Valve: PC is centre of innovation

Lol,hermit the frog.

these developers must love having millions of copies of their games being pirated.

thanks for the article hermit the frog.

FatCatPatRat

Same must go for consoles too since some of their games are pirated in the millions.

And they also have the used game market that hurts developers.

too bad valve has turned into a crappy company.

Where the hell is half life 3 and a new engine?

these developers must love having millions of copies of their games being pirated.

thanks for the article hermit the frog.

Haven't seen too much innovation in PC lately TBH...

these developers must love having millions of copies of their games being pirated.

FatCatPatRat

Yeah I feel sorry for developers cause millions of copies of their games on the Wii, 360, DS, and PSP get pirated...

Meanwhile in PS3-Land they just got word about t3h p!racy. /insert SC2 and BC2 sales here to show PC gaming is alive and kicking ass.

[QUOTE="FatCatPatRat"]

these developers must love having millions of copies of their games being pirated.

thanks for the article hermit the frog.

lordreaven

piracy is more prevalent on the PC. you know this. i know this.

even the almight Crytek knows this

We already know this, valve doesn't need to say it, though what I thought was more interesting was the zeno clash devs saying PC gamers were more likely to try obscure and weird games. Says alot about why the current trend in console gaming is basically to play it safe.

Haven't seen too much innovation in PC lately TBH...

GreenGoblin2099

[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="FatCatPatRat"]

these developers must love having millions of copies of their games being pirated.

thanks for the article hermit the frog.

FatCatPatRat

piracy is more prevalent on the PC. you know this. i know this.

even the almight Crytek knows this

EDIT: And nice link, just a reminder EA takes most of the money when they publish a game, so They made money, but not the devs. Crytek is full of it in that article.

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

Haven't seen too much innovation in PC lately TBH...

Fusiondonut

And all that came out THIS gen?? learn to read.

[QUOTE="Fusiondonut"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

Haven't seen too much innovation in PC lately TBH...

GreenGoblin2099

And all that came out THIS gen?? learn to read.

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

[QUOTE="Fusiondonut"] the city builders the simulations the strategic games educational games tower defense match three artificial life simulators games that let hundreds or thousands people play at once games where online worlds persist and change even when you're not playing brought games allowing players to create their own levels and worlds lets you choose your own price for bundles of game Where online gaming did arise voice communications expansion packs professional gaming and televised tournaments You really have never played on PC did you?Fusiondonut

And all that came out THIS gen?? learn to read.

So I'm right, haven't seen any innovation in PC lately... neither have you.

[QUOTE="Fusiondonut"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

And all that came out THIS gen?? learn to read.

GreenGoblin2099

So I'm right, haven't seen any innovation in PC lately... neither have you.

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

[QUOTE="Fusiondonut"] No not all but these things combined made this gen possible. So be thankfull for that or else you'd still be playin NES games.Arach666

So I'm right, haven't seen any innovation in PC lately... neither have you.

BUT I never said that, so... I'm still right

;)

[QUOTE="FatCatPatRat"]

[QUOTE="lordreaven"] I know, its so horrible, itrs not like the PS3 where nothing can be pirated or hacked............oh wait.lordreaven

piracy is more prevalent on the PC. you know this. i know this.

even the almight Crytek knows this

EDIT: And nice link, just a reminder EA takes most of the money when they publish a game, so They made money, but not the devs. Crytek is full of it in that article.

i dont need numbers. We all know piracy is bigger on the PC and we all know its so much easier to pirate on the PC. When I was in high school all the kids were playing Halo CE in the computer lab with cracked illegal copies.

But if you do want numbers, it was not but two weeks ago when IGN posted this article

PC Game Downloads in 2010
1. Call of Duty: Black Ops (4,270,000) (Nov. 2010)
2. Battlefield: Bad Company 2 (3,960,000) (Mar. 2010)
3. Mafia 2 (3,550,000) (Aug. 2010)
4. Mass Effect 2 (3,240,000) (Jan. 2010)
5. Starcraft II (3,120,000) (Jul. 2010)

Wii Game Downloads in 2010
1. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (1,470,000) (May. 2010)
2. Wii Party (1,220,000) (Oct. 2010)
3. Donkey Kong Country Returns (920,000) (Nov. 2010)
4. Kirbys Epic Yarn (880,000) (Oct. 2010)
5. Red Steel 2 (850,000) (Mar. 2010)

Xbox 360 Game Downloads in 2010
1. Dante's Inferno (1,280,000) (Feb. 2010)
2. Alan Wake (1,140,000) (May. 2010)
3. Red Dead Redemption (1.060,000) (May. 2010)
4. Halo Reach (990,000) (Sept. 2010)
5. Call of Duty: Black Ops (930,000) (Nov. 2010)

I'm no mathematician, but I know when a platform has higher numbers of piracy 8)

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

So I'm right, haven't seen any innovation in PC lately... neither have you.

GreenGoblin2099

BUT I never said that, so... I'm still right

;)

[QUOTE="lordreaven"]

[QUOTE="FatCatPatRat"]

piracy is more prevalent on the PC. you know this. i know this.

even the almight Crytek knows this

FatCatPatRat

EDIT: And nice link, just a reminder EA takes most of the money when they publish a game, so They made money, but not the devs. Crytek is full of it in that article.

i dont need numbers. We all know piracy is bigger on the PC and we all know its so much easier to pirate on the PC. When I was in high school all the kids were playing Halo CE in the computer lab with cracked illegal copies.

But if you do want numbers, it was not but two weeks ago when IGN posted this article

PC Game Downloads in 2010
1. Call of Duty: Black Ops (4,270,000) (Nov. 2010)
2. Battlefield: Bad Company 2 (3,960,000) (Mar. 2010)
3. Mafia 2 (3,550,000) (Aug. 2010)
4. Mass Effect 2 (3,240,000) (Jan. 2010)
5. Starcraft II (3,120,000) (Jul. 2010)

Wii Game Downloads in 2010
1. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (1,470,000) (May. 2010)
2. Wii Party (1,220,000) (Oct. 2010)
3. Donkey Kong Country Returns (920,000) (Nov. 2010)
4. Kirbys Epic Yarn (880,000) (Oct. 2010)
5. Red Steel 2 (850,000) (Mar. 2010)

Xbox 360 Game Downloads in 2010
1. Dante's Inferno (1,280,000) (Feb. 2010)
2. Alan Wake (1,140,000) (May. 2010)
3. Red Dead Redemption (1.060,000) (May. 2010)
4. Halo Reach (990,000) (Sept. 2010)
5. Call of Duty: Black Ops (930,000) (Nov. 2010)

I'm no mathematician, but I know when a platform has higher numbers of piracy 8)

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"] Well,we haven´t seen much in the consoles as well to be honest.

Arach666

BUT I never said that, so... I'm still right

;)

Like I said yesterday... just let your PC tools do the thinking for you, it's better that way

:P

[QUOTE="Fusiondonut"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

And all that came out THIS gen?? learn to read.

GreenGoblin2099

So I'm right, haven't seen any innovation in PC lately... neither have you.

[QUOTE="lordreaven"]

[QUOTE="FatCatPatRat"]

piracy is more prevalent on the PC. you know this. i know this.

even the almight Crytek knows this

FatCatPatRat

EDIT: And nice link, just a reminder EA takes most of the money when they publish a game, so They made money, but not the devs. Crytek is full of it in that article.

i dont need numbers. We all know piracy is bigger on the PC and we all know its so much easier to pirate on the PC. When I was in high school all the kids were playing Halo CE in the computer lab with cracked illegal copies.

But if you do want numbers, it was not but two weeks ago when IGN posted this article

PC Game Downloads in 2010
1. Call of Duty: Black Ops (4,270,000) (Nov. 2010)
2. Battlefield: Bad Company 2 (3,960,000) (Mar. 2010)
3. Mafia 2 (3,550,000) (Aug. 2010)
4. Mass Effect 2 (3,240,000) (Jan. 2010)
5. Starcraft II (3,120,000) (Jul. 2010)

Wii Game Downloads in 2010
1. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (1,470,000) (May. 2010)
2. Wii Party (1,220,000) (Oct. 2010)
3. Donkey Kong Country Returns (920,000) (Nov. 2010)
4. Kirbys Epic Yarn (880,000) (Oct. 2010)
5. Red Steel 2 (850,000) (Mar. 2010)

Xbox 360 Game Downloads in 2010
1. Dante's Inferno (1,280,000) (Feb. 2010)
2. Alan Wake (1,140,000) (May. 2010)
3. Red Dead Redemption (1.060,000) (May. 2010)
4. Halo Reach (990,000) (Sept. 2010)
5. Call of Duty: Black Ops (930,000) (Nov. 2010)

I'm no mathematician, but I know when a platform has higher numbers of piracy 8)

[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

BUT I never said that, so... I'm still right

;)

GreenGoblin2099

Like I said yesterday... just let your PC tools do the thinking for you, it's better that way

:P

[spoiler] :P [/spoiler]

You should also read my response to that post you made yesterday. :D

[QUOTE="FatCatPatRat"]

[QUOTE="lordreaven"] Oh, you have the numbers to prove this right? Since console Piracy is untrackable (why DL a game when I go to a mall in Toronto and buy 10 360 games for $5 and mod a console for another $30?). your points are invalid as Piracy isn't that rampent. If it where GOG, Gamers Gate, and Steam would be on their death beds.

EDIT: And nice link, just a reminder EA takes most of the money when they publish a game, so They made money, but not the devs. Crytek is full of it in that article.

lordreaven

i dont need numbers. We all know piracy is bigger on the PC and we all know its so much easier to pirate on the PC. When I was in high school all the kids were playing Halo CE in the computer lab with cracked illegal copies.

But if you do want numbers, it was not but two weeks ago when IGN posted this article

PC Game Downloads in 2010
1. Call of Duty: Black Ops (4,270,000) (Nov. 2010)
2. Battlefield: Bad Company 2 (3,960,000) (Mar. 2010)
3. Mafia 2 (3,550,000) (Aug. 2010)
4. Mass Effect 2 (3,240,000) (Jan. 2010)
5. Starcraft II (3,120,000) (Jul. 2010)

Wii Game Downloads in 2010
1. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (1,470,000) (May. 2010)
2. Wii Party (1,220,000) (Oct. 2010)
3. Donkey Kong Country Returns (920,000) (Nov. 2010)
4. Kirbys Epic Yarn (880,000) (Oct. 2010)
5. Red Steel 2 (850,000) (Mar. 2010)

Xbox 360 Game Downloads in 2010
1. Dante's Inferno (1,280,000) (Feb. 2010)
2. Alan Wake (1,140,000) (May. 2010)
3. Red Dead Redemption (1.060,000) (May. 2010)
4. Halo Reach (990,000) (Sept. 2010)
5. Call of Duty: Black Ops (930,000) (Nov. 2010)

I'm no mathematician, but I know when a platform has higher numbers of piracy 8)

How does 'just trying the game out' justify piracy? Do hermits really think they have a god given right to be able to play every game ever made for free?

Get over yourselves. Seriously.

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"] Well,I just thought you were implying it. :)Arach666

Like I said yesterday... just let your PC tools do the thinking for you, it's better that way

:P

:P

You should also read my response to that post you made yesterday. :D

Yeah I read it... seriously thinking on not playing Gonorrea on Wheels anymore after that, you know??

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

Like I said yesterday... just let your PC tools do the thinking for you, it's better that way

:P

GreenGoblin2099

:P

You should also read my response to that post you made yesterday. :D

Yeah I read it... seriously thinking on not playing Gonorrea on Wheels anymore after that, you know??

[QUOTE="lordreaven"]

[QUOTE="FatCatPatRat"]

i dont need numbers. We all know piracy is bigger on the PC and we all know its so much easier to pirate on the PC. When I was in high school all the kids were playing Halo CE in the computer lab with cracked illegal copies.

But if you do want numbers, it was not but two weeks ago when IGN posted this article

PC Game Downloads in 2010
1. Call of Duty: Black Ops (4,270,000) (Nov. 2010)
2. Battlefield: Bad Company 2 (3,960,000) (Mar. 2010)
3. Mafia 2 (3,550,000) (Aug. 2010)
4. Mass Effect 2 (3,240,000) (Jan. 2010)
5. Starcraft II (3,120,000) (Jul. 2010)

Wii Game Downloads in 2010
1. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (1,470,000) (May. 2010)
2. Wii Party (1,220,000) (Oct. 2010)
3. Donkey Kong Country Returns (920,000) (Nov. 2010)
4. Kirbys Epic Yarn (880,000) (Oct. 2010)
5. Red Steel 2 (850,000) (Mar. 2010)

Xbox 360 Game Downloads in 2010
1. Dante's Inferno (1,280,000) (Feb. 2010)
2. Alan Wake (1,140,000) (May. 2010)
3. Red Dead Redemption (1.060,000) (May. 2010)
4. Halo Reach (990,000) (Sept. 2010)
5. Call of Duty: Black Ops (930,000) (Nov. 2010)

I'm no mathematician, but I know when a platform has higher numbers of piracy 8)

FatCatPatRat

How does 'just trying the game out' justify piracy? Do hermits really think they have a god given right to be able to play every game ever made for free?

Get over yourselves. Seriously.

these developers must love having millions of copies of their games being pirated.

thanks for the article hermit the frog.

[QUOTE="FatCatPatRat"]

[QUOTE="lordreaven"] See the problem with these Numbers is that most console Pirates buy burnt copies form retailers (see Pacific Mall in T.O.). Most Pirates on console don't know/have time to burn copies and what not, but those who can make a killing by offering this service. And then you have some PC pirates who torent a game just to try it out (If teh game lacks a demo, or torrent a game because the Pirate version is more stable).

Fusiondonut

How does 'just trying the game out' justify piracy? Do hermits really think they have a god given right to be able to play every game ever made for free?

Get over yourselves. Seriously.

yes, i loving chucking a 'lol' at the end to make my post not seem filled with rage, don't you?

i can tell you're mad. mad that the almighty PC has higher levels of piracy. mad that because of this piracy PC developers aregradually jumpingto consoles.

[QUOTE="Fusiondonut"][QUOTE="FatCatPatRat"]

How does 'just trying the game out' justify piracy? Do hermits really think they have a god given right to be able to play every game ever made for free?

Get over yourselves. Seriously.

FatCatPatRat

yes, i loving chucking a 'lol' at the end to make my post not seem filled with rage, don't you?

i can tell you're mad. mad that the almighty PC has higher levels of piracy. mad that because of this piracy PC developers aregradually jumpingto consoles.

Developers are going multiplatform, not jumping to consoles. It goes both ways. PC still has the highest developer support, the most games and is also an oasis for indie developers. The landscape of PC gaming might be changing, but that's mostly due to digital distribution than anything else. Piracy also shouldn't be treated as lost sales. If a game is selling great, why bring up piracy? To reminisce about what could have been? Nothing can stop piracy, the developer just has to appeal to the consumers and it seems to be working considering the positive numbers and developer support. 2011 also is looking like a fantastic year for PC gaming, is that due to piracy as well?

OK this is my last topic for this week im creating, trolling a but to much I admit. Nut just read this article form today on Eurogamer.net and could not let it pass. The King has Spoken Also, inb4 sh*tstorm. The PC platform is a "centre of innovation" and key to the future of gaming according to Valve boss Gabe Newell. Speaking to Develop, Newell explained, "We see [the PC] as the centre of innovation of everything that's going on, whether it's microtransactions, MMOs, free-to-play, or something like CityVille which after its first month has 84 million people playing. "To us, this is just an indication of why open platforms are where innovations are going to occur." Even thought the traditionally PC-focussed studio behind the likes of Half Life, Portal and Left 4 Dead has now embraced console development too, Newell insisted that he was "tremendously excited about the future of PC gaming." Despite many commenters' claims that PC gaming has seen better days, a number of high profile developers have joined Newell in sticking up for the platform in recent months. Back in October, Blizzard's Rob Pardo said, "I always laugh because as long as I've been in the games industry, every year I'm asked 'is PC gaming dead?' But it keeps on growing despite the fact it's been pronounced dead 20 times." And in September, id Software boss Tim Willits told Eurogamer, "In my opinion the PC will always be the core of the gaming industry - it is the timeless stable platform that as developers we will always be able to rely on. "Unlike consoles, the PC doesn't disappear because one company decided it wasn't profitable or decided to make a new version. The PC platform is always evolving but staying stable." Next up from Valve is Portal 2, due out on PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 on 21st April. Source: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-01-06-valve-pc-is-centre-of-innovationFusiondonut

I would like to ask Mr. Newell how he sleeps at night when poor Microsoft isn't getting paid any royalties for the software sold on Steam.

Your "PC" platform isn't bound by any rules and regulations for increasing Microsoft's revenue pools, and I think this is the most serious drawback. Mr. Newell really needs to think about Microsoft's profit margins before he goes off on any more silly tangents.

The whole thread turns into PC piracy just because a troll got bum hurt?

Haven't seen too much innovation in PC lately TBH...

GreenGoblin2099

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

Haven't seen too much innovation in PC lately TBH...

Brownesque

Seriously you guys... is "lately" so hard to understand??

[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="FatCatPatRat"]

these developers must love having millions of copies of their games being pirated.

thanks for the article hermit the frog.

FatCatPatRat

piracy is more prevalent on the PC. you know this. i know this.

even the almight Crytek knows this

[QUOTE="FatCatPatRat"]

[QUOTE="lordreaven"] I know, its so horrible, itrs not like the PS3 where nothing can be pirated or hacked............oh wait.codezer0

piracy is more prevalent on the PC. you know this. i know this.

even the almight Crytek knows this

[QUOTE="FatCatPatRat"]

[QUOTE="Fusiondonut"] Yeah but who cares? If I like a game I buy it, don't care about the pirates, it's their life. I contribute my own share to the developer to make great games. And a lot of people do that on PC. Wich makes sequels possible like Stalker 2, Witcher 2, Diablo 3, GW2, Crysis 2 so I do not understand what point you are trying to make. And also the best FPS developer in the world just said PC is centre of Innovation so noone cares about your **** opinion lol.Fusiondonut

yes, i loving chucking a 'lol' at the end to make my post not seem filled with rage, don't you?

i can tell you're mad. mad that the almighty PC has higher levels of piracy. mad that because of this piracy PC developers aregradually jumpingto consoles.

well actually, i dont restrict myself to console gaming or PC gaming, so i actually get EVERYTHING.

everything.

[QUOTE="Fusiondonut"][QUOTE="FatCatPatRat"]

yes, i loving chucking a 'lol' at the end to make my post not seem filled with rage, don't you?

i can tell you're mad. mad that the almighty PC has higher levels of piracy. mad that because of this piracy PC developers aregradually jumpingto consoles.

FatCatPatRat

well actually, i dont restrict myself to console gaming or PC gaming, so i actually get EVERYTHING.

everything.

I'm no mathematician, but I know when a platform has higher numbers of piracy 8)

FatCatPatRat

[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

Haven't seen too much innovation in PC lately TBH...

GreenGoblin2099

Seriously you guys... is "lately" so hard to understand??

It's funny...the most innovative thing Valve has done this generation was Portal - and even that was mostly conceptualized by a group of college students that Valve bought out. If Valve wants to talk as an authority on innovation, why don't they actually do something innovative?jalexbrown

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]It's funny...the most innovative thing Valve has done this generation was Portal - and even that was mostly conceptualized by a group of college students that Valve bought out. If Valve wants to talk as an authority on innovation, why don't they actually do something innovative?DudeNtheRoom