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[QUOTE="Rocky32189"][QUOTE="vashkey"]No, Im talking about good games in general. I don't care who it comes from.In that regard Nintendo really isnt doing well at all compared to Microsoft or Sony.
hakanakumono
You're going to criticize Nintendo for what third parties are doing?
Nintendo pushed for casual and they got it.
They also pushed for great unique games that aren't possible on other platforms and they got it.
In complete agreement. I keep looking for reasons to pick up a Wii, but only find a few 'potentials' which certainly do not justify me purchasing one when weighed against all of the great prospects that I am anticipating for both the PS3 and 360. However, much like last gen with the GC, I imagine that I will probably end up with one towards the end of the generation just so I can have something different to play when the mood takes me. I am sure that there will be enough 'potentials' that will make it a somewhat worthwhile purchase for me by then....maybe.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="Rocky32189"][QUOTE="vashkey"]No, Im talking about good games in general. I don't care who it comes from.In that regard Nintendo really isnt doing well at all compared to Microsoft or Sony.
Rocky32189
You're going to criticize Nintendo for what third parties are doing?
Nintendo pushed for casual and they got it.
They also pushed for great unique games that aren't possible on other platforms and they got it.
Are they really? Without the use of waggle techniques or pointing at the screen, couldn't most of the "innovation" be done with a standard controller?
Updated controls for old games isn't really anything new.
Bro, I decided to sell my Wii when the anemic list durin and after E3 was presented to us.Joystiq Article
So... does this mean we won't be seeing something beyond the "list filler" "it's sorta a core game" stuff for the Wii until 2010 from Nintendo? I lost faith after E3 2007 and E3 2008 - but I kept hearing "just wait, it's coming." Only, apparently, it's not coming anytime soon :|
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I'm done being pissed, I'm simply tired of this. I recently found out I'll be getting a Wii gratis, it's in the mail to my house as we speak. I went through *every Wii game* looking for titles to stock my library with, and came up with half-a-dozen potential games, out of all of them, that meet my needs. And I'm not the only person left feeling this way...
Nintendo, you continue to disappoint me - you used to mean something with consoles - I think the reality has become this - if you're a Nintendo fan, and a serious gamer, buy a DS, the Wii will supposedly be enjoyed by your family and friends, but you're getting a long wait to have the kind of games you camp out for :/
subrosian
The Wii is dead to me.
It will be on eBay as soon as it gets near holiday rush time.
laughter in the face of a grim, dire reality is nothing more than a defense mechanism, my friend.This is a funny thread. :lol:
Yeah, Nintendo just started making core games today and are releasing them in 2 years. :lol:
Zhengi
I feel for you if the Wii is your only source of console gaming. truly.
[QUOTE="Rocky32189"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"]MP3 is crapMrGrimFandango
http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/928517.asp
AAA = crap? Wow. And I thought my standards were high...
I'm just used to higher standard of PC shooters, nothing against the game but its junk.Yes I know its an adverture / shooter / puzzle, but it was still a snorefest. And rlx guy its just an opinion.
the prime games are the only first person anything on a console i buysorry but i dont think you have ever played a prime game and then trying to hide behinde we pc guys pff
metroid prime 3 was great better then 2 but not quite 1
"Hardcore" gamers really need to stop crying. Here. MagnuzGuerra
No ones crying, they're just leaving nintendo.
Are they really? Without the use of waggle techniques or pointing at the screen, couldn't most of the "innovation" be done with a standard controller?Updated controls for old games isn't really anything new.
hakanakumono
Zack & Wiki immediately comes to mind as a game that couldn't be duplicated on the other consoles. After playing Metroid Prime 3 and Medal of Honor: Heroes 2, I never want to play a FPS with dual analog control again. With Shaun White and Skate It implementing the balance board, why would I ever want to play a skateboard/snowboard game with a controller ever again? With Motion Plus coming, why would I ever want to do any type of sword play with a regular controller again? Although nothing new, light gun games are only possible on the Wii (since most own LCD/Plasma TVs).
Those are just a few examples, but extremely off-topic. Lets get back to talking about this news story and why it's not newsworthy.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="MagnuzGuerra"]"Hardcore" gamers really need to stop crying. Here. MagnuzGuerra
No ones crying, they're just leaving nintendo.
Boohoo.._.; Uhuh ...
Well Subrosian has already had several "goodbye Nintendo" threads. Maybe not crying but he sure doesn't like to let go.grapefruit21
Good for him. I'm not crying because I didn't waste money on the system.
[QUOTE="MagnuzGuerra"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="MagnuzGuerra"]"Hardcore" gamers really need to stop crying. Here. hakanakumono
No ones crying, they're just leaving nintendo.
Boohoo.._.; Uhuh ...
So you really think Nintendo should give a damn about the "hardcore leaving"? The "hardcore" already has 360, PS3, PC and PSP to play. Let other people enjoy gaming a bit too with the Wii and DS. Hardcore need to stop thinking they are the center of the world.
While i somewhat agree, all they said was it takes 2-3 years to dev...guess what, they were on the next zelda as soon as TP launched, so it soon enough.
Bingo on both comments, though the reality of SW Monthly is frankly far more sinister.subrosian
Note to self: 40% more sinister in next set of articals
[QUOTE="Zhengi"]laughter in the face of a grim, dire reality is nothing more than a defense mechanism, my friend.This is a funny thread. :lol:
Yeah, Nintendo just started making core games today and are releasing them in 2 years. :lol:
Dreams-Visions
I feel for you if the Wii is your only source of console gaming. truly.
Grim, dire reality? :lol: What reality is that? Seriously, you're the one who is delusional.
The reality that Nintendo has released 21 games in 21 months since the launch of the Wii? The reality that Nintendo as a first party has done more for its platform than either MS and Sony? The reality that great games take time to make? The reality that it's not just today's announcement where Nintendo has decide to suddenly start making their core games? The reality that the market is not flooded by Nintendo casual games like everyone seems to pretend that is happening? What reality are you talking about?
I'm definitely curious. Now if you wanted to profit off selling your Wii, then definitely go for it. This is your right. I don't really care, but to pretend like Nintendo is at fault here when they have been so much better than MS and Sony is downright hilarious. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
I've said it once, and I'll say it again, the ones who are at fault here are 3rd party devs. They need to step it up to fill out the holiday line up. Take out all the 3rd party support that the 360 and PS3 have and you get a holiday line up that is terrible too. Include the rest of the year and you'll see just how barren it was on the 360 and PS3 have been all year.
So once more, what reality are you talking about?
Wow reading comprehension FTL
"We still have developers working on popular core gaming franchises but we need longer to complete these games, approximately two to three years,"
keyword - POPULAR
"These games are not ready to launch in early 2009 but are being worked on by all development teams."
keyword - EARLY 2009. why would they even bother putting the word early before 2009. If they were so certain it wouldnt come out in 2009, they wouldn't have put the word early there. Peoples anti-wii bias is totally clouding their judgement.
Wow reading comprehension FTL
"We still have developers working on popular core gaming franchises but we need longer to complete these games, approximately two to three years,"
keyword - POPULAR
"These games are not ready to launch in early 2009 but are being worked on by all development teams."
keyword - EARLY 2009. why would they even bother putting the word early before 2009. If they were so certain it wouldnt come out in 2009, they wouldn't have put the word early there. Peoples anti-wii bias is totally clouding their judgement.
Silenthps
Yup, that's part of the reason I was laughing. Nintendo is talking about their core franchises, Mario, Zelda, and Metroid, and all the haters are saying that Nintendo won't release another "hardcore" game in 2-3 years. It's just funny how their hatred has clouded not only their judgment, but also their reading comprehension.
[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="dotWithShoes"]Yess I remember all the crappy games that used to plague Nintendo systems way back to thedaysof the NES(of which I still own one). Worst of each series is a matter of opinion, and you're opinion doesn't match a LOT of peoples opinions. I for one enjoyed SSBB completly, as well as MKWii. Not as much fun as Double Dash but still a great game. My questio9n is, were YOU alive during the NES days?
dotWithShoes
Yes, I was alive then.
You think the Wii is free of crappy games? That's laughable - what's noteworthy and concerning is that the systems main (and best) developer is stretched so thin and taking so long to deliver the meat that what used to be its strongest audience desires.
Never said the Wii was free of crappy games. Do you really expect Nintendo to release a core game every month? Every other month? How often should Nintendo plop out a 'core' game for you?
:LOL: CONSIDERING nintendos only good games are its core seeing as how its 3rd party stinks......i say every 2 months....now if it had a decent 3rd party it be a diff story.Also since this is Nintendo talking about development it seems these are games developed by NintendoWow reading comprehension FTL
"We still have developers working on popular core gaming franchises but we need longer to complete these games, approximately two to three years,"
keyword - POPULAR
"These games are not ready to launch in early 2009 but are being worked on by all development teams."
keyword - EARLY 2009. why would they even bother putting the word early before 2009. If they were so certain it wouldnt come out in 2009, they wouldn't have put the word early there. Peoples anti-wii bias is totally clouding their judgement.
Silenthps
Star Fox, Kirby, F-Zero, Metroid, Geist, Fire Emblem, and others all arent or are not normally developed by Nintendo
It seems these days all your threads seem to be hatting on the wii, and I cant seem to blame you. In the long run in the stretch of 2 years so far there are 3-4 games tops that are worth my time on the wii. Nintendo keeps reassuring the core gamers that there will be more but in reality there hasnt been remotely close to a good game in a long while and the fall doesnt look exciting...Im sorry nintendo but this un exceptablesparkypants
If you only think there are 3-4 first party titles worth your time, you should start doing some research.
Wario Land is coming in a month and Animal Crossing is coming in 3 months. Do Microsoft and Sony release great first party titles more than every few months?
[QUOTE="sparkypants"]It seems these days all your threads seem to be hatting on the wii, and I cant seem to blame you. In the long run in the stretch of 2 years so far there are 3-4 games tops that are worth my time on the wii. Nintendo keeps reassuring the core gamers that there will be more but in reality there hasnt been remotely close to a good game in a long while and the fall doesnt look exciting...Im sorry nintendo but this un exceptableRocky32189
If you only think there are 3-4 first party titles worth your time, you should start doing some research.
Wario Land is coming in a month and Animal Crossing is coming in 3 months. Do Microsoft and Sony release great first party titles more than every few months?
of course I did some research...it is my money Im spending for myself if Im not going to be happy why waste my money? oh and R&C quest for booty just came out, not a super awesome title just a little something for the core R&C audience(like myself). Too Human just came out too, not bad for a summer release game :D
[QUOTE="sparkypants"]It seems these days all your threads seem to be hatting on the wii, and I cant seem to blame you. In the long run in the stretch of 2 years so far there are 3-4 games tops that are worth my time on the wii. Nintendo keeps reassuring the core gamers that there will be more but in reality there hasnt been remotely close to a good game in a long while and the fall doesnt look exciting...Im sorry nintendo but this un exceptableRocky32189
If you only think there are 3-4 first party titles worth your time, you should start doing some research.
Wario Land is coming in a month and Animal Crossing is coming in 3 months. Do Microsoft and Sony release great first party titles more than every few months?
The real question should be: Do they have too? Microsoft and Sony don't NEED 1st Party titles like Nintendo does. I mean... within the past 3 months (at GR), Microsoft has had 23 games which have scored above 69.999%; Sony has had 13 titles; Nintendo has had a whopping 3. :lol:[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]Melee, Pikmin, Luigi's Mansion, Sunshine, Metroid Prime, Star Fox Adventures. Probably some otherswhich Nintendo core games were released in GC's first year?
clicketyclick
Eh? Sunshine, Metroid Prime, and Star Fox Adventures were released in the Cube's second year.
Melee, Pikmin, Luigi's Mansion, and Wave Race Blue Storm were released the first year.
First year means the first 365 days. Not November and December of 2001[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="MagnuzGuerra"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="MagnuzGuerra"]"Hardcore" gamers really need to stop crying. Here. MagnuzGuerra
No ones crying, they're just leaving nintendo.
Boohoo.._.; Uhuh ...
So you really think Nintendo should give a damn about the "hardcore leaving"? The "hardcore" already has 360, PS3, PC and PSP to play. Let other people enjoy gaming a bit too with the Wii and DS. Hardcore need to stop thinking they are the center of the world.The hardcore actually has the DS.
[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]laughter in the face of a grim, dire reality is nothing more than a defense mechanism, my friend.This is a funny thread. :lol:
Yeah, Nintendo just started making core games today and are releasing them in 2 years. :lol:
Zhengi
I feel for you if the Wii is your only source of console gaming. truly.
Grim, dire reality? :lol: What reality is that? Seriously, you're the one who is delusional.
The reality that Nintendo has released 21 games in 21 months since the launch of the Wii? The reality that Nintendo as a first party has done more for its platform than either MS and Sony? The reality that great games take time to make? The reality that it's not just today's announcement where Nintendo has decide to suddenly start making their core games? The reality that the market is not flooded by Nintendo casual games like everyone seems to pretend that is happening? What reality are you talking about?
I'm definitely curious. Now if you wanted to profit off selling your Wii, then definitely go for it. This is your right. I don't really care, but to pretend like Nintendo is at fault here when they have been so much better than MS and Sony is downright hilarious. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
I've said it once, and I'll say it again, the ones who are at fault here are 3rd party devs. They need to step it up to fill out the holiday line up. Take out all the 3rd party support that the 360 and PS3 have and you get a holiday line up that is terrible too. Include the rest of the year and you'll see just how barren it was on the 360 and PS3 have been all year.
So once more, what reality are you talking about?
How has nintendo done more than sony?
[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]laughter in the face of a grim, dire reality is nothing more than a defense mechanism, my friend.This is a funny thread. :lol:
Yeah, Nintendo just started making core games today and are releasing them in 2 years. :lol:
hakanakumono
I feel for you if the Wii is your only source of console gaming. truly.
Grim, dire reality? :lol: What reality is that? Seriously, you're the one who is delusional.
The reality that Nintendo has released 21 games in 21 months since the launch of the Wii? The reality that Nintendo as a first party has done more for its platform than either MS and Sony? The reality that great games take time to make? The reality that it's not just today's announcement where Nintendo has decide to suddenly start making their core games? The reality that the market is not flooded by Nintendo casual games like everyone seems to pretend that is happening? What reality are you talking about?
I'm definitely curious. Now if you wanted to profit off selling your Wii, then definitely go for it. This is your right. I don't really care, but to pretend like Nintendo is at fault here when they have been so much better than MS and Sony is downright hilarious. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
I've said it once, and I'll say it again, the ones who are at fault here are 3rd party devs. They need to step it up to fill out the holiday line up. Take out all the 3rd party support that the 360 and PS3 have and you get a holiday line up that is terrible too. Include the rest of the year and you'll see just how barren it was on the 360 and PS3 have been all year.
So once more, what reality are you talking about?
How has nintendo done more than sony?
How have they not? They've released Zelda, Paper Mario, Battalion Wars 2, Fire Emblem, Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros Brawl, and Mario Kart since launch. What has Sony released? Uncharted, Heveanly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, and Folklore. Anything else I'm missing? Those games don't even compare to the quality and quantity of games that Nintendo has released for the Wii.
So the real question is how has Sony done more than Nintendo?
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]laughter in the face of a grim, dire reality is nothing more than a defense mechanism, my friend.This is a funny thread. :lol:
Yeah, Nintendo just started making core games today and are releasing them in 2 years. :lol:
Zhengi
I feel for you if the Wii is your only source of console gaming. truly.
Grim, dire reality? :lol: What reality is that? Seriously, you're the one who is delusional.
The reality that Nintendo has released 21 games in 21 months since the launch of the Wii? The reality that Nintendo as a first party has done more for its platform than either MS and Sony? The reality that great games take time to make? The reality that it's not just today's announcement where Nintendo has decide to suddenly start making their core games? The reality that the market is not flooded by Nintendo casual games like everyone seems to pretend that is happening? What reality are you talking about?
I'm definitely curious. Now if you wanted to profit off selling your Wii, then definitely go for it. This is your right. I don't really care, but to pretend like Nintendo is at fault here when they have been so much better than MS and Sony is downright hilarious. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
I've said it once, and I'll say it again, the ones who are at fault here are 3rd party devs. They need to step it up to fill out the holiday line up. Take out all the 3rd party support that the 360 and PS3 have and you get a holiday line up that is terrible too. Include the rest of the year and you'll see just how barren it was on the 360 and PS3 have been all year.
So once more, what reality are you talking about?
How has nintendo done more than sony?
How have they not? They've released Zelda, Paper Mario, Battalion Wars 2, Fire Emblem, Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros Brawl, and Mario Kart since launch. What has Sony released? Uncharted, Heveanly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, and Folklore. Anything else I'm missing? Those games don't even compare to the quality and quantity of games that Nintendo has released for the Wii.
So the real question is how has Sony done more than Nintendo?
Are you kidding? Uncharted doesn't? Ratchet and Clank? They are both known for being very good games. You're also forgetting Siren and Little Big Planet.
Just because they have produced more games does not mean nintendo does more for gaming in general.
Nintendo has focused on casuals this generation, which is imo (and the opinions of many) working against gaming, not for it.
Are you kidding? Uncharted doesn't? Ratchet and Clank? They are both known for being very good games. You're also forgetting Siren and Little Big Planet.
Just because they have produced more games does not mean nintendo does more for gaming in general.
Nintendo has focused on casuals this generation, which is imo (and the opinions of many) working against gaming, not for it.
hakanakumono
How has focusing on casuals working against gaming? Gaming is the art of playing video games. Even a game targeted at causals is still a video game. And it still can be fun. Video games are supposed to be fun. Thats their main purpose. So if your having fun, it doesnt matter what type of audience the game is being targeted at.
I dont see why getting casuals playing video games is a bad thing... All it is doing is expanding the market and creating more money for the gaming industry.
LOL The post in this thread is pretty funny, and I really don't know how some people can be disappointed in Nintendo. They gave us plenty of great games in not even 2 years, but I guess as a "real nintendo fan" I should be pissed at them for only giving me animal crossings this year but........ I buy 3rd party titles for every one of my nintedo consoles and handhelds >_>. Plus I usally own every or have access to consoles and handhelds. I'm really enjoying my Wii more than my 360 and PS3 now. So I really don't understand the Wii hate, and I probably going to have more Wii games than both my consoles and probably my PC, but I guess my taste in games is bad since I'm interested in a good bit of Wii games that are coming out BY THIRD PARTIES later this year and sometime next year.
Also I don't remember seeing the article say it's going to take 2 years for Nintendo to come out with a game.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]Are you kidding? Uncharted doesn't? Ratchet and Clank? They are both known for being very good games. You're also forgetting Siren and Little Big Planet.
Just because they have produced more games does not mean nintendo does more for gaming in general.
Nintendo has focused on casuals this generation, which is imo (and the opinions of many) working against gaming, not for it.
Cheese-Muffins
How has focusing on casuals working against gaming? Gaming is the art of playing video games. Even a game targeted at causals is still a video game. And it still can be fun. Video games are supposed to be fun. Thats their main purpose. So if your having fun, it doesnt matter what type of audience the game is being targeted at.
I dont see why getting casuals playing video games is a bad thing... All it is doing is expanding the market and creating more money for the gaming industry.
All videogames are not equal in value. Casual games provide the lowest level of fulfillment that videogames offer - cheap fun. Sony is focused on games that provide higher levels of fulfillment, like LBP with its level creation tools and Siren with its strong storytelling.
It's not expanding the market, its shifting the market away from gamers. Nintendo is going to fall hard when the casual gamers get bored of the wii. Nintendo is alienating the hardcore market, and Sony and Microsoft are there to welcome them with open arms.
Just because they have produced more games does not mean nintendo does more for gaming in general. hakanakumono
There is no company in existence that has done more for "gaming in general" than Nintendo. Seriously, what has Sony done for "gaming in general" since they entered the gaming market? They created 3 great consoles and have a solid game development studio, but everything they've done had been done in the past.
Casual games provide the lowest level of fulfillment that videogames offer - cheap fun.hakanakumono
Yeah, because the last thing we want is to have fun...
Sony is focused on games that provide higher levels of fulfillment, like LBP with its level creation tools and Siren with its strong storytelling.hakanakumono
Nintendo makes those games too and they often better than the ones Sony provides. And these are on top of those dreadful "fun" games you mentioned earlier.
Grim, dire reality? :lol: What reality is that? Seriously, you're the one who is delusional.
The reality that Nintendo has released 21 games in 21 months since the launch of the Wii? The reality that Nintendo as a first party has done more for its platform than either MS and Sony? The reality that great games take time to make? The reality that it's not just today's announcement where Nintendo has decide to suddenly start making their core games? The reality that the market is not flooded by Nintendo casual games like everyone seems to pretend that is happening? What reality are you talking about?
I'm definitely curious. Now if you wanted to profit off selling your Wii, then definitely go for it. This is your right. I don't really care, but to pretend like Nintendo is at fault here when they have been so much better than MS and Sony is downright hilarious. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
I've said it once, and I'll say it again, the ones who are at fault here are 3rd party devs. They need to step it up to fill out the holiday line up. Take out all the 3rd party support that the 360 and PS3 have and you get a holiday line up that is terrible too. Include the rest of the year and you'll see just how barren it was on the 360 and PS3 have been all year.
So once more, what reality are you talking about?
Zhengi
Its not 3rd party developers job to step up, they don't have any connections with the Wii. If the Wii fails 3rd parties will be able to still make games. Its Nintendo's job to get 3rd party support just like its Microsoft's and Sony's job to secure 3rd party support for their respective consoles as well.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]Just because they have produced more games does not mean nintendo does more for gaming in general. Rocky32189
There is no company in existence that has done more for "gaming in general" than Nintendo. Seriously, what has Sony done for "gaming in general" since they entered the gaming market? They created 3 great consoles and have a solid game development studio, but everything they've done had been done in the past.
Casual games provide the lowest level of fulfillment that videogames offer - cheap fun.hakanakumono
Yeah, because the last thing we want is to have fun...
Sony is focused on games that provide higher levels of fulfillment, like LBP with its level creation tools and Siren with its strong storytelling.hakanakumono
Nintendo makes those games too and they often better than the ones Sony provides. And these are on top of those dreadful "fun" games you mentioned earlier.
I may not have played many sony games, but I do know that Siren was probably the most innovative game I had ever played, probably more innovative than any other nintendo title (nintendo did produce pikmin though, which was very innovative and I'm glad to hear they're making another for the wii). While sony has not innovated itself, the games that appeared on the playstations were innovators. Sony's strong 3rd party support put innovation on the PS1. Although it begin with the snes (or even maybe the PC), the playstation fueled the idea of games as a storytelling medium, with disc based format that could handle the best fmvs at the time, as well as a tailored for 3D system that became the home for the possibly the greatest stories and most cinematic titles that had ever occured on a console. Sony may have not done everything themselves, but the games that appeared on their consoles made great strives for gaming.
I'm not saying fun isn't a good thing. Fun is. Wario Ware is probably very fun. But it doesn't provide any form of lasting value. It's cheap, but its very good at what it does. Overall, games like super mario 64 are a more valuable experience. And if you're looking for a storyline to meet your fulfillment level (like me and many JRPG gamers), a game with an amazing story is going to hold more value than super mario 64. At the same time, if you don't care about storyline, and a game only has a great storyline but poor gameplay, then people who want gameplay to meet their fulfillment level are going to be disappointed.
The problem with casual games like wario ware is that they meet neither of those requirements. They only provide a cheap fun fulfillment level that tailors to people who play games like they read magazines.
Nintendo games are not better thant he games nintendo provides, as proved earlier in this thread. Sony games have higher quality in general. If you want I can go back a few pages and pull it up. Nintendo does provide solid games though. I'm tempted to play super mario sunshine again after I beat Grandia on the saturn. I'm not saying that nintendo is garbage, or that its games aren't worth it. They are. But I think most hardcore gamers are looking for more than what nintendo provides them with, and the extra focus on casuals is frustrating to them.
My position on Nintendo is... complicated.
I actually like what they're doing with the Wii. The disruption it created is really valuable. The important thing that Nintendo showed is that game quality, in the eyes of consumers, isn't based on fancy graphics and technological tricks. They can help, but they ultimately serve the experience of playing the game, and that's what truly matters. And there are many ways of making that experience better that have nothing to do with graphics. Companies are seeing that, and trying to catch up.
There are a lot of different factors responsible for the current XBLA explosion going on. This summer, Xbox Live Arcade got two AAA games, and two AAs, in the span of a month. These games aren't the best looking titles, and they aren't the longest or most expensive or craziest. But they're relatively short games that are well-designed, fun, and cheap. I think that this trend is going to continue a long way into the future. And the Wii is partially responsible.
In terms of Nintendo's game output, though, I'm still not sold on it. They've created some exceptional titles since launch, all of which were announced well in advance of the Wii's unprecedented success. And now, I'm not seeing much else from them that gets me excited, and third parties, despite their best efforts, are underdelivering. This might not be the Wii's fault, but it's the truth.
I want to believe in Nintendo, because I like what they put out. And if you compare the Wii's game output to the Gamecube's, you'll see that the Gamecube, at this point in its lifecycle, went through a big game drought, before 2004 rolled around and brought a number of good games. I'm hoping to be surprised in 2009. But that won't get me playing my console now, certainly, and I'm having trouble justifying to myself why I still own it.
As long as most third parties continue to treat the Wii like a defective cousin to the next-gen consoles, it will never deliver on most of its potential, and that's a shame. There are a few interesting ideas, but not a ton of real commitment. That could change over the next year, but right now, my Wii is gathering dust.
[QUOTE="Zhengi"]How have they not? They've released Zelda, Paper Mario, Battalion Wars 2, Fire Emblem, Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros Brawl, and Mario Kart since launch. What has Sony released? Uncharted, Heveanly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, and Folklore. Anything else I'm missing? Those games don't even compare to the quality and quantity of games that Nintendo has released for the Wii.
So the real question is how has Sony done more than Nintendo?
hakanakumono
Are you kidding? Uncharted doesn't? Ratchet and Clank? They are both known for being very good games. You're also forgetting Siren and Little Big Planet.
Just because they have produced more games does not mean nintendo does more for gaming in general.
Nintendo has focused on casuals this generation, which is imo (and the opinions of many) working against gaming, not for it.
I mentioned Uncharted and Ratchet and Clank. Neither one of them even come close to SMG, GOTY for 2008. They're not bad games, but if those are your only examples, then you've failed. Those don't match up to the quality of Nintendo's first party games. And Siren is a fine game, but how many games is that? 5 Sony games vs. 8 Nintendo games. Where's the quantity and quality? Sony definitely can't match Nintendo.
And LBP isn't even out yet. And between now and then, Nintendo is releasing other games like Warioland and Animal Crossing. They're not exactly slacking off. No can Sony even compare to Nintendo's line up.
I also find it funny how you keep focusing on Nintendo's casual games. You're making it seem like Sony has never made the Eye Toy games or the Sing Star games. Bunch of hypocrites. Sony won with the PS1 and PS2 because they went after the casuals as well. Now that Nintendo does it, they're the big bad wolf trying to destroy the gaming industry. :roll:
Its not 3rd party developers job to step up, they don't have any connections with the Wii. If the Wii fails 3rd parties will be able to still make games. Its Nintendo's job to get 3rd party support just like its Microsoft's and Sony's job to secure 3rd party support for their respective consoles as well.
opex07
So long as the Wii continues to sell well to this new audience, it's not in Nintendo's best interest to gain more serious third party support. As primary publisher they have little real competition - unlike Sony or Microsoft, their system sells even without the third parties.
That costs core Wii owners dearly though, Nintendo's icy third party relations results in games that "could have been" on the Wii and "could have" utilized the Wiimote (I don't buy the idea that the Wiimote inherently makes up for the Wii's other hardware faults, but, that's another battle for another day) finding friendlier shores on the 360 / PS3 / PC.
[QUOTE="Zhengi"]Grim, dire reality? :lol: What reality is that? Seriously, you're the one who is delusional.
The reality that Nintendo has released 21 games in 21 months since the launch of the Wii? The reality that Nintendo as a first party has done more for its platform than either MS and Sony? The reality that great games take time to make? The reality that it's not just today's announcement where Nintendo has decide to suddenly start making their core games? The reality that the market is not flooded by Nintendo casual games like everyone seems to pretend that is happening? What reality are you talking about?
I'm definitely curious. Now if you wanted to profit off selling your Wii, then definitely go for it. This is your right. I don't really care, but to pretend like Nintendo is at fault here when they have been so much better than MS and Sony is downright hilarious. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
I've said it once, and I'll say it again, the ones who are at fault here are 3rd party devs. They need to step it up to fill out the holiday line up. Take out all the 3rd party support that the 360 and PS3 have and you get a holiday line up that is terrible too. Include the rest of the year and you'll see just how barren it was on the 360 and PS3 have been all year.
So once more, what reality are you talking about?
opex07
Its not 3rd party developers job to step up, they don't have any connections with the Wii. If the Wii fails 3rd parties will be able to still make games. Its Nintendo's job to get 3rd party support just like its Microsoft's and Sony's job to secure 3rd party support for their respective consoles as well.
Yes it is. Nintendo has done what they needed to do to entice 3rd party devs to join them. They provided them the largest install base plus the Wii sells a lot of software including 3rd party sales. Everything is right there for them to make better games. The 3rd party devs like EA are reporting losses in their fiscal report. Did you know that EA has reported 6 straight quarters in losses despite having big games come out on the 360 and PS3?
The numbers and the writing is on the wall. 3rd party devs can succeed on the Wii. Everything is laid out for them. They need to make the games. The good thing is that Japanese devs are starting to realize this and they're putting more support on the Wii. Western devs aren't and they'll only hurt themselves in the long run. At least some devs like EA and Activision are starting to realize that making games for the Wii is good for them and us gamers.
[QUOTE="opex07"]Its not 3rd party developers job to step up, they don't have any connections with the Wii. If the Wii fails 3rd parties will be able to still make games. Its Nintendo's job to get 3rd party support just like its Microsoft's and Sony's job to secure 3rd party support for their respective consoles as well.
subrosian
So long as the Wii continues to sell well to this new audience, it's not in Nintendo's best interest to gain more serious third party support. As primary publisher they have little real competition - unlike Sony or Microsoft, their system sells even without the third parties.
That costs core Wii owners dearly though, Nintendo's icy third party relations results in games that "could have been" on the Wii and "could have" utilized the Wiimote (I don't buy the idea that the Wiimote inherently makes up for the Wii's other hardware faults, but, that's another battle for another day) finding friendlier shores on the 360 / PS3 / PC.
Wrong. Their system sells because of third parties. Imagine if they had no 3rd party games. Their sales would be even worst and pathetic compared to the way the Wii sells. Man, if those consoles depended solely on first party games, it would be barren and filled droughts.
Wrong. Their system sells because of third parties. Imagine if they had no 3rd party games. Their sales would be even worst and pathetic compared to the way the Wii sells. Man, if those consoles depended solely on first party games, it would be barren and filled droughts.
Zhengi
The 360 and PS3 depend on their third parties, how is that a wrong statement :|
The Wii doesn't have much high-budget / quality third party support, yet sells well. How is that wrong?
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