Valve: PC is centre of innovation

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dontshackzmii

Yea totally. People were playing 3d games on accelerated graphic cards, with the first internet infrastructure they were able to form clans, communities and tournaments. You still were playing 2d Mario at the same time :D

Since the PC is used to create all games, so i guess that was pretty obvious.

I agree, it gives you more freedom. Indie is the new gaming revolution.

[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="FatCatPatRat"]

these developers must love having millions of copies of their games being pirated.

thanks for the article hermit the frog.

FatCatPatRat

piracy is more prevalent on the PC. you know this. i know this.

even the almight Crytek knows this

Valve said something good about PC? Oh, man. Big news, right here.

too bad valve has turned into a crappy company.

Where the hell is half life 3 and a new engine?

goodtobeback

This is an article about innovation. It would be contradictory to then talk about the 1 billionth FPS to come out.

PC players are mostly full of elitist douches. Why would I possibly want to be apart of that community.Evolution-X0

And you know this because you're a PC gamer, right?

[QUOTE="Evolution-X0"]PC players are mostly full of elitist douches. Why would I possibly want to be apart of that community.coreybg

And you know this because you're a PC gamer, right?

[QUOTE="Evolution-X0"]PC players are mostly full of elitist douches. Why would I possibly want to be apart of that community.coreybg

And you know this because you're a PC gamer, right?

[QUOTE="lordreaven"]

[QUOTE="FatCatPatRat"]

piracy is more prevalent on the PC. you know this. i know this.

even the almight Crytek knows this

FatCatPatRat

EDIT: And nice link, just a reminder EA takes most of the money when they publish a game, so They made money, but not the devs. Crytek is full of it in that article.

i dont need numbers. We all know piracy is bigger on the PC and we all know its so much easier to pirate on the PC. When I was in high school all the kids were playing Halo CE in the computer lab with cracked illegal copies.

But if you do want numbers, it was not but two weeks ago when IGN posted this article

PC Game Downloads in 2010
1. Call of Duty: Black Ops (4,270,000) (Nov. 2010)
2. Battlefield: Bad Company 2 (3,960,000) (Mar. 2010)
3. Mafia 2 (3,550,000) (Aug. 2010)
4. Mass Effect 2 (3,240,000) (Jan. 2010)
5. Starcraft II (3,120,000) (Jul. 2010)

Wii Game Downloads in 2010
1. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (1,470,000) (May. 2010)
2. Wii Party (1,220,000) (Oct. 2010)
3. Donkey Kong Country Returns (920,000) (Nov. 2010)
4. Kirbys Epic Yarn (880,000) (Oct. 2010)
5. Red Steel 2 (850,000) (Mar. 2010)

Xbox 360 Game Downloads in 2010
1. Dante's Inferno (1,280,000) (Feb. 2010)
2. Alan Wake (1,140,000) (May. 2010)
3. Red Dead Redemption (1.060,000) (May. 2010)
4. Halo Reach (990,000) (Sept. 2010)
5. Call of Duty: Black Ops (930,000) (Nov. 2010)

I'm no mathematician, but I know when a platform has higher numbers of piracy 8)

Those are just downloads, In the real world people who play pirated console games buy their games from a bloke down the street for £4 a copy.

That one bloke downloads a game and redistributes it to every kid on his street for their pocket money. On the next street theres another bloke doing the same. PC gamers dont go to a bloke down the street because they dont NEED a disc to play the game, they can just download it themselves.

Oh and then theres used games, none of the money from used game sales goes to the developers, not a single penny. PC's dont have used games anymore because pretty much everything is done through digital distribution and games can be sold for much cheaper when theres no royalty fees and when you cut out the middle man.

PC players are mostly full of elitist douches. Why would I possibly want to be apart of that community.Evolution-X0

[QUOTE="Fusiondonut"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

And all that came out THIS gen?? learn to read.

GreenGoblin2099

So I'm right, haven't seen any innovation in PC lately... neither have you.

[QUOTE="coreybg"]

[QUOTE="Evolution-X0"]PC players are mostly full of elitist douches. Why would I possibly want to be apart of that community.Evolution-X0

And you know this because you're a PC gamer, right?

"hermit the frog" was the best part of this thread.Zero5000X

PC players are mostly full of elitist douches. Why would I possibly want to be apart of that community.Evolution-X0

Valve always knows how to put a smile on my face :)

Why wasnt Portal 2 PC exclusive? tell us that Gabe, Blizzard still make PC exclusives...

Valve said something good about PC? Oh, man. Big news, right here.

DarkLink77

PC players are mostly full of elitist douches. Why would I possibly want to be apart of that community.Evolution-X0

Why wasnt Portal 2 PC exclusive? tell us that Gabe, Blizzard still make PC exclusives...

HaloinventedFPS

L4d 1/2, Half Life 1/2, TF2 and Portal weren't exclusive to the PC either so your point?

Just because it isn't exclusive to the PC doesn't mean the PC version won't better because all Valve games are better on the PC then consoles.

The platform that is used to produce said games is the centre of innovation?

Its like a carpenter saying that he hammer is the centre of building anything.

Just another attempt by valve to appeal to their nerdy fanbase with obvious answers

The platform that is used to produce said games is the centre of innovation?

Its like a carpenter saying that he hammer is the centre of building anything.

Just another attempt by valve to appeal to their nerdy fanbase with obvious answers

Sandvichman

and they call pc gamers elitist d-bags :lol:

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

The platform that is used to produce said games is the centre of innovation?

Its like a carpenter saying that he hammer is the centre of building anything.

Just another attempt by valve to appeal to their nerdy fanbase with obvious answers

USS_Data

and they call pc gamers elitist d-bags :lol:

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

The platform that is used to produce said games is the centre of innovation?

Its like a carpenter saying that he hammer is the centre of building anything.

Just another attempt by valve to appeal to their nerdy fanbase with obvious answers

Sandvichman

and they call pc gamers elitist d-bags :lol:

Haven't seen too much innovation in PC lately TBH...

GreenGoblin2099

Cloud Technology = Saved games, stats, settings, achievements tied to accounts.

Phasing technology for massive multiplayer worlds.

Episodic gaming.

Social casual gaming genre ala Facebook gaming.

Games with Free-to-Play models funded by microtransactions.

The rise of the Downloadable Gaming Marketplace ala Steam, Impulse, Direct2Drive, and GOG.

All recent innovations, if by recent we mean "since or a little bit before the beginning of this 'generation'".

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

The platform that is used to produce said games is the centre of innovation?

Its like a carpenter saying that he hammer is the centre of building anything.

Just another attempt by valve to appeal to their nerdy fanbase with obvious answers

Sandvichman

and they call pc gamers elitist d-bags :lol:

these developers must love having millions of copies of their games being pirated.

thanks for the article hermit the frog.

FatCatPatRat

Well, that's a given. The open development on the platform encourages this.

The only console that seems to have exemplified a remarkable amount of innovation on has been the Wii.

LOL!! The reason they started making console games (including Valve) was because they weren't selling the amount of copies they needed to make a sizable profit. Why do you think STEAM was created? lol!! Had to find an alternative way of making money. Valve is seeing growth mainly because of STEAM. Get rid of STEAM and all those MMO's with large fees and lets see how much PC gaming grows. They have DDC and Facebook gaming apps to thank really. blackace

Get rid of boxed copies and all those console games with high launch prices and see how much consoles grow.

Seriously, that's undoubtely one of the most stupid arguments to ever come out of SW.

and yet the first words out of Hermits mouths on good games are....
Star craft...counter strike...etc I keep hearing of this innovative nature...and yet whats continually played or used as high quality are the same old same old...face it hermits just like consoles the truely innovative is niche and will remain that way.

and yet the first words out of Hermits mouths on good games are....
Star craft...counter strike...etc I keep hearing of this innovative nature...and yet whats continually played or used as high quality are the same old same old...face it hermits just like consoles the truely innovative is niche and will remain that way.

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="Evolution-X0"]PC players are mostly full of elitist douches. Why would I possibly want to be apart of that community.coreybg

And you know this because you're a PC gamer, right?

nope, its pretty clear even just from SW that you are all elitist.

nope, its pretty clear even just from SW that you are all elitist.

FatCatPatRat

This made my day. Insecurity at its finest.

[QUOTE="FatCatPatRat"]

nope, its pretty clear even just from SW that you are all elitist.

N30F3N1X

This made my day. Insecurity at its finest.

But its true.

Here's a PC gamer quote earlier from this thread:

They are doing it for the quick cash because console peasants will even eat sh*t when handed over. In the meanwhile we silently get the superior versions with dedicated server, free DLC, Mods. And developers who jump ship are **** anyway so you can keep'em.Fusiondonut

mmmmmmmm

[QUOTE="coreybg"]

PC players are mostly full of elitist douches. Why would I possibly want to be apart of that community.Evolution-X0

And you know this because you're a PC gamer, right?

nope, its pretty clear even just from SW that you are all elitist.

@FatCatPatRat

First you said ALL, now you make ONE example. Spot the inconsistency?

Where else are they going to make the games?;)

the PC sticks to its basic genres. calling it the center of innovation is a laugh (though calling anything the center of innovation is a laugh). and those are PC-centric developers-The-G-Man-

Yes, because Penumbra, Amnesia, Natural Selection 1/2, Stalker, Witcher are basic genre's. :roll:

and yet the first words out of Hermits mouths on good games are....
Star craft...counter strike...etc I keep hearing of this innovative nature...and yet whats continually played or used as high quality are the same old same old...face it hermits just like consoles the truely innovative is niche and will remain that way.

WilliamRLBaker

Read the games I just listed.

the PC sticks to its basic genres. calling it the center of innovation is a laugh (though calling anything the center of innovation is a laugh). and those are PC-centric developers-The-G-Man-

[QUOTE="FatCatPatRat"]

these developers must love having millions of copies of their games being pirated.

thanks for the article hermit the frog.

blackace

Correct me if im wrong

but im pretty sure 360/PS3 are just trying to emulate the PC, thats what they are, dumbed down PC's, only Nintendo still seems intrested in making a gaming console instead of making a multi-media machine that can also play games

well too be fair, PS3 is now an open platform, so i cant really call it a dumbed down PC

[QUOTE="coreybg"]

[QUOTE="Evolution-X0"]PC players are mostly full of elitist douches. Why would I possibly want to be apart of that community.FatCatPatRat

And you know this because you're a PC gamer, right?

nope, its pretty clear even just from SW that you are all elitist.

Well..duh. PC always was the most innovative platform and alwaysw will be. It's pretty obvious and I don't see to make a thread about such simple fact :)

[QUOTE="FatCatPatRat"]

[QUOTE="lordreaven"] Oh, you have the numbers to prove this right? Since console Piracy is untrackable (why DL a game when I go to a mall in Toronto and buy 10 360 games for $5 and mod a console for another $30?). your points are invalid as Piracy isn't that rampent. If it where GOG, Gamers Gate, and Steam would be on their death beds.

EDIT: And nice link, just a reminder EA takes most of the money when they publish a game, so They made money, but not the devs. Crytek is full of it in that article.

lordreaven

i dont need numbers. We all know piracy is bigger on the PC and we all know its so much easier to pirate on the PC. When I was in high school all the kids were playing Halo CE in the computer lab with cracked illegal copies.

But if you do want numbers, it was not but two weeks ago when IGN posted this article

PC Game Downloads in 2010
1. Call of Duty: Black Ops (4,270,000) (Nov. 2010)
2. Battlefield: Bad Company 2 (3,960,000) (Mar. 2010)
3. Mafia 2 (3,550,000) (Aug. 2010)
4. Mass Effect 2 (3,240,000) (Jan. 2010)
5. Starcraft II (3,120,000) (Jul. 2010)

Wii Game Downloads in 2010
1. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (1,470,000) (May. 2010)
2. Wii Party (1,220,000) (Oct. 2010)
3. Donkey Kong Country Returns (920,000) (Nov. 2010)
4. Kirbys Epic Yarn (880,000) (Oct. 2010)
5. Red Steel 2 (850,000) (Mar. 2010)

Xbox 360 Game Downloads in 2010
1. Dante's Inferno (1,280,000) (Feb. 2010)
2. Alan Wake (1,140,000) (May. 2010)
3. Red Dead Redemption (1.060,000) (May. 2010)
4. Halo Reach (990,000) (Sept. 2010)
5. Call of Duty: Black Ops (930,000) (Nov. 2010)

I'm no mathematician, but I know when a platform has higher numbers of piracy 8)

Oh right, pirated copies prove that pc isnt the centre of innovation..