Valve haven't been up to standard this gen

In my opinion, of course. They haven't released (or even announced) a project nearly as ambitious as Half Life 2 was when it was first unveiled, and their other releases have lacked polish and AAA quality. Left 4 Dead was very low on content and lacked the production value that we expect from most games nowadays, then there was Left 4 Dead 2 which seemed like a Madden-style update rather than a proper sequel.

Add all that to the fiasco of their apparent inability to comprehend the workings of the PS3 and to me at least, it seems like Valve haven't had the best run this gen.

I agree, I'd also like to stick Bungie and relic in there.

I agree, I'd also like to stick Bungie and relic in there.

Espada12

I agree, I'd also like to stick Bungie and relic in there.

Espada12

Portal speaks for itself Team Fortress 2 and it's updates speak for itself. While the launch had some issues, post launch it has become one of the best multiplayer games on the market. Episode 2 also had some more inspired set pieces than some of the stuff in the main half life 2, and episode 1.

But agreed on L4D1/2 being not upto valve standards. However, is there honestly a better cooperative experience than Left 4 Dead? Because I certainly don't think so. SO if you made the definitive coop experience and it's real issue is that it's lacking in content I'd say Valve is more than living up to their name.

While Valve has been too much of a shooter dev. Portal was a nice change of pace for them, Left 4 Dead(especially 2) is the best coop oriented game on the market, and Half Life 2: Episode 2 was one of the best single player shooter experiences this gen, just short.

I'd say valve is doing just fine.

huh, what?

The Orange Box - 9.5 here, 96 metacritic

Individually in that box you got

Half Life 2 - 9.2 here, 96 metacritic

Half Life 2 Ep 1 - 8.7 here, 87 metacritic

Half Life 2 Ep 2 - Not reviewed here, 90 metacritic

Team Fortress 2 - 8.5 here, 92 metacritic

Portal - 9.0 here, 90 metacritic

And then both L4D games

L4D - 8.5 here, 89 metacritic

L4D2 - 9.0 here, 89 metacritic

TOTALLY lacking in quality imo. I've played hundreds of hours of these bad games over the last few years. I just can't stop. I need help! Why can't I just play good games?!?!?!??! :cry:

Hopefully portal 2 changes that

I agree, I'd also like to stick Bungie and relic in there.

Espada12

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I agree, I'd also like to stick Bungie and relic in there.

jg4xchamp

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I agree, I'd also like to stick Bungie and relic in there.

mo0ksi

I agree, I'd also like to stick Bungie and relic in there.

Espada12

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

I agree, I'd also like to stick Bungie and relic in there.

Ninja-Hippo

huh, what?

The Orange Box - 9.5 here, 96 metacritic

Individually in that box you got

Half Life 2 - 9.2 here, 96 metacritic

Half Life 2 Ep 1 - 8.7 here, 87 metacritic

Half Life 2 Ep 2 - Not reviewed here, 90 metacritic

Team Fortress 2 - 8.5 here, 92 metacritic

Portal - 9.0 here, 90 metacritic

And then both L4D games

L4D - 8.5 here, 89 metacritic

L4D2 - 9.0 here, 89 metacritic

TOTALLY lacking in quality imo. I've played hundreds of hours of these bad games over the last few years. I just can't stop. I need help! Why can't I just play good games?!?!?!??! :cry:

treedoor

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I agree, I'd also like to stick Bungie and relic in there.

HarlockJC

Relic has made a bunch of well-received games.

Adding Bungie almost seems like a joke. All AAA games, and, if not the highest, they still remain in the top 3 most played Xbox Live games.

I don't understand how either dev is in question about their quality.

It looks like they're focusing on more releases than "better" releases.

1998 - half-life

2000 - counter strike (I don't even consider this valve but if I don't include it somebody will complain)

2005 - Half-life 2

2007 - Orange box (ep1&2, TF2, Portal)

2008 - L4D

2009 - L4D2

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I agree, I'd also like to stick Bungie and relic in there.

HarlockJC

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

I agree, I'd also like to stick Bungie and relic in there.

Ninja-Hippo

i would personally say portal was definitely very polished. though i agree, nothing quite as revolutionary as HL2Richymisiak

Portal was a MOD.

[QUOTE="Richymisiak"]i would personally say portal was definitely very polished. though i agree, nothing quite as revolutionary as HL2Persistantthug

Portal was a MOD.

I do somewhat agree with the idea that orange box was just a collection of games. In my opinion the same could not be said for L4D. It was disappointing seeing what they did for L4D2. I do feel though they put their all into 1. HarlockJC

I'm actually glad Microsoft paid Valve to keep that crap off of the PS3. The best money Microsoft ever spent, this gen. for me, imo.

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I agree, I'd also like to stick Bungie and relic in there.

mo0ksi

I'm referring to after COH, they literally made a COH clone of another of their IPs instead of trying to make it like DOW they made it Dawn of heroes. While COH is a triumph and I agree it is, I much preferred HW 2 + the original dow to COH and DOW 2 (I'm just going by generations) DOW 2 was a huge let down for me. But that's my opinion of course so take it with a grain of salt.

I'm not sure why people keep saying all blizzard has done is wow xpacs when they know that SC2's sequel is this year and D3 is next year.

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I agree, I'd also like to stick Bungie and relic in there.

HarlockJC

I don't play halo's MP and I thought L4D was a rip, portal and Tf2 are great, but they didn't blow me away like HL2.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

I agree, I'd also like to stick Bungie and relic in there.

treedoor

Relic has made a bunch of well-received games.

Adding Bungie almost seems like a joke. All AAA games, and, if not the highest, they still remain in the top 3 most played Xbox Live games.

I don't understand how either dev is in question about their quality.

Sorry I don't go by review scores.

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I do somewhat agree with the idea that orange box was just a collection of games. In my opinion the same could not be said for L4D. It was disappointing seeing what they did for L4D2. I do feel though they put their all into 1. Persistantthug

I'm actually glad Microsoft paid Valve to keep that crap off of the PS3. The best money Microsoft ever spent, this gen. for me, imo.

Aw, c'mon man! Saying bad things about Valve is like hating on Beatles. Even if you honestly don't like them, you're still making yourself look stupid.:P

I don't play halo's MP and I thought L4D was a rip, portal and Tf2 are great, but they didn't blow me away like HL2.

Espada12

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I don't play halo's MP and I thought L4D was a rip, portal and Tf2 are great, but they didn't blow me away like HL2.

HarlockJC

I don't pay for live so I don't play halo 3 online, I have TF2 on PC. The SP portions of both ODST and halo 3 could have been much much better.

So you please TF2, but not Halo MP?HarlockJC

What's wrong with it? I like TF2, CS1.6 and Q3A, and I don't like Halo. Is that bad?

Well said. Valve have almost made jokes of themselves when it came to console development. I mean look at TF2 half life 2 etc on the consoles then compare them to the likes of gears, COD, killzone2 uncharted 2. The games are very much last gen. Sure people bang on about TF2; i for one cant stand the game, it just seems like a poor mans fps... wont expect a great reception for that :P.

I just think they have steam making them a very tidy money pile in the corner so why not just milk the money.

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I don't play halo's MP and I thought L4D was a rip, portal and Tf2 are great, but they didn't blow me away like HL2.

Espada12

I don't pay for live so I don't play halo 3 online, I have TF2 on PC. The MP portions of both ODST and halo 3 could have been much much better.

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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"] So you please TF2, but not Halo MP? Well it would be no wonder your not a fan of bungie though if you don't play MP games as much. If you study Bungie history from having the first dedicated servers of any MP games to having the first every dedicated MP maps for a FPS. Bungie main target from the start has always been good MP coupled with a good storyline for their games. Something which I think is very evident in Halo 3 and ODST.

SparkyProtocol

I don't pay for live so I don't play halo 3 online, I have TF2 on PC. The MP portions of both ODST and halo 3 could have been much much better.

I meant to actually say SP.

Not in graphics department but they created the best coop experience i have ever had.

I agree, I'd also like to stick Bungie and relic in there.

Espada12

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I do somewhat agree with the idea that orange box was just a collection of games. In my opinion the same could not be said for L4D. It was disappointing seeing what they did for L4D2. I do feel though they put their all into 1. HarlockJC

I'm actually glad Microsoft paid Valve to keep that crap off of the PS3. The best money Microsoft ever spent, this gen. for me, imo.

Yeah they did.

Microsoft paid/incentivised Valve to get L4D as a "console exclusive".

That is why Portal 2 is going to be on PS3....because Portal is part of the HALF LIFE universe and Valve doesn't want to alienate Half Life, its biggest and most important franchise.

Very obvious that Microsoft Paid Valve. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but seeing the obvious is obvious.

Aw, c'mon man! Saying bad things about Valve is like hating on Beatles. Even if you honestly don't like them, you're still making yourself look stupid.:P

Orchid87

Gotta agree with the Hippo here, I'm still hoping they've been keeping the best kept secret in the industry, some new major imba game, but I'm really starting to doubt it, it's like they're living off Steam and Mods.

Portal was drop dead superb. That is all.

I really like Portal and L4D, but I guess it is kinda true that they haven't released anything that was as epic as Half-Life 2. But then again, it took them 7 years to make that game. :P

Yeah they did.

Microsoft paid/incentivised Valve to get L4D as a "console exclusive".

That is why Portal 2 is going to be on PS3....because Portal is part of the HALF LIFE universe and Valve doesn't want to alienate Half Life, its biggest and most important franchise.

Very obvious that Microsoft Paid Valve. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but seeing the obvious is obvious.

Persistantthug

*cough* PORTAL 2 HELLO!!! *cough*AlphaJC

Except that isn't quite out yet, is it?

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]So you please TF2, but not Halo MP?Orchid87

What's wrong with it? I like TF2, CS1.6 and Q3A, and I don't like Halo. Is that bad?

I don't pay for live so I don't play halo 3 online, I have TF2 on PC. The SP portions of both ODST and halo 3 could have been much much better.

Espada12