Valve haven't been up to standard this gen

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I don't play halo's MP and I thought L4D was a rip, portal and Tf2 are great, but they didn't blow me away like HL2.

Midnightshade29

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[QUOTE="millerlight89"] WTH does it matter if they are FPS games. They are great game no matter what. Valve is not really that great at concole gaming yet so I would understnd if you do not get it. Though on the PC they are easily one of the best. By the way polish does not equal epicness. It is how the game plays, the amount of bugs, the controls etc.... Not if a game is epic.DarkLink77

The Key word here is: ONE TRICK PONY.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Persistantthug"]

The Key word here is: ONE TRICK PONY.

jg4xchamp

Portal is a Mod.

Portal is a First person perspective type game, just like all the rest of their games.

Valve is a ONE TRICK PONY

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Most developers only make one time of game, anyway. So what?Persistantthug

Portal is a Mod.

Portal is a First person perspective type game, just like all the rest of their games.

Valve is a ONE TRICK PONY

I think they were very closed minded when it came to PS3. They didnt want to dev for something that was different than a PC archetecture, so they said screw it. Nothing wrong with it I guess, but I dont think they can ignore the PS3s large install base anymore.

In my opinion, of course. They haven't released (or even announced) a project nearly as ambitious as Half Life 2 was when it was first unveiled, and their other releases have lacked polish and AAA quality. Left 4 Dead was very low on content and lacked the production value that we expect from most games nowadays, then there was Left 4 Dead 2 which seemed like a Madden-style update rather than a proper sequel.

Add all that to the fiasco of their apparent inability to comprehend the workings of the PS3 and to me at least, it seems like Valve haven't had the best run this gen.

Ninja-Hippo

Half-Life is considered by many to be the best SP FPS series.

TF2 is considered by many to be the best MP FPS game.

Portal and Left 4 Dead games are just pure fun.

I guess the vocal minority that is bitter about Valve getting praise and winning popularity contests is irrelevant and shouldn't be cared of.

I thought Portal was amazing, and I played it on PS3. That being said, I haven't played anything else by Valve that wowed me. I think they are over-rated as a dev. Their popularity and reputation likely comes from the PC community and the things Valve has done non-game-development wise.

Valve:

Left 4 Dead (Original IP)
Left 4 Dead 2
Portal (Original IP)
Team Fotress 2
HL2 Episode 2

Infinity Ward:
COD2
COD4
CODMW2

Bungie:

Halo 3
Halo ODST

etc.

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Now find me a shooter as smilar to L4D is and then I will call it a day.

Go on a multiplayer shooter with an dynamic narrative, focused on the players decision making against a governing reactive global a.i.

Please do.

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While Valve hasn't released a blockbuster Half Life game this generation, rather the predictable uninspiring (good quality yes) HL2 episodes; TF2, Portal and Left 4 Dead are some of the defining games of this generation for a multitude of reasons.

I just wish they'd stop making crappy zombie games and focus on HL2Episode 3.

on a multiplayer shooter with an dynamic narrative, focused on the players decision making against a governing reactive global a.i.

skrat_01

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]on a multiplayer shooter with an dynamic narrative, focused on the players decision making against a governing reactive global a.i.

Ninja-Hippo

Pretty much.

Unless you consider "Grabbin Pills!" as dynamic narrative.

huh, what?

The Orange Box - 9.5 here, 96 metacritic

Individually in that box you got

Half Life 2 - 9.2 here, 96 metacritic

Half Life 2 Ep 1 - 8.7 here, 87 metacritic

Half Life 2 Ep 2 - Not reviewed here, 90 metacritic

Team Fortress 2 - 8.5 here, 92 metacritic

Portal - 9.0 here, 90 metacritic

And then both L4D games

L4D - 8.5 here, 89 metacritic

L4D2 - 9.0 here, 89 metacritic

TOTALLY lacking in quality imo. I've played hundreds of hours of these bad games over the last few years. I just can't stop. I need help! Why can't I just play good games?!?!?!??! :cry:

treedoor

SOMEONE AGREES!!!! they still make good games of course though. I wish TF2 was the ambitious sequel it was going to be 8 years ago =/

Tired of their outdated Source engine they use for evry game. Upgrade your engine and annonce HL3 already, VALVE!silversix_

oh yeah i just looooooove the unreal engine lol

I disagree. Portal and Team Fortress 2 are some of the best games this gen, Left 4 Dead 2 (which reminds me I should go back to that game to try out the Passing) and Half Life: Ep2 are still good, and Portal 2 is probably going to be awesome. I think Valve is one of the best developers this gen IMO.

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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]on a multiplayer shooter with an dynamic narrative, focused on the players decision making against a governing reactive global a.i.

SpinoRaptor24

Pretty much.

Unless you consider "Grabbin Pills!" as dynamic narrative.

still one of the best games I've played.

Team Fortress 2 has kept me more than happy. It's one of those games that is going to be around for a long time.

I'm fine with Valve.

Tired of their outdated Source engine they use for evry game. Upgrade your engine and annonce HL3 already, VALVE!silversix_

source is old and not quite up to par with newer ones, but how many other engines from 2003 can still look decent by today's standards.

source is old and not quite up to par with newer ones, but how many other engines from 2003 can still look decent by today's standards.

ferret-gamer

TF2 is still one of the best-looking games this gen. And character models and animations in Valve games are among the best. I agree on the fact that levels in both L4D games look a bit flat and undetailed though, even compared to HL2EP2.

Bungie needs to make another Stubbs the Zombie, or at least a new IP. Valve has been pretty good so far this gen imo, though i dont personally like L4D. Hopefully Portal 2 will be amazing and Half Life 2 Episode 3 will be out soon :(

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source is old and not quite up to par with newer ones, but how many other engines from 2003 can still look decent by today's standards.

Orchid87

TF2 is still one of the best-looking games this gen. And character models and animations in Valve games are among the best. I agree on the fact that levels in both L4D games look a bit flat and undetailed though, even compared to HL2EP2.

HL2EP2 looks great for the 2007 game.

What on earth are you on about????

Team Fortress2 is the best online FPS ever.
Thats right, not only the best online FPS this gen but arguably ever.

Valve is just as good as they have ever been.

TF2 and Portal = awesome

TF2 on pc = gaming perfection for online team work

Also Left4Dead1/2 are very fun with friends. While not the best valve games.. they are still extremely enjoyable in coop and versus.

Team Fortress2 is the best online FPS ever.
Thats right, not only the best online FPS this gen but arguably ever.

kozzy1234

I wouldn't say "ever", because that's quite a fanboyish, but TF2 is surely among the best (Q3A, UT99, TFC, CS1.6 are the others).

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Team Fortress2 is the best online FPS ever.
Thats right, not only the best online FPS this gen but arguably ever.

Orchid87

I wouldn't say "ever", because that's quite a fanboyish, but TF2 is surely among the best (Q3A, UT99, TFC, CS1.6 are the others).

Thats why i put ARGUABLY

What on earth are you on about????

Team Fortress2 is the best online FPS ever.
Thats right, not only the best online FPS this gen but arguably ever.

Valve is just as good as they have ever been.

TF2 and Portal = awesome

TF2 on pc = gaming perfection for online team work

Also Left4Dead1/2 are very fun with friends. While not the best valve games.. they are still extremely enjoyable in coop and versus.

kozzy1234

Especially on the TF2 beign the best Online FPS this gen.& ever

Valve is doing just fine. All of their recent games have been good despitesome finding L4Dlackluster. They're mainly a PC dev and Half-Life is their staple IP so I wouldn't really discuss them in terms of "generations" anyway. Chances are they're working on a new engine right now. God knows when we'll see HL3 butconsidering Valve's track record, and that they're rackin in the dough with Steam, it could be a few more years.

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I agree, I'd also like to stick Bungie and relic in there.

jg4xchamp

Exactly but when your on top its hard to keep going

I mean Killzone 2 devs went from being abysmal to great this gen while bungie went bad to Amazing last gen and they can come back with Reach (trust me it looks like the definitive FPS)

I never really was a fan of Valve so I cannot comment but if they so bad how are their servers packed while KZ2 is a ghosttown

Well they've set the bar pretty damn high. They're probably going insane trying to make Episode 3 able to meet expectations.

Valve has delivered the best multiplayer and co-op experiences this gen in Team Fortress 2 and the Left 4 Dead series, and excellent single-player experiences in Portal and Half-Life 2. If that's not "up to standard", I'd sure as hell like to see what is up to standard.

And lol @ comparing L4D2 to a Madden update. The sequel completely blows the original out of the water. To say the changes from L4D1 to L4D2 are anything but significant just says you haven't played it.

Slashkice

Except it doesn't.

First thing's first: I don't consider Portal and Left 4 Dead to be true Valve games. Just look at what Turtle Rock Studios did when they rechristened themselves as an independent studio again: they took the original L4D with them. Likewise, Portal is a game that was assimilated by Valve while DigiPen students were working on their own game concepts. It's like if Blizzard bought the team members of Bungie and coincidentally released a FPS similar to Halo Reach. You're not about to say it's Blizzard's own, are you?

That being said, Valve has done some excellent releases themselves. Episode Two was pretty damn good, even when HL2was getting a bit long in the tooth. Team Fortress 2 is a fantastic sequel to the original. Left 4 Dead 2 (not created by Turtle Rock Studios) is even better than the original.

On that note, why everyone thinks the Left 4 Dead series is not on par with other releases by Valve is beyond me. I actually think Left 4 Dead 2 is one of the best multiplayer games ever made. This is how games should be, not some wannabe artistic games-as-art crap.

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Except it doesn't.

Slashkice

Better gameplay modes, better difficulty, better weapons, more weapons, more infected, more maps, better items, more items...it's clearly the better game by a large margin. Characters and maps are subjective (personally I'd say it's a toss-up for characters, with L4D2 having better maps).

Agreed. Leftwas fantastic in4 Dead its own right, but after playing Left 4 Dead 2 it feels like a pre-release beta or something.

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"]

Except it doesn't.

Slashkice

Better gameplay modes, better difficulty, better weapons, more weapons, more infected, more maps, better items, more items...it's clearly the better game by a large margin. Characters and maps are subjective (personally I'd say it's a toss-up for characters, with L4D2 having better maps).

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I agree, I'd also like to stick Bungie and relic in there.

Banjo_Kongfooie

Exactly but when your on top its hard to keep going

I mean Killzone 2 devs went from being abysmal to great this gen while bungie went bad to Amazing last gen and they can come back with Reach (trust me it looks like the definitive FPS)

I never really was a fan of Valve so I cannot comment but if they so bad how are their servers packed while KZ2 is a ghosttown

I wonder if them making the games for the 360 has anything to do with it...My guess would be 100% yes

Orchid, ever heard of a spoiler?rcignoni

Every time I try it, I get "HTML not formed" error.:P I've tried use it numerous times before.