Uncharted 4 sales surpass Halo 5...a new king arrives(Naughty Dog)

LMAO but you were the one going off about how bad Halo 5 was and it wasn't selling and its crap, but now Uncharted 4 outselling it is a big deal? You're lack of consistency is hilarious.

This thread should be locked for false claims with no supporting evidence and the TC and fanboys that ate up the lie and came out with their own lies should be put on time out. Tagged this thread and see the usual cow suspects jumping for joy too early. The fact is that the Halo franchise is more popular and successful than any franchise on a PlayStation, sales and scores could back up these claims too.

To be expected, and with all the praises left and right, it's only add more fuel to the momentum!!!

Kudos ND, you deserve it all.

You should like the new Nintendo Nostalgia Xtreme console then. You make it sound like new IP's are a bad thing.

10 million by the end of 2016 i would guess

New IPs that DO SELL and have STRONGER ATTACH rates are a good thing. That mostly applies to MS and Nintendo Ips. Can't say much about most PS exclusives, both past and present. Which explains, for example, why Halo MP still obliterates, still talked about, still bigger, still played among Halo fans/players versus the Killzone franchise...crickets....crickets...crickets..... I'm sure there are some players online, but it pales in comparison to the dedication invested in the Halo MP games. And when you look at the PS4 sales comparison, why isn't Guerrilla dedicating more investments in prolonging the longevity of Killzone Shadow Falls, or past KZ games?

Resistance series, one of my favs on the PS platform, is no longer being played because the servers are shut down. However, Sony owns the IP, i believe Insomniac gave up on it. Why? Resistance 2 had an amazing MP. Sony could have easily revive the series if they wanted to, to compete against Halo.

As for the Nintendo Nostalgia thing, maybe I would. I grew up on their systems, especially Gen 4, my generation. But the fact remains, Nintendo franchises hold more value, attach rates and longevity among gamers and dedicated fans.

Well no surprise halo is shit=shit sales

Uncharted is well godly so godly sales

@Zero_epyon said:

@dynamitecop said:

Sales mean nothing, attach rates are the real ammunition. To beat Halo 5's attach rate; Uncharted 4 will have to sell roughly 10+ million units given the 2:1 hardware lead.

If Uncharted 4 cannot do that it will be by all accounts less successfully adopted by its install base.

Yeah, that's really dumb. How does a higher attach rate put more money in the pockets of the developer and publisher or please investors? Profit margins and sales numbers are what they care about. DLC revenue is another thing that helps. But attach rates? Nintendo has the highest software attach rates of the 3 consoles. Does that mean Nintendo is winning this gen? Because we all know the answer to that question is NO.

bu bu bu butttttttttt quatum break had the best launch in xbox history! LOL

Exactly attach rates don't mean crap to a big developer 343 or Naughty Dog or a Publisher like EA.

It all comes down to how much is my game selling how much money am I making etc.

If some dude buys 100 games on the console that doesn't help my 1 game i put out it only helps the console maker who makes a cut on all those sales.

Attach rates don't mean anything in the grand scheme. If a game sells more over there and sells more dlc over there that's where i put my game out first period attach rates be damned.

^^^^^^^ This

Actually it would be shameful if it didn´t happen that way.

@GoldenElementXL said:

@Zero_epyon said:

@dynamitecop said:

Sales mean nothing, attach rates are the real ammunition. To beat Halo 5's attach rate; Uncharted 4 will have to sell roughly 10+ million units given the 2:1 hardware lead.

If Uncharted 4 cannot do that it will be by all accounts less successfully adopted by its install base.

Yeah, that's really dumb. How does a higher attach rate put more money in the pockets of the developer and publisher or please investors? Profit margins and sales numbers are what they care about. DLC revenue is another thing that helps. But attach rates? Nintendo has the highest software attach rates of the 3 consoles. Does that mean Nintendo is winning this gen? Because we all know the answer to that question is NO.

True, but if that is being brought up then stock prices have to be brought up as that's what we (I own positions in all 3 companies) care about. And being that is the case, MSFT is showing more profit this gen to investors than either of the other 2 companies. I cant invest in the PS or Xbox division, I invest in MSFT and SNE. Does that mean MS is winning the gen?

@cainetao11 said:

@GoldenElementXL said:

@Zero_epyon said:

@dynamitecop said:

Sales mean nothing, attach rates are the real ammunition. To beat Halo 5's attach rate; Uncharted 4 will have to sell roughly 10+ million units given the 2:1 hardware lead.

If Uncharted 4 cannot do that it will be by all accounts less successfully adopted by its install base.

Yeah, that's really dumb. How does a higher attach rate put more money in the pockets of the developer and publisher or please investors? Profit margins and sales numbers are what they care about. DLC revenue is another thing that helps. But attach rates? Nintendo has the highest software attach rates of the 3 consoles. Does that mean Nintendo is winning this gen? Because we all know the answer to that question is NO.

True, but if that is being brought up then stock prices have to be brought up as that's what we (I own positions in all 3 companies) care about. And being that is the case, MSFT is showing more profit this gen to investors than either of the other 2 companies. Does that mean MS is winning the gen?

It means that MS is doing okay from what they seen on Xbox One sales units despite there far behind PS4 but not doing worse then Wii U sales to say the least. In short, nether company normally doesn't cares about being top dog, there looking for sales and profits is what the big 3 always good for.

@davillain-: Understood. I am merely saying bringing up "what investors care about" is misleading because investors care about the price of their investment. I cannot invest in the PS or Xbox division. I can and do invest in SNE on the NYSE and MSFT on the NASDAQ which comprises the entirety of those companies. NTDOY however is majority a gaming company.

Well there are other reason why the MSFT stock is at a higher price. You can't bring stock prices in to this. That's moving the goal posts again. Publishers and developers are more likely to front the cash for games that are selling well. Do you think they are more interested in making a 10 million seller with an attach rate of 1:6 or a 4 million seller with an attach rate of 1:4? They want to sell as many copies of their game to recoup production and marketing costs, and ultimately make a nice chunk of change as profits. They don't care about attach rates.

I'd be surprised if it didn't, Halo series is slowly dying off.

But why are we talking about you and investors? SONY isn't going to invest in a game that will lose them money from less than stellar sales. Publishers aren't going to spend $80 million marketing a game that will sell 2 million copies. Developers and Publishers do not care about attach rates, they care about profit margins. That in turn makes the studios, the Playstation division and ultimately Sony look more profitable and appealing to investors. But it starts at the development and publishing stages, not the investors. Investors react to performance, not the other way around.

Because I am an investor. What do you think it is called when a person buys securities? (Bonds and stocks) Investing. You said "investors", did you not? That encompasses a lot of people that invest their money in these companies fortunes.

Now you are the one changing it up to speak of investing in particular products of these companies. Next time be clear from the get go.

I mean the folks/companies investing money into making games, not individuals investing in these companies. Sorry. The video game portions of Microsoft and Sony don't have a ton of influence over the stock price as a whole. Which is why Playstation should be spun off and allowed to operate independently.

That's absurd reasoning. It is the very reason that the PS division is doing well that they are not spun off. It would be a detriment to Sony corp as a whole. Where as the Xbox division can be easily offset to a large degree just from MS' cell phone patents yearly income, never mind Windows.

Ha, well it already happened. Sony obviously agrees with me! :p Playstation was spun off earlier this year. Maybe I knew this but forgot?

Source

"Sony just announced that it's spinning off PlayStation into its own separate company, dubbed Sony Interactive Entertainment LLC. It combines Sony Computer Entertainment (basically any and all PlayStation-related hardware and software) with Sony Network Entertainment (services like PlayStation Vue and the PlayStation Store) and will be led by Andrew House as president and global CEO. Head of Worldwide Studios, Shuhei Yoshida, retains his title, but will now report toShawn Layden."

@Zero_epyon said:

@dynamitecop said:

Sales mean nothing, attach rates are the real ammunition. To beat Halo 5's attach rate; Uncharted 4 will have to sell roughly 10+ million units given the 2:1 hardware lead.

If Uncharted 4 cannot do that it will be by all accounts less successfully adopted by its install base.

No wonder he is the laughing stock of SW.

LOL I knew about this from my Sony quarterly report. Old news and its not truly a separate corp. SNE still has write off powers for cap losses on Sony Interactive as I am looking at them as we speak on my Capitaloneinvesting page dated May, 16 2016. AT&T, Symbol T on NYSE spun off its capital division in the 1990's and that was a separate, publicly traded company symbol TCC on the NYSE. AT&T could not make any claim on capital losses or gains by said spin off. Until that is done with this situation this is still a Sony owned and funded company. This is an LLC (limited liability company) that way it benefits from not having to hold board meetings or maintain records for investors but still benefit from the corporate arms of Sony corp.

@mems_1224: because people like third person shooters too. All those games are first person shooters with variations between them. First person shooters are plenty as always, the only competitive third person shooters out there right now are last of us and uncharted 4

angry birds outsells x1 games too , you can have your pixcharted 4 : the movie lmao

@jcrame10: lol " competitive"

Now I'm confused...

Me - Playstation would benefit from being spun off.
You - that's absurd.
Reality - Playstation WAS spun off already.
You - LOL I knew about this already. That's old news.

What was wrong with my original comment then if this is reality and you knew it already?

Still waiting for the TC to respond like...

@Stevo_the_gamer said:

@GoldenElementXL said:

Yeah I'm missing it too apparently. TC is using a weekly UK chart as evidence that "Uncharted 4 sales surpass Halo 5" but we don't have any information to back up the claim. Just a bunch of "Naughty Gods" and "Praise Sony" talk. And "A New King Arrives" means what? The king of the UK last week? Because before that Ratchet and Clank was the "king." Why is TC's thread talking about Halo 5 when R&C is the game that lost it's crown?

I'm confused...

Still waiting for the TC to respond like...

Well here is his source. I should have guessed this was a "see something on NeoGaf, start a thread here" thing.

How the hell does that make it the king? There are many games that out sell it this gen.....Are cows always stupid?

I think any one here would be much better reaching my level than yours.

You know that put artificial pitfall and pathetic excuse to try to win arguments.

You know sort of like when you wanted to act like MS ended 2nd because some how in your fragile mind the xbox 360 and PS3 stopped selling and adding units to their totals as soon as this generation started.

Not to mention that MS shipped to retailers 80 million units and 2 weeks latter sony sold 80 million to consumers,but then again your fragile mind doesn't have enough inside to take a guess and say well if MS over stuff the channels all generation long in the holidays fact is the xbox 360 is like 1.5 million units shipped under what they sold to consumer,which would put it grossly under the PS3 already.

But hell lets talk about how you want to pretend RROD didn't happen and how you want to act like YLOD was even freaking close to how bad RROD was,which some sites even claim that if the fail rate was based on the units they had the fail rate would be 100% because every single unit IGN failed at one point.

But yes my levels are the bad ones,not your pathetic efforts to defend the xbox one,and how you pretend that scores don't matter and that your pathetic opinion mean something to any one other than your self,to try and claim the PS4 doesn't have a better line up of games because in your eyes that is based on taste and the standard that ruled all generations before some how is invalid..

Again i tell you get a damn backbone the worse thing is how you in a pathetic way try to claim your aren't biased and that you are not a lemming..hahahahaa

Is like Hulk Hogan saying he was never a wrestler..

Halo 3 owned Halo 5 sales numbers and Halo 3 release into a smaller userbase,the excuses save them for school boy.

Hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..

Man you most be a shill...lol

http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/29/killzone-shadow-fall-global-sales-top-2-1-million/

2.1 million sold in a 4.2 million user base = 50% attach rate.

Lets just wait for your spin..

one SF > Halo 5 lol..

No one wants to be like you El Tormented...trust me. Beyond that sentence I didn't bother reading. It's pretty pathetic how sad you are. Not even cows think you're sane.

I owe you an apology for not being clear now. But to be fair said "That's absurd reasoning" as you were talking about the industry investors as in ones who put money into funding a game's development. I know the SIE spin off took place. But as I tried to illustrate this is something that is done more in name than in actual financial independence from what the financials and laws I have on quarterly reports and LLC rules show. For example, who do you think gets the benefit of Uncharted 4's sales now? SIE or Sony corp being ND are owned by Sony? Do you think SIE gets royalties on copies sold of a game from a dev owned by Sony? Then they would have to pay taxes on that income twice

Whom would you rather be stuck in a room with, NyaDC, StrongBlackVine, or Tomatoes?

@KingsofQueens: New IPs' that do sell only exists on MS and Nintendo? .... The Last of Us?

Lol now we're discussing attach rates? Whats next? How many cardboards have been sold?

LMAO @ the lemming damage control and denial in this thread. So much butthurt salty tears coming from lems. This must really hurt them, ever since Halo flopped the only thing they used to defend it was that it sold relatively well, now they can't even use sales to defend it lol.

ROFL @ the attach rate spin. Nintendo has the best attach rate for their exclusives and the WiiU is considered an epic failure. Extremely high attach rates indicates lack of games, Xbone has no games.

Epic question. I know one lied about me by editing my post and quoting me out of context; another actually is such a fanboy that he thinks a monopoly would be good and the other is dynamitecop

Ok I'm with you now. But as far as your SIE vs Sony example, Naughty Dog IS owned by SIE and not Sony. SIE runs everything video game related. Sony Corp includes SIE financials yes, but if ND bombed, it would more directly impact SIE.

The root of all of Halo's problems

LMAO wow. Halo was lems last hope and you know it

Are y'all the same lems from 2008 who wouldn't shut up about Halo sales ? lel.

@GoldenElementXL said:

@cainetao11 said:

@GoldenElementXL said:

@cainetao11 said:

LOL I knew about this from my Sony quarterly report.

Now I'm confused...

Me - Playstation would benefit from being spun off.

You - that's absurd.

Reality - Playstation WAS spun off already.

You - LOL I knew about this already. That's old news.

What was wrong with my original comment then if this is reality and you knew it already?

I owe you an apology for not being clear now. I know the SIE spin off took place. But as I tried to illustrate this is something that is done more in name than in actual financial independence from what the financials and laws I have on quarterly reports and LLC rules show. For example, who do you think gets the benefit of Uncharted 4's sales now? SIE or Sony corp being ND are owned by Sony? Do you think SIE gets royalties on copies sold of a game from a dev owned by Sony? Then they would have to pay taxes on that income.

Ok I'm with you now. But as far as your SIE vs Sony example, Naughty Dog IS owned by SIE and not Sony. SIE runs everything video game related. Sony Corp includes SIE financials yes, but if ND bombed, it would more directly impact SIE.

Ok but as far as this whole thing goes its still called a "division"

"Today marks the first day of Sony's new PlayStation-centric division, Sony Interactive Entertainment."http://www.engadget.com/2016/04/01/sony-interactive-entertainment-first-day/

Yep, threads like that. Look at NyaDC owning himself in the thread, dude never fails.

pretty sad that a comparison between that hot turd Halo 5 and UC4 even have to be made. I genuinely feel bad for lems.

No need to. Not like I'll be putting time into the after thought that is Uncharted 4 MP after the Campaign.

Didn't GT3 outsell both Halo 1 and 2?

I don't care these days about what sells more but yes Naughty Dog have had an impressive run and I look forward to their next project.

last hope for what? its a great game and i still enjoy playing it. its still a great series.

This is quite impressive for Uncharted. Impressive stuff for the type of game and genre it is. Uk is like what 5mil consoles combined between ps4 xbox one, and very competitive. Nice few days sales.

PS platforms have always thrived on 3rd Party Support and having a strong relationship with 3rd party publishers/developers. Part of the reasons why PS platforms have thrived, it's because of that variety offered from that 3rd party support. PS Exclusives, most of them, are GARBAGE, which is why most Cowturds (like yourself) who pretend to like PS exclusives and Casually informed gamers (madden, NBA2k, CoD gamers, etc) who flock on the PS systems prefer the strong 3rd party support it has. Not so much the PS exclusives. That is why most PS exclusives barely sell or barely have that longevity, attach rate, save for a few, TLOU, GoW, GT series, etc. Otherwise, most PS games that do very well are from 3rd party dev/publishers and usually multiplatform.

Clearly Nintendo WiiU is failing because of that lack of 3rd party support, poor marketing and poor incoherent vision. Xbox One sales comparison pales against the PS4 clearly because of their debacle E3 2013 reveal. Otherwise, it has strong 3rd party support, the exclusives. PS4 is thriving astronomically, because of hype, cheaper price tag, being touted as being more powerful, and IMPORTANTLY, strong 3rd party support. PS4 exclusives? All you have thats clearly mainstream are Bloodborne and Uncharted. The rest of the exclusives being boasted about, from indie, or anything from PS store, Nobody..... at least the casual informed majority...... don't give a damn about. Especially those niche JRPGs.

Nice try at Laughing real hard just to sound "legitimately smart", but the reality is you were spinning too fast you crashed so hard into a Cow's ass.