360/PS3 win in third party support. it's a SW fact. professional scores are what we use to argue which games are better, that's just how it goes on SW.

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"][QUOTE="subrosian"]The experience has evolved far too little compared to what the cusp of modern art-gaming can offer, in terms of experience, impact on the player, intellectual stimulation, visual appeal, auditory enticement, and the enhancement of the gamer via the act of gaming.

At best the Wii offers "amusement" - it lacks edification.

subrosian

I'd take amusement over modern art any day. I prefer music for my art outlet(though certainly not the modern type :?).

So you like rehashed, remixed, and watered-down in your games, but not in your music :P

No, Im talking about good games in general. I don't care who it comes from.

In that regard Nintendo really isnt doing well at all compared to Microsoft or Sony.

vashkey

You're going to criticize Nintendo for what third parties are doing?

[QUOTE="vashkey"]No, Im talking about good games in general. I don't care who it comes from.

In that regard Nintendo really isnt doing well at all compared to Microsoft or Sony.

Rocky32189

You're going to criticize Nintendo for what third parties are doing?

Nintendo pushed for casual and they got it.