Valve: PC is centre of innovation

Topic made about innovation in gaming? Spend the thread debating piracy rates. :(ferret-gamer

[QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"]It's funny...the most innovative thing Valve has done this generation was Portal - and even that was mostly conceptualized by a group of college students that Valve bought out. If Valve wants to talk as an authority on innovation, why don't they actually do something innovative?jalexbrown

I'm saying in comparison to the past few years. Portal 2 is one game. They had Half Life 2 with Counter Strike and Day of Defeat Source. Then the HL Episodes and Team fortress 2 and Portal. Then the Left 4 Dead series. They have been working hard for quite some time. Don't forget getting Steam up and running.

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"] Companies have down times. I think Valve has earned the right to have a break.DudeNtheRoom

I'm saying in comparison to the past few years. Portal 2 is one game. They had Half Life 2 with Counter Strike and Day of Defeat Source. Then the HL Episodes and Team fortress 2 and Portal. Then the Left 4 Dead series. They have been working hard for quite some time. Don't forget getting Steam up and running.

[QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] They're not taking a break; they're making Portal 2. :| I'm sure they have something else on the side that we don't know about yet, but I have my doubts that it will be all that innovative. It'll probably be another sequel to something that will do almost nothing to push the bar (a la Left 4 Dead 2).jalexbrown

I'm saying in comparison to the past few years. Portal 2 is one game. They had Half Life 2 with Counter Strike and Day of Defeat Source. Then the HL Episodes and Team fortress 2 and Portal. Then the Left 4 Dead series. They have been working hard for quite some time. Don't forget getting Steam up and running.

I think for a game development company that keeps making really good games and then makes a software distribution program is pretty innovative. It's not like Sony was going leaps and bounds.They just got online gaming if you don't count the FF online PS2greediness.Valve may not have taken the most innovative route, but they certainlystepped out of their boundries.

On the topic of innovation, not piracy as this thread seems to be going, the PC has this:

Epic decided to basically give the entire Unreal 3 engine away for free to indies and everyone. One of the very best AAA level engines was put in the hands of indie and modding communties, free for non-commercial games and a liscencing for commercial that basically even the poorest dev team could afford.

This has put the indie development scene on a whole new front because they get a mighty world clas.s engine without restrictions like modding tools needing a certain game bought.

It's funny...the most innovative thing Valve has done this generation was Portal - and even that was mostly conceptualized by a group of college students that Valve bought out. If Valve wants to talk as an authority on innovation, why don't they actually do something innovative?jalexbrown

That is exactly why pc is the centre of innovation. Because everyone can change and create games. A big part of new developers come from the huge base of pc modding community. Is the centre of innovation because even one person can create a game out of an idea, Minecraft for example.

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[QUOTE="Fusiondonut"] No not all but these things combined made this gen possible. So be thankfull for that or else you'd still be playin NES games.Fusiondonut

So I'm right, haven't seen any innovation in PC lately... neither have you.

Haven't seen too much innovation in PC lately TBH...

GreenGoblin2099

Don't look at big-budget titles, look at mods and indie games

It's funny...the most innovative thing Valve has done this generation was Portal - and even that was mostly conceptualized by a group of college students that Valve bought out. If Valve wants to talk as an authority on innovation, why don't they actually do something innovative?jalexbrown

[QUOTE="Fusiondonut"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

Haven't seen too much innovation in PC lately TBH...

GreenGoblin2099

And all that came out THIS gen?? learn to read.

Minecraft.

[QUOTE="Fusiondonut"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

And all that came out THIS gen?? learn to read.

GreenGoblin2099

So I'm right, haven't seen any innovation in PC lately... neither have you.

someone didnt read what Gabe said:

"We see [the PC] as the centre of innovation of everything that's going on, whether it's microtransactions, MMOs, free-to-play, or something like CityVille which – after its first month – has 84 million people playing,".

someone didnt read what Gabe said:

"We see [the PC] as the centre of innovation of everything that's going on, whether it's microtransactions, MMOs, free-to-play, or something like CityVille which – after its first month – has 84 million people playing,".

devious742

[QUOTE="devious742"]

someone didnt read what Gabe said:

"We see [the PC] as the centre of innovation of everything that's going on, whether it's microtransactions, MMOs, free-to-play, or something like CityVille which – after its first month – has 84 million people playing,".

lowe0

too bad valve has turned into a crappy company.

Where the hell is half life 3 and a new engine?

goodtobeback

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="devious742"]

someone didnt read what Gabe said:

"We see [the PC] as the centre of innovation of everything that's going on, whether it's microtransactions, MMOs, free-to-play, or something like CityVille which – after its first month – has 84 million people playing,".

these developers must love having millions of copies of their games being pirated.

thanks for the article hermit the frog.

Too bad nothing innovative has come to PC latelyThe_RedLion

• built in HDDs
• downloadable games via marketplace/psn store
• online gaming
• 3D gaming

It seems that consoles are just following the PC

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]Too bad nothing innovative has come to PC latelydevious742

Too bad nothing innovative has come to PC latelyThe_RedLion

[QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]Too bad nothing innovative has come to PC latelyThe_RedLion

[QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]Too bad nothing innovative has come to PC latelyThe_RedLion

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="devious742"] what is it with this excuse? are we just counting innovation that happened in the last 2 weeks or something:lol:

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="devious742"] what is it with this excuse? are we just counting innovation that happened in the last 2 weeks or something:lol:

Fusiondonut

[QUOTE="Fusiondonut"][QUOTE="The_RedLion"] More like this genThe_RedLion

[QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"] More like this genThe_RedLion

with the current 3D tech;)

Sorry to ask but what is a gen? Im a PC gamer so just asking. Is it a console term?Fusiondonut

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="devious742"] what about cloud gaming and 3D gaming

with the current 3D tech;)

[QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"] 3D gaming is not innovative, the virtual boy tried it a decade ago cloud gaming i suppose, if it worked, but it doesn'tThe_RedLion

with the current 3D tech;)

PlayStation Celebrates 15 Years of Innovation and Leadership

Since 1995, PlayStation's loyal fans, retailers and partners have helped the company to revolutionize the video game industry, moving the industry from traditional cartridge-based gaming to disc-based solutions, introducing gamers to in-depth, high-resolution and real time 3D computer graphics, and in later years to technical innovations like Blu-ray and stereoscopic 3D entertainment for the home. In celebration of this milestone, PlayStation looks back at the company's rich heritage, the developments in video gaming, portable and home entertainment and the consumer experience ahead.

With new technologies like stereoscopic 3D games and the PlayStation Move motion controller's impending launch, the company remains poised to forge new territories in consumer entertainment.

these developers must love having millions of copies of their games being pirated.

thanks for the article hermit the frog.

FatCatPatRat

Piracy and used game sales affects consoles much, much more than just simply pirating on the PC.

[QUOTE="Fusiondonut"][QUOTE="The_RedLion"] Yes, this gen started q4 2005 when the xbox 360 was released

The_RedLion

[QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"] 3D gaming is not innovative, the virtual boy tried it a decade ago cloud gaming i suppose, if it worked, but it doesn'tThe_RedLion

with the current 3D tech;)

Innovation in the implementation. Going by your standard, NOTHING is innovative. Which console are you trying to protect, consolite?

Right:roll: thats why we have Sony saying things like

PlayStation Celebrates 15 Years of Innovation and Leadership

Since 1995, PlayStation's loyal fans, retailers and partners have helped the company to revolutionize the video game industry, moving the industry from traditional cartridge-based gaming to disc-based solutions, introducing gamers to in-depth, high-resolution and real time 3D computer graphics, and in later years to technical innovations like Blu-ray and stereoscopic 3D entertainment for the home. In celebration of this milestone, PlayStation looks back at the company's rich heritage, the developments in video gaming, portable and home entertainment and the consumer experience ahead.

With new technologies like stereoscopic 3D games and the PlayStation Move motion controller's impending launch, the company remains poised to forge new territories in consumer entertainment.

devious742

What's that bunch of PR talk supposed to prove? PR talk uses words like "innovative" "original" "refreshing" etc all the time, butit means nothing

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="devious742"] please dont compare this

with the current 3D tech;)

Innovation in the implementation. Going by your standard, NOTHING is innovative. Which console are you trying to protect, consolite?

[QUOTE="devious742"]Right:roll: thats why we have Sony saying things like

PlayStation Celebrates 15 Years of Innovation and Leadership

Since 1995, PlayStation's loyal fans, retailers and partners have helped the company to revolutionize the video game industry, moving the industry from traditional cartridge-based gaming to disc-based solutions, introducing gamers to in-depth, high-resolution and real time 3D computer graphics, and in later years to technical innovations like Blu-ray and stereoscopic 3D entertainment for the home. In celebration of this milestone, PlayStation looks back at the company's rich heritage, the developments in video gaming, portable and home entertainment and the consumer experience ahead.

With new technologies like stereoscopic 3D games and the PlayStation Move motion controller's impending launch, the company remains poised to forge new territories in consumer entertainment.

The_RedLion

What's that bunch of PR talk supposed to prove? PR talk uses words like "innovative" "original" "refreshing" etc all the time, butit means nothing

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="Fusiondonut"] I knew what it was, just being sarcastic. I mean, the whole generation thingy doesn't affect the PC because it has no generations so innovations can come and go with a steady flow. It's nog 'gen' bounded.devious742

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

[QUOTE="devious742"]Right:roll: thats why we have Sony saying things like

PlayStation Celebrates 15 Years of Innovation and Leadership

Since 1995, PlayStation's loyal fans, retailers and partners have helped the company to revolutionize the video game industry, moving the industry from traditional cartridge-based gaming to disc-based solutions, introducing gamers to in-depth, high-resolution and real time 3D computer graphics, and in later years to technical innovations like Blu-ray and stereoscopic 3D entertainment for the home. In celebration of this milestone, PlayStation looks back at the company's rich heritage, the developments in video gaming, portable and home entertainment and the consumer experience ahead.

With new technologies like stereoscopic 3D games and the PlayStation Move motion controller's impending launch, the company remains poised to forge new territories in consumer entertainment.

What's that bunch of PR talk supposed to prove? PR talk uses words like "innovative" "original" "refreshing" etc all the time, butit means nothing

[QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"]

What's that bunch of PR talk supposed to prove? PR talk uses words like "innovative" "original" "refreshing" etc all the time, butit means nothing

The_RedLion

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="devious742"]that the console/gaming industry considers tech like stereoscopic gaming as innovative..while you do not

That doesn't change there hasn't been anything innovative on the PC thsd gen, ot last four years, if you like it more. How you name it is irrelevant

[QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"] PR talk = the industry?The_RedLion

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="devious742"] Current gaming industry players like sony> you

[QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"] Me > PR talk :)The_RedLion

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="devious742"] Then I guess its PR talk when Nintendo says that Motion gaming is innovative:D

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="devious742"] Then I guess its PR talk when Nintendo says that Motion gaming is innovative:D

devious742

Super Mario Galaxy innovated the 3d platformer genre. thats about all i can think of though.

[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="FatCatPatRat"]

these developers must love having millions of copies of their games being pirated.

thanks for the article hermit the frog.

FatCatPatRat

piracy is more prevalent on the PC. you know this. i know this.

even the almight Crytek knows this

Nintendo>all

[QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] They're not taking a break; they're making Portal 2. :| I'm sure they have something else on the side that we don't know about yet, but I have my doubts that it will be all that innovative. It'll probably be another sequel to something that will do almost nothing to push the bar (a la Left 4 Dead 2).jalexbrown

I'm saying in comparison to the past few years. Portal 2 is one game. They had Half Life 2 with Counter Strike and Day of Defeat Source. Then the HL Episodes and Team fortress 2 and Portal. Then the Left 4 Dead series. They have been working hard for quite some time. Don't forget getting Steam up and running.

Yes. Motion tech is not new to this genThe_RedLion

Innovation

Do you understand how dumb that statement is now?